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Trump Takes Aim at the Independent Judiciary


The Republican candidate isn’t directly attacking democracy—but he’s targeting the institutions that sustain it.

Commentators often call Donald Trump a threat to American democracy. That’s not quite right. Trump is a threat to the institutions that keep American democracy liberal. It’s unlikely that Trump would strip Americans of the right to elect their leaders. It’s more likely that he’d undermine those institutions that restrain the power of the leaders Americans elect. He’d undermine the institutions that limit presidential power and safeguard individual rights and equality under the law.


One such institution is the press. In recent weeks, Trump has called for investigating Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos—who he claims has been “getting away with murder, tax-wise” and has a “huge antitrust problem”—because of the Post’s critical coverage of his campaign. Trump’s close ally, Roger Stone, has said that, “when Donald Trump is president, he should turn off” CNN’s “FCC license.” Trump has repeatedly called the journalists who cover him “scum” and barred news organizations that cover him critically from attending his public events.

Now he’s going after the judiciary. In San Diego over the weekend, Trump publicly attacked Gonzalo Curiel, the judge who is hearing the lawsuit against Trump University. After first noting that Curiel “happens to be Mexican” (he was actually born in Indiana to Mexican immigrant parents), Trump declared that, “It is a disgrace. It is a rigged system … This court system, the judges in this court system, federal court. They ought to look into Judge Curiel because what Judge Curiel is doing is a total disgrace.”

To understand how extraordinary Trump’s attack on Curiel is, it’s worth remembering what happened when Barack Obama, in his 2010 State of the Union address, criticized the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Citizens United case. As the justices looked on, Obama declared that, “With all due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests—including foreign corporations—to spend without limit in our elections.” Rush Limbaugh said Obama’s comments reflected a “profound disrespect for the separation of powers” and “a thugocracy style” befitting a “banana republic.” Chief Justice John Roberts himself called Obama’s remarks “very troubling.”

But Obama didn’t attack the justices’ integrity. And he didn’t suggest they be punished. Trump, by contrast, called Curiel a “disgrace,” who is presiding over a “rigged system.” And he suggested that, “they ought to look into Judge Curiel.”

It’s easy to imagine what will happen to Curiel now. Like the journalists Trump has publicly slammed, he’ll receive an avalanche of personal, bigoted abuse from Trump’s supporters, including, quite possibly, death threats. This may, in and of itself, give future judges second thoughts about incurring The Donald’s wrath.

Were Trump president, he’d have other methods of intimidation at his disposal. Instead of merely suggesting that, “they ought to look into Judge Curiel,” he could order his Justice Department to do it. To be sure, Democrats, liberal journalists, and principled conservatives would howl. But given the partisan consolidation around Trump since he locked up the nomination, it’s likely that many Republicans would look the other way, or suggest that what Obama did was worse. Already, pro-Trump Republicans like the CNN commentator Jeffrey Lord are echoing Trump’s attack, calling the Trump university trial “rigged,” and suggesting that Curiel, because he received a reward from a Latino lawyers’ group, has a “serious ethnic axe to grind.”

Contrary to Trump’s assertion, America’s federal “court system,” although hardly perfect, is not “rigged.” If litigants feel they are treated unfairly, they can appeal. And the judiciary system is certainly not rigged against white billionaires by Latinos “with an ethnic axe to grind.”

But the more Americans think the courts are rigged, the stronger Trump’s position. The more he convinces his supporters that judges, like reporters, are corrupt and self-interested, the less public legitimacy they enjoy. And the less public legitimacy they enjoy, the less they can check Trump’s power.

On the right, the most common justification for supporting Trump is that he’ll appoint conservatives to the Supreme Court. That’s naïve. On issues like abortion, gun control, and gay rights, Trump has been wildly inconsistent. Where he’s been more consistent is in his willingness to denigrate anyone who gets in his way. He’s less likely to the challenge federal judiciary’s progressivism than to challenge its independence. Gonzalo Curiel may be the first judge he’s threatened on his way to the White House. But he’s unlikely to be the last.
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Trump yesterday:

"When you send checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars to people and to companies and to groups that you’ve never heard of, charitable organizations, you have to vet it. You send people out. You do a lot of work."

Trump January 28, 2016:

"The night benefited twenty-two different organizations, a number of which are Iowa based Veterans groups. Mr. Trump has been a major supporter of Veterans organizations throughout his life and has made strengthening our military, reforming the VA and taking care of our great Veterans cornerstones of his campaign."

 
I don't know who is going to win this thing.  I am still holding on to a fleeting hope that Sanders can pull off a miracle with the Democrats, but it is unlikely.

One thing Trump has going for him is Hillary.  He can throw mud at her like a monkey flinging poo and enough will stick to make this race closer than it should be.  He has a punchers chance and that is really not a good thing.

