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SaintsInDome2006 said:
He's not being audited, I'm thinking that's a lie.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/07/politics/donald-trump-tax-audit-tax-returns/

Trump's own tax counsel, in a letter released in March, said the review of Trump's taxes encompasses the "2009 year and forward." A previous review of Trump's returns from 2002 through 2008 is complete, according to the letter, ostensibly meaning Trump could release those returns at any point should he choose. But his campaign continues to maintain that as long as an audit is ongoing, there will be no release. Trump has appeared unconcerned about the whole thing.


 
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Don't Noonan said:
But you are speculating.  Paying the least amount of federal taxes under current laws is "smart".  There are many things to not like Trump for but this is not one of them.  
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Since he is being audited (or at least claims to be) and we haven't seen his tax returns, your assertion that he is "Paying the least amount of federal taxes under current laws" is just as speculative as what Sweet J said.

 
hxperson said:
Since he is being audited (or at least claims to be) and we haven't seen his tax returns, your assertion that he is "Paying the least amount of federal taxes under current laws" is just as speculative as what Sweet J said.
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I am talking broad terms here, not specifically him.   It is not illegal to try and reduce your taxes.  Everyone does it and should do it.  

 
Don't Noonan said:
But you are speculating.  Paying the least amount of federal taxes under current laws is "smart".  There are many things to not like Trump for but this is not one of them.  
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The thing with paying no taxes is not Trump's real concern. I think Hillary has done him a bit of a favor by turning the discussion in this direction even though Trump wasn't 'smart' enough to use the very relatable argument you're raising here during the debate.

 
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By the way everyone in almost every income bracket can relate to the concept of using deductions and write offs. Trump didn't even try to relate to the average person during the debate though. However regardless I don't think many to any can understand how a man who brags about having a $10 Billion fortune per him pays no taxes.

 
Don't Noonan said:
But you are speculating.  Paying the least amount of federal taxes under current laws is "smart".  There are many things to not like Trump for but this is not one of them.  
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Well, we know of at least one situation in which he directed someone who owed him money to pay his Foundation instead of him.   And we know that he made payments from his Foundation as part of a deal to settle a lawsuit.  I believe we know that this happened twice.  So, no, I'm not sure this is just pure speculation.  Let's compound this by the fact that he is the first nominee in 5 decades not to release his taxes, and I think we are free to start connecting the dots.

 
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Don't Noonan said:
But you are speculating.  Paying the least amount of federal taxes under current laws is "smart".  There are many things to not like Trump for but this is not one of them.  
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When extremely wealthy people (or at least those who claim to be) run for office, it is an interesting view into their character to understand their charitable donations and level of giving. This is what he's hiding IMO. He's a slimy cheapskate who supports zero causes outside of himself. If you want to argue the point, provide the proof.

 
Don't Noonan said:
I am talking broad terms here, not specifically him.   It is not illegal to try and reduce your taxes.  Everyone does it and should do it.  
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What about a person who decides not to go to work because doing so would disqualify her from Welfare?  What about a person who continues to have babies because she knows it will give her Welfare benefits?  That's just a person taking advantage of the system in place just like a person taking advantage of byzantine tax loopholes, right?  Just like trump taking advantage of bankruptcy laws to avoid paying people he owes money to, correct? 

 
Sweet J said:
What about a person who decides not to go to work because doing so would disqualify her from Welfare?  What about a person who continues to have babies because she knows it will give her Welfare benefits?  That's just a person taking advantage of the system in place just like a person taking advantage of byzantine tax loopholes, right?  Just like trump taking advantage of bankruptcy laws to avoid paying people he owes money to, correct? 
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Yet the people that say Trump is smart for the latter are the same people that think the former are despicable.

 
I look forward to the question in the next debate about how Trump will change the tax laws to fix the injustice of him paying nothing. 

 
I am hoping to be wrong. But given a train ran at high speed INTO the station, I am going to say terrorism. If I'm wrong cool. -Curt Schilling

 
One reason we might want to see Trump's tax returns is to determine whether he's reducing his tax burden by being "smart"  or by being shady.  Not all loopholes or tax shelters are created equal.  When you advise a client on a legal position, there's a continuum.  You try to avoid any advice that would clearly be illegal or sanctionable, but you also evaluate how defensible certain approaches really are.  And sometimes, you would advocate against taking the approach that is only defensible enough to avoid being clearly illegal.

Trump may employ well-known tax shelters are they are customarily used.    He may have tax lawyers who employ more creative, but ultimately defensible strategies.  Or he may have lawyers who push right up against the bounds of ambiguities in the tax code figuring that they can always settle if the IRS finds he illegally avoided taxes.   If it's the third scenario, voters might want to take that into account. 

