Official Donald Trump for President thread (3 Viewers)

[LittlePhatty]

goodness 1000 pages

Says who?!

 

[msommer]

There's a Trump rally scheduled for tomorrow about 15 minutes from my place. Hmmm...

Don't go all Loan Sharks on us

 

[culdeus]

So what was the final word on the steel thing. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And nasty.

Also: horrible.

And a woman.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

i'll forever be fascinated by how people catch on to a statement, turn of phrase, catchphrase, whatever... and then it becomes part of accepted lore without anyone really knowing why.

Hillary is "conniving" and "a liar"

when did that thought take hold? and why is it .... everywhere?

you'll hear people parrot if all over the place but does anyone really know why they're saying it?

Do you believe Hillary when she says that she won't add one penny to the debt?  She's used that exact phrase a couple of times now, so it's not just some off-the-cuff mis-speak.

 

[timschochet]

Trump now says he'll accept the results of the election...if he wins. His fans went crazy when he delivered that line. 

 

[Joe Summer]

She won't add one penny to the debt.....she'll add MILLIONS of them!!

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Do you believe Hillary when she says that she won't add one penny to the debt?  She's used that exact phrase a couple of times now, so it's not just some off-the-cuff mis-speak.

I don't think Hillary will add one penny to the debt.  I think she will add billions of pennies to the debt.  

:rimshot:

ETA:. Dammit.  Too slow.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Trump now ready to accept the results of the election...if he wins. 

That is funny because if Trump somehow is the winner people will yell 'Rigged!'

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Do you believe Hillary when she says that she won't add one penny to the debt?  She's used that exact phrase a couple of times now, so it's not just some off-the-cuff mis-speak.

 Hillary's economic plan makes assumptions.  Under her assumptions (including assumptions for growth that are perhaps more likely than not overly generous) her plan does not add to the deficit.  When all those assumptions are available to outsiders to check, I think it's easy to argue that Hillary is mistaken, or overly-optimistic, but not that she's lying.  Certainly not in the "conniving" sense unless you believe Mitt Romney and pretty much anyone who has ever released an economic plan relying on optimistic growth projections is conniving.  Hillary's growth projections are far less than Trump's (or than Sanders' were). 

 

[urbanhack]

All Trump had to say was:

"If I do actually lose on election day...and I'm confident I won't...but if I do I would respectfully concede to my opponent.  That's how it works in our great democracy."

what a nasty poster

 

[James Daulton]

She won't add one penny to the debt.....she'll add MILLIONS of them!!

Billions actually.

 

[timschochet]

Now that it looks like Trump is surely going to lose, the biggest problem our country faces going forward is this: Trump is still incredibly popular among Republicans, more so than Paul Ryan or any of the establishment figures.

If this is the result of Trump's large personality and charisma, then it's of little concern, because he will go on to other things and our political system can get back to some kind of normal.

BUT- if Trump's popularity is a result of the Republican base having become extreme in terms of nationalism, xenophobia, nativism,and isolationism, then we've got a real dilemma on our hands.

 

[Jeremy]

That is funny because if Trump somehow is the winner people will yell 'Rigged!'

Maybe he knows his Russian buddies are plotting something.  You know most of the time he accuses someone of something it's something he's guilty of.  "Crooked" Hillary, "lying" Ted, "we should be drug tested", etc.  Uh oh. 

 

[James Daulton]

All Trump had to say was:

"If I do actually lose on election day...and I'm confident I won't...but if I do I would respectfully concede to my opponent.  That's how it works in our great democracy."

That is a clear, concise, coherent thought that is obviously outside The Donald's capabilities. 

 

[Bob Magaw]

That's basically what he said last night. He's reserving the right to make the concession decision on election night instead of making it right now. It's pretty much the same answer I'd give, except that I wouldn't preemptively suggest that anything is rigged and therefore wouldn't be asked the question in the first place.

You partly identified the problem. He didn't say these things, which were predictably potentially inflammatory MEDIA PERCEPTION-WISE (i.e. - I'll let you know then, I'll keep you in suspense) in a vacuum. It is coupled with baseless accusations and preemptive face saving rhetoric about how the election is rigged (both media and the voting, tabulating, collection proper).

Like you said, Trump DID say those things (BTW, any thoughts on why he is doing this, seemingly self-destructively, he looks like he is crying foul on a game that has barely started, as far as voting is concerned, other than face saving, it doesn't seem to serve any rational purpose - maybe he thinks it will fire up his supporters to get out to vote more, or possibly the thought process is the notoriety will better position himself for a post-election media career?), and was inevitably asked the question.

