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***Official*** Dwayne Washington, RB, DET (1 Viewer)

The Fantasy Chef said:
what can we really expect as a stat line in week 3 from washington?  
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Who the hell knows?

upside is 8-10 touches, .75 TD 

he could have 8-10 touches not at the stripe and end up with 35 yards, 0 TD.

they could get 3 PI calls in the end zone and Washington could Bettis his way to a hat trick.

until we see how they're really used in a game, anything is possible. But since they've tabbed Riddick the starter, I think 8-10 with maybe a TD is a good floor for FFB managers to hope for.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Who the hell knows?

upside is 8-10 touches, .75 TD 

he could have 8-10 touches not at the stripe and end up with 35 yards, 0 TD.

they could get 3 PI calls in the end zone and Washington could Bettis his way to a hat trick.

until we see how they're really used in a game, anything is possible. But since they've tabbed Riddick the starter, I think 8-10 with maybe a TD is a good floor for FFB managers to hope for.
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Agreed. I am hoping for 1 score and maybe 8-10 touches. If I can sneak out 10 points from him I will be happy. It's either him or Asiata for me and it's a horse apiece as far as I'm concerned. Washington will get more touches IMO and GB has a history of letting unknown RBs go nuts from what I can remember... although for the past decade we have been terrible vs the run and actually look good so far. However the DL is quite banged up right now. 

 
Two things which can affect these 'talent' prospects in terms of their getting on the field, staying there and getting snaps and opportunities - pass protection and ball control. That's where Bell and Zenner come in. Just factoring this into expectations.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
can he do the little things that a pro rb can do? like pass protect?
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You probably know most of this stuff already:

  • like Theo Riddick, he's a converted WR
  • was the third down specialist at Washington last year after losing the starting job to an incoming Freshman
  • was supposed to be good at pass pro but struggled early in camp before PS
  • only 226 carries in 3 years of college
  • fumbled 10 times, and as with pass pro, struggled with this early in TC
  • even though he is listed around 226, he is not an inside runner - throughout college he operated more like a scat back
  • in his first NFL carry he didn't score from the 6 inch line (next play he did score)
Measurables:

 


PRO DAY RESULTS


 40-yard dash: 4.44 seconds Vertical: 37 inches Broad jump: 10 feet, 7 inches Short shuttle: 4.24 seconds 3-cone: 6.9 seconds Bench: 21 reps of 225 pounds

 
BobbyLayne said:
You probably know most of this stuff already:

  • like Theo Riddick, he's a converted WR
  • was the third down specialist at Washington last year after losing the starting job to an incoming Freshman
  • was supposed to be good at pass pro but struggled early in camp before PS
  • only 226 carries in 3 years of college
  • fumbled 10 times, and as with pass pro, struggled with this early in TC
  • even though he is listed around 226, he is not an inside runner - throughout college he operated more like a scat back
  • in his first NFL carry he didn't score from the 6 inch line (next play he did score)
Measurables:

 


PRO DAY RESULTS


 40-yard dash: 4.44 seconds Vertical: 37 inches Broad jump: 10 feet, 7 inches Short shuttle: 4.24 seconds 3-cone: 6.9 seconds Bench: 21 reps of 225 pounds
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Thank you

 
BobbyLayne said:
You probably know most of this stuff already:

  • like Theo Riddick, he's a converted WR
  • was the third down specialist at Washington last year after losing the starting job to an incoming Freshman
  • was supposed to be good at pass pro but struggled early in camp before PS
  • only 226 carries in 3 years of college
  • fumbled 10 times, and as with pass pro, struggled with this early in TC
  • even though he is listed around 226, he is not an inside runner - throughout college he operated more like a scat back
  • in his first NFL carry he didn't score from the 6 inch line (next play he did score)
Measurables:

 


PRO DAY RESULTS


 40-yard dash: 4.44 seconds Vertical: 37 inches Broad jump: 10 feet, 7 inches Short shuttle: 4.24 seconds 3-cone: 6.9 seconds Bench: 21 reps of 225 pounds
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Love the measurables - hate everything else. lol 

I'd read about the fumblitis - to me that's the biggest concern. 

 
One other caveat: Doesn't Detroit have a history of horrible offensive performances at Lambeau in the Stafford era? I know there was that one Week 17 shootout vs. Flynn back in 2011, but otherwise it seems like there's been a lot of muddling through, even when they won last year.

 
zftcg said:
One other caveat: Doesn't Detroit have a history of horrible offensive performances at Lambeau in the Stafford era? I know there was that one Week 17 shootout vs. Flynn back in 2011, but otherwise it seems like there's been a lot of muddling through, even when they won last year.
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I think most here are taking a longer term approach than "this week" against GB. 

To answer your question, yes - GB is stout against the run, and GB plays well at home. So this week may not be an ideal place to start Washington. I am starting Riddick in a 1/2 PPR league at Flex since I just lost A.Foster and have little choice (M.Wheaton would be my only other possible) - I would not start Washington this week, but there are some who took more than 1 hit this week who might have to. 

If they get 5-10 points, it's better than getting 0 points. 

Long-term view, Washington is a wait & see, with upside. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I think most here are taking a longer term approach than "this week" against GB. 

To answer your question, yes - GB is stout against the run, and GB plays well at home. So this week may not be an ideal place to start Washington. I am starting Riddick in a 1/2 PPR league at Flex since I just lost A.Foster and have little choice (M.Wheaton would be my only other possible) - I would not start Washington this week, but there are some who took more than 1 hit this week who might have to. 

