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fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I don't think Trump bought much TV time for the primaries either and he destroyed big spenders like Jeb Bush.  Probably thought he could do the same thing for the general election.  And until a month or two ago his campaign didn't really have any money to spend anyway.
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Ok $0 on a presidential campaign in the general.

Zee-ro.

Unbelievable that someone could think they could win doing that.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don’t know."

- "The Second Amendment people."

"Those people." What a put on. 

This is not a 2nd Amendment guy himself. This is a guy who thinks of the people he is manipulating, who are following him, as being ultra-violent. He thinks of the largely rural people roaring their approval as being a sort of characature of the kind a super wealthy penthouse Manhattanite, who would never stay overnight where they live, would imagine them to be. Violent, irrational, reactionary.

It's so twisted.
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Spot on. The wording of it was crazy too.

 
Clinton and her supporters just seem a million times better than Trump's Republican opponents were at taking down Trump.  It's probably due to a lot of reasons, but I think part of it is just the advantage of seeing Trump over the past year.  The Republicans were just confused about how to deal with him because his candidacy was so atypical.  By the time they started figuring it out it was too late to do anything.  But Trump doesn't seem to have any new tricks.  It's a lot easier to combat someone when you pretty much know how he operates.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Clinton and her supporters just seem a million times better than Trump's Republican opponents were at taking down Trump.  It's probably due to a lot of reasons, but I think part of it is just the advantage of seeing Trump over the past year.  The Republicans were just confused about how to deal with him because his candidacy was so atypical.  By the time they started figuring it out it was too late to do anything.  But Trump doesn't seem to have any new tricks.  It's a lot easier to combat someone when you pretty much know how he operates.
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He was a complete bag of ##### from the go. It's beyond shocking he won the nom.

 
bananafish said:
This 2nd amendment thing is being spun so furiously there is poo flying off and people are shrieking and running away trying to shield their eyes. 

It's great. 
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Don't see how anyone can misunderstand his statement taken in full. Paraphrased he said, if she wins there isn't anything you can do, unless maybe gun owners can think of something. Hint hint... WTF! His supporters are trying to ignore the first part of the sentence, the if she wins part. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I agree, but I think if there were a way for all the Republican candidates to go back in time knowing what they know now, he could have been stopped.  They just didn't know how to deal with him at all.
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Yup, he had the novelty factor  I suppose and there was like 20 of them splitting everything up as well.

Still he should have had zero chance and that would not have happened in the Democratic Party, republicans have some serious, serious issues. 

 
If his campaign had just released a statement saying "he didn't know what the hell he was saying", everyone would have just shrugged their shoulders and said "sounds right". The story would already be over.

 
The General said:
Yup, he had the novelty factor  I suppose and there was like 20 of them splitting everything up as well.

Still he should have had zero chance and that would not have happened in the Democratic Party, republicans have some serious, serious issues. 
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I don't think it could have happened in the Democratic Party this year, but I wouldn't have thought it could have happened to the Republican Party either.  I knew less than I thought I did.

 
Soootch said:
It's interesting to ponder what the race would look like if he was disciplined, informed and running ads. The theory that he's a Clinton plant looks less crazy every day. 
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I'm not sure Trump would have received the Republican nomination if he were disciplined and informed.  It's a lot easier to tell uninformed people what they want to hear if you also have no idea what you're talking about.

 
The General said:
Here's the thing it's like he thinks this would just go away if he won. It would be worse. This is what happens. He is incapable of doing this job, he would literally accomplish nothing.
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Careful. He'd accomplish some things. Those "some things" might be more damaging than anything seen in the last 100 years though. But, he would accomplish them.

 
Walking Boot said:
Hillary said similar stuff about Obama in 08. Like when she said she wouldn't concede the nomination because Robert Kennedy got shot in June so if Obama got shot she'd have to be ready to step up. 
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Absolutely.  Many are saying he plagiarized the line straight from Hillary.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I don't think it could have happened in the Democratic Party this year, but I wouldn't have thought it could have happened to the Republican Party either.  I knew less than I thought I did.
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If Clinton had even one serious Democratic competitor splitting the vote, Bernie could have won a majority with his message.  Both parties have large factions that don't want traditional slick talking politicians.  Trump has exposed an ugly group among the Republicans.  Most sensible people should have bailed by now.  I want anyone but Hilary and still Trump's behavior has made it impossible to vote for him.  

 
Arid Filch said:
If Clinton had even one serious Democratic competitor splitting the vote, Bernie could have won a majority with his message.  Both parties have large factions that don't want traditional slick talking politicians.  Trump has exposed an ugly group among the Republicans.  Most sensible people should have bailed by now.  I want anyone but Hilary and still Trump's behavior has made it impossible to vote for him.  
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If Kanye was the third guy he would not have got the nom. Hard to even think of a liberal equivalent honestly. 

It was obvious from the beginning Trump was a boorish idiot. The party has some serious issues to address. It's no good having them be a total mess.