Put it this way, if you were A) his campaign manager Conway, B) your intention was to do whatever you could to give your client the best possible chance to win the election, C) you saw the reaction and nearly universal condemnation and D) had a time machine and opportunity for a do over, would you:

Advise him to do exactly what he just did (sorry, time machine and do over opp doesn't extend back far enough to prevent him from all the PRE-DEBATE talk about rigged elections, only about damage control for LAST NIGHT), or why not simply give a CONDITIONAL response - absent evidence of fraud, of course I'll go along. That might have been picked apart, too, but it wouldn't have been as bad. Clearly they must have had an expectation this question could be asked, we can assume he was prepared on it, and it isn't a stretch to think a negative perception and response was predictable, when his own party had been telling him to knock it off with the rigged talk (which it sounds like you agree was wrong), and his own VP, campaign manager and daughter have been saying FOR HIM what he can't say, he will honor the results. I think most wouldn't fault anybody on his team for backpedaling if there is another Gore situation. Again, to sum up, because he didn't state what he said last night in a vacuum, but coupled with the previous seeming anti-Democratic rigged rhetoric, he was seemingly destined or doomed to look bad by following that up with his defiant non-concession stance. If there is violence at the polls or after the election, a lot of people are going to hold Trump accountable for his words and actions.

Serious question, since you are a lawyer (though this probably has nothing to do with your specialty). Hypothetically, if unauthorized Trump election monitors lead to violence because they were following his instructions (and in Philly, PA at least, my understanding is it is illegal if from out of the district they belong to), is that a scenario in which he could be charged?

* Much has been made of the recent video about Clinton inciting riots. But the creator of the video has been previously discredited, I'm not aware of a smoking gun that connects what was said with a direct communication/instruction from Clinton (are we certain he wasn't some kind of rogue agent - somewhat like the controversy surrounding the Birther lie origin), and at any rate, just because Clinton supporters show up to a rally and say things like Trump is a meanie is, I am guessing, insufficient legal footing for some Neanderthals to smash them in the face? There face getting in the way of a fist didn't incite a riot or "cause" violence, that would be a result of latent hostility and aggression of the actual perpetrators, imo. And anyway, none of that would excuse Trump's own encouragement of violence at his revival meetings, and his own statements that he wanted to punch people in the face, etc. Some people are just discovering it (not referring to you obviously), but he has been a FUNDAMENTALLY flawed and unfit temperament clown candidate for a long time - I'm aware many think the same of Clinton, only addressing Trump. This is just the culmination. I get that he is the face and focal point of a lot of anger directed at the establishment and DC, but hopefully next time the Republicans won't choose a carnival fun house mirror that distorts America in racist, sexist and xenophobic directions.          

 

[ericttspikes]

Yup. As I've said many, many times before: other than maybe our average education level, this place represents the worst possible demographics for Clinton. There's plenty of enthusiasm out there for her, just not here. Personally I wouldn't say that I'd be ecstatic about Clinton as our next president, but I'm not ecstatic about any president. The job is chief administrator, not savior.

One thing that is cool for me personally if she wins, though, and there's probably lots of other guys here in a similar boat: I have a one year old daughter and a four year old daughter.  Neither is really old enough to understand the idea of a president or a government yet, although the four year old is close. If all goes well over the next three weeks, the first president they know will be a woman. My girls will be in the first generation of women in this country's history unburdened by any notion of a glass ceiling.  That's kinda cool.

My wife is taking both my daughters (13 and 10) to the polls on Nov. 8 to witness her casting her vote. It's historic.

 

[3C's]

The video section of Trump's FB page has a "subsection" they call TrumpTV. It's in the works, it was all a scam. They also live broadcasted the debate last night...with commercial breaks and everything.

 

[Skoo]

Now that it looks like Trump is surely going to lose, the biggest problem our country faces going forward is this: Trump is still incredibly popular among Republicans, more so than Paul Ryan or any of the establishment figures.

If this is the result of Trump's large personality and charisma, then it's of little concern, because he will go on to other things and our political system can get back to some kind of normal.

BUT- if Trump's popularity is a result of the Republican base having become extreme in terms of nationalism, xenophobia, nativism,and isolationism, then we've got a real dilemma on our hands.

Personally I think whatever shine hasn't worn off yet will do so after he gets smoked next month.

