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Dignan_ said:
So if Obama was involved in a lawsuit and the judge was part of the KKK Lawyers Association nobody would raise an eyebrow? 
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Not nearly the same thing. The KKK is a hate group targeting Obama's race.

Trump and judge Curiel advocate for opposing sides on an issue totally unrelated to the Trump lawsuit. 

 
Funny thing about Trump and Pierson insinuating that the judge is Mexican. Why should that matter? He loves Hispanics!

Then there's this beauty from Pierson: "This is an organization that has been out there organizing anti-Trump protesters with the Mexican flags," Pierson said (apparently confusing the La Raza Lawyers Association with the National Council on La Raza, which is a different group). "And so Mr. Trump is just stating the obvious." http://www.vox.com/2016/5/31/11818964/trump-judge-university-mexican

Within that link are other links like Trump’s recent public excoriation of the judge handling the “TrumpU” lawsuit is truly appalling and, given that this guy could become president, terrifying.

 
Dignan_ said:
I saw 6 women and 4 brown people in that video, there is no way those are Trump supporters. 
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I also saw some Asians, young and old people and a blond with a huge rack. But I heard only racist bigot cis white male scum support trump?

 
The more I see of this Trump presser the more I laugh. There is no way this guy could handle a real crisis or scandal. He is incapable of taking criticism he freaks out.

Still love that he says he wanted no credit for raising the money. Think he had Tshirts made :lol:

 
The General said:
Just saw some of his press conference today. :lol:  at Trump saying he wanted no credit for raising money and getting all pissy with the press.

He literally said "I raised" this money over and over again for weeks.
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Best part is that the half the groups said that they did not get the money until last week, after the Washington Post report (including the $1 million from him).  Press did its job of holding him accountable and he gets all offended.

 
Don Quixote said:
Best part is that the half the groups said that they did not get the money until last week, after the Washington Post report (including the $1 million from him).  Press did its job of holding him accountable and he gets all offended.
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Very sleazy of them to do that. Very sleazy.

 
Don Quixote said:
Best part is that the half the groups said that they did not get the money until last week, after the Washington Post report (including the $1 million from him).  Press did its job of holding him accountable and he gets all offended.
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So they got the free money that Trump raised.....What they should be saying is Thank You and then shut the f**k up.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
So they got the free money that Trump raised.....What they should be saying is Thank You and then shut the f**k up.
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It is annoying that trump was blowing himself for this for weeks but yesterday he claimed he didn't even want credit. Also messed up that it kind of looks like they wouldn't have gotten what he was saying without the press hounding him - which he of course then got butthurt about. I thought a conservative principle is being held accountable.

The thought of this guy in an actual crisis with things that matter is no bueno.

 
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NorvilleBarnes said:
:confused:  That has nothing to do with what I posted.

I'm talking about the Judge and his work for La Raza. Trump's position on illegal immigration is very well known. If the judge is working with La Raza to award scholarships to illegal immigrants he's probably the worst choice to be ruling in a case involving Trump. There's at least the appearance of bias.
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Lol. That's not how judicial bias works. At all. 

 
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The 'Curiel is a secret Mexican' theme is to me disturbing. I haven't spoken up on the racism thing much because to me constitutional issues and our foreign policy commitments are even more important and often overlooked in Trump's candidacy but hey it's a deck of cards, pick one as to what bothers you most, we can deal from anywhere in the deck. I guess I'm surprised this has legs past 24 hours.

- La Raza Lawyers Association is not La Raza. It's just another lawyers group, black lawyers, Federalist Society, etc. Heck it's even less ideological than the Federalist Society if I'm not mistaken, you just need to be Hispanic and then you can be Alberto Gonzales or Miguel Estrada.

- If I'm not mistaken it's in CA. Curiel is from IN.

- Is he even still a member of it, sounds like he 'was' a member, as in past tense?

- The disturbing things: Trump shows a willingness or desire to "investigate" judges, he does not appear to believe in judicial independence. - And the idea that this judge's ethnicity (whatever it is, and I have no idea, he could just as well have family history that is Italian or Spanish or Portuguese or Brazilian for all I know) somehow affects his ideology, his impartiality, and his fitness, and then his quality as an American, is really right out of McCarthyism.

- Finally forgetting all that, it is so abundantly stupid for a party to a lawsuit to insult a judge publicly, it's hard to imagine something this egregious. No it does not merit recusal, and I'm typically thinking of every way a judge or politician should remove themselves from appearance of impropriety. A party cannot create a controversy out of whole cloth and then claim the judge is biased because of all the crazy attacks the party has leveled against the judge. It's obvious how such a practice would be abused.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
And the idea that this judge's ethnicity (whatever it is, and I have no idea, he could just as well have family history that is Italian or Spanish or Portuguese or Brazilian for all I know) somehow affects his ideology, his impartiality, and his fitness, and then his quality as an American, is really right out of McCarthyism.
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WASHINGTON — In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion — often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Courtcolleague, Sandra Day O’Connor — that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees.

