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Still doubt Donald J Trump truly ever wanted to be POTUS.  One of the hardest jobs in the world and literally will take years off your life.

 
tonydead said:
There is no such thing as illegal steel.  The federal regulation for Buy America only applies to construction projects that are federally funded.  Private construction projects, like hotels and casinos, can buy their steel from wherever they choose.   And guess what 100% of the time they will buy from the lowest cost producer.  There is nothing illegal about that practice and there is certainly nothing illegal about the steel itself.  
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What parts of this article (and countless in the same vein) are untrue?  It says Trump could be charged.

 
tonydead said:
Just wanted to post in the thread that I claimed Trump won the second debate that I thought Clinton clearly won this debate.  Weird that folks like CNN has this as Donald's best debate, I think he failed on a lot of points he won on in the second debate here, a debate he needed to have a knock out in.  Hillary Clinton our next president.

I was waiting until after all the debates to decide for sure who to cast my vote for, and I gave Hillary every opportunity.  Congratulations Gary Johnson you get my wasted vote.  I just can't vote for the Hilmonster, so many of her talking points are complete lies.  Case in point, something I consider myself an expert in the industry on:  There is no such thing as illegal steel.  The federal regulation for Buy America only applies to construction projects that are federally funded.  Private construction projects, like hotels and casinos, can buy their steel from wherever they choose.   And guess what 100% of the time they will buy from the lowest cost producer.  There is nothing illegal about that practice and there is certainly nothing illegal about the steel itself.  
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Did she say anything about illegal steel?  She mentioned illegal dumping of steel, which is unrelated to Buy America. I'm not sure if "illegal" is necessarily the right word because it's not a criminal act, but it happens and it's regulated by the Department of Commerce who is empowered to take action to prevent it or penalize it. 

Here's the Clinton answer I think you're referring to:

CLINTON: Well, first, let me say, number one, when I saw the final agreement for TPP, I said I was against it. It didn't meet my test. I've had the same test. Does it create jobs, raise incomes, and further our national security? I'm against it now. I'll be against it after the election. I'll be against it when I'm president.

There's only one of us on this stage who's actually shipped jobs to Mexico, because that's Donald. He's shipped jobs to 12 countries, including Mexico.

But he mentioned China. And, you know, one of the biggest problems we have with China is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum into our markets. I have fought against that as a senator. I've stood up against it as secretary of state.

Donald has bought Chinese steel and aluminum. In fact, the Trump Hotel right here in Las Vegas was made with Chinese steel. So he goes around with crocodile tears about how terrible it is, but he has given jobs to Chinese steelworkers, not American steelworkers.
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I don't see a lie there :shrug:

 
tonydead said:
Just wanted to post in the thread that I claimed Trump won the second debate that I thought Clinton clearly won this debate.  Weird that folks like CNN has this as Donald's best debate, I think he failed on a lot of points he won on in the second debate here, a debate he needed to have a knock out in.
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So the clown show antics, personal attacks, and name calling in the second debate resonated with you more than actual discussion of policy differences in the third? Sheesh.

 
JZilla said:
What parts of this article (and countless in the same vein) are untrue?  It says Trump could be charged.
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I also think that it's important to be clear about Hillary said.  She said that Donald has used steel that was illegally dumped (which is a finding by the International Trade Commission).  Essentially, it was imported into this country while circumventing the existing tariff on steel and placed into the market.  She didn't say that Donald "illegally bought" that steel.  Your article mentioned some laws designed to punish those who circumvent the process but enforcement at the ITC is focused on enjoining the importation of the illegal item, not criminal penalties on buyers. 

Trump defenders, as with his taxes, can point out that his tactics are presumptively legal.  But that isn't really the point.  This is a guy who for 40 years has taken advantage of every provision without concern of how those loopholes affect the working class (like US Steelworkers).  For him to now declare himself suddenly, at 70 years old, the champion of that working class is just silly. 

 
I hope "No puppet. No puppet. You're the puppet! No, you're the puppet!" doesn't get lost in the shuffle. Such a great moment.
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I really hope Alec Baldwin brings out an actual puppet and starts talking to it like Señor Wences.

 
tonydead said:
I just can't vote for the Hilmonster, so many of her talking points are complete lies.  Case in point, something I consider myself an expert in the industry on:  There is no such thing as illegal steel.  The federal regulation for Buy America only applies to construction projects that are federally funded.  Private construction projects, like hotels and casinos, can buy their steel from wherever they choose.   And guess what 100% of the time they will buy from the lowest cost producer.  There is nothing illegal about that practice and there is certainly nothing illegal about the steel itself.  
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The legality issue is the "price dumping" practice used by the Chinese to influence international markets. And I imagine the issue is even far more complicated than that, so while technically you can say buying that steel is not illegal, it is supporting an illegal practice. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
I hope "No puppet. No puppet. You're the puppet!  No, you're the puppet!" doesn't get lost in the shuffle.  Such a great moment.
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I've joked many times that Kellyanne Conway has "I know you are, but what am I?" written in big letters on the whiteboard in her office.  So I was weirdly proud that Clinton baited Trump into an "I know you are, but what am I?" during a debate.  I hit pause on the TV to send out a social media post with Trump's quote over a picture of Fozzie Bear.

