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shader said:
She's been accused of covering up the abuse and mistreating the victims.  Pretty serious allegations if true.
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That was never going to work. This country loves Stand by your Man. And attacking her over Bill has always raised her numbers. So those allegations are old and the press is bored with them. Plus they are more than a little in the tank for Hillary. Especially CNN. But there is new news. And it's all bad and it's all about Trump.

 
shader said:
Shocking moment of election number 576.

Republicans believe the Clinton accusers and think the Trump accusers are lying.

Democrsts think the Clinton accusers are lying and believe the Trump accusers.




 
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He already has the Clinton haters. He needs new people in his corner and won't get them.

 
Courtjester said:
Cap, if these are true, they are terrible, but come on, isn't there this little part of you that says "oh come on, you were sexually assaulted by one of the richest guys in the world, years ago; whom you could have hired the cheapest TV lawyer on the block and got some hush settlement from; but years and years later you choose to come forward?"

Maybe it is all true, but the timing is odd.

And before you suggest anything, yeah I have two daughters (12-17) so I take these stories seriously. 
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I don't know your posts much; we probably don't inhabit the same threads for whatever reason.  I suspect from the few I've noticed tonight that we are diametrically opposed, politically, but this isn't about that.  I don't care about Donald Trump.  I'm not angry at him.  And I don't "know" that the story is true anymore than you might suspect it's not.  But I just want to ask you - human-to-human - to do your best to set aside those feelings of suspicion to the extent you possibly can and re-read that story, focus on the words closely and especially on those that express the feelings of shame, of powerlessness, of the aftermath rather than the (alleged) actions themselves.

You might not know me either, so I'll tell you just a little bit about me, if you would indulge me a minute.  I went to a law school that was 65% male and chose to go into an area of law where I'm primarily dealing with men, and in many cases very powerful men - men such as one who was (might still be, don't know) #1 on the Forbes list.  That's because, in my career, I became pretty powerful myself for a time, and while that seems like a brag, I'm not sure how to avoid its relevance to what I'm going to ask you to do.  Anyway, couldn't tell you the number of times I've walked into a board room or a conference room of a couple dozen people and found I'm the only woman there.  And while it's noticeable in the room, it never bothered me that I can recall - I get along well with men, in fact better than with women a lot of the time if I were being embarrassingly honest.  It was just...a thing.  That I dealt with and didn't really think much about.

As I read this article, taking out the specifics of Trump or exactly what happened, I recognized almost every word, every feeling of it.    

This:  "I was still in shock, and remained speechless."

This:  "Did he think I’d be flattered?"

Particularly this:  "I tried to act normal. I had a job to do, and I was determined to do it."

This:  "My shock began to wear off, and was replaced by anger. I kept thinking ...Why couldn’t I say anything?"

Definitely this, oh definitely:  "I’d been up all night worrying—had I done something to encourage his behavior?"

This:  "But, like many women, I was ashamed and blamed myself for his transgression."

And oddly enough, most of all this:  "I minimized it (“It’s not like he raped me…”)"

Because honestly, until I read this, I knew I'd experienced some of this but still didn't think it was that big of deal, for this very reason.  I not only wasn't raped, but I've never experienced anything nearly as severe as this writer alleges or the others today have alleged - no tongues shoved down throats, no hands shoved up skirts, just the kind of entry-level groping that I think most any woman would understand - squeezes, pinches, hands where they shouldn't be.  The most notable being the General Counsel of a Fortune 50 company who out of the blue started telling me he and his wife had split up, though we weren't talking about him or his wife or anything but the Board meeting we had the next day, and he then made a physical move that I rebuffed but mild enough that I didn't feel threatened or assaulted or any of that, but instead just felt disappointed that I must not be giving off a professional enough persona, because if I had, he'd respect me enough not to do that.  To his credit, he was so horrified by his behavior - or maybe he was scared of me - that the next day he made up an excuse to fly back to our home office, and when I found out he was leaving I asked him if this was the real reason why, and when he admitted it was, I told him not to worry about it, no sweat, and I continued to work for him for a couple of years, because I was a professional and I thought that's what professionals did. 

Plus on a "lesser" scale (words only): the partner at my firm who, when I stood up after a meeting with him, asked me if I'd left a wet spot on the chair.  