People, especially Trump voters, like backing a winner. When they realize that backing Trump caused them to lose to "Crooked Hillary", I think they'll pull the same thing they did with GWB and suddenly proclaim that they knew he was an idiot all along, in an effort to keep from being embarrassed for supporting a disaster.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

BUT- if Trump's popularity is a result of the Republican base having become extreme in terms of nationalism, xenophobia, nativism,and isolationism, then we've got a real dilemma on our hands.

I think that's much more likely than not.

 

[Thorn]

Now that it looks like Trump is surely going to lose, the biggest problem our country faces going forward is this: Trump is still incredibly popular among Republicans, more so than Paul Ryan or any of the establishment figures.

If this is the result of Trump's large personality and charisma, then it's of little concern, because he will go on to other things and our political system can get back to some kind of normal.

BUT- if Trump's popularity is a result of the Republican base having become extreme in terms of nationalism, xenophobia, nativism,and isolationism, then we've got a real dilemma on our hands.

Interesting, where did you see that?  I wonder if that takes into account the real number of Republicans.  I used to, but don't anymore (though it was well before Trump came along).

 

[trogg78]

She won't add one penny to the debt.....she'll add MILLIONS of them!!

that doesn't sound too bad.

 

[trogg78]

Billions actually.

Still doesn't sound that bad.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The video section of Trump's FB page has a "subsection" they call TrumpTV. It's in the works, it was all a scam. They also live broadcasted the debate last night...with commercial breaks and everything.

I've heard sentiments along these lines lately, and I think he's obviously looking ahead to his next move, but I don't think this was just a promotional scam and nothing more.  I think he genuinely wanted to win and has thought for the better part of a year that he would. This does not look like a man who is totally cool with having just blown his last best chance to win the presidency.

 

[Sammy3469]

Clearly they must have had an expectation this question could be asked, we can assume he was prepared on it, and it isn't a stretch to think a negative perception and response was predictable, when his own party had been telling him to knock it off with the rigged talk (which it sounds like you agree was wrong), and his own VP, campaign manager and daughter have been saying FOR HIM what he can't say, he will honor the results. I think most wouldn't fault anybody on his team for backpedaling if there is another Gore situation. Again, to sum up, because he didn't state what he said last night in a vacuum, but coupled with the previous seeming anti-Democratic rigged rhetoric, he was seemingly destined or doomed to look bad by following that up with his defiant non-concession stance. If there is violence at the polls or after the election, a lot of people are going to hold Trump accountable by his words and actions.

That's the really stupidfying part to me.  Pence was asked the same question 30 minutes before the debate and answered it deftly.  He either can't or won't.

BTW, any chance Pence thinks he has of being the '20 nominee has been flushed down the toilet the past 2 weeks.

 

[3C's]

I've heard sentiments along these lines lately, and I think he's obviously looking ahead to his next move, but I don't think this was just a promotional scam and nothing more.  I think he genuinely wanted to win and has thought for the better part of a year that he would. This does not look like a man who is totally cool with having just blown his last best chance to win the presidency.

I honestly don't think it was a scam either. He's not smart enough to have thought that far ahead.

 

[Sammy3469]

The Alternative to Trump accepting the election if "I win" is priceless.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/789160619320770560

 

[timschochet]

Interesting, where did you see that?  I wonder if that takes into account the real number of Republicans.  I used to, but don't anymore (though it was well before Trump came along).

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/paul-ryan-needs-trump-more-than-trump-needs-ryan/

Trump is more popular among Republicans right now than Ryan is. In the most recent YouGov poll, for example, Trump’s net favorability rating (the percentage of respondents who rate him favorably minus the share who have an unfavorable opinion) among Republican primary voters was +36 percentage points. Ryan’s was just +16 points. Perhaps more telling is that Trump’s “very favorable” rating among this group is 34 percent, while Ryan’s is only 13 percent.

This means two things. First, Ryan really doesn’t have as much credibility among Republicans as Trump does. Second, if forced to choose, Republicans would almost certainly choose Trump over Ryan.

 

[mr. furley]

Do you believe Hillary when she says that she won't add one penny to the debt?  She's used that exact phrase a couple of times now, so it's not just some off-the-cuff mis-speak.

i don't but i'm also..... seasoned?.... enough to realize that it's vapid, empty political talk.

 

[mr. furley]

My wife is taking both my daughters (13 and 10) to the polls on Nov. 8 to witness her casting her vote. It's historic. to fraudulently vote

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I've heard sentiments along these lines lately, and I think he's obviously looking ahead to his next move, but I don't think this was just a promotional scam and nothing more.  I think he genuinely wanted to win and has thought for the better part of a year that he would. This does not look like a man who is totally cool with having just blown his last best chance to win the presidency.