God help us all.

 
Trump Has a Conflict-of-Interest Problem No Other White House Candidate Ever Had



He owes at least $100 million to a foreign bank that's battled with US regulators.


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What are the implications of the chief executive of the US government being in hock for $100 million (or more) to a foreign entity that has tried to evade laws aimed at curtailing risky financial shenanigans, that was recently caught manipulating markets around the world, and that attempts to influence the US government?

Trump's disclosure form lists 16 loans from 11 different lenders, totaling at least $335 million, and the aggregate amount is likely much more. Deutsche Bank is clearly his favorite lender, and Trump's financial empire has become largely dependent on his relationship with this major player on Wall Street and the global markets. The German bank has lent him at least $295 million for two of his signature projects. In 2012, Deutsche provided Trump with $125 million to help him buy Trump National Doral golf course. Last year, it handed Trump a $170 million line of credit for his new hotel project on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC.

Should Trump move into the White House, four blocks away from his under-construction hotel, he would be its first inhabitant to owe so much to any bank. And in recent years, Deutsche Bank has repeatedly clashed with US regulators. So might it be awkward—if not pose a conflict of interest—for Trump to have to deal with policy matters that could affect this financial behemoth?

Richard Painter, an attorney who teaches at the University of Minnesota and who was the chief ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007, says a situation in which a sitting president owes hundreds of millions of dollars to any entity, especially a bank that jousts with regulators, is disturbing. There have been wealthy presidents and vice presidents, Painter notes, pointing to John Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, and Nelson Rockefeller, but none were as heavily leveraged as Trump. "They had large assets and usually diversified assets. They weren't in a situation where someone could put pressure on them to do what they want," Painter remarks. "Whereas having a president who owes a lot of money to banks, particularly when it's on negotiable terms—it puts them at the mercy of the banks and the banks are at the mercy of regulators." Painter adds: "In real estate, the prevailing business model is to own a lot but also owe a lot, and that is a potentially very troublesome business model for someone in public office."

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/trump-german-loan-deutsche-bank

 
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Many times.

Were you gonna post a link or a quote that shows him talking about another country like that?

Because although I've heard Obama speak many times, I've never heard anything like that.

Let's see it.
I think I've cracked getting rid of Trump supporters.

Just ask them to back up one of their claims with facts and POOF! they're out like shout.

 
The funny thing is in November you guys will be flabbergasted that Trump lost because the only people that voted for him are white males.

You do realize he's running for President and not radio talk show host, yes?

Presidents don't talk like that.
I don't think you are remembering correctly. In November there were a handful of people like myself who were saying that Trump was going to be the nominee and then the president.

 
The funny thing is in November you guys will be flabbergasted that Trump lost because the only people that voted for him are white males.

You do realize he's running for President and not radio talk show host, yes?

Presidents don't talk like that.


I don't think you are remembering correctly. In November there were a handful of people like myself who were saying that Trump was going to be the nominee and then the president.
Were you trying to respond to someone else's post? I'm asking because your response doesn't make any sense in reference to the post that you quoted.

 
Yeah, I doubt a company like Cadillac has employees whose entire job it is to figure these things out...

They know exactly what they're doing.
Oh yeah those guys. Hopefully we won't have to bail them out a third time. But I guess they do know what they are doing since they used the last two bailouts to build plants in China and Mexico. 

Yeah those guys.

 
Trump yesterday:

"When you send checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars to people and to companies and to groups that you’ve never heard of, charitable organizations, you have to vet it. You send people out. You do a lot of work."

Trump January 28, 2016:

"The night benefited twenty-two different organizations, a number of which are Iowa based Veterans groups. Mr. Trump has been a major supporter of Veterans organizations throughout his life and has made strengthening our military, reforming the VA and taking care of our great Veterans cornerstones of his campaign."
Thank you. He sent out the 3.2 million to the already vetted charities and had to vet about 20 new ones. Talk about a BS witch hunt. 

 
Oh yeah those guys. Hopefully we won't have to bail them out a third time. But I guess they do know what they are doing since they used the last two bailouts to build plants in China and Mexico. 

Yeah those guys.
I thought the free market was the perfect system, no?

Dang Republicans, always trying to put more regulations on businesses.

 
Donald has no idea what Brexit is.

I ask if he sees himself as having similarities with leaders of the growing anti-immigrant (some would say outright racist) European nativist movements, like Marine Le Pen in France and Matteo Salvini in Italy, whom The Wall Street Journal reported Trump had met with and endorsed in Philadelphia. ("Matteo, I wish you become the next Italian premier soon," Trump was quoted as saying.) In fact, he insists he didn't meet Salvini. "I didn't want to meet him." And, in sum, he doesn't particularly see similarities — or at least isn't interested in them — between those movements and the anti-immigrant nationalism he is promoting in this country.

