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Grace Under Pressure said:
But that's not your fault, right? You voted for neither, so you get to complain no matter what, and tell us all "I told you so"? Pretty comfortable position there, must be nice.

Often times I just want to say "f you" to things too. The system, the candidates, society, my job. But I do the responsible thing, even if it's not an easy choice, or the "less worse" choice. I'll do that for my daughter, and all the other daughters. Maybe even yours.
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Every July 4th, we celebrate the men who said "f you". It was the responsible thing to do. 

 
renesauz said:
I've long held myself relatively neutral on this subject. I have zero issue with early term abortion, and a lot of issues with late term abortion except under the most extreme circumstances (fetus unviable with significant defects or extreme danger to the mother). The danger to the mother caveat is a red herring though, because late term dangers to the mother can almost always be solved via a normal c-section and rarely would require a true abortion.

But using birth as the moment when rights start is more about convenience then common sense. If the baby is fully viable and no longer needs the support of the mother's uterus to survive, why is that life less worthy than one that has passed the birth canal? And does the born baby truly need less support? Can it feed itself, warm itself, ambulate? The truth is that the newborn requires MORE support from the someone than the fetus in the uterus. Certainly not all rights can be guaranteed in the womb, but ZERO rights is not logical either.

I don't think I'm alone in the idea that early term is OK, late term should be illegal (excepting fetus is unviable), and mid-term is ......uncomfortable. One can be pro-choice while open to discussions about reasonable restrictions. The difficulty is that pro-lifers in general aren't really looking for reasonable restrictions but outright bans. So we need to have this discussion among pro-choicers and recognize the rage they have over this issue. We can take their position into account while keeping the essence of free choice intact without being snarky or demeaning to their very real and (mostly) reasonable objections.
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Without getting into too much detail, I think that society could begin to grant rights at any number of places (and that the Roe v. Wade framework, which allows regulation in the third trimester makes as much sense as any).  But I also think that birth makes sense.  All rights get granted arbitrarily.  We can't drive and then we can.  We can't vote or drink, and then we can.  Because our development is a continuing progression and not some punctuated event, those limits are arbitrary.

Birth has historically been the threshold for a lot of reasons.  One of which is that we weren't biologically sophisticated enough to know how developed/non developed a fetus was in the womb.  One of which is because religious authorities were split over when the "soul" manifests itself (us atheists might use the term "consciousness" instead).  When I mention the fetus is entirely dependent on the mother as a possible justification, I'm not drawing the distinction based on the helplessness of the fetus.  I'm doing so based upon the fact that the burden is borne exclusively by the mother.  Newborns require a lot of care, but a lot of people can provide that care.  The father.  The grandparents.  State agencies. When the fetus is in utero, only one person is burdened.  The mother. 

 
Coeur de Lion said:
No, I get that -- what doesn't make sense is thinking that a vote in a Presidential race is going to make any kind of difference, and more specifically, thinking that voting for Trump in this election somehow could potentially make a difference. As I mentioned earlier, we had a conservative majority on the SC for decades, and Roe still stands. The President really doesn't have anything at all to do with the legality / illegality of abortion.
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Would you vote for somebody who believes murder is OK? Regardless of whether or not they had any real power to do anything about the murders?

I'm not a fan of single-issue voters, but it's pretty easy to see how, for some people, THIS single issue would dominate.

 
BTW, I actually had to work today so a bit behind the every other second news cycle... Did Ivanka sorta distance herself from her father and say she's not a surrogate.  Asking honestly, just heard a tidbit on news and was like, what?

 
Coeur de Lion said:
I'd say 80 / 20 -- his tiny hands could barely hold the knife.
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Although the fundamentals are on Clinton's side this year, 19 of the past 28 presidential knife-fights (dating back to 1904, when the practice was introduced by Theodore Roosevelt) have been won by the candidate with the longer reach. I would say Silver is wise to include a high degree of uncertainty in his model, given this conflicting evidence.

The Princeton Election Consortium, on the other hand, has her at 98% to win.

 
bananafish said:
She just said she didn't like the term surrogate as it doesn't portray how deep their relationship runs with her being his daughter and all. If it's being portrayed as "distancing" they are seeing something that wasn't there imo.
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Thanks. And yes, it was. 

Damn liberal media. 

 
I WENT UNDERCOVER INTO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN… AND COULDN’T BELIEVE WHAT I FOUND
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https://medium.com/@scottshapiro34/i-went-undercover-into-the-trump-campaign-and-couldnt-believe-what-i-found-5472a2f30b47#.99h4o0s4i

- So this is kind of an amazing deep dive into an Arizona Trump campaign field office. I've worked at campaign offices like this (volunteer) and they're fun typically because of the people you meet and hopefully there is some cause you're interested in and you get civically engaged and all that, but usually there are some serious campaign officials who will be working there and it's serious business when they are around and kind of exciting. You learn a lot. But the amateurs stand aside and kind of handle the menial labor.

This... does not sound like that. This does not sound like any election HQ I've ever visited or heard of or read about.

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My paranoia/level of frustration only rose the next day when I opened the LA times to read an article all about the Long Beach office! How… wha? I was furious, but now more determined then ever to go back.

