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Jeremy said:
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As staggering as this is, it's not at all shocking. I'm in the upper tier of the 18-34 age range, but I'm pretty sure this is dead on in terms of people that I know IRL in my age range and how they lean/vote. If wishing upon a star of a 3rd party rise for millennials who are socially moderate and fiscally conservative is delusional, the GOP then really needs to start pushing moderate GOP candidates or it will realistically never win a general election until all of the older GOP voting base dies off. Brutal, but honest IMO.

 
squistion said:
They didn't pay attention to the results of the 2012 autopsy. Why should this be any different?
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I'd argue the party did pay attention to the autopsy.  The big money was behind people like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich.  All those guys want to reform immigration like the 2012 autopsy suggested.  Kasich wouldn't have been as effective reaching out to Latinos and Hispanics like Bush and Rubio, but he covered up some of that weakness with being a governor of a big swing state near other big swing states.  

Then Trump showed up and wiped his ### with that autopsy.  And instead of rising up as an organized unit to get rid of him, one by one they handed Trump their lunch money and pretended he was what they stood for.   

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
I'd argue the party did pay attention to the autopsy.  The big money was behind people like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich.  All those guys want to reform immigration like the 2012 autopsy suggested.  Kasich wouldn't have been as effective reaching out to Latinos and Hispanics like Bush and Rubio, but he covered up some of that weakness with being a governor of a big swing state near other big swing states.  

Then Trump showed up and wiped his ### with that autopsy.  And instead of rising up as an organized unit to get rid of him, one by one they handed Trump their lunch money and pretended he was what they stood for.   
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They may have heeded it in terms of their non-Trump candidates, but not in dealing Obama as an enemy of freedom or in their complete failure to shut out the craziest elements of their party. 

 
I do want to thank you guys for the discussion on term limits.  You brought up some great points that I hadn't considered and I realize now that term limits is a knee-jerk reaction that would have real, damaging consequences.  Thanks to all who chimed in!

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
I'd argue the party did pay attention to the autopsy.  The big money was behind people like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich.  All those guys want to reform immigration like the 2012 autopsy suggested.  Kasich wouldn't have been as effective reaching out to Latinos and Hispanics like Bush and Rubio, but he covered up some of that weakness with being a governor of a big swing state near other big swing states.  

Then Trump showed up and wiped his ### with that autopsy.  And instead of rising up as an organized unit to get rid of him, one by one they handed Trump their lunch money and pretended he was what they stood for.   
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Not himself, but if he throws Rubio on as a VP nominee (Senator from another swing state in FL to couple with OH governor)? I'll stop, we'll start to promote semi-reasonable tickets if we go further down this rabbit hole. We might even discuss Democrats who felt in tune with the message of Bernie Sanders en masse, the horror!

 
General Malaise said:
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Not something I'd expect to be public knowledge.  Obama has been doing a lot of down ballot fundraising speeches, and this is his stump speech for those.  I've only seen them because I've started watching MSNBC ever since the first debate.  I used to never watch any of the news/politics networks, but for some reason I literally can't turn away from this trainwreck.  It's pissing my wife and mom off.  They're both appalled by the fact that Trump has gotten this far and just want to hear about anything else (although my poor Mom has discovered internet comment sections).  It's like catnip for me. 

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
I'd argue the party did pay attention to the autopsy.  The big money was behind people like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich.  All those guys want to reform immigration like the 2012 autopsy suggested.  Kasich wouldn't have been as effective reaching out to Latinos and Hispanics like Bush and Rubio, but he covered up some of that weakness with being a governor of a big swing state near other big swing states.  

Then Trump showed up and wiped his ### with that autopsy.  And instead of rising up as an organized unit to get rid of him, one by one they handed Trump their lunch money and pretended he was what they stood for.   
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They should have just told him to "eff off" and run as an independent if he wanted to, which he would have gotten tired of pretty quickly IMO. Assuming that he is running in the primary as a Republican, there was nothing that they could do to stop him, individually or collectively, IMO. His "message" was the one that resonated with the base.

And what will be really scary is competent and intelligent Republican politicians deciding to court his supporters with the same xenophobic message minus the sheer stupidity and laziness.

 
mquinnjr said:
Not himself, but if he throws Rubio on as a VP nominee (Senator from another swing state in FL to couple with OH governor)? I'll stop, we'll start to promote semi-reasonable tickets if we go further down this rabbit hole. We might even discuss Democrats who felt in tune with the message of Bernie Sanders en masse, the horror!
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Excellent point.  A Kasich/Rubio ticket would have been very tough for Hillary Clinton to beat.  
This is, of course, assuming that time Kasich was in the green room at Inside Edition and bragged about all those hookers he killed wasn't caught on tape. 