The 65-year-old married CEO of a client, whose IPO I had just completed and, after our closing dinner in NY, called me in the middle of the night in my hotel room to invite me over for some bellinis in his room (what an odd drink choice, by the way).  And told me what he was wearing.  Or more accurately, not wearing.   

The CFO of a different company with whom I had to share an office for a period of months because we were working so closely on his company's IPO, and he simply moved into my office and we worked pretty well together for a while though I had some hesitation - just little things like touching me too much or too intimately, which now I realize no touching should have been OK, or making some weird statements that I just laughed off because what else was I going to do - I was a professional and we needed to get the IPO done and I was the person who could best do it and that was my job, you know - and I continued to ignore until one day I accidentally exclaimed "####!" (f word) because of some obstacle we'd come to unexpectedly, and then immediately apologized to the CFO, because I'm a professional and that's not professional and this is an important client, and he said, in a soothing voice, something along the lines of "Don't worry.  It's not a bad word.  You know that can really be a beautiful word." and then proceeded to start telling me in detail about how and why it was beautiful and that was it.  Cut him off - politely, gently, laughing it off as if I just thought it was a joke so that I could give him an out because I was a professional and this was an important client - and shortly after I made an excuse to leave my office and went to the senior partner's office and asked, without telling him what had happened - because I'm a professional - but just vaguely mentioning that CFO were having some trouble working together due to the proximity and that we might have a more productive relationship and get the IPO done better if we had some more space, and the partner told me that it would be great if I could just hang in there instead because we were only a few months from launching the IPO and surely I could just deal with it until then.

And I did.  You know why.

I've never considered myself a "victim" of anything - which would likely be much to the consternation of many feminists, with whom I might be very aligned on most things but not on this.  Nothing I just typed felt cathartic or "necessary"; I'm not traumatized nor am I "triggered" by any of these stories coming out.  Never felt angry at any of these guys - including the partner who blew me off, because I blamed myself for not being assertive enough - or the "wet spot" guy, who is actually a Facebook friend of mine though as you might imagine not quite a friend, and maybe I should let him know that's not OK but I likely never will - and I never asked for or needed an apology but only wanted to figure out how to make it stop without making waves, because I'm a professional and...you get it.  Not for a second considered any "big" action, though I shared some of these experiences - and others - with friends whom I could trust, oddly enough all of them being guy friends.  

None of it makes me special or unusual or having particularly bad luck or anything.  Believe me that I'm not enticing to men in any special way such that they just can't help themselves.  I've just assumed all women experienced this (an assumption that is sadly seeming more and more true) and it was just some of the price we pay.  After all, assuming I could get over the belief that it was my fault, I had to believe that if it was happening so much to me - relatively successful, perceived correctly or incorrectly as very strong, in a position to mess with careers of some fairly "important" people - I am alarmed to think how much it happens to those who are not in positions of any power, who are more vulnerable.

In other words, if you think I'm posting something highly personal, my point in this regard is that it's not personal to me.  Not at all.  

Again, I can't claim this particular woman's story is true.  I don't think whether it is true is what's important, in the big scheme of things setting Presidential elections aside.  What seems important to me is that we understand these things do happen, and the reasons why, and don't immediately start telling ourselves why they couldn't possibly have happened though it would be comforting to believe it, and we try to find common ground as to how to address it, outside the current politically charged atmosphere. Doesn't matter if you're D or R or liberal or conservative or even if you're a parent - I'm not - but this just seems so vitally important to me.   And so I'm just hoping when you re-read this story (if you do) and later when you talk with your daughters about it - and I'm sure you're a good dad who will be doing that - you won't focus on its truth or falsity but will keep as much of the rest of this is mind as you can in framing your teaching to your children.  Or if you can't maybe someone else can.

Believe it or not, I haven't even had a single glass of wine tonight, so I can't blame drunkenness for posting this. :)   Thanks for indulging me.

 
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krista4 said:
Plus on a "lesser" scale (words only), the partner at my firm who, when I stood up after a meeting with him, asked me if I'd left a wet spot on the chair.  

The 65-year-old married CEO of a client, whose IPO I had just completed and, after our closing dinner in NY, called me in the middle of the night in my hotel room to invite me over for some bellinis in his room (what an odd drink choice, by the way).   