 
The General said:
If Kanye was the third guy he would not have got the nom. Hard to even think of a liberal equivalent honestly. 

It was obvious from the beginning Trump was a boorish idiot. The party has some serious issues to address. It's no good having them be a total mess.
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What about Matt Damon? Seems like a decent guy with a level head.  I would have voted for him.  

 
Arid Filch said:
What about Matt Damon? Seems like a decent guy with a level head.  I would have voted for him.  
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Sure I suppose but the minute he started talking about a building a wall and other crazy #### he would have been laughed off stage. 

 
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The General said:
If Kanye was the third guy he would not have got the nom. Hard to even think of a liberal equivalent honestly. 

It was obvious from the beginning Trump was a boorish idiot. The party has some serious issues to address. It's no good having them be a total mess.
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Yep. The two most popular governors in the country are Republicans in blue states. Showing that the message of limited fiscal interference and social liberalism is what the majority of Americans want; but we let a few million crazies in Iowa and NH decide who will be the nominee every few years.

 
njherdfan said:
Yep. The two most popular governors in the country are Republicans in blue states. Showing that the message of limited fiscal interference and social liberalism is what the majority of Americans want; but we let a few million crazies in Iowa and NH decide who will be the nominee every few years.
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This needs to be addressed. They should run the Primary vote like the general. Every state the same day. 

 
njherdfan said:
Yep. The two most popular governors in the country are Republicans in blue states. Showing that the message of limited fiscal interference and social liberalism is what the majority of Americans want; but we let a few million crazies in Iowa and NH decide who will be the nominee every few years.
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Brownback :lmao:

 
njherdfan said:
Yep. The two most popular governors in the country are Republicans in blue states. Showing that the message of limited fiscal interference and social liberalism is what the majority of Americans want; but we let a few million crazies in Iowa and NH decide who will be the nominee every few years.
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As a Maryland resident, my impression is that Governor Hogan's popularity is due more to the way he has dealt with his cancer treatment and his interactions with the public rather than anything about his policy positions.

ETA:  Also worth noting that three of the bottom six governors on that list are also Republicans in blue states (Christie, Rauner and Snyder).

 
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The General said:
Sure I suppose but the minute he started talking about a building a wall and other crazy #### he would have been laughed off stage. 
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I never took that talk serious from Trump.  I assumed he was just carving out a niche among the passionate nationalists.  I thought he would approach the general election with more maturity since he had control of the Republicans and needed to appeal to Independents.

Bernie had unrealistic ideas too, but I guess his came from a loving rather than hateful heart.  

 
Sebowski said:
This needs to be addressed. They should run the Primary vote like the general. Every state the same day. 
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Yep. Right now a candidate like Charlie Baker would win the presidential election in an absolute landslide and would simultaneously be demolished in a red state primary to someone who ran on a creationist climate change denial platform.

 
Arid Filch said:
I never took that talk serious from Trump.  I assumed he was just carving out a niche among the passionate nationalists.  I thought he would approach the general election with more maturity since he had control of the Republicans and needed to appeal to Independents.

Bernie had unrealistic ideas too, but I guess his came from a loving rather than hateful heart.  
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Not sure why you didn't take that stuff seriously from Donald - he's been bat#### for years now with the Obama stuff and most of his other politics and he's been a super creepy dude for pretty much his whole life.

 
Getting harder and and harder to tell if Trump is insane himself, or just playing the part to address supporters he believes are insane, or both. 

 
I think the crux of the issue is that deep down Trump and his deepest followers think it should be okay to joke about your opponent being assassinated. 

 
No trying-to-be objective and fair journalist, no citizen who cares about the country and its future can ignore what Donald Trump said today. When he suggested that "The Second Amendment People" can stop Hillary Clinton he crossed a line with dangerous potential. By any objective analysis, this is a new low and unprecedented in the history of American presidential politics.  This is no longer about policy, civility, decency or even temperament. This is a direct threat of violence against a political rival.  It is not just against the norms of American politics, it raises a serious question of whether it is against the law.  If any other citizen had said this about a Presidential candidate, would the Secret Service be investigating?

Candidate Trump will undoubtably issue an explanation; some of his surrogates are already engaged in trying to gloss it over, but once the words are out there they cannot be taken back.  That is what inciting violence means.  

To anyone who still pretends this is a normal election of Republican against Democrat, history is watching.  And I suspect its verdict will be harsh.  Many have tried to do a side-shuffle and issue statements saying they strongly disagree with his rhetoric but still support the candidate.  That is becoming woefully insufficient.  The rhetoric is the candidate.

This cannot be treated as just another outrageous moment in the campaign.  We will see whether major newscasts explain how grave and unprecedented this is and whether the headlines in tomorrow's newspapers do it justice. We will soon know whether anyone who has publicly supported Trump explains how they can continue to do.