 
JZilla said:
What parts of this article (and countless in the same vein) are untrue?  It says Trump could be charged.
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Illegal importing of steel is a completely different accusation than a construction project purchasing foreign steel.  That's my point.  Saying Trump used shell companies to practice illegal importing of steel just so he could save $0.50 a ton for his hotels is as silly as saying he hangs out with and conspires with Putin.  It's a giant red herring.  

 
tonydead said:
Illegal importing of steel is a completely different accusation than a construction project purchasing foreign steel.  That's my point.  Saying Trump used shell companies to practice illegal importing of steel just so he could save $0.50 a ton for his hotels is as silly as saying he hangs out with and conspires with Putin.  It's a giant red herring.  
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Hillary has never said any of those things.

 
tonydead said:
Illegal importing of steel is a completely different accusation than a construction project purchasing foreign steel.  That's my point.  Saying Trump used shell companies to practice illegal importing of steel just so he could save $0.50 a ton for his hotels is as silly as saying he hangs out with and conspires with Putin.  It's a giant red herring.  
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She didn't say this as far as I know.

I posted the text I think you're referring to. If I was wrong you can find the rest of the transcript here.  Can you show us the "lie" you're talking about?

 
TobiasFunke said:
Did she say anything about illegal steel?  She mentioned illegal dumping of steel, which is unrelated to Buy America. I'm not sure if "illegal" is necessarily the right word because it's not a criminal act, but it happens and it's regulated by the Department of Commerce who is empowered to take action to prevent it or penalize it. 

Here's the Clinton answer I think you're referring to:

I don't see a lie there :shrug:
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This 

Donald has bought Chinese steel and aluminum. In fact, the Trump Hotel right here in Las Vegas was made with Chinese steel.
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has nothing to do with this

one of the biggest problems we have with China is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum into our markets.
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It really can't be any simpler than that.  Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally.  

 
LittlePhatty said:
The legality issue is the "price dumping" practice used by the Chinese to influence international markets. And I imagine the issue is even far more complicated than that, so while technically you can say buying that steel is not illegal, it is supporting an illegal practice. 
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Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally. 

 
Paulymaggs said:
Still doubt Donald J Trump truly ever wanted to be POTUS.  One of the hardest jobs in the world and literally will take years off your life.
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I wish we actually had good candidates for a change, but I 100% agree. I think it was more like hit previous "attempt" that never went anywhere. I think he figured worst case scenario is the Trump brand gets billions in unpaid advertising. I don't think he ever wanted to win. This isn't like Bloomberg who spent tons of his own money because he wanted to be mayor. Trump is along for the ride. This is his Kardashian sex tape and it is sad that people are eating it up on the Republican side. This was the year to win if they could put up a reasonably good candidate, instead they put up Trump. Pretty sure there are tons of GOP folks now clearly regretting the support they gave him.

 
mr. furley said:
Kaine was interviewed on NPR this morning, gave the interview i expected.. hit the talking points.. bashed Trump, etc.

but he said something that gave me a great visual.

to paraphrase, Gore stepped aside in 2000 despite questions about the results post-election... Trump is attacking the results before the election even takes place. he's casting doubt on one of the pillars of American democracy, that we have free, honest political elections unlike many countries around the world.

maybe someone with MS Paint skills can slap together a pic of a naked Trump chained to two pillars, like Samson, tearing down America

at least for my own amusement 
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If you want it to include a dong, I know just the person.

 
tonydead said:
This 

has nothing to do with this

It really can't be any simpler than that.  Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally.  
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Where did she equate them?  It is true that "Donald has bought Chinese steel and aluminum. In fact, the Trump Hotel right here in Las Vegas was made with Chinese steel."  It is a subjective but valid opinion that "one of the biggest problems we have with China is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum into our markets," and it is true that dumping is an illegal trade practice.

I don't see the problem with pointing out the hypocrisy of someone whose business practices fly in the face of his protectionist "America First" political rhetoric. You may think it's not really that important, and I would agree but it's certainly fair game. You keep bringing up Buy America, but that is totally irrelevant to Clinton's comments here.

Also, you said your big problem here is that she lied. Where's the lie? 

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Where did she equate them?  It is true that "Donald has bought Chinese steel and aluminum. In fact, the Trump Hotel right here in Las Vegas was made with Chinese steel."  It is a subjective but valid opinion that "one of the biggest problems we have with China is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum into our markets," and it is true that dumping is an illegal trade practice.

I don't see the problem with pointing out the hypocrisy of someone whose business practices fly in the face of his protectionist "America First" political rhetoric. You may think it's not really that important, and I would agree but it's certainly fair game. You keep bringing up Buy America, but that is totally irrelevant to Clinton's comments here.

Also, you said your big problem here is that she lied. Where's the lie? 
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Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally.

 
tonydead said:
Just wanted to post in the thread that I claimed Trump won the second debate that I thought Clinton clearly won this debate.  Weird that folks like CNN has this as Donald's best debate, I think he failed on a lot of points he won on in the second debate here, a debate he needed to have a knock out in.  Hillary Clinton our next president.

