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That would be the end of the GOP as we know it,  or the inevitable General Election L that's coming in November with 16 years of Democratic rule. Might need to start to Hinkie it with "the longest view in the room" and just hit reset this Fall. Never a better time for a third party to emerge, which I see being a hybrid of conservative fiscal policy and progressive social policy. An off-shoot that doesn't support tax increases or entitlements like the traditional GOP, but is more progressive on traditional Republican vs. Democrat debate issues like Gun Policy, Abortion, Immigration, etc. would have eight years to get started and gain traction. Might as well, losing this election is the death of the old GOP and it's happening now with Trump at the helm steering the Titanic right into an iceberg.
This is what the GOP has been struggling with for a long time now - how to move to the left enough to pick up moderates without losing the right wing base.  They will have to look at issues that should be more in line with Republican thinking, like legalizing marijuana, and propose a realistic solution to illegal immigration while dropping the anti-Hispanic rhetoric.  It can be done but they need to work hard on rehabilitating the GOP image and that won't happen overnight.

 
Trump needs one more card up his sleeve if he's ever going to pull even with her. :diamond:
Mr. Burns: You must have a few tricks up your sleeve! Smithers, boil some coffee! We're not licked yet!

Campaign Advisor: Yes we are. Come on boys, the old guy's finished. [they leave]

 
My new favorite conservative voice standing up to Trump:  Rick Wilson

 
Rick Wilson@TheRickWilson 14h14 hours ago
1/ How the actual #### does anyone at the RNC have standing to act shocked that Trump is not doing the basics of campaigning?


2/ You can't elide over his utter dip####tery. No matter how much you try to act surprised, you own this. You're covered in his stench.


3/ History will be so cruel to you.


4/ Your off the record sniping and grumbling is no substitute for moral courage. That's so DC.


5/ You won't escape the stain. It's like a big, visible "No Ragrets" chest tat that will mark your careers forever.


6/ Go public. Man up. Show courage. Say what's in your hearts; he's insane. He's poison. He's doomed. He's killing the Party.


7/ None of you are good enough to spin the unspinnable rat#### that is Trump. None of you can say, "I was just following orders."


8/ This weekend, people were lined up hundreds deep to give blood to the victims of Orlando. Your Cheeto Jesus was praising himself.


9/ There is no better Trump. There is not Presidential Trump. He is a vile stain on the this Republic.


10/ Your resumes will always read "Worked for a bat#### crazy crypto-fascist who destroyed the GOP"









It's all pretty great, but "Cheeto Jesus" is next level.  Might be the best one I've heard.









 
It's amazing how these stories are starting to come out several times a week. Can anyone think of a more poorly-run campaign?
1. Jimmy Carter (D-GA) 1976, 1980

But… Carter won.

Yes, in one election and by 2%.

In 1976, Carter ran against Gerald Ford, the man who had pardoned Richard “I am not a crook” Nixon.  Ford had already lost the support of the Democrats for pardoning their arch enemy, but he also managed to lose any hope of Republican support by granting amnesty to draft-dodgers.  In fact, a young Ronald Reagan came within spitting distance of unseating an incumbent president at the Republican Party’s convention in Kansas City, MO (that hasn’t happened in almost 200 years).

So no one liked Ford.  So what?

So Ford’s authority as president was anything but certain, he had enemies to his left and his right, and, in a debate, he showed off his lack of skills by saying, “There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe,” to which the moderator replied, “I’m sorry, what?”  His Federal Reserve’s policies lead to runaway inflation and he presided over the highest unemployment rates the country had seen since WWII. 

Wow.  Carter must have won in a landslide!

Not exactly...

After the Democratic Convention, Carter held a 33% lead in the polls.  However, after Playboy published an interview with Carter in which he admitted to having “lusted in my heart” for women other than his wife, Carter’s lead began to slowly collapse like a flan in a cupboard.  Ford closed the gap in debates and by attacking the former Georgia governor’s experience.

When the polls closed on November 2, 1976, no one was sure who would win.  Carter had lost his 33% lead and Ford looked like he might win a second term, despite being a thoroughly underwhelming candidate.  NBC didn’t announce that Jimmy Carter had won Mississippi (and passed 270 electoral votes) until 3:30am on November 3.  The 27 states that Ford won were and remain the most states won by a losing candidate.

