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Cyclones said:
I'm trying to wrap my head around how any of the following could even consider voting for Trump.
 

  • Women
  • Minorities
  • Men with wives
  • Men with daughters
Pretty much leaves us with the group that accounts for most of his support - uneducated white males. But, #Murca, right? And yes, I know plenty of uneducated white men have wives and daughters, but they're probably not smart enough to realize that Trump thinks they are 2nd class citizens (the wives and daughters, not the redneck men.)
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This is why I just can't see Trump winning, despite the fact that he has made up some serious ground on Clintonover the past week and a half.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Now we're getting somewhere. I appreciate you playing ball for a minute with me. 

You might not think Trump is much of a GOP but I think many of you are low balling your hatred of the Clintons and what is likely to happen over the next 4-8 years. I'm kind of shocked you all have bought into Trump is Godzilla and must be stopped at all costs even aligning with Hilary Clinton which is what you are doing. You can say no but every stay at home is at least 1/2 vote for Clinton, enough folks cutting off their noses and it's a lot of votes for Clinton.
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I don't play that game so you aren't going to get me into that hole, but I will say this.  If the only way to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming President is to vote for Donald Trump, well, I guess I just don't care enough about my disagreements with her to sell my soul like that.  Because there isn't a single thing that I have seen in this election cycle that would even make me consider the possilbity of voting for Trump, let alone support him or the party that he is going to lead.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
I don't play that game so you aren't going to get me into that hole, but I will say this.  If the only way to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming President is to vote for Donald Trump, well, I guess I just don't care enough about my disagreements with her to sell my soul like that.  Because there isn't a single thing that I have seen in this election cycle that would even make me consider the possilbity of voting for Trump, let alone support him or the party that he is going to lead.
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I agree with you and P.J. O'Rourke on this. Of the choice he said that electing Hillary would be "the second worst thing that could happen to this country. But she's way behind in second place, you know? She's wrong about absolutely everything. But she's wrong within normal parameters!"

 
Sammy3469 said:
What they want is for the convention not to be a complete boondoggle so they can raise enough money to pay for it and some of the downticket races.  
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That ship has sailed - last I read their selling space on the big screen in the arena for contributors to have their names shown there. It's basically minor league hockey promotions right now.

 
Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine


The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?postshare=9961468859608386&tid=ss_tw

- Reminder: four different trump advisors have worked for Putin's various proxies.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Now we're getting somewhere. I appreciate you playing ball for a minute with me. 

You might not think Trump is much of a GOP but I think many of you are low balling your hatred of the Clintons and what is likely to happen over the next 4-8 years. I'm kind of shocked you all have bought into Trump is Godzilla and must be stopped at all costs even aligning with Hilary Clinton which is what you are doing. You can say no but every stay at home is at least 1/2 vote for Clinton, enough folks cutting off their noses and it's a lot of votes for Clinton.
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How about you articulate the policies that Clinton has endorsed that you find so appalling?  She's well within the mainstream and has been for some time.  So what exactly about her makes her the anti-Christ?  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?postshare=9961468859608386&tid=ss_tw

- Reminder: four different trump advisors have worked for Putin's various proxies.
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See, it's crap like this that push me to the DNC, not away.  This effing GOP has lost their collective minds.  Still not going there at all but I mean c'mon,man.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
You are simply taking 5 second sound bites and regurgitating them into your talking points tapes. 

That's a very narrow view of what Trump has been speaking about. If it were the way you describe he would not have gotten the number of votes he did so it's not worth arguing with you. It's an opinion and that's the simple truth, not the way you spun it.  
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At least 90% of primary Trump voters ONLY voted for him because of those 5 second sound bites. The mouth breathers that actually supported him over candidates like Rubio or Kasich certainly weren't doing it because they had considered their different policy positions and somehow found his more appealing. 

 
igbomb said:
At least 90% of primary Trump voters ONLY voted for him because of those 5 second sound bites. The mouth breathers that actually supported him over candidates like Rubio or Kasich certainly weren't doing it because they had considered their different policy positions and somehow found his more appealing. 
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Absolutely right. 