The CFO of a different company with whom I had to share an office for a period of months because we were working so closely on his company's IPO, and he simply moved into my office and we worked pretty well together for a while though I had some hesitation - just little things like touching me too much or too intimately, which now I realize no touching should be been OK, or making some weird statements that I just laughed off because what else was I going to do - I was a professional and we needed to get the IPO done and I was the person who could best do it and that was my job, you know - and I continued to ignore until one day I accidentally said exclaimed the word "####!" (f word) because of some obstacle we'd come to unexpectedly, and then immediately apologized to the CFO, because I'm a professional and that's not professional and this is an important client, and he said, in a soothing voice, something along the lines of "Don't worry.  It's not a bad word.  You know that can really be a beautiful word." and then proceeded to start telling me in detail about how and why it was beautiful and that was it.  Cut him off - politely, gently, laughing it off as if I just thought it was a joke so that I could give him an out because I was a professional and this was an important client - and shortly after I made an excuse to leave my office and went to the senior partner's office and asked, without telling him what had happened - because I'm a professional - but just vaguely mentioning that CFO were having some trouble working together due to the proximity and that we might have a more productive relationship and get the IPO done better if we had some more space, and the partner told me that it would be great if I could just hang in there instead because we were only a few months from launching the IPO and surely I could just deal with it until then.

And I did.  You know why.

I've never considered myself a "victim" of anything - which would likely be much to the consternation of many feminists, with whom I might be very aligned on most things but not on this.  Nothing I just typed felt cathartic or "necessary"; I'm not traumatized nor am I "triggered" by any of these stories coming out.  Never felt angry at any of these guys - including the partner who blew me off, because I blamed myself for not being assertive enough - or the "wet spot" guy, who is actually a Facebook friend of mine though as you might imagine not quite a friend, and maybe I should let him know that's not OK but I likely never will - and I never asked for or needed an apology but only wanted to figure out how to make it stop without making waves, because I'm a professional and...you get it.  Not for a second considered any "big" action, though I shared some of these experiences - and others - with friends whom I could trust, oddly enough all of them being guy friends.  

None of it makes me special or unusual or having particularly bad luck or anything.  Believe me that I'm not enticing to men in any special way such that they just can't help themselves.  I've just assumed all women experienced this (an assumption that is sadly seeming more and more true) and it was just some of the price we pay.  After all, assuming I could get over the belief that it was my fault, I had to believe that if it was happening so much to me - relatively successful, perceived correctly or incorrectly as very strong, in a position to mess with careers of some fairly "important" people - I am alarmed to think how much it happens to those who are not in positions of any power, who are more vulnerable.

In other words, if you think I'm posting something highly personal, my point in this regard is that it's not personal to me.  Not at all.  

Again, I can't claim this particular woman's story is true.  I don't think whether it is true is what's important, in the big scheme of things setting Presidential elections aside.  What seems important to me is that we understand these things do happen, and the reasons why, and don't immediately start telling ourselves why they couldn't possibly have happened though it would be comforting to believe it, and we try to find common ground as to how to address it, outside the current politically charged atmosphere. Doesn't matter if you're D or R or liberal or conservative or even if you're a parent - I'm not - but this just seems so vitally important to me.   And so I'm just hoping when you re-read this story (if you do) and later when you talk with your daughters about it - and I'm sure you're a good dad who will be doing that - you won't focus on its truth or falsity but will keep as much of the rest of this is mind as you can in framing your teaching to your children.  Or if you can't maybe someone else can.

Believe it or not, I haven't even had a single glass of wine tonight, so I can't blame drunkenness for posting this. :)   Thanks for indulging me.
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Bellinis are weird.

 
krista4 said:
Right?  Should have known right then...well, that and the whole creepy middle-of-the-night call.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that he told me what he was wearing.  Not-much-of-a-plot-twist:  he wasn't.
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You probably dressed inappropriately which made him want it.  

 
bananafish said:
Something good has to come out of this whole mess, right?
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WTF isn't good about this whole mess?    I mean, a total ####### is getting his comeuppance, a dysfunctional political party is collapsing, the mouth-breathers and toadies are humiliating themselves as they attempt to defend the #######, I mean, it's like puppies and kittens cuddling together under a rainbow.

Granted, there is the whole "President Hillary Clinton" thing, but that's why I voted for Sanders in the primary.

 
bananafish said:
One of the better posts I've read on here. The long one I mean. Thank you Krista.