 
OK, let's do this.  Which groups has Trump alienated and despite his boasts of being HUGE in these voting groups, will actually receive very few votes:

1. Hispanics

2. Women

3. African-Americans

4. Muslims

5. College educated

6. News and electronic journalists

7. Scientists

8. Active and Veteran Military

9. Most immigrants including Asians

10. The disabled community

11. LGBT

12 And I am tempted to add, anyone with an IQ with 3 digits.

Who does that leave? Angry white, rednecks-- A distinct minority these days.

And you think the election will be close?  LMAO!  Actually, his only hope is that Hillary is indicted and serious issues rise with her candidacy, which unfortunately from my perspective is a possibility.  However, barring that, what other realistic chance does Trump have?  If you want to stick your head further in the sand, or each other's orifice, go for it.

 
I think the GOP is better off legging this one out. Right now everyone's attention is on the race and the back-and-forth between the candidates because both candidates locked down nominations recently and there's not a lot of mindless distractions, so obviously that's drawing attention to what a disgraceful POS Trump is and how embarrassing it is for the party. But in about two weeks most people will be distracted until Labor Day. July 4th weekend, then the conventions (which Trump should be able to get through without too much more embarrassment, since they're tightly choreographed), then everyone goes on vacation and/or watches the Olympics for the month of August.  Next thing you know we're eight weeks from the election. 

If things don't change they'll take some hits in November to be sure, but we're not gonna get five more months of a one-sided race and daily outrage from all sides at all things Trump. That just doesn't seem possible.
I question some of your assumptions here.  Without real money and campaign surrogates, Trump's only lines of communicating with the public is social media and maintaining cable TV coverage.  Both of which necessitate him making news.  At this point the only thing that makes news is even more outlandish statements.  He doesn't have a campaign apparatus, doesn't have surrogates, and doesn't have money.  It's really a breathtakingly bad place for the party .  

 
Just wanted to throw this out there.

First presidential debate:
Monday, September 26, 2016
Wright State University, Dayton, OH

Vice presidential debate:
Tuesday, October 4, 2016
Longwood University, Farmville, VA

Second presidential debate:
Sunday, October 9, 2016
Washington University in St. Louis, St. Louis, MO

Third presidential debate:
Wednesday, October 19, 2016
University of Nevada, Las Vegas, Las Vegas, NV

http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=2016debates

 
I question some of your assumptions here.  Without real money and campaign surrogates, Trump's only lines of communicating with the public is social media and maintaining cable TV coverage.  Both of which necessitate him making news.  At this point the only thing that makes news is even more outlandish statements.  He doesn't have a campaign apparatus, doesn't have surrogates, and doesn't have money.  It's really a breathtakingly bad place for the party .  
Good points, but I was talking more about what the GOP should do assuming he doesn't pull it together.  I don't know that his lack of a campaign apparatus changes that too much.

I agree that it's gonna be hard for him to turn things around, and that he'll keep saying stupid ####, and I'm certainly not saying the GOP's status will be bolstered over the next 5 months if that's what happens. I'm saying the downside isn't that bad because the next 5 months will go quickly, and as long as they don't embrace him a good bit of the pain should end with the 2016 cycle. Some will linger of course- just IMO not as much as if they rejected the will of GOP primary voters and ran someone else.

 
If the GOP pulled a screwjob, a lot of Trump voters wouldn't come back. At the very least for '16, some of them probably not at all.
I hear this concern voiced a lot, but really... haven't the Republicans already lost these people? I mean, if you ask Trump voters, half of them will tell you they don't even care about him, they just hate the GOP establishment and want to see it burn. You think they're going to get back on board for Ryan/Rubio 2020?

 
Eh, that's a bit of a movie fiction. The Nazis earned their rep for efficiency when they took over the state apparatus, the Germans have always had that reputation, they still do.

Before that the Nazis were a thuggish, brutish, ignorant lot who were just opportunistic.

By the way (I'll say it again) if people really think the Hitler/fascist shoe fits you should be opposing the assault rifle ban because that's supposedly the reason anti-government types use to justify owning such weapons, that a fascist/Hitler type could come to power, which always used to be such a joke.
I wasn't referring to how they operated in government, but how they operated their campaigns in the months before they came to power. In the case of the Nazis, thanks mainly to Goebbels, it was incredibly smooth, well organized and revolutionary in its use of the media- that last part somewhat resembles Trump, but certainly not the smooth or well organized bit. 