When you pull back the onion a layer on just about anything Trump as said you find one or both of the following: 1) falsehoods, 2) fluff.

 
sho nuff said:
What am I looking in the mirror about...you complain about people spamming this thread...but have no problem when its done here and elsewhere by your fellow Trump supporters.

Seems your one way street comment is quite fitting for you as well.
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I'm writing Timschochet in just for fun..

 
MikeIke said:
Take a few minutes to read through these 141 things Donald Trump has said and done.  This is not a person who should be anywhere close to being elected as President.
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Coeur de Lion said:
Those are policy positions pulled directly from his speeches, guy. His policy ideas aren't what is resonating with his supporters, it's the angry nativism and a middle finger to the establishment.
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I appreciate the link Mike but like many of his supporters...you can fill in the blanks there. I can pull you over 141 actual humans that have magically died who are in close proximity to the Clintons over the years, more than any set of humans to ever grace America that I can find. From mistresses who magically died to an entire plane meeting its fate, the body count is vast and high. To think the Clintons are any less dirty or evil than Trump is proposterous. They went to Trump's wedding, they're similar people in many respects but to think that one is a better person than the other is ridiculous IMHO...

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I appreciate the link Mike but like many of his supporters...you can fill in the blanks there. I can pull you over 141 actual humans that have magically died who are in close proximity to the Clintons over the years, more than any set of humans to ever grace America that I can find. From mistresses who magically died to an entire plane meeting its fate, the body count is vast and high. To think the Clintons are any less dirty or evil than Trump is proposterous. They went to Trump's wedding, they're similar people in many respects but to think that one is a better person than the other is ridiculous IMHO...
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Very similar except for that whole "one is a former Senator and Secretary of State and the other doesn't know the first thing about being President of the United States" thing.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I appreciate the link Mike but like many of his supporters...you can fill in the blanks there. I can pull you over 141 actual humans that have magically died who are in close proximity to the Clintons over the years, more than any set of humans to ever grace America that I can find. From mistresses who magically died to an entire plane meeting its fate, the body count is vast and high. To think the Clintons are any less dirty or evil than Trump is proposterous. They went to Trump's wedding, they're similar people in many respects but to think that one is a better person than the other is ridiculous IMHO...
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Are you suggesting the Clintons have killed 141 people, aside from presidential military strike orders?

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I appreciate the link Mike but like many of his supporters...you can fill in the blanks there. I can pull you over 141 actual humans that have magically died who are in close proximity to the Clintons over the years, more than any set of humans to ever grace America that I can find. From mistresses who magically died to an entire plane meeting its fate, the body count is vast and high. To think the Clintons are any less dirty or evil than Trump is proposterous. They went to Trump's wedding, they're similar people in many respects but to think that one is a better person than the other is ridiculous IMHO...
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The very epitome of Trump supporters. Facts are unnecessary. 

 
thayman said:
Because he would appeal to millions of voters in the middle.  If done correctly it could mitigate a lot of damage down ticket that Trump will inflict.
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Seems like ripping the GOP party would increase damage down ticket, not mitigate it.

It's a moot point anyway.  Paul Ryan is not going to rip the Republican Party a new one.

 
avoiding injuries said:
I've seen some images of what looks like 1,000's of bikers at the RNC in Cleveland to keep protesters away. Is this really happening?
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Meet The Bikers For Trump, The RNC’s Harley-Riding Volunteer Security Squad


Andy Cush




I asked Carol-Ann Calderone what drew her to Trump and she told me that when she was a teenager, in the 1960s, her parents were strict, and did not allow her to participate in the social upheavals of that era. The Bikers for Trump event “felt like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity” to recapture the energy of that decade, she said.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
I don't play that game so you aren't going to get me into that hole, but I will say this.  If the only way to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming President is to vote for Donald Trump, well, I guess I just don't care enough about my disagreements with her to sell my soul like that.  Because there isn't a single thing that I have seen in this election cycle that would even make me consider the possilbity of voting for Trump, let alone support him or the party that he is going to lead.
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So you are casting your vote for Clinton. It's not a game, you dislike Trump more than Clinton, you really are not a Republican. 

