What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Official Donald Trump for President thread (3 Viewers)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Dexter said:
I don't believe Muslims and the west can live together unless the population is under 2% and spread through out the country (so they can integrate) and even then we will have issues. We (The West v Muslims) just believe different things. One of those things is tolerance and acceptance. Muslims believe men and women should be separate. That gays deserve to die and that the only law is the law of the Qur'an, Sharia law. It's already hard enough to agree with ourselves and even Europe. When you add in a Muslim population you get what we had here last week. 
Click to expand...
There are gay imams.

 
Courtjester said:
Trump is just fine. He is the nominee and if anything I would be worried if I were a Democrat that he hasn't done anything and yet, he is neck and neck with your candidate

The Lefties were all excited earlier this week when a poll showed Clinton +12, but guess what the next day it went to Clinton +7 and then the next day two polls showed Clinton +9 and +5 and now the poll Friday showed Clinton +2.

If you want to argue that he doesn't have the organization and ground game Clinton has, then you would have a point, but he is still pulling in large crowds and the GOP will galvanize behind him at the convention and it is just a matter of time until the Clinton attacks ads appear.
Click to expand...
The Clinton attack ads are already out. Especially in battleground states.

Also, it seems to be worrying "self funding" Trump. http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/18/politics/donald-trump-emergency-fundraising/

 
November is fast becoming what the GOP fears: A referendum on Trump
Click to expand...


- Trump has given Hillary what four campaigns and 1,346 makeovers and slogan changes could not - a reason and a purpose. She is NotTrump/NeverTrump, she does not have to be about any issue, she does not have to worry about her multiple flaws or her horrible ethical history or failings in office, she is just "not that guy" and that guy is hovering around 70% unfavorable number, eschews data, isn't running ads, has no money, doesn't believe in GOTV, has no media arm and no party apparatus to speak of.

 
Courtjester said:
Trump is just fine. He is the nominee and if anything I would be worried if I were a Democrat that he hasn't done anything and yet, he is neck and neck with your candidate

The Lefties were all excited earlier this week when a poll showed Clinton +12, but guess what the next day it went to Clinton +7 and then the next day two polls showed Clinton +9 and +5 and now the poll Friday showed Clinton +2.

If you want to argue that he doesn't have the organization and ground game Clinton has, then you would have a point, but he is still pulling in large crowds and the GOP will galvanize behind him at the convention and it is just a matter of time until the Clinton attacks ads appear.
Click to expand...
He isn't neck to neck :lmao:  His implied Vegas odds are 18% this morning. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
- Trump has given Hillary what four campaigns and 1,346 makeovers and slogan changes could not - a reason and a purpose. She is NotTrump/NeverTrump, she does not have to be about any issue, she does not have to worry about her multiple flaws or her horrible ethical history or failings in office, she is just "not that guy" and that guy is hovering around 70% unfavorable number, eschews data, isn't running ads, has no money, doesn't believe in GOTV, has no media arm and no party apparatus to speak of.
Click to expand...
They better watch it or he will take their credentials away. :mellow:

 
Supporters of Donald Trump got an unexpected plea on Saturday: a request to send the billionaire money.

It was an "emergency" request, the Hill reported, representing an urgent need for an infusion of $100,000 to put ads on the air in battleground states. Why Trump couldn't simply write a check to cover the costs apparently wasn't explained,
Click to expand...
You can fool a lot of the people a lot of the time, but eventually most people catch on.  Will be interesting to watch the reactions of the most diehard supporters in this thread over the next 4+ months as reality noses its way under the tent.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump on Saturday compared himself to a supermodel, citing media exposure.

"I feel like a supermodel, except like times 10," Trump said during a rally Saturday in Arizona.

"It's true. I'm a supermodel. I'm on the cover of these magazines — I'm on the cover of the biggest magazines. I don't even know about it. I can't even read the story, because if I did, I wouldn't get any work done."

..."But I'm a messenger."