"And Brexit? Your position?" I ask.

"Huh?"

"Brexit."

"Hmm."

"The Brits leaving the EU," I prompt, realizing that his lack of familiarity with one of the most pressing issues in Europe is for him no concern nor liability at all.

"Oh yeah, I think they should leave."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/donald-trump-conversation-politics-dark-898465

- This is Putin's preferred policy by the way. Exactly what a puppet would say.

 
He sent out the 3.2 million to the already vetted charities and had to vet about 20 new ones. Talk about a BS witch hunt.
And you don't think it's the slightest bit suspicious that he happened to complete the vetting process for every single one of those 20 charities on the exact same day that the Washington Post published their story?

 
And you don't think it's the slightest bit suspicious that he happened to complete the vetting process for every single one of those 20 charities on the exact same day that the Washington Post published their story?
No not at all. My assessment of the situation is he dispersed the majority of the money and he probably had a guy working on bringing in the rest of the pledges and vetting and it was not a priority, but it would have been done for sure in time. Because you know Trump would not have committed a felony on national tv. When people started giving him #### about it taking too long he put more resources on it to get it done and put it to bed. 

When choosing between, billionaire Trump committing felony grand larceny on national tv to steal a million dollars or just taking too long to collect and vet. To think he was committing a crime utterly Timposterous. 

 
Wow what a stupid article. 
And yet it reveals Donald again with a pro-Putin position and a complete ignorance of an important issue. Put this with 'triad', LNG, the West Bank, the GI Bill and other stuff that he will be influencing that he has zero clue about.

 
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WASHINGTON — In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion — often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Courtcolleague, Sandra Day O’Connor — that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees.

New York Times, May 2009
I know, its shocking.  Judges are people.

 
What concerns...that they didn't think they were getting the free money (that they were never going to get until Trump held a fundraiser) in a timely manner?
The money wasn't free.  They had to debase themselves by associating with Trump.  Frankly, they're not getting near enough for that.

 
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And yet it reveals Donald again with a pro-Putin position and a complete ignorance of an important issue. Put this with 'triad', LNG, the West Bank, the GI Bill and other stuff that he will be influencing that he has zero clue about.
The article is titled Donald doesn't know what Brexit is. Then the reporter says Britain leaving the EU and he knew what it was. It is petty as hell that he wouldn't know the slang for it. 

That is like criticizing a Brit for not knowing what "Feel the Burn" meant but then when you said Bernie Sanders campaign he knew. Weak sauce

 
I know, its shocking.  Judges are people.
Yeah, I agree with you and disagree with SaintsInDome.

Of course who a judge is as a person affects how they view both the world and the law.  You can just look at polling and see that men and women view issues differently, and people of different races and cultures view issues differently.

Global achievement in numerous fields contradicts the part about Latinas being wiser than white men, though.

 
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The article is titled Donald doesn't know what Brexit is. Then the reporter says Britain leaving the EU and he knew what it was. It is petty as hell that he wouldn't know the slang for it. 

That is like criticizing a Brit for not knowing what "Feel the Burn" meant but then when you said Bernie Sanders campaign he knew. Weak sauce
Hold on, that text was mine, and I added the hyperlink. Then I gave the full story underneath.

Donald has heard of the issue of the EU breaking up but he's never heard the term Brexit? How does that happen?

 
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I think a big disconnect in these threads, at least from my POV is that all politics aside, a President should not be saying things such as:

The judicial system is rigged

Attacking a "Mexican" judge (who isn't really Mexican) because he presides over his court case

Joking about kidnapping in Mexico

Saying he'd like to punch a protester in the face

I get that Trump supporters like that he's not PC, that he seemingly just speaks his mind.

Take that "Hope they like kidnapping!" quote for example. Loan Sharks and Ditka had a good chuckle, I can see  how they thought it was funny. But again, he's not running for talk show host. He's running for President of the United States. And insulting a neighboring country just because you're embarrassed another sponsor wants noting to do with you?

If this guy gets his feelings hurt, (which seems to happen daily) we could end up at war.

That's the scariest thing about Trump to me. It's not his policies (or lack thereof), it's the fact that he's an egomaniac who seems unable to control his emotions.

 
How is Donald's twitter account not suspended or entirely shut down at this point?  He's been in clear violation of their EULA on multiple occasions. 

 
I think a big disconnect in these threads, at least from my POV is that all politics aside, a President should not be saying things such as:

The judicial system is rigged

Attacking a "Mexican" judge (who isn't really Mexican) because he presides over his court case

Joking about kidnapping in Mexico

Saying he'd like to punch a protester in the face

I get that Trump supporters like that he's not PC, that he seemingly just speaks his mind.