But when I did, there was no “big-league” ground game to be found. This office was strictly the minors. Neither of the tiny, two staff operation had ever run a campaign office before. And it showed… they were selling yard signs for 25 bucks a pop when they should be given out for free for ####’s sake!
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- Yes they're selling yard signs. For 25 bucks.

 
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PS: If he were my dad, I guess I'd have to go with the "I love him and he has an awesome heart.  But, the guys a little batty at this point, ya know.  Just let him rant a while and peter out, and it will be all cool"

Hardly an easy spot to be in. Worse yet, their entire business "empire" (empire incl a lot of failed or failing cheating enterprises) is predicated on the Trump brand.  As Trump's daughter, her future earnings. not just her name, are quite literally at stake and at risk here.  Hell, that's all the company is at this point. They lend their name, their brand. They don't actually create much wealth I don't think. I mean, what positive new real estate deals has he done? I know of 2-3 ones that finally died out up here.  

So, if Trump kills the general appeal of his name, ESPECIALLY for wealthy people (ya know, educated, a lotta them white folks, decisions to spend being made by the woman/wife for real estate and travel for much of it), it's not just her dad, it's likely a permanent dent in that brand's value. I'd imagine it's already tarnished beyond compare (at least for a long, long while) in terms of what Trump used to represent.  Is his new media channel going to make up for all that? Or will Donald get what he wants in his final chapter in public life being a worshipped demigod with his own TV station, rampant sychophants around the country... even if that means alienating the core demographics that supported his luxury oriented brands for decades? Or maybe he just wants to build excitement for the relaunch of Trump steaks.

While Ivanka (and her seemingly dumber, by a long shot, siblings who seem pretty much like typical clueless rich kids) gets the remnants of a tainted brand, when the brand is the core business, itself.  Oof. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
https://medium.com/@scottshapiro34/i-went-undercover-into-the-trump-campaign-and-couldnt-believe-what-i-found-5472a2f30b47#.99h4o0s4i

- So this is kind of an amazing deep dive into an Arizona Trump campaign field office. I've worked at campaign offices like this (volunteer) and they're fun typically because of the people you meet and hopefully there is some cause you're interested in and you get civically engaged and all that, but usually there are some serious campaign officials who will be working there and it's serious business when they are around and kind of exciting. You learn a lot. But the amateurs stand aside and kind of handle the menial labor.

This... does not sound like that. This does not sound like any election HQ I've ever visited or heard of or read about.

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- Yes they're selling yard signs. For 25 bucks.
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They get to keep $5 bucks for each one sold, and if they reach the $500 goal, get a free Trump Tie and tee shirt. 

The remainder goes to charity.  Namely, the Charitable Trust of Donald Trump, Inc. 

 
Donald Trump said in a 2006 speech he wished former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was a "#####," according to archived video reviewed by CNN's KFile.
The New York Daily News had reported in 2006 that Trump had told an audience at a Learning Annex convention speech, "Condoleezza Rice, she's a lovely woman, but I think she's a b**ch. She goes around to other countries and other nations, negotiates with their leaders, comes back and nothing ever happens."
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/rice-trump-2006-comments/index.html
 
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Here's just one example: so Trump hears that Hillary's tech team used "BleachBit" software to delete her emails. Ok, when Trump gets a hold of that he claims that Hillary "acid washed" her emails. Because you know bleach is involved.
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So Trump is as ignorant of chemistry as he is of disk-cleanup software. Bleach is pretty strongly the opposite of acidic.

 
culdeus said:
Trump hasn't prepared for any of the debates, and won't start now. The format of this debate doesn't play to his strengths, if there was one it would have been the last one and he got no bounce from it.  The thought he could somehow take this moment, and own it and flip the whole election is stupid. The only thing that could flip this election is it comes out that Hillary ordered murders and is caught on video doing so.  
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So you're saying there's a chance

 
Sconch said:
Is "defining moment" Esperanto for "taking a giant, runny crap all over the stage"?  Because if it is, I agree.
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Hope springs eternal?

I know Stat is shtick, but it's honestly amazing how before every major or minor event Trump's involved in, you hear from his fans about the coming pivots and how he is about to do something wondrous and presidential. It's almost like Memento, where  every previous moment is forgotten and what comes next is going to be incredible. 

When my cousin gets drunk, yells and pukes on someone every holiday, I don't think beforehand "yep, this is the year he saves the whole holiday and brings peace to the world." I usually just make sure I'm out of the splash zone. 

 
3C's said:
Bob is trying to kill me! :banned:
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Kind of cool the thread reaching 1,000 pages coincides with the fateful day of the culminating third debate.

Yeah 3C, pretty sure linguistic usage analysis would reveal he uses disaster more than *AND* or *THE*. :)  After the formalities are dispensed with, doubtful he can make it through more than three free wheeling sentences answering a policy-related question without uttering the word *DISASTER*.  

Clinton

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2126/1501712951_0cdd4de61e.jpg

Trump

http://giphy.com/gifs/christopher-walken-the-deer-hunter-j2QqA4o41kPKw

* Trump had a portrait cameo in a recent film (Red Dragon) 

http://www.book530.com/paintingpic/27012/William-Blake-The-Great-Red-Dragon.jpg 

 
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