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how can Donald Trump have the temerity to suggest that Hillary Clinton is "nasty".

on what grounds? because she isn't cowering before him? because she doesn't know her place? because she's firing back at him?

the guy said "just grab em in the biscuits" for chrissakes. he's a known womanizer. he didn't shy away from the fact that he was cheating on Ivanka. he's vulgar. he's a buffoon.  she has conducted herself with class in the face of his childish nonsense... but she's the nasty one?

what part of his behavior suggests he's some clean cut all-American? 

he seems to be operating under the age-old assumption that driven, strong, intelligent women are terrible people by definition.. but men of the same parameter are "just being men". that's a double standard that should infuriate modern, civilized people. 

instead it draws followers. 

i've always felt this way but especially so now as the father of two girls.. i strongly respect a woman that doesn't back down, who puts up for themselves. it takes a lot more to fight through the bull####, i think. she has demonstrated that ability through her time in government. she comes off as tough but reasonable. firm without needing to resort to bullyish behavior.

we'll see how that plays out under the microscope for the next 4 years but i think she's prepared.

 
mr. furley said:
how can Donald Trump have the temerity to suggest that Hillary Clinton is "nasty".

on what grounds? because she isn't cowering before him? because she doesn't know her place? because she's firing back at him?
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Serious question? I assume most Hillary supporters find her "nastiness" endearing. Donald Trump's own transgressions and shortcomings aside-- the Clinton political machine is a nasty, manipulative, lying bunch. She's the matriarch of that operation.

 
tonydead said:
And why get all hung up on the steel?  I'm pretty sure the drapes and carpets were made in Taiwan.
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Throughout the campaign, many references have been made to the many foreign outsourcings Trump and his companies have made all over the globe, from raw materials to manufacturing goods to employees and even brides.  Steel happened to fit in nicely in the context of last night's debate.

ETA: any time you want to get to the part Clinton lied about, we'd love to know.

 
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tonydead said:
I'm pretty sure his point was that he'd change the "trade deals" so that imported steel wouldn't be cheaper than american made steel.  I have no idea if he could really accomplish that or not, but it's a pretty simple concept, and very lazy for opponents to paint the picture of him not supporting american workers instead of just getting the buildings built with the lowest cost possible.    

But, that's not really how it works anyway.  Trump and Ruffin's corporation solicited bids for construction for the hotel in Las Vegas.  Contractors submitted prices to construct the hotel based on estimates that include cost of raw materials.   Perini Building Co. was the winning low cost contractor and had an advantage in their estimate with foreign steel that costs less than american made steel, happens every day in the construction market.  Why wouldn't Perini take the advantage of a lower estimate by buying lower cost materials in order to win the contract?  Why wouldn't Trump and Ruffin select the lowest price submitted in order to provide the highest returns to investors?  If contractors didn't like Perini didn't take that advantage they would never win a construction contract.  If corporations that build hotels didn't take that advantage they would go bankrupt against all the others that do.  
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Not illegal, but may not play well when he campaigns in states that he is for the steel workers and it is terrible that they are losing work due to companies getting their steel from out of the country - when that is exactly what he is doing. Again, if he wants to do that, fine. But than don't use it as a talking point for what is bad about America, and how he is their champion and will make things better for them, it's ridiculous.   

 
RnR said:
Serious question? I assume most Hillary supporters find her "nastiness" endearing. Donald Trump's own transgressions and shortcomings aside-- the Clinton political machine is a nasty, manipulative, lying bunch. She's the matriarch of that operation.
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based on..... what?

i could go around telling people that they post too much but that would be.... insane for me to point out as a negative, no?

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Throughout the campaign, many references have been made to the many foreign outsourcings Trump and his companies have made all over the globe, from raw materials to manufacturing goods to employees and even brides.  Steel happened to fit in nicely in the context of last night's debate.

ETA: any time you want to get to the part Clinton lied about, we'd love to know.
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My point was that it's the exact same argument.  Surely you see how silly the drapery argument is?

 
RnR said:
Serious question? I assume most Hillary supporters find her "nastiness" endearing. 
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Yeeeeaaaahhhhh....

I don't find her "nasty".  I've never been a huge fan of hers but I wouldn't consider her "nasty" or "shrewish" or "b itchy".  

 
mr. furley said:
based on..... what?

i could go around telling people that they post too much but that would be.... insane for me to point out as a negative, no?
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Are you asking me to tell you why some people might find Hillary Clinton's political tactics nasty? Are you new to following politics?