Are these the same folks who wanted to and in fact impeach Clinton? But now they can't vote for trump so they let Billy Boy get control of the WH again. How many scandals will the Clintons racks up this time around int he White House?

No one seems to say anything Trump is doing that so anti-GOP or traditional GOP. He wants to keep jobs here, keep people from flooding into the country, what is so taboo about these topics?  He had the guts to run and beat all these turkeys that you all seem to feel were better or stronger candidates, well they weren't. 

4-8 more years of Obama politics, that's what you all are standing up for, irony at it's best. 

None of you anti-Trumpers that have bullied the ever loving #### out of this thread should ever be taken seriously when you speak out against anything the Clintons do the next 8 years. We're gonna get a list going of those who can't bring themselves with every fiber of their being, just can't pull the trigger for Trump but then will bellyache about the Clintons the next many years. You all are hypocrites and full of it IMHO.   

Once it was obvious Trump was going to win, suddenly all those who were opposed to it spoke up, too late. He announced early in Summer 2015 of what his intentions were and no one in the GOP elite was smart enough to see what was coming, that's a testament to their stupidity and completely out of touch with anyone who claimed to be a GOP in this country. They forgot who they were. 

It's like you want to tear him down but you have no alternative and we are at the convention and he is getting the nomination...why didn't everyone start a 3rd party? No action, just cry foul the entire way. 

Fine, stay home but if you don't care then why do so many of you make it uncomfortable for anyone that might want to vote for him in here feel sorry they even brought his name up. It's disgusting and I think you all did a poor job of showing others what the real GOP is supposed to stand for if in fact you are that way. 

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
So you are casting your vote for Clinton. It's not a game, you dislike Trump more than Clinton, you really are not a Republican. 

Are these the same folks who wanted to and in fact impeach Clinton? But now they can't vote for trump so they let Billy Boy get control of the WH again. How many scandals will the Clintons racks up this time around int he White House?

No one seems to say anything Trump is doing that so anti-GOP or traditional GOP. He wants to keep jobs here, keep people from flooding into the country, what is so taboo about these topics?  He had the guts to run and beat all these turkeys that you all seem to feel were better or stronger candidates, well they weren't. 

4-8 more years of Obama politics, that's what you all are standing up for, irony at it's best. 

None of you anti-Trumpers that have bullied the ever loving #### out of this thread should ever be taken seriously when you speak out against anything the Clintons do the next 8 years. We're gonna get a list going of those who can't bring themselves with every fiber of their being, just can't pull the trigger for Trump but then will bellyache about the Clintons the next many years. You all are hypocrites and full of it IMHO.   

Once it was obvious Trump was going to win, suddenly all those who were opposed to it spoke up, too late. He announced early in Summer 2015 of what his intentions were and no one in the GOP elite was smart enough to see what was coming, that's a testament to their stupidity and completely out of touch with anyone who claimed to be a GOP in this country. They forgot who they were. 

It's like you wan tot tear him down but you have no alternative and we are at the convention and he is getting the nomination...why didn't everyone start a 3rd party? No action, just cry foul the entire way. 

Fine, stay home but if you don't care then why do so many of you make it uncomfortable for anyone that might want to vote for him in here feel sorry they even brought his name up. It's disgusting and I think you all did a poor job of showing others what the real GOP is supposed to stand for if in fact you are that way. 
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Wow...just wow.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I appreciate the link Mike but like many of his supporters...you can fill in the blanks there. I can pull you over 141 actual humans that have magically died who are in close proximity to the Clintons over the years, more than any set of humans to ever grace America that I can find. From mistresses who magically died to an entire plane meeting its fate, the body count is vast and high. To think the Clintons are any less dirty or evil than Trump is proposterous. They went to Trump's wedding, they're similar people in many respects but to think that one is a better person than the other is ridiculous IMHO...
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That's your rebuttal?

Don't post any more condescending, long-winded speeches if your best arguments are the above and, "well, if it was that bad, he wouldn't have gotten all those votes."

That's such a bad argument, I don't know where to start.