I have no doubt that this kind of behavior happens all over the country at probably most, if not all, companies. I've seen it at mine. Not groping or kissing, but just off-key sexual remarks that were brushed off. And these were in front of an audience. I'm sure much worse goes on behind closed doors.

If there's one good thing that comes out of this thus-far deplorable election cycle maybe it's that we all become a little more aware of this kind of thing and do what we can to ensure it's made clear that it is unacceptable. I myself feel more than a tinge of guilt that I've never said anything--a lot of these kind of folks are bosses after all--but I sure will going forward.

I'm reminded of a post (by I think MacArtist) that made me rethink my up until then "shrug" attitude regarding gay marriage and gay rights. Just opened my eyes to something I didn't think merited much thought prior to that post.

Something good has to come out of this whole mess, right?
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I hope your optimism turns out to be warranted.

You made a point that my long post left out - believe it or not, much was left out - which is the effect it can have when done in front of others.  The only person I ever confronted about this behavior was the CFO, same Fortune 50 company previously alluded to.  He just went through this crescendo of increasingly inappropriate behavior toward me, but again never something awful, but what was worst about his was he'd do it in front of other people.  He'd touch me and make comments that I swear almost made me think we were having an affair but I'd somehow forgotten, all in front of Board members, the CEO and others on down.  And that's why I had to be more aggressive in stopping it, because it not only evidenced he wasn't taking me seriously, but I feared it would cause others to have the same reaction.

And what's weird to me about this one is I really liked the guy, enjoyed working with him, and we had a great working relationship, except for this...I know that sounds ludicrous.  Same with the GC I mentioned.

I reached my breaking point when we were in a big meeting - not a board meeting but the CEO and other executives, about 15 people.  I was wearing a dress and boots.  Although I shouldn't have to, I feel compelled to say not sexy boots (unless you think all boots are sexy), not stilettos, just more like riding boots that came to just below the knee.  I was already seated when he came in, and he plopped down next to me, of course, despite an empty chair next to the CEO which is where by unwritten understanding he should have sat, and I noticed that the other people noticed and then he looked me up and down, grabbed my knee, and said in a too-loud whisper, "Nice boots.  If you know what I mean."  It was clear everyone had heard, and I wanted to disappear - or maybe just quietly quit my job because how would any of these people ever take me seriously now.  It wasn't the worst thing he'd done, but the setting... 

I had to confront it then, or literally just get another job.  Showed up at his office and asked if we could talk, and when I closed the door I got about half a sentence out before he stopped me and said, "I know.  I get it."  It was clear to me that he did, he actually did, and though he didn't exactly apologize I'd like to believe regretted it all, and for the life of me I was never able to see him as a bad person.  He never did anything inappropriate again, and so maybe in the solutions for this we can acknowledge the fact that there are ways, in some but not all situations with some but not all people, to address it directly, and how to do that, and what to do if you can't or if you can but it doesn't work. 

 
There ain't gonna be no libel lawsuit. Trump wouldn't enjoy discovery very much. All those Apprentice out takes would be only the beginning. 

But more broadly, how can anyone doubt this is true?

TRUMP: I like to sexually molest women. 

WOMEN: It's true, he does. 

TRUMP: They're lying. 

 
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One of the strangest aspects about this election is the fact that at the same time that Trump supporters (and Republicans in general) believe that times are terrible, Obama has a 55% approval rating. This simply makes no sense. If I were a historian trying to predict the rise of a populist, demagogue candidate like Trump (or the Tea Party that preceded it) I would have also predicted a severe economic downturn and a current President with approval ratings in the low 30s or below. We have neither of those factors yet we still have Trump.
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It is odd, but then again Obama is the most polarizing President in my memory too. If you don't approve of him, you hate him and consider him among the worst Presidents ever. Approve/disapprove is a binary measurement, but the truth is that our attitudes are anything BUT binary. We (usually) approve of some decisions and actions and disapprove of others, and two people can come to a general decision of "approve" in general without agreeing on many of the specific decisions/actions. So it is now. Most of the approves for Obama are not blanket approvals, but a general approval...basically approving more decisions/actions then not, and approving of the overal job. When we disaprove of a President, it's usually similar, not a blanket disapproval of EVERY decision and action. Right now, there are MILLIONS of people who have bought into a right wing propaganda attack that has criticized EVERY decision, EVERY move by Obama (and Hillary). IN the eyes of these folks, Obama  and Hillary have NEVER made a single decision they approve of. It's not logical, and it's not reasonable...heck it requires them to lie to themselves at times (or remain woefully misinformed), but it's the truth. Obama, to them, is the WORST President ever, and has done NOTHING right. Most of us on the left never felt that way about any Republican President. Bush Jr never was hated that way. We generally approved of many of his moves, even if our overall conclusion was one of disapproval. There's a very unique dynamic going on today that I'm not so sure has existed since the dawn of the civil war.