During the event, the presumptive GOP nominee also offered praise to Republican Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, calling her an "amazing person."

"You know, it's not nice to say about a woman, but you are tough, aren't you?" Trump asked. "She is tough; she's smart," he said.
Click to expand...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284027-trump-i-feel-like-a-supermodel

 
Courtjester said:
Trump is just fine. He is the nominee and if anything I would be worried if I were a Democrat that he hasn't done anything and yet, he is neck and neck with your candidate

The Lefties were all excited earlier this week when a poll showed Clinton +12, but guess what the next day it went to Clinton +7 and then the next day two polls showed Clinton +9 and +5 and now the poll Friday showed Clinton +2.

If you want to argue that he doesn't have the organization and ground game Clinton has, then you would have a point, but he is still pulling in large crowds and the GOP will galvanize behind him at the convention and it is just a matter of time until the Clinton attacks ads appear.
Click to expand...


Meet the Press Verified account ‏@meetthepress


Trump on his campaign: "We really haven't started. We start after the convention."
Click to expand...
- Hillary has been running anti-Trump ads for over a month. When does Trump run one about her?

- He clinched in late April, right? So he had a 1.5 month jump on Hillary? And he is going to wait until July to get started, so he has killed 2.5 months on bs? The guy is a complete and utter waste of time, literally.
 
How much do attack ads really help?  Romney had plenty of them early and often in 2012, and he still got clobbered.  I am not saying they are useless, but they don't decide elections. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
- Hillary has been running anti-Trump ads for over a month. When does Trump run one about her?

- He clinched in late April, right? So he had a 1.5 month jump on Hillary? And he is going to wait until July to get started, so he has killed 2.5 months on bs? The guy is a complete and utter waste of time, literally.
Click to expand...
But yet here you are in a thread about him with probably more posts than any of us?? :crazy:

 
timschochet said:
I think Trump wants to win. It's just that he doesn't know any way to do so other then the way he got here. 

Trump is like one of those spread offense teams, like the Oregon Ducks in college football. They score a million points against everyone in their own conference and nobody can figure them out. Then they get into the final against a physical powerhouse like Ohio State or Alabama and they're toast. It's not like they can suddenly change their style; they have to keep trying what got them there; but it won't work anymore. 
Click to expand...
He's still attacking "the Republicans."

 
In a previous post in this thread, I detailed the evolution of my opinion on Trump which has gone from entertained, to annoyed, to hatred.  With this apparent implosion, he's moving back towards the entertaining end of the spectrum.  If he continues his self-sabotage, he may finish at all-time highs on the entertainment scale.   :thumbup:

 
Ryan: Whether to support Trump or not is up to delegates


House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., says he has no influence over Republican convention delegates' decisions on whether to change their minds about supporting Donald Trump.

Ryan, who endorsed Trump earlier this month, is the convention's chairman. But he told NBC's "Meet the Press" host Chuck Todd, "It is not my job to tell delegates to do, what not to do, or to weigh in on things like that. They write the rules. They make their decisions."

Asked for his opinion on the matter, Ryan said, "My opinion is not relevant here."

...
Click to expand...
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ryan-whether-to-support-trump-or-not-is-up-to-delegates/article/2594319#.V2bC3hR3Y5p.twitter

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Right now
I am a Trumpist
And I am a nihilist
Don't know what I want, but I know how get it
I want to destroy the GOP

'Cause I want to be hostility, Trump's lackey

Hostility for the U.S.A.
It's coming sometime, it may be
I'm the throng of slime, stop coherent thought
Your future dream is voting Hillary

'Cause I want to be hostility, no pity

Of many ways to get what you want
I use the best, I use the rest
I use the enemy
I use hostility

'Cause I want to be hostility, it's the only way to be

Is this the I. S. I. S. ?
Is this the B. L. M. ?
Is this the F. B. G. ?
I thought it was the U.S.A., or just another country
And other cuck-like tendencies
'Cause I want to be hostility,'cause I want to be
Hostility, you know what I mean ?