 
Trump's primary strategy was clever (or lucky, you decide).  He took on the guy who was the insider's pick and he banked on the fact that everyone else on the stage would think that it would be easier to beat Donald Trump than Jeb Bush.  If the adults in the room ganged up on Trump at the outset, he's out by Super Tuesday.  Instead, he got to attack a guy who was tailor made to be eaten alive by him.  And hey, it gave us "please clap" so I can't even be mad at him.  It was amazing. 

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Excellent point.  A Kasich/Rubio ticket would have been very tough for Hillary Clinton to beat.  
This is, of course, assuming that time Kasich was in the green room at Inside Edition and bragged about all those hookers he killed wasn't caught on tape. 
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Not a fan of Rubio, but Kasich was the one candidate this year that I would've at least considered voting for on the GOP side.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Trump's primary strategy was clever (or lucky, you decide).  He took on the guy who was the insider's pick and he banked on the fact that everyone else on the stage would think that it would be easier to beat Donald Trump than Jeb Bush.  If the adults in the room ganged up on Trump at the outset, he's out by Super Tuesday.  Instead, he got to attack a guy who was tailor made to be eaten alive by him.  And hey, it gave us "please clap" so I can't even be mad at him.  It was amazing. 
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Eh, I kind of doubt it. The debates were only a small part of the primary, plus, the whole "outsider" thing was a big part of his appeal IMO, and that would have been strengthened if it looked like he was taking fire from all sides. Also, the media treated him as a serious candidate from the start, and gave him a TON of air time to lay out his "bad Mexicans and Muslims" spiel. And that spiel resonated, big time, with the Republican base.

Republican voters didn't want one of the adults in the room.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Trump's primary strategy was clever (or lucky, you decide).  He took on the guy who was the insider's pick and he banked on the fact that everyone else on the stage would think that it would be easier to beat Donald Trump than Jeb Bush.  If the adults in the room ganged up on Trump at the outset, he's out by Super Tuesday.  Instead, he got to attack a guy who was tailor made to be eaten alive by him.  And hey, it gave us "please clap" so I can't even be mad at him.  It was amazing. 
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Somewhere in the past 24 hours I've also read a theory that this has all been orchestrated by the Clintons and her minions in the media, who first set up The Donald to succeed against his mainstream Republican contenders by lavishing lots of attention on him and then turning on him en masse after the nomination to dig up every nugget of craziness in Trump's background. 

Of course, that's all nuts even if it fits to a T.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Trump's primary strategy was clever (or lucky, you decide).  He took on the guy who was the insider's pick and he banked on the fact that everyone else on the stage would think that it would be easier to beat Donald Trump than Jeb Bush.  If the adults in the room ganged up on Trump at the outset, he's out by Super Tuesday.  Instead, he got to attack a guy who was tailor made to be eaten alive by him.  And hey, it gave us "please clap" so I can't even be mad at him.  It was amazing. 
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When I think back on it, I remain awed at how he . . . just beat the snot out of Jeb.  Just simply destroyed him.  I kinda liked Jeb, but the Donald was good for the country in one way:  He shone a light on how blaringly lightweight Jeb was.  I just think to myself, if Donald doesn't run, Jeb has a good shot at winning the primary, and a decent chance of beating Hillary.  If Donald could pummel Jeb so badly, imagine what Putin could have done. . . . 

All of that is mostly in jest.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Somewhere in the past 24 hours I've also read a theory that this has all been orchestrated by the Clintons and her minions in the media, who first set up The Donald to succeed against his mainstream Republican contenders by lavishing lots of attention on him and then turning on him en masse after the nomination to dig up every nugget of craziness in Trump's background. 