 
Nick Vermeil said:
Are you suggesting the Clintons have killed 141 people, aside from presidential military strike orders?
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People are socially engineered to block out sites that don't make initial sense as conspiracy or anti-gov't but you can type in Clinton Body Count on google and you will find anything you need there. Its amazing the people who are within their circles that end up dead. You think House of Cards is a farce? 

They have had scandal after scandal and always seem to escape it all. I used to be enamored with them when I was in my 20s and living int he early 90s, it seemed like they were a little cooler than everyone else and getting away with all they did, honestly Americans were rooting for them for the longest time. 

But then what was rumors or benefit of the doubt came to a head with Lewinsky and then you knew a lot of these false claims were in fact true. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I appreciate the link Mike but like many of his supporters...you can fill in the blanks there. I can pull you over 141 actual humans that have magically died who are in close proximity to the Clintons over the years, more than any set of humans to ever grace America that I can find. From mistresses who magically died to an entire plane meeting its fate, the body count is vast and high. To think the Clintons are any less dirty or evil than Trump is proposterous. They went to Trump's wedding, they're similar people in many respects but to think that one is a better person than the other is ridiculous IMHO...
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If you seriously believe that, it's no wonder you fall for Trump's nonsense. Following your suggestion, I googled Clinton Body Count, and you're right, I found everything I needed:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
No one seems to say anything Trump is doing that so anti-GOP or traditional GOP. He wants to keep jobs here, keep people from flooding into the country, what is so taboo about these topics?  He had the guts to run and beat all these turkeys that you all seem to feel were better or stronger candidates, well they weren't. 
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I'm going to ignore all of your Clinton conspiracy nonsense. It's logic versus conspiracy nonsense, and they simply don't intersect.

But the part I quoted shows that you don't really understand the GOP, or economics, at all. Economic conservatism embraces free trade. Agreements like NAFTA are viewed by most Republicans, and even more economists, as a very good thing. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
People are socially engineered to block out sites that don't make initial sense as conspiracy or anti-gov't but you can type in Clinton Body Count on google and you will find anything you need there. Its amazing the people who are within their circles that end up dead. You think House of Cards is a farce? 

They have had scandal after scandal and always seem to escape it all. I used to be enamored with them when I was in my 20s and living int he early 90s, it seemed like they were a little cooler than everyone else and getting away with all they did, honestly Americans were rooting for them for the longest time. 

But then what was rumors or benefit of the doubt came to a head with Lewinsky and then you knew a lot of these false claims were in fact true. 
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He got a blowy so that's how you knew that they had a bunch of people killed.  

I'm using the method of repeating what you are saying to point out the ridiculousness of the statement.

It's a method I hope Hillary uses in the debates, ironically.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I appreciate the link Mike but like many of his supporters...you can fill in the blanks there. I can pull you over 141 actual humans that have magically died who are in close proximity to the Clintons over the years, more than any set of humans to ever grace America that I can find. From mistresses who magically died to an entire plane meeting its fate, the body count is vast and high. To think the Clintons are any less dirty or evil than Trump is proposterous. They went to Trump's wedding, they're similar people in many respects but to think that one is a better person than the other is ridiculous IMHO...
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Joe Bryant said:
Do NOT drop accusations that inflammatory without backing it up.

EXACTLY why do you think this? If you don't have specifics when making an accusation that strong, delete what you posted.

J
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It's conversion night at the convention, Bob! The republicans have lots of boy and girl puppets at the ready to demonstrate a relationship the way God intended. After that, a slew of tv evangelists will come up to the big stage to discuss how you will burn in the nether regions of hell if your pee pee touches a man's bum bum. Finally, we will end the evening with a prayer recited by David Duke. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
So you are casting your vote for Clinton. It's not a game, you dislike Trump more than Clinton, you really are not a Republican. 
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I'm going to leave the rest of your nonsensical rant aside and focus on this.  What about Trump is Republican?  He's currently claiming to be one, well, sort of.  But tariffs are not Republican.  Nor is leaving NATO.  Nor is banning Muslims.  His views on abortion may or may not fit, depending on the day.  Hell, Bill has been called the best Republican President in our lifetime - he balanced the budget, decreased taxes and implemented Don't Ask, Don't Tell.  