'Cause I want to be Trumpist, again I'm pissed

Destroy !
Click to expand...

 
culdeus said:
Ryan is the only one they could force at this point.  

And here's a secret. Trump doesn't want to win. 
Click to expand...
There was an article about that a few months back talking about how he has gotten himself into a situation where he can't back out or be called a quitter...which is the last thing he wants to be known as for the highest position in the land. He never expected to get this far. He also doesn't want to lose to Hillary. He will take a buyout if the Koch bros and other billionaires give him that option....contrary to what he currently says.

 
Utah Republican chairman talks with Donald Trump about state’s unusual tossup status


Concerned with polls showing Hillary Clinton has a chance to win in one of the most conservative states in the nation, Utah Republican Party Chairman James Evans huddled with Donald Trump in Las Vegas on Saturday.

They talked for half an hour shortly before Trump held a packed rally at the Treasure Island casino, and he vowed to campaign in Utah after the national convention in Cleveland in July.

"He's definitely coming back out," said Evans in an interview after the conversation organized by Trump's son, Don Jr.

Evans said he encouraged Trump to tone down comments that have resulted in some Republicans accusing him of racism and xenophobia, such as attacks on a federal judge of Hispanic descent and a call for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the country as a way to combat terrorism.

Evans said Utahns want to see "consistency and predictability" in their presidential candidates, and he suggested most of Trump's racially charged statements are part of an act.

...
Click to expand...
http://www.sltrib.com/news/4022055-155/utah-republican-chairman-talks-with-donald

- Trump has most recently been campaigning in Texas, NH, and Utah.

- And in other news a major party nominee is doing appearances at a casino.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
lod001 said:
There was an article about that a few months back talking about how he has gotten himself into a situation where he can't back out or be called a quitter...which is the last thing he wants to be known as for the highest position in the land. He never expected to get this far. He also doesn't want to lose to Hillary. He will take a buyout if the Koch bros and other billionaires give him that option....contrary to what he currently says.
Click to expand...
Much better narrative for him moving forward if they "take" the nomination from him vs just taking $$$ to go away. He needs his supporters' anger to stay focused and stay elsewhere other than him so he can continue to profit off of the millions of suckers that actually fell for his schtick. He can spin this into a Fox News gig, speaking fees, T-shirts / hats, etc if he plays this right. If he just sells out and takes cash to go away, not so much.