 
Good points, but I was talking more about what the GOP should do assuming he doesn't pull it together.  I don't know that his lack of a campaign apparatus changes that too much.

I agree that it's gonna be hard for him to turn things around, and that he'll keep saying stupid ####, and I'm certainly not saying the GOP's status will be bolstered over the next 5 months if that's what happens. I'm saying the downside isn't that bad because the next 5 months will go quickly, and as long as they don't embrace him a good bit of the pain should end with the 2016 cycle. Some will linger of course- just IMO not as much as if they rejected the will of GOP primary voters and ran someone else.
I was more talking about organizing states/GOTV efforts.  He won't do this and if his campaign is a trainwreck, GOPers will get impacted that way even if they distance themselves from him (though I question how any of them are effectively going to do that especially in swing states where Hillary has operations like that). 

That's the real danger.  If marginal GOP voters turn off now, they may not come back this cycle.  

 
By the way (I'll say it again) if people really think the Hitler/fascist shoe fits you should be opposing the assault rifle ban because that's supposedly the reason anti-government types use to justify owning such weapons, that a fascist/Hitler type could come to power, which always used to be such a joke.


Abso-friggen-lutely.

I used to be a traditional liberal anti-gun and anti-NRA until George Bush (and the Patriot Act).  Then I became terrified that the government might just round people up and send them to Cuba for no good reason.  And I started to appreciate the argument that the 2nd Amendment protects us against tyrannical governments (and before I hear the argument that "a bunch of mountain men with machine guns won't be enough to fight off the might of the American government," a bunch of mountain men in Afghanistan disagree with you).

 
Abso-friggen-lutely.

I used to be a traditional liberal anti-gun and anti-NRA until George Bush (and the Patriot Act).  Then I became terrified that the government might just round people up and send them to Cuba for no good reason.  And I started to appreciate the argument that the 2nd Amendment protects us against tyrannical governments (and before I hear the argument that "a bunch of mountain men with machine guns won't be enough to fight off the might of the American government," a bunch of mountain men in Afghanistan disagree with you).
If this government is tyrannical, they aren't giving a damn about rules of engagement or civilian casualties.

 
Abso-friggen-lutely.

I used to be a traditional liberal anti-gun and anti-NRA until George Bush (and the Patriot Act).  Then I became terrified that the government might just round people up and send them to Cuba for no good reason.  And I started to appreciate the argument that the 2nd Amendment protects us against tyrannical governments (and before I hear the argument that "a bunch of mountain men with machine guns won't be enough to fight off the might of the American government," a bunch of mountain men in Afghanistan disagree with you).
The problem with this logic that it could be equally applied to an argument that people should be able to own grenade launchers, or anti-aircraft guns, or tanks, or nuclear weapons. 

At some point the risk to public safety outweighs the benefit derived from protecting individual liberty, as is demonstrated by the fact that you can't buy an anti-aircraft gun and plopt it down in the front yard.  What's the individual liberty interest that outweighs the danger of private citizens owning automatic weapons?  It can't be fighting back tyranny as you propose. I'm not even sure which Ahghan mountain men you're referring to (mujahideen or anti-Taliban forces), but either way they repelled tyranny with many hundreds of millions of dollars of foreign investment and weaponry, not machine guns they bought at a convention kept in the basement.

 
One huge difference between Hitler and Mussolini on the one hand, and Trump on the other, is that the former were extremely well organized. Nobody would ever call the Fascist campaign in 1922 or the Nazi campaign in 1932 dysfunctional. 
That Nazi campaign in 1923 on the other hand was not all that organized or thought through, so maybe there's hope for Trumpism in 2024

 
Abso-friggen-lutely.

I used to be a traditional liberal anti-gun and anti-NRA until George Bush (and the Patriot Act).  Then I became terrified that the government might just round people up and send them to Cuba for no good reason.  And I started to appreciate the argument that the 2nd Amendment protects us against tyrannical governments (and before I hear the argument that "a bunch of mountain men with machine guns won't be enough to fight off the might of the American government," a bunch of mountain men in Afghanistan disagree with you).
I'm becoming more convince as a last resort to policing, intelligence, etc. that we need expanded concealed carry training opportunities to allow responsible citizens to gain the experience and knowledge to protect themselves. 