We are a democratic republic governed by the rule of law. We are an honest, fair and decent people. In trying to come to terms with today's discouraging development the best I can do is to summon our greatest political poet Abraham Lincoln for perspective:

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

Lincoln used these stirring words to end his First Inaugural Address. It was the eve of the Civil War and sadly his call for sanity, cohesion and peace was met with horrific violence that almost left our precious Union asunder. We cannot let that happen again.
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- Dan Rather

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
I think the crux of the issue is that deep down Trump and his deepest followers think it should be okay to joke about your opponent being assassinated. 
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HellToupee goes ballistic that someone even mentions NAMBLA in a post, but talk about assassination of Hillary? Just a joke, kids, why don't you have a sense of humor?

 
So much for the call for policy discussion by the self appointed thread head trumpette. We got "he didn't mean that" and Trump's inane slogan,and a bit of deflection in the spirit of jon_mx (but but but she did it too!!!11!!1!)

Many people are saying, though, that today was mostly entertaining, even if. as many say, someone might have called for the assassination of a political rival. Sad, that. And the lamestream media totally blew it out of proportion, believe me, many people are saying that.

 
msommer said:
So much for the call for policy discussion by the self appointed thread head trumpette. We got "he didn't mean that" and Trump's inane slogan,and a bit of deflection in the spirit of jon_mx (but but but she did it too!!!11!!1!)

Many people are saying, though, that today was mostly entertaining, even if. as many say, someone might have called for the assassination of a political rival. Sad, that. And the lamestream media totally blew it out of proportion, believe me, many people are saying that.
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that's not what his Eminence said at all (if that's who you are referring to). our GB Eminence was siding with Mr Trump, stating that it's OK to meet with force any politician trying to legally infringe on the rights to bare arms.

 That's where we are.

 
Many people are saying that The Donald only made his 2nd amendment people remarks to ensure people stopped talking about his NAMBLA connections and donations. I think that should be investigated, if many people are saying that, you know? Believe me, sad.

 
moleculo said:
that's not what his Eminence said at all (if that's who you are referring to). our GB Eminence was siding with Mr Trump, stating that it's OK to meet with force any politician trying to legally infringe on the rights to bare arms.

 That's where we are.
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You just gained like 100 credibility points.

Maybe I should consider your words more carefully as you're being 100% objective here with no obvious consequence or reward.

Cheers to you, guy!

 
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Eminence said:
You just gained like 100 credibility points.

Maybe I should consider your words more clearly as you're being 100% objective here with no obvious consequence or reward.

Cheers to you, guy!
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I feel like you are being sarcastic here, not sure why.  did I misstate your position?

 
moleculo said:
I feel like you are being sarcastic here, not sure why.  did I misstate your position?
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I'm being 100% serious, that guy was totally misrepresenting me and you came in and told the truth.

I appreciate it. That shows me that you actually care about the truth. You could have easily said nothing or hopped on board with whatever he was getting at.

You showed both good judgement and morality.

 
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Eminence said:
Of course not and I don't think he's actively advocating that anybody be shot.

It's fluff to fire up his base and ensure they come out and vote this November.
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@moleculo I read this statement as "he didn't mean that". It was before Em decided the second amendment gave the right to insurrection and violently overthowing the US government if they legally amended the constitution

 
Eminence said:
I'm being 100% serious, that guy was totally misrepresenting me and you came in and told the truth.

I appreciate it. That shows me that you actually care about the truth. You could have easily said nothing or hopped on board with whatever he was getting at.

You showed both good judgement and morality.
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not really.  His position was giving you the benefit of the doubt.  if you were simply deflecting, that's one thing, and to be expected of partisan hacks.  

What you argued was a blatant misunderstanding of the US constitution and how democracies work. I pointed out that you are either grossly ignorant or so blinded by partisan hackery that you don't know what you are talking about.  Either way, it's not good.

 
moleculo said:
not really.  His position was giving you the benefit of the doubt.  if you were simply deflecting, that's one thing, and to be expected of partisan hacks.  

What you argued was a blatant misunderstanding of the US constitution and how democracies work. I pointed out that you are either grossly ignorant or so blinded by partisan hackery that you don't know what you are talking about.  Either way, it's not good.
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Cheers to you guy!

 
moleculo said:
not really.  His position was giving you the benefit of the doubt.  if you were simply deflecting, that's one thing, and to be expected of partisan hacks.  

What you argued was a blatant misunderstanding of the US constitution and how democracies work. I pointed out that you are either grossly ignorant or so blinded by partisan hackery that you don't know what you are talking about.  Either way, it's not good.
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Listen man, I'm just agreeing with what you wrote. Are you disagreeing with what you wrote 20 minutes ago?

 
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Eminence said:
I'm being 100% serious, that guy was totally misrepresenting me and you came in and told the truth.

I appreciate it. That shows me that you actually care about the truth. You could have easily said nothing or hopped on board with whatever he was getting at.

You showed both good judgement and morality.
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I don't appreciate being confused with @That Guy

 
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