Take that "Hope they like kidnapping!" quote for example. Loan Sharks and Ditka had a good chuckle, I can see  how they thought it was funny. But again, he's not running for talk show host. He's running for President of the United States. And insulting a neighboring country just because you're embarrassed another sponsor wants noting to do with you?

If this guy gets his feelings hurt, (which seems to happen daily) we could end up at war.

That's the scariest thing about Trump to me. It's not his policies (or lack thereof), it's the fact that he's an egomaniac who seems unable to control his emotions.
But...but...AMERICA!!!! MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN!

TRUMP PROMISED ME MY TEETH BACK!

 
Interesting that the PGA is pulling out of Trump's Doral (Miami) course, after not being able to find a sponsor to replace Cadillac. Sponsors are wary of the Trump and his rhetoric.. So, that tournament is moving to Mexico. Ironic. If he doesn't become president, his brand and his ego will suffer.  
And hey Trump can't stop a PGA tournament at his own damned course from moving to Mexico - but believe me - he is going to make America Great Again.

 
And hey Trump can't stop a PGA tournament at his own damned course from moving to Mexico - but believe me - he is going to make America Great Again.
It took him 6 months to simply cut a check to veterans- but believe- he is going to make America Great Again day one. 

 
No one here is mildly bothered that Putin AND North Korea support Trump? You aren't starting to question yourselves a wee bit?
Their cult leader is an authoritarian strongman, he's made in the exact same mold as Putin/Jong-Ill.. I think they welcome the endorsements. 

I'm just waiting for Trump followers to claim that he doesn't poop or that he once scored 11 holes-in-one on an 18 hole golf course. These people are truly that nutty.

 
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No one here is mildly bothered that Putin AND North Korea support Trump? You aren't starting to question yourselves a wee bit?
No I think its great. We are entering a new area of globalism. I am no more bothered by the fact that world leaders are willing to work with Trump than with Obama opening up relations with Cuba and Vietnam. 

 
Hold on, that text was mine, and I added the hyperlink. Then I gave the full story underneath.

Donald has heard of the issue of the EU breaking up but he's never heard the term Brexit? How does that happen?
I have heard for months the debate on Britain leaving the EU and read a article or two on it. I have never heard the term Brexit either.   :shrug:  Dude is just a man with way more going on than the rest of us and he knew about the issue of Britain leaving the EU, I think it is very nit picky that the locals call the issue the Brexit and he does not. 

 
The article is titled Donald doesn't know what Brexit is. Then the reporter says Britain leaving the EU and he knew what it was. It is petty as hell that he wouldn't know the slang for it. 

That is like criticizing a Brit for not knowing what "Feel the Burn" meant but then when you said Bernie Sanders campaign he knew. Weak sauce
It's a common term on both sides of the Atlantic, and been one for a while now.

 
I think a big disconnect in these threads, at least from my POV is that all politics aside, a President should not be saying things such as:

The judicial system is rigged

Attacking a "Mexican" judge (who isn't really Mexican) because he presides over his court case

Joking about kidnapping in Mexico

Saying he'd like to punch a protester in the face

I get that Trump supporters like that he's not PC, that he seemingly just speaks his mind.

Take that "Hope they like kidnapping!" quote for example. Loan Sharks and Ditka had a good chuckle, I can see  how they thought it was funny. But again, he's not running for talk show host. He's running for President of the United States. And insulting a neighboring country just because you're embarrassed another sponsor wants noting to do with you?

If this guy gets his feelings hurt, (which seems to happen daily) we could end up at war.

That's the scariest thing about Trump to me. It's not his policies (or lack thereof), it's the fact that he's an egomaniac who seems unable to control his emotions.
You know what Skoo on some level I can agree with you. He shouldn't be saying a lot things, but given the current context of Hillary, I will always take the guy saying crazy things than the lady DOING crazy things like circumventing the law and screwing the American people. You can worry about what Trump might do, but the fact is Hillary has done worse. 

And in the context of politics, there is a method to Trumps madness. Politicians have made a living about saying nonsensical promises. He has come up with a viable strategy which is almost a necessity in this youtube 30 second attention span society. 

In response to Donald being a egomaniac who can't control his feelings, thank god finally a candidate with feelings. The fact that Donald appears to care about something is a breath of fresh air compared to the calculating political robots who pause before every statement to gauge how it will taken before expressing what they think the audience wants to hear. 

 
And hey Trump can't stop a PGA tournament at his own damned course from moving to Mexico - but believe me - he is going to make America Great Again.
Well in his defense he is not the president. Maybe the president can give cadillac another 400 million to build another factory in China that might work. 

 
It took him 6 months to simply cut a check to veterans- but believe- he is going to make America Great Again day one. 
Well sadly it is true, it did take him six months longer to gift millions of dollars to veterans than the millions Hillary has given.  :sarcasm:

 
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