 
I question some of your assumptions here.  Without real money and campaign surrogates, Trump's only lines of communicating with the public is social media and maintaining cable TV coverage.  Both of which necessitate him making news.  At this point the only thing that makes news is even more outlandish statements.  He doesn't have a campaign apparatus, doesn't have surrogates, and doesn't have money.  It's really a breathtakingly bad place for the party .  




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i think he will get plenty of coverage. he's the GOP nominee after all and the campaign is 6 months more. he may find the media less pliable or complicit as the campaign moves along. the media will be content to cover him because they want to see how this plays out. it doesn't change that he's drowning here and perhaps taking the GOP with him.

 
The problem with this logic that it could be equally applied to an argument that people should be able to own grenade launchers, or anti-aircraft guns, or tanks, or nuclear weapons. 

At some point the risk to public safety outweighs the benefit derived from protecting individual liberty, as is demonstrated by the fact that you can't buy an anti-aircraft gun and plopt it down in the front yard.  What's the individual liberty interest that outweighs the danger of private citizens owning automatic weapons?  It can't be fighting back tyranny as you propose. I'm not even sure which Ahghan mountain men you're referring to (mujahideen or anti-Taliban forces), but either way they repelled tyranny with many hundreds of millions of dollars of foreign investment and weaponry, not machine guns they bought at a convention kept in the basement.
You aren't wrong.  It's a very difficult analysis to make.  I don't know where the line is.  But I personally am not comfortable with machine guns being banned.

All my super liberal elite upper middle class (really upper class) friends are into gun control and making it harder for people to get guns.  I'm just not behind it.  These are the people (and I'm including you and me here) that are not in danger of getting rounded up.  Well, maybe you because you killed Jesus.  But I'd suspect that most of DC isn't worried about government intrusion because they ARE government.  

But it's a real fear.  Governments kill their citizens.  They throw them in jail.  They torture them.  We have a history of a few thousands of years of the powerful doing awful things to the less powerful.  I don't know why we think that leadership in America would be immune to it. 

Where's the line?  I don't know.  But talk of gun control makes me a little queasy. 

 
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You aren't wrong.  It's a very difficult analysis to make.  I don't know where the line is.  But I personally am not comfortable with machine guns being banned.

All my super liberal elite upper middle class (really upper class) friends are into gun control and making it harder for people to get guns.  I'm just not behind it.  These are the people (and I'm including you and me here) that are not in danger of getting rounded up.  Well, maybe you because you killed Jesus.  But I'd suspect that most of DC isn't worried about government intrusion because they ARE government.  

But it's a real fear.  Governments kill their citizens.  They throw them in jail.  They torture them.  We have a history of a few thousands of years of the powerful doing awful things to the less powerful.  I don't know why we think that leadership in America would be immune to it. 

Where's the line?  I don't know.  But talk of gun control makes me a little queasy. 
I'm sorta with you- I'm not a big gun control guy. I have zero problem with well-regulated handgun and rifle ownership. I just don't agree with recent Court decisions deeming it to be a Constitutional right, or with the idea that guns can be an effective tool to guard against government tyranny.  I also have more faith than you in our government's ability to draw the line between responsible limitations and suppression.

Also, I didn't kill Jesus.  I just let him die.  You guys should thank us- no Jews, no Easter!

 
You aren't wrong.  It's a very difficult analysis to make.  I don't know where the line is.  But I personally am not comfortable with machine guns being banned.

All my super liberal elite upper middle class (really upper class) friends are into gun control and making it harder for people to get guns.  I'm just not behind it.  These are the people (and I'm including you and me here) that are not in danger of getting rounded up.  Well, maybe you because you killed Jesus.  But I'd suspect that most of DC isn't worried about government intrusion because they ARE government.  

But it's a real fear.  Governments kill their citizens.  They throw them in jail.  They torture them.  We have a history of a few thousands of years of the powerful doing awful things to the less powerful.  I don't know why we think that leadership in America would be immune to it. 