I was waiting until after all the debates to decide for sure who to cast my vote for, and I gave Hillary every opportunity.  Congratulations Gary Johnson you get my wasted vote.  I just can't vote for the Hilmonster, so many of her talking points are complete lies.  Case in point, something I consider myself an expert in the industry on:  There is no such thing as illegal steel.  The federal regulation for Buy America only applies to construction projects that are federally funded.  Private construction projects, like hotels and casinos, can buy their steel from wherever they choose.   And guess what 100% of the time they will buy from the lowest cost producer.  There is nothing illegal about that practice and there is certainly nothing illegal about the steel itself.  
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I think it's weird that anyone objectively watching any of the debates think Trump came close to winning any of them.  

We all knew you would never vote for Hillary, so spare us the "I gave her every opportunity" bull####.  If you really were giving her a fair chance, you wouldn't have repeatedly referred to her as "Hillmonster".  (repeat claim of hypocrisy of you crying about name-calling when it's not you who is doing it)

I know next-to-nothing about the steel industry, but I know there are at least two inaccuracies in what you said about it: 1) people don't always buy from the lowest cost producer 100% of the time in any industry, including steel - and 2) dumping of goods in foreign markets to circumvent tariffs is considered illegal, which according to the ITC China is doing in the USA.  

 
tonydead said:
Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally.
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WRONG

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Anybody who would care about the use of an inelegant adjective to describe Hillary Clinton was never voting for Trump anyway.  Do you really think there's a suburban housewife out there who is thinking to herself "Donald was quoted out of context on the whole 'grab them by the #####' thing, and to be fair his daughter really was a nice piece of ###, but his use of the word 'nasty' is a bridge too far!"  Come on.

On the other hand, the part about not accepting the results of an election is -- I think -- completely unprecedented and ought to be (yet another) disqualifier for Trump. 
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I agree with this

This group of ladies sure don't care about the grab them by the ##### thing

https://mic.com/articles/156584/meet-the-women-who-support-donald-trump-even-after-the-trump-tapes-release#.uOKztFTlm

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
I think it's weird that anyone objectively watching any of the debates think Trump came close to winning any of them.  

We all knew you would never vote for Hillary, so spare us the "I gave her every opportunity" bull####.  If you really were giving her a fair chance, you wouldn't have repeatedly referred to her as "Hillmonster".  (repeat claim of hypocrisy of you crying about name-calling when it's not you who is doing it)

I know next-to-nothing about the steel industry, but I know there are at least two inaccuracies in what you said about it: 1) people don't always buy from the lowest cost producer 100% of the time in any industry, including steel - and 2) dumping of goods in foreign markets to circumvent tariffs is considered illegal, which according to the ITC China is doing in the USA.  
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:cry:   You're right you know nothing about the steel industry.  Or much else about anything you usually spout off about.  I could go on about how I was in fact considering the Hilmonster, but I don't give a second thought to what you think nor do I respond to your idiotic posts very often so go blow it out your ###.

 
tonydead said:
Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally.
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I understand all of this.  I'll ask once again:  where's the lie?  She said China illegally dumps steel- is that a lie?  She said Trump used Chinese steel- is that a lie?  Did she say something else about the issue that I missed?  Did she say Trump is in favor of illegal dumping?  As far as I can tell she did not.

I don't understand why you keep bringing up laws regarding federal project limitations. It's irrelevant to this discussion. The topics Clinton raised in the passage in question are clearly illegal dumping and Trump's decision to purchase Chinese steel to build his buildings. You claimed that Clinton lied about this subject, but I'm still waiting for you to point out the lie.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I understand all of this.  I'll ask once again:  where's the lie?  She said China illegally dumps steel- is that a lie?  She said Trump used Chinese steel- is that a lie?  Did she say something else about the issue that I missed?  Did she say Trump is in favor of illegal dumping?  As far as I can tell she did not.

I don't understand why you keep bringing up laws regarding federal project limitations. It's irrelevant to this discussion. The topics Clinton raised in the passage in question are clearly illegal dumping and Trump's decision to purchase Chinese steel to build his buildings. You claimed that Clinton lied about this subject, but I'm still waiting for you to point out the lie.
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Hope you're not holding your breath GB. It's going to be a looooong wait.

 
tonydead said:
Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally.
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Even federally funded projects allow for 1/10th of 1% of the total project cost be towards the purchase of foreign steel.  Larger exceptions are made for military projects under the Buy AmeriaN clause.  All large construction projects buy some amount of foreign steel and that doesn't equate them to supporting illegal importing of foreign steel, that's absurd, the vast amount of foreign steel in this country is imported legally. 

 
I think he will concede and give a fairly straight forward concession speech.  Then 2 days later he'll tweet that it was rigged and keep tweeting about it until people get bored and stop paying attention. It'd be great if the second the election is decided that the media completely stop covering anything he says. Doubt they will but it'd be great if they did.

 
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