 
Dozens of GOP delegates launch new push to halt Donald Trump

[SIZE=12pt]Dozens of Republican convention delegates are hatching a new plan to block Donald Trump at this summer’s party meetings, in what has become the most organized effort so far to stop the businessman from becoming the GOP presidential nominee.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The moves come amid declining poll numbers for Trump and growing concern among Republicans that he is squandering his chance to defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton. Several controversies — including his racial attacks on a federal judge, his renewed call to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States and his support for changing the nation’s gun laws — have raised fears among Republicans that Trump is not really a conservative and is too reckless to run a successful race.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Given the strife, a growing group of anti-Trump delegates is convinced that enough like-minded Republicans will band together in the next month to change party rules and allow delegates to vote for whomever they want at the convention, regardless of who won state caucuses or primaries.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The new push is being run by people who can actually make changes to party rules, rather than by pundits and media figures who have been pining for a Trump alternative. Many of the delegates involved supported Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.) in the primary race but say they are not taking cues from any of Trump’s vanquished opponents. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“This literally is an ‘Anybody but Trump’ movement,” said Kendal Unruh, a Republican delegate from Colorado who is leading the campaign. “Nobody has any idea who is going to step in and be the nominee, but we’re not worried about that. We’re just doing that job to make sure that he’s not the face of our party.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]...“This isn’t going to go away,” warned Cecil Stinemetz, a delegate from Iowa participating in the new campaign. “Trump or others might say that these are just little groups who won’t do anything and it’ll fizz out — that’s not going to happen. Trump just continues to embarrass himself and his party, and this is not going to let up.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Several factors will complicate any attempt to stop Trump.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]First, Unruh’s plan to unbind the delegates will need support from a majority of the convention’s rules committee, which is scheduled to meet July 14 and 15 — just a few days before the convention formally convenes. If the proposal passes the committee, it would need to be ratified by a majority of convention delegates the following week.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Second, several delegates are deeply concerned about what they say are intimidation tactics by Trump, his campaign and some state party leaders.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]One delegate, who commented on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retribution, wrote in an email that during his state party’s first convention organizing meeting, party leaders told the delegates that if they didn’t vote for Trump, “we would be removed from the floor and replaced with an alternate.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Recruiting like-minded delegates may also be difficult, because the RNC has yet to release a list of the thousands of people elected to travel to Cleveland as delegates or alternates. A final list of names from each state and territory was due to the RNC on Monday, and party officials are reviewing the names to ensure that no elected delegate or alternate has a criminal record, according to party officials.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Privately, some RNC officials say they doubt that a full list will be released ahead of time. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]RNC Chairman Reince Priebus and other top leaders have said delegates are required to reflect the results of state contests. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]In response, a group of veteran Republican operatives is planning to raise up to $2.5 million to run an advertising campaign arguing that delegates can do whatever they want. The Citizens in Charge Foundation plans to bankroll the outreach campaign. It has paid for the publication of a book by Curly Haugland, a GOP delegate from North Dakota, who argues that delegates are already free to vote for anyone. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“It’s not an effort for a candidate or against a candidate, but it’s an effort to educate people on what their real authority is and have them get the comfort that they’re not alone,” said Eric O’Keefe, a party operative based in Detroit who is a member of the group. “There’s a whole network of like-minded people.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“This is not a play for Cruz or Kasich or Ryan,” O’Keefe said. “I trust the delegates that if they understand their authority, they’ll nominate a good ticket.”[/SIZE]
Click to expand...


This is from June 17th but it's worth revisiting for a few reasons:

- One condition has already been met, as the chairman of the Rules Committee has been named and it's a Romney ally who was a firm supporter of Cruz as well.

- Ryan - the convention chairman - today completely contradicted Preibus by saying that delegates are not bound. In terms of throwing people off the floor I bet he'd have something to say about that as well, I don't think there will be any Trumpian intimidation under his watch.

That listing of delegates is a pretty big deal. If those names are still being withheld it's because the party leadership and Trump have a legitimate concern that delegates will be talking to each other regarding coordination and organizing in advance of the the convention. I don't know if this is an actual revolt yet but it's not nothing. I don't know if we can still call Trump "presumptive" anymore.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Coeur de Lion said:
Much better narrative for him moving forward if they "take" the nomination from him vs just taking $$$ to go away. He needs his supporters' anger to stay focused and stay elsewhere other than him so he can continue to profit off of the millions of suckers that actually fell for his schtick. He can spin this into a Fox News gig, speaking fees, T-shirts / hats, etc if he plays this right. If he just sells out and takes cash to go away, not so much.
Click to expand...
This guy has too much money. A Fox News gig, speaking fees, etc. by a billionaire? Seriously? No. Not enough money in it for him.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is from June 17th but it's worth revisiting for a few reasons:

- One condition has already been met, as the chairman of the Rules Committee has been named and it's a Romney ally who was a firm supporter of Cruz as well.

- Ryan - the convention chairman - today completely contradicted Preibus by saying that delegates are not bound. In terms of throwing people off the floor I bet he'd have something to say about that as well, I don't think there will be any Trumpian intimidation under his watch.

That listing of delegates is a pretty big deal. If those names are still being withheld it's because the party leadership and Trump have a legitimate concern that delegates will be talking to each other and coordination and organizing in advance of the the convention. I don't know if this is an actual revolt yet but it's not nothing. I don't know if we can still call Trump "presumptive" anymore.
Click to expand...
GOP is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Frankly their best strategy is to take their lumps with a Trump nominee and try to take out Hilliary in 2020. If they go against the will of their rank and file, there could be a split and we'll have a Tea Party. The surviving Republicans are likely to migrate to the Democrats, which could alienate their left.