Of course, that's all nuts even if it fits to a T.
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Well, all of the articles before the media full court press of Trump after he won the primaries but pre-Convention were, "How did the media let Trump happen?" I believe the above is how. They knew Donald was the perfect patsy for Hillary, so they backed off on attacks (at least vs. what you see and read since it was Convention official) and put microphones in his face and gave him airtime non-stop during the primaries. He couldn't resist the attention and airtime ever, and it drives ad revenue for all media parties. Why wouldn't you do this if you're a member of the media and your agenda was to prop Hillary and make money on your content? I buy this angle based upon how things have played out, it's kind of perfect.

 
mquinnjr said:
Well, all of the articles before the media full court press of Trump after he won the primaries but pre-Convention were, "How did the media let Trump happen?" I believe the above is how. They knew Donald was the perfect patsy for Hillary, so they backed off on attacks (at least vs. what you see and read since it was Convention official) and put microphones in his face and gave him airtime non-stop during the primaries. He couldn't resist the attention and airtime ever, and it drives ad revenue for all media parties. Why wouldn't you do this if you're a member of the media and your agenda was to prop Hillary and make money on your content? I buy this angle based upon how things have played out, it's kind of perfect.
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I don't think favoring Hillary had anything to do with it -- they didn't call BS on Trump or ask any hard questions because if they did, he would just move on to the next show / network that didn't. And from the beginning he said a ton of bat$hit crazy stuff that drove ratings. Plus, everyone though he would fade away or drop out.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Somewhere in the past 24 hours I've also read a theory that this has all been orchestrated by the Clintons and her minions in the media, who first set up The Donald to succeed against his mainstream Republican contenders by lavishing lots of attention on him and then turning on him en masse after the nomination to dig up every nugget of craziness in Trump's background. 

Of course, that's all nuts even if it fits to a T.
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Did they really treat him any differently in the primaries than in the general, though? I mean, yeah, he got a lot of media attention early on, but it was all "LOOK AT THIS AWFUL THING TRUMP HAS SAID". And now that he's got the nomination, all the coverage has still been "LOOK AT THIS AWFUL THING TRUMP HAS SAID".

 
CBusAlex said:
Did they really treat him any differently in the primaries than in the general, though? I mean, yeah, he got a lot of media attention early on, but it was all "LOOK AT THIS AWFUL THING TRUMP HAS SAID". And now that he's got the nomination, all the coverage has still been "LOOK AT THIS AWFUL THING TRUMP HAS SAID".
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There have been studies that claimed that Trump got "mixed to positive" coverage during that time, but those studies counted any story citing that he was ahead or climbing in the polls as "positive."  So it's kind of hard to evaluate that position.  I mean, he rose in the polls and then he lead the polls.  Those are objective facts.  Not reporting on those facts doesn't seem like a viable option for the media. 

 
Coeur de Lion said:
I don't think favoring Hillary had anything to do with it -- they didn't call BS on Trump or ask any hard questions because if they did, he would just move on to the next show / network that didn't. And from the beginning he said a ton of bat$hit crazy stuff that drove ratings. Plus, everyone though he would fade away or drop out.
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No you're right, the media and the DNC loved Sanders. C'mon, man!

Trump is perfect, he's a layup W for Hillary and drives ratings because he can't stop himself from insulting persons/groups of people en masse.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
There have been studies that claimed that Trump got "mixed to positive" coverage during that time, but those studies counted any story citing that he was ahead or climbing in the polls as "positive."  So it's kind of hard to evaluate that position.  I mean, he rose in the polls and then he lead the polls.  Those are objective facts.  Not reporting on those facts doesn't seem like a viable option for the media. 
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I think people forget that he announced in June and was then ahead in the polls by mid-July.   They also like to say Bush was this great candidate, but he never got out of the teens in polling and it was pretty evident even before Trump got in the race that the voters wanted a non-Bush person. That was Walker for awhile, but he flamed out quickly and then Trump entered the race and grabbed that mantle.  

Keep in mind too that for awhile in August/Sept it was Trump then Carson, so the Republican electorate was pretty evidently looking for non-Washington type.  

The other thing is that Megyn Kelly challenged him in the very first question in the very first debate and he totally flubbed the answer on how he treats women.  Didn't matter.  The base wanted what he was selling.   

 
mquinnjr said:
No you're right, the media and the DNC loved Sanders. C'mon, man!

Trump is perfect, he's a layup W for Hillary and drives ratings because he can't stop himself from insulting persons/groups of people en masse.
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Eh, I really don't buy the "favored candidate" schtick, at least to the extent of manipulating the American people into nominating Trump in order to give Hillary a layup. For the most part, the media will slant things so as to appeal to their market and drive ratings / clicks / etc -- it's all about the $$$, not about some agenda-driven conspiracy.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Eh, I really don't buy the "favored candidate" schtick, at least to the extent of manipulating the American people into nominating Trump in order to give Hillary a layup. For the most part, the media will slant things so as to appeal to their market and drive ratings / clicks / etc -- it's all about the $$$, not about some agenda-driven conspiracy.
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Feel free to let your fingers do the walking over to Google and read up on why Debbie Wasserman Schultz had to resign as DNC chair.