 
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The Future Champs said:
What color were the boots?   This is important.
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:lmao:   Black.  Not sure where that falls on the "was she asking for it" continuum.

I really appreciate you guys, the ones who've commented either to say something nice or to make a joke.  This has been one of the funniest threads ever, so I'll quit my story-telling now and get back to the :lmao:

 
krista4 said:
:lmao:   Black.  Not sure where that falls on the "was she asking for it" continuum.

I really appreciate you guys, the ones who've commented either to say something nice or to make a joke.  This has been one of the funniest threads ever, so I'll quit my story-telling now and get back to the :lmao:
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Black is good.  Stilettos would be even better.   But I digress...

 
The below statement denying sexual assault is very odd and even ironic in that it may have been in part crafted by Roger Ailes. Who was fired for something like 20 alleged instances at Fox. Employing a serial assaulter as the mouth piece to deny assault is a lot like when the Trump operation trotted out the campaign adviser/surrogate with the thick Russian accent named BORIS to deny there was any connection or involvement between Russia and the campaign.    



- October 12, 2016 -



Trump Campaign Statement


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-campaign-statement3

“This entire article is fiction, and for the New York Times to launch a completely false, coordinated character assassination against Mr. Trump on a topic like this is dangerous. To reach back decades in an attempt to smear Mr. Trump trivializes sexual assault, and it sets a new low for where the media is willing to go in its efforts to determine this election. {{Isn't this pretty much EXACTLY what Trump did Sunday night, just brazenly hypocritical?}}

"It is absurd to think that one of the most recognizable business leaders on the planet with a strong record of empowering women in his companies would do the things alleged in this story, and for this to only become public decades later in the final month of a campaign for president should say it all. {{Idiotic argument, Trump himself gloated that it was precisely BECAUSE he was a "star" he could commit the definition of sexual assault and get away with it}} 

"Further, the Times story buries the pro-Clinton financial and social media activity on behalf of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, reinforcing that this truly is nothing more than a political attack. This is a sad day for the Times.” - Jason Miller, Senior Communications Advisor {{Wasn't the Sunday pre-debate publicity stunt a political attack to deflect from Trump's descriptions of sexual assault relentlessly dominating the news cycle for days, as well as embarrassing, potentially campaign-dooming reports of party leaders disgustedly rebuking and abandoning him by the dozens, unprecedented in US political history?}}  

 
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krista4 said:
:lmao:   Black.  Not sure where that falls on the "was she asking for it" continuum.

I really appreciate you guys, the ones who've commented either to say something nice or to make a joke.  This has been one of the funniest threads ever, so I'll quit my story-telling now and get back to the :lmao:
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Also digressing...

Finally thru-hiked the Enchantments last week.   Awesome.  

 
Man in the yellow hat said:
And why do you think this is Mr. Gray? Could is possibly be because it's been proven time and time again that most mainstream media hates Donald Trump and would love nothing more than to destroy him? Name one mainstream media outlet that has come out in support of Trump? The fact is, the mainstream media leans left. It's been proven time and time again.

In addition, you now have sites like Huffington Post that have long ceased even trying to be impartial. http://www.poynter.org/2016/why-every-huffpost-article-about-donald-trump-calls-him-a-liar/394021/

In addition it's also common knowledge that Facebook has censored right leaning stories news feeds.

These aren't conspiracy theories. If the 'media' is going to go that hard at Trump, with no journalistic integrity, then expect there to be push back from other 'media' outlets. It only makes sense doesn't it?