Why am I the only one who sees this as good times? We have an opportunity here to see the two old, corrupt Parties overthrown and have more responsive parties emerge. That would be better for all of us. Sometimes things have to be culled to make room for new growth. I am hoping this is one of those times.

 
bueno said:
GOP is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Frankly their best strategy is to take their lumps with a Trump nominee and try to take out Hilliary in 2020. If they go against the will of their rank and file, there could be a split and we'll have a Tea Party. The surviving Republicans are likely to migrate to the Democrats, which could alienate their left.

Why am I the only one who sees this as good times? We have an opportunity here to see the two old, corrupt Parties overthrown and have more responsive parties emerge. That would be better for all of us. Sometimes things have to be culled to make room for new growth. I am hoping this is one of those times.
Click to expand...
The GOP is truly screwed no matter what. It has occurred to me that the confluence of Republicans fleeing the party for the New-Old Dems led by the Clintons who are already predisposed to conservative/moderate policies themselves could change the Democratic Party, but really nothing changes. The problem is the voters. Look at what happened in 2008, a bunch of Democrats won.... in typically GOP conservative states and districts, so they were only slightly more willing to be progressive than their predecessors. They were yellow dogs and they were thrown out in stages between 2010-2014. And teh House and Senate just became red again.

If people really want to change things IMO it will have to come through a third party with a core set of reform values.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The GOP is truly screwed no matter what. It has occurred to me that the confluence of Republicans fleeing the party for the New-Old Dems led by the Clintons who are already predisposed to conservative/moderate policies themselves could change the Democratic Party, but really nothing changes. The problem is the voters. Look at what happened in 2008, a bunch of Democrats won.... in typically GOP conservative states and districts, so they were only slightly more willing to be progressive than their predecessors. They were yellow dogs and they were thrown out in stages between 2010-2014. And teh House and Senate just became red again.

If people really want to change things IMO it will have to come through a third party with a core set of reform values.
Click to expand...
The problem is that only a two party system is really stable under our electoral college laws. 

 
bueno said:
This guy has too much money. A Fox News gig, speaking fees, etc. by a billionaire? Seriously? No. Not enough money in it for him.
Click to expand...
I don't take his word as to his net worth, personally. And there's huge money there for him. Plus, if he actually is a billionaire, why would he even consider being bought off and folding for the $150 million being tossed about in here?

No doubt the guy is fabulously wealthy, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't take a massive deal to stay in the limelight and for the cash.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The GOP is truly screwed no matter what. It has occurred to me that the confluence of Republicans fleeing the party for the New-Old Dems led by the Clintons who are already predisposed to conservative/moderate policies themselves could change the Democratic Party, but really nothing changes. The problem is the voters. Look at what happened in 2008, a bunch of Democrats won.... in typically GOP conservative states and districts, so they were only slightly more willing to be progressive than their predecessors. They were yellow dogs and they were thrown out in stages between 2010-2014. And teh House and Senate just became red again.

If people really want to change things IMO it will have to come through a third party with a core set of reform values.
Click to expand...
Hopefully enough thoughtful conservatives go Libertarian to get them on the ballot next time. And the same for the Green Party on the left.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
I don't take his word as to his net worth, personally. And there's huge money there for him. Plus, if he actually is a billionaire, why would he even consider being bought off and folding for the $150 million being tossed about in here?