I'm torn, personally. Everything I can infer about his personality tells me that he would want to win at all costs. But then I look at the obvious blunders (keeping the Khans and Alicia Machado in the news for days after they should have faded away), the complete lack of any local presence, the lack of fund raising and spending, etc -- which all tells a very different story. My best guess is that he ran on a lark to increase his visibility, and then became more invested as things went along. It's hard to say.

 

[roadkill1292]

That was really shooting low for a laugh. I laughed.

 

[mr. furley]

My best guess is that he ran on a lark to increase his visibility, and then became more invested as things went along. It's hard to say.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/20/498691090/did-trump-tv-launch-last-night?live=1&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2046

 

[cstu]

I'm torn, personally. Everything I can infer about his personality tells me that he would want to win at all costs. But then I look at the obvious blunders (keeping the Khans and Alicia Machado in the news for days after they should have faded away), the complete lack of any local presence, the lack of fund raising and spending, etc -- which all tells a very different story. My best guess is that he ran on a lark to increase his visibility, and then became more invested as things went along. It's hard to say.

I think the clip of him being flustered was just him knowing he was being embarrassed on stage. 

You don't run a Presidential campaign with virtually no ground game or ads if you are seriously trying to win.

I think it was the bolded.  At some point he actually thought it had a chance to win but he wasn't going to risk his money on it.

 

[Bucky86]

So, what are the Trumpkins plans for election night?

 

[cstu]

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/20/498691090/did-trump-tv-launch-last-night?live=1&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2046

Can't wait for Fox to turn on him if he does make Trump TV happen.

 

[lod001]

So, what are the Trumpkins plans for election night?

I'll be watching him meltdown. It will be the last we see of this great American in the political arena.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

So, what are the Trumpkins plans for election night?

Calling Uncle Cletus to put down the High Life and come to bail them out after being arrested for trying to intimidate brown people at the polling stations probably.

 

[trogg78]

I'll be watching him meltdown. It will be the last we see of this great American in the political arena.

Rove's meltdown last election was classic.  I would love to see something like that again.

 

[rodg12]

This guy has the gall to call someone else crooked?!  Even his realtime donation tracker on his website is fake.

https://twitter.com/jackdanger/status/788957216120254464

 

[Amused to Death]

Rove's meltdown last election was classic.  I would love to see something like that again.

Sean Hannity would be awesome.  See if he starts ripping on the other hosts for not supporting Donald.

 

[Sconch]

So, what are the Trumpkins plans for election night?

http://www.christopherketcham.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PA210892 -- tv shooting.jpg

 

[cstu]

This guy has the gall to call someone else crooked?!  Even his realtime donation tracker on his website is fake.

https://twitter.com/jackdanger/status/788957216120254464

Ben Wright ‏@BenWrightATL 5h5 hours ago
@jackdanger @Forechecker Is there anything about his campaign that isn't a complete sham?

 

[Bob Magaw]

Your perception differs from pretty much all of the reputable polling, the behavior of the candidates and campaigns themselves, and the perception of all of the reputable media. Sean effing Hannity threw in the towel last night on Twitter. This isn't going to be remotely close.

Clinton Probably Finished Off Trump Last Night - Nate Silver/538


http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-probably-finished-off-trump-last-night/

Excerpt - "Brexit? Even that comparison doesn’t really work. The final polls showed a toss-up between the United Kingdom leaving the European Union or remaining in it, and “leave” eventually won by 4 points. If the polls were biased against Trump by that much in this election, he’d still lose, by a margin approximating the one by which Mitt Romney lost to President Obama four years ago."

Silver on Colbert last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgLe1fWJBi0

Colbert's Third Presidential Debate Reaction              

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMAuk5D6h1w

 

[Fox Scream]

WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A WALL

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I honestly don't think it was a scam either. He's not smart enough to have thought that far ahead.

Isn't it strange that we have to keep reminding ourselves that a major party candidate for President isn't a deep, strategic thinker?

 

[culdeus]

I suppose that someone has pointed out that he shifted even more left last night on a whole host of topics.  

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Sean Hannity would be awesome.  See if he starts ripping on the other hosts for not supporting Donald.

That's what they would get for being so fair and balanced.

 

[Bucky86]

It might be a good idea to stop giving Trump intelligence updates. There's no telling what that psycho is going to do with it once he officially loses?