New York Times, May 2009

 
Ditka Butkus said:
So they got the free money that Trump raised.....What they should be saying is Thank You and then shut the f**k up.
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How dare those vets voice their concerns.

They should be thankful to be his political pawn to score points.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
- Finally forgetting all that, it is so abundantly stupid for a party to a lawsuit top insult a judge publicly, it's hard to imagine something this egregious. No it does not merit recusal, and I'm typically thinking of every way a judge or politician should remove themselves from appearance of impropriety. A party cannot create a controversy out of whole cloth and then claim the judge is biased because of all the crazy attacks the party has leveled against the judge. It's obvious how such a practice would be abused.
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It's brilliant, when/if Trump loses the case he already floated the idea the judge was out to get him so it won't seem like sour grapes saying it after the fact.  

 
Gary Coal Man said:
WASHINGTON — In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion — often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Courtcolleague, Sandra Day O’Connor — that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees.

New York Times, May 2009
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- Great, I think that's inappropriate. I happen to think a lot of racial thinking in the legal and political world is inappropriate. However belonging to hispanic legal associations, or black legal associations are not necessarily ideological. You're making a leap here. And then you further have to make a leap from ideological to political, then to being unable to reasonably adjudicate a civil fraud case. You're talking about delegitimizing someone as a public official, as a person, because of their ethnic background.

I can see a thousand different ways this kind of thinking by Trump could ruin our legal system.

 
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Yes, brilliant for a presidential candidate to insult a judge and then make excuses when he loses a case like this for screwing people out of money.

 
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sho nuff said:
How dare those vets voice their concerns.

They should be thankful to be his political pawn to score points.
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What concerns...that they didn't think they were getting the free money (that they were never going to get until Trump held a fundraiser) in a timely manner?

 
Ditka Butkus said:
What concerns...that they didn't think they were getting the free money (that they were never going to get until Trump held a fundraiser) in a timely manner?
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They didn't think they were getting what the republicand candidate for president promised them for using them to duck a debate.

Its fine to complain about posters Jere criticizing him...but wtf, criticizing the vets who he promised the money to because they spoke up?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The 'Curiel is a secret Mexican' theme is to me disturbing. I haven't spoken up on the racism thing much because to me constitutional issues and our foreign policy commitments are even more important and often overlooked in Trump's candidacy but hey it's a deck of cards, pick one as to what bothers you most, we can deal from anywhere in the deck. I guess I'm surprised this has legs past 24 hours.

- La Raza Lawyers Association is not La Raza. It's just another lawyers group, black lawyers, Federalist Society, etc. Heck it's even less ideological than the Federalist Society if I'm not mistaken, you just need to be Hispanic and then you can be Alberto Gonzales or Miguel Estrada.

- If I'm not mistaken it's in CA. Curiel is from IN.

- Is he even still a member of it, sounds like he 'was' a member, as in past tense?

- The disturbing things: Trump shows a willingness or desire to "investigate" judges, he does not appear to believe in judicial independence. - And the idea that this judge's ethnicity (whatever it is, and I have no idea, he could just as well have family history that is Italian or Spanish or Portuguese or Brazilian for all I know) somehow affects his ideology, his impartiality, and his fitness, and then his quality as an American, is really right out of McCarthyism.

- Finally forgetting all that, it is so abundantly stupid for a party to a lawsuit top insult a judge publicly, it's hard to imagine something this egregious. No it does not merit recusal, and I'm typically thinking of every way a judge or politician should remove themselves from appearance of impropriety. A party cannot create a controversy out of whole cloth and then claim the judge is biased because of all the crazy attacks the party has leveled against the judge. It's obvious how such a practice would be abused.
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I'm not sure if it was posted here already, but Volokh Conspiracy (which is a right-leaning blog) had a post the other day about how dangerous Trump's comments are to the rule of law and to the functioning of our legal system.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/29/on-donald-trump-and-the-rule-of-law/

 
Card Trader said:
It's brilliant, when/if Trump loses the case he already floated the idea the judge was out to get him so it won't seem like sour grapes saying it after the fact.  
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There are always like 5-6 different responses from Trumpites. Some defend Donald straight up, some say the reporting is a lie, etc. The 'hey its a cynical ploy' seems to be stock.

Look, I don't want someone who is cynically screwing with the system to be president. It's bad enough it's the nominee, he's cutting down the judicial system even by saying this, look at how people follow him, they defend him. So he is just making excuses for his own failures and lapses. Really horrible argument in my opinion. I don't even understand it, we need some degree of dependability or truthiness at least from our government (and we can all think of BIG lapses R & D) but when the people start thinking that the government is just screwing with us and we can't trust a word they say because they're manipulating us, and that's the rule, and we believe that about everything because that's what our Dear Leader is actually doing, well then we've entered Sovietland.

 
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Don Quixote said:
Best part is that the half the groups said that they did not get the money until last week, after the Washington Post report (including the $1 million from him).  Press did its job of holding him accountable and he gets all offended.
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I agree that is the best part, he was attacked and he had already paid out half the money, millions of dollars and people tried to put him down down for being too slow with the rest of it. Just truly pathetic. Hey Don you only gave out 3.2 million whats the hold up thief? What a bunch of douchebags and people wonder why the press is hated. 