No doubt the guy is fabulously wealthy, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't take a massive deal to stay in the limelight and for the cash.
Click to expand...
A billionaire isn't going to put that kind of effort into something that doesn't substantially affect his net worth. It in not huge money for someone with Trump's wealth (whether you believe it or not does not change reality).   Now a narcissist taking a deal to stay in the limelight - that is a different motivation altogether. He would do it for that reason, not for money.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Hopefully enough thoughtful conservatives go Libertarian to get them on the ballot next time. And the same for the Green Party on the left.
Click to expand...
I'm not sure whether to award you points for using "thoughtful" and "Libertarian" in the same sentence or not.

 
bueno said:
GOP is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Frankly their best strategy is to take their lumps with a Trump nominee and try to take out Hilliary in 2020. If they go against the will of their rank and file, there could be a split and we'll have a Tea Party. The surviving Republicans are likely to migrate to the Democrats, which could alienate their left.

Why am I the only one who sees this as good times? We have an opportunity here to see the two old, corrupt Parties overthrown and have more responsive parties emerge. That would be better for all of us. Sometimes things have to be culled to make room for new growth. I am hoping this is one of those times.
Click to expand...
New political parties sound like a great idea in theory. But there are two potential issues with that. The first issue is that neither side wants to make a move first. If the Tea Party officially breaks off from the Republicans, then the Democrats will exploit that split for victory after victory after victory.

The second potential issue is that neither the Tea Party nor the "far left" will be able to attract more than ~30% of voters. So you could end up with a situation where the middle party has a very strong plurality, which could neutralize both of the other parties. That's pretty much how Trump won the Republican nomination.

 
bueno said:
A billionaire isn't going to put that kind of effort into something that doesn't substantially affect his net worth. It in not huge money for someone with Trump's wealth (whether you believe it or not does not change reality).   Now a narcissist taking a deal to stay in the limelight - that is a different motivation altogether. He would do it for that reason, not for money.
Click to expand...
I've read multiple articles placing his net worth around $1 billion or so, with much of that being non-liquid and heavily leveraged. Makes sense to me given his willingness to slap his name on random crap (vodka, steaks, whatever) to make a few bucks. O'Reilly makes $15+ million / year just from Fox -- Trump reportedly did The Apprentice for under $1 million.

Seriously, is a guy worth multiple billions going to run the Trump U scam to bilk people out of a few $K? GTFO.

 
bueno said:
I'm not sure whether to award you points for using "thoughtful" and "Libertarian" in the same sentence or not.
Click to expand...
I disagree with Libertarian beliefs pretty strongly, but think that the modern Republican Party has gone off of the far right deep end. The country would be better off if the (R)s returned to the center right and let another party represent the farther right. And we all need to jettison the Bible thumping religious social conservatism for good.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
I disagree with Libertarian beliefs pretty strongly, but think that the modern Republican Party has gone off of the far right deep end. The country would be better off if the (R)s returned to the center right and let another party represent the farther right. And we all need to jettison the Bible thumping religious social conservatism for good.
Click to expand...
If you kicked out all the Christians from the GOP, they could form their own party and probably be 5 times as big as what is left of the republican party.

 
Riversco said:
If you kicked out all the Christians from the GOP, they could form their own party and probably be 5 times as big as what is left of the republican party.
Click to expand...
Don't think he's talking about all Christians.  He's talking about the Pat Robertson, Ted Cruz, Duck Dynasty Crowd.  Along with the Family Foundation for the Foundation of Families.

 
Riversco said:
If you kicked out all the Christians from the GOP, they could form their own party and probably be 5 times as big as what is left of the republican party.
Click to expand...
Who said anything about all Christians? Most Christians that I know understand that faith is a personal issue and the Bible should have nothing to do with the U.S. government.

 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Yo Mama
**** OFFICIAL FFA 2025-2026 Fake NBA Draft **** - Happy Ranks-Giving!!
19 20 21
Replies
1K
Views
14K
Master of Subservience
Master of Subservience
DA RAIDERS
Pick a fantasy team for the Tour de France. There will be prizes!
Replies
35
Views
3K
DA RAIDERS
DA RAIDERS
kutta
***Official 2025 Footballguy T-Shirt Exchange - OCT 12 SHIPPING DEADLINE (extended 2 weeks)***
3 4 5
Replies
226
Views
7K
Dennis Castro
Dennis Castro

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Back
Top