I guess it depend on which version of the truth you want to believe doesn't it, because I don't see anyone 'reporting' the news at this time.
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Were you watching main-stream media 4 months ago? I was. They were pretty neutral on Trump then. Of course, then Trump started censoring them, putting them in odd places, refusing to allow them to travel with him, accusing them in his speeches, villifying the press.

Trump has had an antagonistic attitude towards the press FROM DAY ONE. And they tried to stay neutral. BUt then...one story after another. ONe STUPID statement after another, attacking respected GOP leaders, POWs, war-heros, mocking disabled....etc....etc....etc.

The "leftist media" does hate Trump now, but so do a LOT of Americans. He's earned that hatred. What's unfair is to complain about it now when your candidate UNFAIRLY complained about it 4 months ago when he was getting all that free publicity.

 
krista4 said:
"Nice boots.  If you know what I mean."  
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I would be all "No, I don't know what you mean if you mean something other than 'Nice boots' when you say 'Nice boots'.  But kudos for figuring out that you can creepily sexualize just about any statement by adding 'if you know what I mean' on the end."

"I'll have the chili, if you know what I mean."
"The Jiffy Lube guys forgot to change the oil filter, if you know what I mean"
"I've never trusted people who keep lizards as pets, if you know what I mean"


 

 
Courtjester said:
You guys are peaking too soon..just saying. 

7-10 days from now would have been the window for optimum impact. 

All it takes is one big Clinton bombshell to drop in that same time frame and this is all forgotten and you guys know it. Couple that with (as I have suggested in earlier posts) the media needing a big election night rating bonanza for their networks, you will see them try and make this seem like Clinton could be in trouble for something. It is a fine line, you know. 

American voters have the attention span of gnats when it comes down to it. 
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I'm offering 10-to-1 odds. Sounds like you would want to take them. Unless this is just hot air?

 
shader said:
Shocking moment of election number 576.

Republicans believe the Clinton accusers and think the Trump accusers are lying.

Democrsts think the Clinton accusers are lying and believe the Trump accusers.
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WEren't almost all of the CLinton women consensual? I realize there's a rape allegation, but most were ordinary affairs, no?

WIth Trump, we've had a few old stories of unwated advances, then a tape, and now 8 accusers in TWO DAYS talking about unwanted advances, and a couple of them underaged at the time?

There's little doubt Bill was a womanizer, and powerful men who are also womanizers are going to be targets of these kinds of allegations, but there seems to be more, and darker, stuff arising about Trump.

 
renesauz said:
WEren't almost all of the CLinton women consensual? I realize there's a rape allegation, but most were ordinary affairs, no?

WIth Trump, we've had a few old stories of unwated advances, then a tape, and now 8 accusers in TWO DAYS talking about unwanted advances, and a couple of them underaged at the time?

There's little doubt Bill was a womanizer, and powerful men who are also womanizers are going to be targets of these kinds of allegations, but there seems to be more, and darker, stuff arising about Trump.
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Deliberately walking into a changing room filled with underage beauty contestants is the definition of "creeper".

 
tonydead said:
The only way to know for sure is to take a vote.  But until November 8th the best we have is who people say they are voting for, not immediate reactions from an unscientific/un-statistical sampling of an audience set up by a specific network.  If the claim is Hillary won the debate and the locker room, the two significant events that happened this week, you'd expect that to show up in the numbers.  What other variables, including variance, could possible affect the numbers as much as those two events?
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Election Update: Post-Debate Polls Show Trump Still In Big Trouble

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-post-debate-polls-show-trump-still-in-big-trouble/

We’re spending a lot of time these days diagnosing whether Donald Trump’s position in the polls is merely bad or still getting worse. Most of the evidence on Wednesday — which included the first dusting of state polls since the second presidential debate, on Sunday night — fell into the “still getting worse” bucket. Trump’s chances are down to 14 percent in our polls-only forecast (against an 86 percent chance for Hillary Clinton) and to 17 percent, a record low for Trump, in our polls-plus forecast.

 
shader said:
You guys with your fancy numbers are forgetting one thing.  The next Wikileaks email leak.  It's gonna be THE ONE.
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But why wouldn't they have released a kill shot-type leak already if they have it? Because they probably don't have one (votes are already going out while Trump is being laid waste by his own missteps, what are they waiting for?). The only possible answer I could think of, they wouldn't want to give too much time for the public to process and get over it. Timing it closer to election day could create more chaos and disarray? 

 
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