Neither of these people are fit to be president. But that's not stopping them from debating and calling each other unfit so that we can determine who is the least unfit. :bag:

 
I think a lot of his shtick is more palatable if you interpret it as him trying to be funny - the "she's a nasty woman" comment would have gotten him huge laughs in front of a friendly audience, and he's probably used to feeling like the funniest guy in the world since all of the sycophants around him probably laugh like hyenas whenever he says something remotely close to being funny.  I know I seem to get funnier with each promotion, I can only imagine how it is for someone at his level.

 
elbowrm said:
I think a lot of his shtick is more palatable if you interpret it as him trying to be funny - the "she's a nasty woman" comment would have gotten him huge laughs in front of a friendly audience, and he's probably used to feeling like the funniest guy in the world since all of the sycophants around him probably laugh like hyenas whenever he says something remotely close to being funny.  I know I seem to get funnier with each promotion, I can only imagine how it is for someone at his level.
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Chris Wallace taking out the audience really hurt Trump in this way. Trump wanted to turn the debates into circuses and a lot of that is the crowed booing and cheering like it's Jerry Springer. The GOP let that happened in their debates especially.

 
Sconch said:
Yeeeeaaaahhhhh....

I don't find her "nasty".  I've never been a huge fan of hers but I wouldn't consider her "nasty" or "shrewish" or "b itchy".  
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Let's term it differently. She conducts herself in a way that adversaries could find "nasty" ... which is what her supporters would term "bulldog mentality" or "by any means necessary." Which, I assume, is what people like about her... though admittedly I'm not the one to point out her redeeming qualities.

 
Bob Magaw said:
Not illegal, but may not play well when he campaigns in states that he is for the steel workers and it is terrible that they are losing work due to companies getting their steel from out of the country - when that is exactly what he is doing. Again, if he wants to do that, fine. But than don't use it as a talking point for what is bad about America, and how he is their champion and will make things better for them, it's ridiculous.   
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Steel workers understand the steel industry.  They don't blame the contractors when foreign steel prices drop below american steel prices.    

 
tonydead said:
Steel workers understand the steel industry.  They don't blame the contractors when foreign steel prices drop below american steel prices.    
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Not illegal, but may not play well when he campaigns in states that he is for the steel workers and it is terrible that they are losing work due to companies getting their steel from out of the country - when that is exactly what he is doing. Again, if he wants to do that, fine. But than don't use it as a talking point for what is bad about America, and how he is their champion and will make things better for them, it's ridiculous.   

 
RnR said:
Are you asking me to tell you why some people might find Hillary Clinton's political tactics nasty? Are you new to following politics?

Neither of these people are fit to be president. But that's not stopping them from debating and calling each other unfit so that we can determine who is the least unfit. :bag:
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oh, i do, for a long time. but perhaps with a different perspective than of someone who thinks "Hillary and the people around her are nasty"

in what way are they, but specifically she, "nasty"?

 
Bob Magaw said:
Not illegal, but may not play well when he campaigns in states that he is for the steel workers and it is terrible that they are losing work due to companies getting their steel from out of the country - when that is exactly what he is doing. Again, if he wants to do that, fine. But than don't use it as a talking point for what is bad about America, and how he is their champion and will make things better for them, it's ridiculous.   
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And they certainly wouldn't blame the corporations that hire low cost contractors.  They blame the politicians that allow that steel to come into the country in the first place.  

 
elbowrm said:
I think a lot of his shtick is more palatable if you interpret it as him trying to be funny - the "she's a nasty woman" comment would have gotten him huge laughs in front of a friendly audience, and he's probably used to feeling like the funniest guy in the world since all of the sycophants around him probably laugh like hyenas whenever he says something remotely close to being funny.  I know I seem to get funnier with each promotion, I can only imagine how it is for someone at his level.
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oh, Cisco!

 
I think it's interesting that people still act like Trump would change the laws that he takes advantage of, then decries as part of his platform.  What a joke.

The point is, Hillary has every right to point out this hypocrisy in the debate, just like I suppose you have every right to use it as an excuse for the vote you were going to cast anyway

 
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tonydead said:
I can see Tobia's point, just don't agree with it.  You can say the exact same thing about virtually every construction project in existence.  That makes it a giant red herring to me.  
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What do you mean you see his point but don't agree?

You claimed a lie, he showed that based on what you were quoting it wasn't, gave you the opportunity to correct him which you never did. Where was the lie?

 
tonydead said:
My point was that it's the exact same argument.  Surely you see how silly the drapery argument is?
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l think it's pretty silly to equate the arguments given Trump/Pence have campaigned on one but not the other.  

I understand why Trump would want to build his buildings as cheaply as possible.  However, isn't that off-brand for Trump?  He's a luxury brand where the you get the best and the finest, regardless of cost.