 
MattFancy said:
Oliver

Myers

Colbert

Bee

Maher

Noah
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Only have seen the first three, that is how I would rank them, too (with Oliver in his own tier).

To the thread - If you haven't seen it already, YouTube Oliver's Scandals episode, brilliant breakdown as well as hilarious.

 
CBusAlex said:
Did they really treat him any differently in the primaries than in the general, though? I mean, yeah, he got a lot of media attention early on, but it was all "LOOK AT THIS AWFUL THING TRUMP HAS SAID". And now that he's got the nomination, all the coverage has still been "LOOK AT THIS AWFUL THING TRUMP HAS SAID".




 
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I spent the entire primary wondering how remained a viable option. The media covered those missteps, but the Republican primary voters didn't care enough.

 
cstu said:
They're banking on millennials not caring who they do business with as long as the building itself doesn't say 'Trump' on it.

I don't think it will work as foresee this conversation:

"Wooo, I booked a room at the cool Scion hotel."

"Isn't that Trump's hotel, how can you support that guy?"

" :oldunsure: "
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Rebrand them as Deplorable Suites? 

 
mquinnjr said:
Feel free to let your fingers do the walking over to Google and read up on why Debbie Wasserman Schultz had to resign as DNC chair.
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I'm very familiar with that situation. I fail to see what DWS and her obvious bias has anything to do with the media conspiring to win Trump the nomination in order to ease Hillary's path, which is what you are claiming.

 
Sammy3469 said:
I think people forget that he announced in June and was then ahead in the polls by mid-July.   They also like to say Bush was this great candidate, but he never got out of the teens in polling and it was pretty evident even before Trump got in the race that the voters wanted a non-Bush person. That was Walker for awhile, but he flamed out quickly and then Trump entered the race and grabbed that mantle.  

Keep in mind too that for awhile in August/Sept it was Trump then Carson, so the Republican electorate was pretty evidently looking for non-Washington type.  

The other thing is that Megyn Kelly challenged him in the very first question in the very first debate and he totally flubbed the answer on how he treats women.  Didn't matter.  The base wanted what he was selling.   
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It really is astounding how much disqualifying bull#### Trump did and managed to stay in the race.  Don Lemon recently talked about having Trump on his show after that first primary debate, and  listening to Trump say "blood coming out of her wherever" for real.  Said while he was heading home after hosting that show he was sure Trump was done and would be out of the race in a week.  That was in August 2015.  And today it's maybe in the top ten of his most disqualifying actions during the campaign.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
I'm very familiar with that situation. I fail to see what DWS and her obvious bias has anything to do with the media conspiring to win Trump the nomination in order to ease Hillary's path, which is what you are claiming.
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I feel it's two-pronged. Getting Hillary to the the nomination #1, and #2 let Donald accumulate as many sound bites and as much media exposure as possible, he can't help himself and he'll talk himself into a landslide for Hillary. If that was the pitch/strategy 12+ months ago, it was beautifully executed.

 
mquinnjr said:
I feel it's two-pronged. Getting Hillary to the the nomination #1, and #2 let Donald accumulate as many sound bites and as much media exposure as possible, he can't help himself and he'll talk himself into a landslide for Hillary. If that was the pitch/strategy 12+ months ago, it was beautifully executed.
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Yeah, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I would agree that the DNC was in the tank from Clinton from day one, and would agree that most of the main stream media probably favors her as well -- which isn't surprising considering that the only people supporting Trump are idiots and bigots at this point -- but a huge year long plus conspiracy among them to win the nomination for Trump to make it easier for Hillary is tin foil hat level nonsense.

 
Remember the "good old days" when a candidate screaming "Not only are we going to New Hampshire, Tom Harkin, we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going to California and Texas and New York.... And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan, and then we're going to Washington, D.C., to take back the White House! YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!" was enough to ruin a guy's whole race?  

Now a guy can talk about facemasking a woman's clam and still be in the running.

 
James Daulton said:
HTF do Trump supporters have such a higher median income than Hillary supporters?
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Pulling this theory from my derriere, but I think at least a factor is age.  A 27 year old Hillary supporter is pretty fresh in his/her career, while a 62 year old crusty Trump supporter is probably earning the most he/she ever will.  Still lots of hating baby boomers out there too.

 
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