Unless of course you're talking about the current incarnation of Republicans.  The ones that needlessly threatened the debt ceiling, the ones that have tried to repeal the ACA over 60 times, the party of no ideas and no leadership.  That party deserves Donald - hell it was made for him.  

 
Ministry of Pain said:
So you are casting your vote for Clinton. It's not a game, you dislike Trump more than Clinton, you really are not a Republican. 

Are these the same folks who wanted to and in fact impeach Clinton? But now they can't vote for trump so they let Billy Boy get control of the WH again. How many scandals will the Clintons racks up this time around int he White House?

No one seems to say anything Trump is doing that so anti-GOP or traditional GOP. He wants to keep jobs here, keep people from flooding into the country, what is so taboo about these topics?  He had the guts to run and beat all these turkeys that you all seem to feel were better or stronger candidates, well they weren't. 

4-8 more years of Obama politics, that's what you all are standing up for, irony at it's best. 

None of you anti-Trumpers that have bullied the ever loving #### out of this thread should ever be taken seriously when you speak out against anything the Clintons do the next 8 years. We're gonna get a list going of those who can't bring themselves with every fiber of their being, just can't pull the trigger for Trump but then will bellyache about the Clintons the next many years. You all are hypocrites and full of it IMHO.   

Once it was obvious Trump was going to win, suddenly all those who were opposed to it spoke up, too late. He announced early in Summer 2015 of what his intentions were and no one in the GOP elite was smart enough to see what was coming, that's a testament to their stupidity and completely out of touch with anyone who claimed to be a GOP in this country. They forgot who they were. 

It's like you want to tear him down but you have no alternative and we are at the convention and he is getting the nomination...why didn't everyone start a 3rd party? No action, just cry foul the entire way. 

Fine, stay home but if you don't care then why do so many of you make it uncomfortable for anyone that might want to vote for him in here feel sorry they even brought his name up. It's disgusting and I think you all did a poor job of showing others what the real GOP is supposed to stand for if in fact you are that way. 
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Maybe some Republicans just want what's best (better) for the country instead of just seeing an R next to a name. Trump is unfit for office. He has no clue about anything related to this job. 

 
dparker713 said:
Maybe he really is the Manchurian Candidate
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Is Donald Trump Working for Russia?




Donald Trump is not a Russian agent in the sense that Philip and Elizabeth from The Americans are Russian agents. There’s no hidden radio in his laundry room where he transmits secrets to the Kremlin. But his relationship with Russia is disturbing and lends itself to frightening interpretations.

Franklin Foer has detailed the connections between the Republican nominee and the Kremlin. In short, it includes a long series of economic and social ties, which fit the pattern Vladimir Putin has used to infiltrate and undermine governments elsewhere — including in Ukraine, a coup Putin pulled off through Paul Manafort, who is now Trump’s campaign manager. Michael Crowley and Julia Ioffe have both described how the Russian propaganda apparatus has thrown itself behind Trump’s campaign. As Foer notes, Trump’s lack of creditworthiness makes him unusually reliant on unconventional sources of financing. This makes him vulnerable to financial leverage by an unscrupulous foreign entity.

The evidence of Trump’s unseemly affinity for Putin is extensive but circumstantial. Yet the most disturbing explanation for the evidence continues to get more plausible. Today, Josh Rogin reports, the Republican Party officially altered its platform on Ukraine and Russia. The previous platform advocated “providing lethal defensive weapons” to Ukraine, reflecting the virtually unanimous position of the Republican Party Establishment. Trump staffers prevailed on the Platform Committee to replace that language with a milder endorsement of “appropriate assistance.”

Given how little attention Trump has paid to the substance of the platform, the intervention is striking. At the very least, it suggests that the candidate’s extensive, fulsome praise for the Russian dictator is more than a passing fancy. Reporters who investigate these ties are being very careful about their conclusions, but this looks really bad.
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/donald-trump-working-for-russia.html

 
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