Where's the line?  I don't know.  But talk of gun control makes me a little queasy. 
That ship has sailed.  The Second Amendment was never about "the People" being able to spontaneously organize a resistance to an overbearing federal government.  It was about the individual states being able to do so.  And a right to keep a weapon in the home was important to allow those states to raise militias that could, if the need struck, resist the federal government.  Conveniently, this right was also consistent with the common law's castle doctrine so that the collective purpose (stocking militias) was matched to the private purpose (defense of the home). 

Even with our meager regulation of firearms now, no state, much less any spontaneous collection of persons, could stand up to the government's military power.  Certainly not without allowing private ownership of weapons that everyone concedes should be regulated (like Stinger missiles).  So the "public" justification for the Second Amendment is already gone.  That still leaves the private justification.  Which is self-defense in the home.  I don't think it offends the Second Amendment to regulate so that the right of private ownership is confined only to that which is reasonably necessary to accomplish that purpose.  Does that require line drawing?  Of course it does.  But we do similar line drawing when applying every other Constitutional right.  We have a Constitutional right to travel, but we arrest people who try to travel to join ISIS. 

 
That ship has sailed.  The Second Amendment was never about "the People" being able to spontaneously organize a resistance to an overbearing federal government.  It was about the individual states being able to do so.  And a right to keep a weapon in the home was important to allow those states to raise militias that could, if the need struck, resist the federal government.  Conveniently, this right was also consistent with the common law's castle doctrine so that the collective purpose (stocking militias) was matched to the private purpose (defense of the home). 

Even with our meager regulation of firearms now, no state, much less any spontaneous collection of persons, could stand up to the government's military power.  Certainly not without allowing private ownership of weapons that everyone concedes should be regulated (like Stinger missiles).  So the "public" justification for the Second Amendment is already gone.  That still leaves the private justification.  Which is self-defense in the home.  I don't think it offends the Second Amendment to regulate so that the right of private ownership is confined only to that which is reasonably necessary to accomplish that purpose.  Does that require line drawing?  Of course it does.  But we do similar line drawing when applying every other Constitutional right.  We have a Constitutional right to travel, but we arrest people who try to travel to join ISIS. 
So the argument is resistance would be futile, but you acknowledge the people's right to do so say some proto-fascist did go too far, right?

 
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So the argument is resistance would be futile, but you acknowledge the people's right to do so say some proto-fascist did go too far, right?
Not as a Constitutional right, no. 

I do think it's irrelevant.  When Saddam Hussein ran Iraq, it had pretty much the highest rate of firearms ownership in the world.  It didn't stop him from being a despot.

We talk about "laws" and "rights" as if they are protections against despots.  They aren't.  Despots, pretty much by definition, break the law and disregard rights.  What protects against despotism is culture.  Maybe its naïve to think it can't happen here, but I don't think it can happen here.  Not because we have rights and laws, but because we have a culture in the military that wouldn't stand for it.  Rights and laws may supply the narrative for the reasons why the military or the populace wouldn't stand for it, but in truth its just a long history of national agreement that in this country we transition power peacefully. 

 
Not as a Constitutional right, no. 

I do think it's irrelevant.  When Saddam Hussein ran Iraq, it had pretty much the highest rate of firearms ownership in the world.  It didn't stop him from being a despot.

We talk about "laws" and "rights" as if they are protections against despots.  They aren't.  Despots, pretty much by definition, break the law and disregard rights.  What protects against despotism is culture.  Maybe its naïve to think it can't happen here, but I don't think it can happen here.  Not because we have rights and laws, but because we have a culture in the military that wouldn't stand for it.  Rights and laws may supply the narrative for the reasons why the military or the populace wouldn't stand for it, but in truth its just a long history of national agreement that in this country we transition power peacefully. 
It's the most amazing thing to hear someone say the people have no right to oppose a tyrannical government. That's the premise.

As for the rest of it, well these are all imagined hypotheticals. But there's been a lot of talk about Trump as Hitler/fascist/authoritarian, but hey maybe people don't mean it. Because if he *was that, I'd say say yeah defend your gun rights to the hilt.

 
The Constitution is pretty clear on whether the people have the right to insurrection or rebellion.  Congress is empowered to suspend habeas corpus and the government can then arrest people and hold them without due process in that event. 

That may sound amazing or extraordinary, but it's what the document says. 