 
The General said:
It is annoying that trump was blowing himself for this for weeks but yesterday he claimed he didn't even want credit. Also messed up that it kind of looks like they wouldn't have gotten what he was saying without the press hounding him - which he of course then got butthurt about. I thought a conservative principle is being held accountable.

The thought of this guy in an actual crisis with things that matter is no bueno.
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So your rational is that he paid 3.2 million and was just going to keep the rest? Ok I guess there is a one in a billion chance that the billionaire was going to commit a felony on live national television for kicks but seriously how stupid does that sound to you? 

 
Loan Sharks said:
So your rational is that he paid 3.2 million and was just going to keep the rest? Ok I guess there is a one in a billion chance that the billionaire was going to commit a felony on live national television for kicks but seriously how stupid does that sound to you? 
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You mean the billionaire that is currently being sued for ripping people off?

Yeah. One in a billion chance. lol.

 
So your rational is that he paid 3.2 million and was just going to keep the rest? Ok I guess there is a one in a billion chance that the billionaire was going to commit a felony on live national television for kicks but seriously how stupid does that sound to you?
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I never thought Trump was going to keep the money forever. I just thought he was going to lie about it to exploit veterans for as long as it was beneficial for him to do so.

Trump is like the guy who borrows money for rent and then calls you a jerk when you ask him to pay you back.

 
Loan Sharks said:
I agree that is the best part, he was attacked and he had already paid out half the money, millions of dollars and people tried to put him down down for being too slow with the rest of it. Just truly pathetic. Hey Don you only gave out 3.2 million whats the hold up thief? What a bunch of douchebags and people wonder why the press is hated. 
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He wasn't attacked for being too slow.  He was attacked for repeatedly lying that it had already been donated, when it hadn't.

 
Skoo said:
You mean the billionaire that is currently being sued for ripping people off?

Yeah. One in a billion chance. lol.
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Oh so you are equating people suing over the quality of a service civilly with committing a felony. By your insane rationale the guy who put my windows in wrong is a felon. Yeah you got It!

 
sho nuff said:
They didn't think they were getting what the republicand candidate for president promised them for using them to duck a debate.

Its fine to complain about posters Jere criticizing him...but wtf, criticizing the vets who he promised the money to because they spoke up?
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He promised veterans...I don't recall him promising specific groups of veterans (I may be wrong)....If that is the case most probably didn't even know they were getting a donation until the donation was made to that specific group...By the way I'll criticize any group if they are acting like  ingrates.

 
Don Quixote said:
He wasn't attacked for being too slow.  He was attacked for repeatedly lying that it had already been donated, when it hadn't.
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So again they were accusing him of felony grand larceny because he had only dispensed 3.2 million to date. Got it. Totally reasonable. 

 
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Loan Sharks said:
So again they were accusing him of felony grand larceny because he had only dispensed 3.2 million to date. Got it. Totally reasonable. 
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When I run a local golf tournament it can take weeks to collect all of the pledged donations...These clowns expect $5.6 million in pledged donations to be collected and distributed to 42 different groups virtually overnight -(when you are talking about that sum of money)

 
Interesting that the PGA is pulling out of Trump's Doral (Miami) course, after not being able to find a sponsor to replace Cadillac. Sponsors are wary of the Trump and his rhetoric.. So, that tournament is moving to Mexico. Ironic. If he doesn't become president, his brand and his ego will suffer.  

 
SoBeDad said:
Interesting that the PGA is pulling out of Trump's Doral (Miami) course, after not being able to find a sponsor to replace Cadillac. Sponsors are wary of the Trump and his rhetoric.. So, that tournament is moving to Mexico. Ironic. If he doesn't become president, his brand and his ego will suffer.  
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Wow, bad call by cadillac. I would think that older white folks would be the key demographic for them and they spurn their customer base. 

 
Interesting that the PGA is pulling out of Trump's Doral (Miami) course, after not being able to find a sponsor to replace Cadillac. Sponsors are wary of the Trump and his rhetoric.. So, that tournament is moving to Mexico. Ironic. If he doesn't become president, his brand and his ego will suffer.
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Trump's comment was, "I hope they have kidnapping insurance!"

 
Loan Sharks said:
Wow, bad call by cadillac. I would think that older white folks would be the key demographic for them and they spurn their customer base. 
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Yeah, I doubt a company like Cadillac has employees whose entire job it is to figure these things out...

They know exactly what they're doing.

 
Loan Sharks said:
:lmao:  ### #### it! How can you not like Trump? 
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The funny thing is in November you guys will be flabbergasted that Trump lost because the only people that voted for him are white males.

You do realize he's running for President and not radio talk show host, yes?

Presidents don't talk like that.

 
Skoo said:
The funny thing is in November you guys will be flabbergasted that Trump lost because the only people that voted for him are white males.

You do realize he's running for President and not radio talk show host, yes?

Presidents don't talk like that.
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Have you heard Obama?

 
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