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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
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Higgs
Footballguy
I don't think the old rules are going to apply to this election. I really don't. I could easily see a Trump winning a lot of Northern states that used to go Democrat, and at the same time could see Hillary winning some Southern states that used to go Republican. This is a completely different game today. It's like trying to handicap a pro football game and bringing up a a head to head matchup from 10 years ago when there wasn't one player from either team on the roster back then.
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Footballguy
The Loyalty Pledge only says "I will endorse the nominee", not "I will endorse the presumptive nominee". Trump isn't the nominee yet.
If Bush and Graham bash Donald through July 18, then stay silent through November 7, then endorse Donald on November 8, then they would have fulfilled their obligations under the Loyalty Pledge.
Higgs
Footballguy
screw him. The voters have spoken. You're the Chairman of the Convention. Support the candidate the voters have chosen or be cast aside by those voters. pretty simple.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Same old rules, Perot, Wallace, Thurmond, killed one of the two main parties' chances at the top of the ticket and down ticket, what's changed except that this time it's an actual party label behind the name.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Dexter
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Paul Ryan seems to me like an honest dude. He ran for office pledged to conservative principles of government that he firmly believes in. Now he is being asked to abandon those principles.
He can, and should refuse to do so. It does not matter that "the voters have spoken" as you claim. We don't live in a direct democracy. The Founding Fathers gave us representatives serving terms of office because they wanted our leaders to make more informed decisions than the general public acting on a whim. It was the danger of populism and a Donald Trump that they were trying to prevent.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/07/paul-ryan-aide-disputes-donald-trump-claim-that-ryan-called-him-after-new-york-primary/?_r=0
- Also lied about reaching out to Rubio.
Ok not a criticism here because this is what he's doing (even though it's dumb as all get out) but why lie?
[scooter]
Footballguy
Yes, it is indeed pathetic that Donald and his supporters don't understand what the pledge actually says.
TripItUp
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
No he's not.
The same rhetoric was used when Reagan started making a splash. He's moving to the middle, deal with it.
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Dexter
Footballguy
Can you go do some more crappy research on how many delegates Donald will get? Also please throw some more asterisks around. Donald will keep winning all the way to the white house.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
called <> spoke to
Keep trying saints, you're convincing nobody.
GOP primary in NY was in mid April, so actually yeah Trump's flat out lying.
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SaintsInDome2006
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When did Reagan do a spin around rejection of his own tax plan and promise to raise the minimum wage?
What's the point of supporting Trump when you're just grabbing on to thin air, support what?
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TripItUp
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SaintsInDome2006
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He's anti-abortion and somewhere to the right of Phyllis Schafley. Whoops, no he's not, he likes the law the way it is. Nm.
You'll be getting a flat tax and encouraging small business. Nope, nm.
Totally against raising the minimum wage. Actually wait he's for raising it. Nm.
Wants to rip down Obamacare. Wants to provide universal coverage. Nm.
If you're a GOP candidate how are you supporting the guy who stands against every rung in your candidacy except immigration, and even if he does support what you support he might just change his mind if asked the right/wrong way?
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TripItUp
Footballguy
Because you're betting that he'll be right of Hillary, which is the only measurement that matters.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Here's the really beautiful thing if you're a run of the mill GOP Congressman.
Your opponent can likely show Trump saying something on either side of every issue, then juxtapose your face with it. Awesome. The voters who support the conservative position can stay home, the people who support the moderate/liberal position can just vote for the actual Democrat.
Your opponent can likely show Trump saying something on either side of every issue, then juxtapose your face with it. Awesome. The voters who support the conservative position can stay home, the people who support the moderate/liberal position can just vote for the actual Democrat.
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SaintsInDome2006
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On what? Immigration? He's even said that's negotiable, but what else?
Jesus even Hillary's against universal coverage.
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timschochet
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And that would be wrong.
Hillary is a traditional American Democrat, which since 1933, means that she believes that government should aid capitalism but not fight it, and that good government should involve itself in trying to help social ills. She is also a believer in the Henry Luce theory of the "American century", which since 1945 means that America is the preeminent country in the world and is fundamentally committed to liberty around the globe, to the freedom of people's and trade, and opposition to dictatorships, human want, and terror.