 
I mean lets recall this is the guy who told everyone he would tell the military to do illegal stuff.
He also had a disagreement with Bill O'Reily over whether or not he could deport 11 million people.  Bill pointed out that it would be impossible for that many people to go through the courts as our Constitution grants them the right of a court appearance.  Trump said "well I disagree".  Bill told him he can't disagree with the Constitution and Trump said sure I can.  It was another one of Trump's off-the-cuff statements where he showed his ignorance.

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He also had a disagreement with Bill O'Reily over whether or not he could deport 11 million people.  Bill pointed out that it would be impossible for that many people to go through the courts as our Constitution grants them the right of a court appearance.  Trump said "well I disagree".  Bill told him he can't disagree with the Constitution and Trump said sure I can.  It was another one of Trump's off-the-cuff statements where he showed his ignorance.

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People need to stop viewing these comments as ignorance or foot in mouth or gaffes.

This is what the man believes.

Yeah and imagine a score San Joses, instant unrest.

 
The Constitution is pretty clear on whether the people have the right to insurrection or rebellion.  Congress is empowered to suspend habeas corpus and the government can then arrest people and hold them without due process in that event. 

That may sound amazing or extraordinary, but it's what the document says. 
I think Vladimir Putin agrees with you, seriously. I just cannot imagine a more anti-liberal sentiment. 

On the Constitutional points, I also disagree but those are long drawn out affairs.

 
So, Obama is in Orlando today. He's meeting with family members of the victims

I try to imagine what that must be like -- 50 times, talking to people who are devastated and heartbroken, absorbing their grief, trying to offer some kind of comfort and solace to them. It blows my mind.

Then I try to picture Donald Trump doing it. And I can't. I can't imagine Donald Trump displaying empathy. I can't imagine Donald Trump comforting anyone.

(In fairness, I also can't imagine Hillary doing it. But at least with Hillary she could send Bill in to say his usual "I feel your pain" schtick that somehow makes people feel better.)

 
So, Obama is in Orlando today. He's meeting with family members of the victims

I try to imagine what that must be like -- 50 times, talking to people who are devastated and heartbroken, absorbing their grief, trying to offer some kind of comfort and solace to them. It blows my mind.

Then I try to picture Donald Trump doing it. And I can't. I can't imagine Donald Trump displaying empathy. I can't imagine Donald Trump comforting anyone.

(In fairness, I also can't imagine Hillary doing it. But at least with Hillary she could send Bill in to say his usual "I feel your pain" schtick that somehow makes people feel better.)
"We'll send in the Miss USA contestants.  A pretty girl always makes me feel better.  Everyone likes pretty girls, right?  And women.  Of course I mean pretty women.  They're women.  How many are there?  Fifty?  Do we have enough states for that?"

 
So, Obama is in Orlando today. He's meeting with family members of the victims

I try to imagine what that must be like -- 50 times, talking to people who are devastated and heartbroken, absorbing their grief, trying to offer some kind of comfort and solace to them. It blows my mind.

Then I try to picture Donald Trump doing it. And I can't. I can't imagine Donald Trump displaying empathy. I can't imagine Donald Trump comforting anyone.

(In fairness, I also can't imagine Hillary doing it. But at least with Hillary she could send Bill in to say his usual "I feel your pain" schtick that somehow makes people feel better.)
Hillary has had to meet with many many victims families over the years: Oklahoma City, 9/11, Columbine,  just to name a few. 

 
More Companies Opt to Sit Out Trump’s Coronation in Cleveland



Wells Fargo, UPS, Motorola Solutions, JPMorgan and Ford are among previous sponsors that won't give this year.


A growing number of prominent U.S. corporations are opting to drop or scale back their sponsorship of the Republican national convention next month in Cleveland, as the nomination of Donald Trump promises a level of controversy rarely seen in such gatherings.

Among those to signal in recent days that they won't sponsor the convention this year are Wells Fargo & Co., United Parcel Service Inc., Motorola Solutions Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co., Ford Motor Co., and Walgreens Boots Alliance Inc. All of those companies sponsored the previous Republican conclave, in Tampa, Florida, in 2012.

... Ford’s role in the convention would have been especially fraught. Trump has repeatedly faulted the company for planning to build a plant in Mexico and vowed to stop such moves if he becomes president. As recently as March, Politico reported that Ford wouldn't say whether it would be a sponsor.  ...
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-16/more-companies-opt-to-sit-out-trump-s-coronation-in-cleveland

 
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