And then there's the part where he campaigns on being the hero of the working class, when his life's work shows he's been willing to sell them out, often for no greater reason than he felt like it.

Never said Trump broke any laws by using Chinese steel.  But I do think it's unprincipled and runs counter to the message of his campaign.

 
mr. furley said:
oh, i do, for a long time. but perhaps with a different perspective than of someone who thinks "Hillary and the people around her are nasty"

in what way are they, but specifically she, "nasty"?
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nas·ty

ˈnastē/

adjective
adjective: nasty; comparative adjective: nastier; superlative adjective: nastiest


  1. 1.


    highly unpleasant, especially to the senses; physically nauseating.
    "plastic bags burn with a nasty, acrid smell"

    synonyms:


    unpleasant, disagreeable, disgusting, distasteful, awful, dreadful, horrible, terrible, vile,foul, abominable, frightful, loathsome, revolting, repulsive, odious, sickening,nauseating, repellent, repugnant, horrendous, appalling, atrocious, offensive,objectionable, obnoxious, unsavory, unappetizing, off-putting; More



     
     
     

     






     
     

     







    antonyms:


    pleasant, delightful, minor, slight









  2. 2.


    (of a person or animal) behaving in an unpleasant or spiteful way.
    "Harry was a nasty, foul-mouthed old devil"

    synonyms:


    unkind, unpleasant, unfriendly, disagreeable, rude, churlish, spiteful, malicious, mean,ill-tempered, ill-natured, vicious, malevolent, obnoxious, hateful, hurtful; More



     

     







    antonyms:


    nice, charming









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    physically or mentally damaging or harmful.
    "a nasty, vicious-looking hatchet"







noun


informal


noun: nasty; plural noun: nasties


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    an unpleasant or harmful person or thing.
    "bacteria and other nasties"





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http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/the-debate-crowd-laughed-when-trump-said-he-respected-women.html

The second presidential debate included a segment about each candidate’s “fitness to be president,” so moderator Chris Wallace brought up the somehalf-dozen women who have accused Donald Trump of sexual assault. “Why would so many different women under so many different circumstances make up these stories?” Wallace asked.

Trump responded by denying the allegations, which has been his strategythus far. He then blamed the Clinton campaign for producing his accusers, and he topped the whole thing off with: “Nobody has more respect for women than I do.”

Again, this is a line he’s used before. But this time, the audience straight-up laughed.

:lmao: oooooooooof

 
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RnR said:
Do I have to hold your hand? We both know the things she has done that fit that definition.
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i'm asking you to define it since you are one of the people who believes it

this smells very similar to Trumpian pronouncements where he throws out a crazy suggestion then backs it by saying "i know. believe me. i know."

well.. how? as someone with a whit of intellect and a need to understand things i need more examples than "i just know". that shows a deep lack of understanding.

 
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tonydead said:
And why get all hung up on the steel?  I'm pretty sure the drapes and carpets were made in Taiwan.  Why doesn't she just claim that Trump took all her ancestors jobs away.  
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Trump bases a lot of his campaign on it. 

And he does it himself!

 
mr. furley said:
i'm asking you to define it since you are one of the people who believes it

this smells very similar to Trumpian pronouncements where he throws out a crazy suggestion then backs it by saying "i know. believe me. i know."

well.. how? as someone with a wit of intellect and a need to understand things i need more examples than "i just know". that shows a deep lack of understanding.
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I didn't show up for an internet fight. We all lose on that front.

You could start with the habitual lying, the questionable acceptance of funds, etc.

That doesn't even touch the topics of deleted emails, calling half the country deplorable, alleged misgivings during her time in Arkansas, etc. Those are all open to partisan interpretation.

ETA: I'm not a Trump supporter either, so please don't hit me with "at least she's not him." They are both nasty.

 
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RnR said:
Let's term it differently. She conducts herself in a way that adversaries could find "nasty" ... which is what her supporters would term "bulldog mentality" or "by any means necessary." Which, I assume, is what people like about her... though admittedly I'm not the one to point out her redeeming qualities.
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Do you think she conducts herself any differently than any other successful politician?

 
What's funny is that the TPP does have some carve outs for the US Steel industry to protect dumping and swaps.  Yet, that's too fine a line for both of them to walk for her to say, oh by the way under the TPP Trump would have been more driven to use US steel.  But let's leave that aside since the TPP has been considered such a hot topic and nobody really knows what the #### it even says or set out to do.

 
I have to admit the deplorables bit got me.  I think that's where I went from "swallow hard" to "aw, this isn't so bad"

 
GUYS...GUYS!!!

I just found out from my students that if Hillary wins she is going to make kids go to school in the summer.

#gamechanger  

 
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