Donald Trump is neither to the right nor the left of Hillary. He is neither liberal nor conservative. His only stable views are for authoritarianism and isolationism. All of his other positions are "fluid".
TripItUp
Footballguy
You don't need me to regurgitate all of his stances.
Has he ben muddying the waters to move to the middle?? Is he left of Hillary on topics like trade and aspects of foreign policy? Of course, deal with it.
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SaintsInDome2006
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SaintsInDome2006
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He's a nationalist folks. Nationalists from Chavez to that bad guy who we shall not name had left of center views.
Trump has said he will "stop" companies from leaving the country. That folks is far - far - to the left of Sanders, that is Chavezism right there, no exaggeration, presuming you think he means it.
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TripItUp
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And I don't think Trump supporters care either way. What has been "conservative" over the last 20 years has failed them. What has been "liberal" has failed them as well.
The paradigm is shifting. The people's support is empowering Trump to change the Republican party. I don't understand why this is so difficult to comprehend.
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SaintsInDome2006
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He's not?
- Actually on a serious note if you want raised minimum wage, universal health care, higher taxes, and Dem Senate and maybe House, and you don't give a damn about ethics or foreign policy you might as well go Hillary.
SaintsInDome2006
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TripItUp
Footballguy
How can you say that definitively when you've just claimed that his positions aren't concrete?
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timschochet
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It isn't. What YOU don't seem to understand is that Trump supporters are a minority of the public, and that this will be proven in November. Yes the paradigm has shifted for you and other Republican voters who chose this guy as your standard bearer, but in the bigger scheme of things you are going to be shown to be irrelevant. So enjoy the next few months, Cinderella, because midnight is approaching.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Being that it's Mother's Day, it's a great reminder that women have a role in raising the children, cooking and cleaning. They should not be in politics or announcing sporting events.
Happy Mother's Day!
Happy Mother's Day!
TripItUp
Footballguy
This is a dumb statement Tim, every candidate doesn't have a majority of the public support right now.
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TripItUp
Footballguy
Even if Trump doesn't win, his supporters have forced a paradigm shift. They have brought to life several issues that have previously not been appropriately addressed by either side. Issues like
1) the notion that we should not be the world police without proper backing
2) free trade agreements have hurt middle class jobs
3) the delegate system is corrupt and needs to be overhauled
4) superpacs are bad
5) we have serious immigration issues
6) The Repubican party was socially too far right for the evolving demographics
And there are more...
There are a number of wins here that will have lasting impact on American politics. You'd be a fool to believe otherwise.
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cstu
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cstu
Footballguy
You honestly think the Republican Party is going to be more like the Democrats after this?
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Footballguy
Of course he isn't, you all are not interested in facts.called <> spoke to
Keep trying saints, you're convincing nobody.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So what is he going to be the Army president, Left-Right, Left-Right, Left-Right?
Or is it just going to be Right->Left and he's going to go in a circle for 4 years?
Higgs
Footballguy
Bull####. I've had to pinch my nose several times over the years getting on board with the Republican nominee. It's their turn. That's what it means to be in a political party. You rally around the nominee, even if you disagree with him on some issues.
The voters have spoken. Trump is the Republican nominee. Get on board or find another party. Spoiled ####### brats, all of them.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Because the paradigm shift is being engineered by someone suffering from mental ######ation.
[scooter]
Footballguy
You actually bring up some good points. But many of these points align with the Democratic party. So, instead of the Republicans shifting to the left, you will just see Republicans defecting to the Democratic party, just as Southern Democrats did when they defected to the Republican party in 1948.
As of 2015, this country was 48% Democrat (or lean-Democrat) and 39% is Republican (or lean-Republican). Even if just 5% of current Republicans defect to the left, it will be devastating not only to the Republican party, but to conservative ideology in general.
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TripItUp
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GoBirds
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Higgs
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SameSongNDance
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So pointing out issues that Trump has co-opted from several different political ideologies equates to a "good post" around here. 
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