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
When extremely wealthy people (or at least those who claim to be) run for office, it is an interesting view into their character to understand their charitable donations and level of giving. This is what he's hiding IMO. He's a slimy cheapskate who supports zero causes outside of himself. If you want to argue the point, provide the proof.
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I'm sure that this is part of it, but at the end of the day, he's most defensive when people question his wealth. I'm guessing that he's nowhere near as rich as he has claimed to be, which would be the single biggest thing that he'd want to hide.

 
Sweet J said:
Well, we know of at least one situation in which he directed someone who owed him money to pay his Foundation instead of him.   And we know that he maid payments from his Foundation as part of a deal to settle a lawsuit.  I believe we know that this happened twice.  So, no, I'm not sure this is just pure speculation.  Let's compound this by the fact that he is the first nominee in 5 decades not to release his taxes, and I think we are free to start connecting the dots.
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Nixon released his tax returns while he was being audited.  Trump somehow managed to limbo under the "less transparent than Nixon" bar on this one.  

 
Sweet J said:
What about a person who decides not to go to work because doing so would disqualify her from Welfare?  What about a person who continues to have babies because she knows it will give her Welfare benefits?  That's just a person taking advantage of the system in place just like a person taking advantage of byzantine tax loopholes, right?  Just like trump taking advantage of bankruptcy laws to avoid paying people he owes money to, correct? 
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Not even close.  You are talking about trying to legally reduce the amount of federal income taxes you PAY.  Your example of welfare is people trying to game the system to RECEIVE.  

 
Don't Noonan said:
Not even close.  You are talking about trying to legally reduce the amount of federal income taxes you PAY.  Your example of welfare is people trying to game the system to RECEIVE.  
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Are you out of your everloving mind?  That is the most backwards thing I ever heard.  I'm speechless. 

 
massraider said:
Not ignorant.  

What it really is, IMO, is everyone has gotten smarter about disguising their beliefs and hatred.  It's slick, and if you pull back the curtain, they yell that you are oppressing them as they try and push their oppressive agenda.  

But that's all a red herring.  It doesn't matter what stupid reason, bigotry, hatred, ignorance Trumpallos have for voting for him.  It only matters that they are.  Because 'anyone but Hillary' doesn't (or shouldn't) apply here.

 Someone created a test, and created the worst political candidate this country has ever seen.  Maybe it was a joke, a bunch of MIT pranksters.  Wouldn't surprise me.  Whole bunch of people are failing the test.  

What's it take? What does it take for Trump to lose these people's votes? He's an internet troll, a FFA alias come to life.  And millions of people want him to run the most powerul country in the world.  
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It's all part of the simulation we are in. 

 
Sweet J said:
Are you out of your everloving mind?  That is the most backwards thing I ever heard.  I'm speechless. 
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I agree, expecting handouts from the government is backwards.  I would love for us to reduce all these entitlements. 

 
So it looks like the Trump Foubdation never registered to solicit donations per NY state law....doing so would have required a yearly audit.  Looks like the NY AG will probably look to shut it down ASAP.

 
USA Today has never endorsed a candidate in history - until now:  says "Don't Vote for Trump".

The editorial board unanimously found Trump "unfit for the presidency" and the editorial, published Thursday, goes on to list the reasons why, among them: his "erratic" behavior and his "checkered" business past.

"Whatever you do, however, resist the siren song of a dangerous demagogue. By all means vote, just not for Donald Trump."

 
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The world leader Trump admires most is destroying Germany:
 
"Well, I think (Angela) Merkel is a really great world leader, but I was very disappointed that -- when she -- this move with the whole thing on immigration," Trump said, referring to the German chancellor.
Trump has repeatedly vilified Merkel for accepting an influx of Syrian refugees into her country, saying she is "ruining Germany." His criticism of Merkel began last December when Time magazine named Merkel person of the year over Trump.
 
Despite offering up Merkel as a world leader he would "admire, respect, would like to emulate" in an interview with Boston-based NECN, Trump continued to slam the German leader.  "I was always a Merkel person, I thought really fantastic, but I think she made a very tragic mistake a year-and-a-half ago," Trump said, referring to her acceptance of refugees from Syria, a country torn by civil war, devastated by a mix of ISIS' brutal tactics that world leaders have slammed as genocidal and indiscriminate bombings by the Syrian Army.
 
 
 
HellToupee said:
trogg78 said:
I am hoping to be wrong. But given a train ran at high speed INTO the station, I am going to say terrorism. If I'm wrong cool. -Curt Schilling
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What an outrageous thought
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You're better than this.  A witness said the train engineer was slumped over in the driver's seat, and didn't slow the train.  Common ####### sense would tell you he fell asleep, or had a heart attack even, but ###### right-wing conspiracy guy thinks some Muslim did it. 

 
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