If they get 5-10 points, it's better than getting 0 points. 

Long-term view, Washington is a wait & see, with upside. 
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Yes, totally agree. I'm definitely in wait and see mode. For those who need to start him this week, I was just warning them to temper expectations.

 
zftcg said:
Yes, totally agree. I'm definitely in wait and see mode. For those who need to start him this week, I was just warning them to temper expectations.
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I'm between Washington, Asiata or West this week. My options are limited. If Washington gets a score and maybe 30 yards I'd be thrilled... 

 
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BobbyLayne said:
You probably know most of this stuff already:

  • like Theo Riddick, he's a converted WR
  • was the third down specialist at Washington last year after losing the starting job to an incoming Freshman
  • was supposed to be good at pass pro but struggled early in camp before PS
  • only 226 carries in 3 years of college
  • fumbled 10 times, and as with pass pro, struggled with this early in TC
  • even though he is listed around 226, he is not an inside runner - throughout college he operated more like a scat back
  • in his first NFL carry he didn't score from the 6 inch line (next play he did score)
Measurables:

 


PRO DAY RESULTS


 40-yard dash: 4.44 seconds Vertical: 37 inches Broad jump: 10 feet, 7 inches Short shuttle: 4.24 seconds 3-cone: 6.9 seconds Bench: 21 reps of 225 pounds
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From the OP...

JFS171 said:
We've got another former WR converting to RB, only this one's a SPARQ freak.  We don't have combine numbers, cause he wasn't invited (at least I don't believe he was).  At his pro day, at 6'1" and 223lbs, he posted 21 reps on the bench; a 4.48 40 with a 1.58 10-yard split; a vertical of 37.5"; a broad of 127"; a 3-cone of 6.85; a short shuttle of 4.22.  Had he been at the combine, those figures would've ranked him 10th on the bench; 8th in the 40; 4th in the vertical; 4th in the broad jump; 2nd in the 3-cone; 6th in the short shuttle.  Further food for thought... per Kevin Cole's decision tree over at RotoViz (paid, but RotoViz gives free reads occassionally), strictly looking at what combine drills matter for RBs from a modeling perspective, Washington falls in the 78% success rate bucket -- using his pro day numbers, but that's all we've got.  The stars of that bucket? Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, DeMarco Murray, Latavius Murray, Darren McFadden, and Joseph Addai, to name a few.
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The goal line work intrigued me. I'm not sure what I bought, but if he turns into a bye week filler or more, I'd be thrilled! 

Love the forum for good discussion like this one. 

 
Haven't chimed in on this board in years and had to create a new login to get in on this discussion.  As a Lions fan, I would temper expectations on this week alone given the matchup.  Think 10 carries, 50 yards and maybe a touchdown.  I did pick DW up in 2 out of 3 ppr leagues (both where I already have Riddick) but I still think in the end Detroit will be more of a passing team.  Lions are losing Levy and Ziggy for this game so expect them to get torched (so maybe a few catches out of the backfield playing catch up could also happen).  With all of that being said, this kid has checked off to me the below:

Measurables, depth chart climb, preseason performance (two TD's), yards per carry in regular (small sample size I know) and a former WR.

He is here to stay unlike Ridley or even if they sign Joique to mentor him. The Lions do have new LT this season in 1st rd pick Decker and both of their guards are respectable (Warford, Tomlinson).  They just lacked the right offensive coordinator last season until they got Jim Bob Cooter and RB to fit well with Riddick and Stafford. 

This Sunday Riddick will get the chance to be "thy guy" but IF Dwayne Washington comes and runs well, I can see them moving Riddick back to his role last year and Washington being more like Joique Bell but more explosive.

Prediction: 1000 yards rushing, 8 TD's, 30 receptions

 
flipcuplegend said:
Haven't chimed in on this board in years and had to create a new login to get in on this discussion.  As a Lions fan, I would temper expectations on this week alone given the matchup.  Think 10 carries, 50 yards and maybe a touchdown.  I did pick DW up in 2 out of 3 ppr leagues (both where I already have Riddick) but I still think in the end Detroit will be more of a passing team.  Lions are losing Levy and Ziggy for this game so expect them to get torched (so maybe a few catches out of the backfield playing catch up could also happen).  With all of that being said, this kid has checked off to me the below:

Measurables, depth chart climb, preseason performance (two TD's), yards per carry in regular (small sample size I know) and a former WR.

He is here to stay unlike Ridley or even if they sign Joique to mentor him. The Lions do have new LT this season in 1st rd pick Decker and both of their guards are respectable (Warford, Tomlinson).  They just lacked the right offensive coordinator last season until they got Jim Bob Cooter and RB to fit well with Riddick and Stafford. 

This Sunday Riddick will get the chance to be "thy guy" but IF Dwayne Washington comes and runs well, I can see them moving Riddick back to his role last year and Washington being more like Joique Bell but more explosive.

Prediction: 1000 yards rushing, 8 TD's, 30 receptions
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Fantastic insight, great read. Is riddick a 2-3 down back? Washington has defiantly seems like he would be from what I saw of him.

 
flipcuplegend said:
Haven't chimed in on this board in years and had to create a new login to get in on this discussion.  As a Lions fan, I would temper expectations on this week alone given the matchup.  Think 10 carries, 50 yards and maybe a touchdown.  I did pick DW up in 2 out of 3 ppr leagues (both where I already have Riddick) but I still think in the end Detroit will be more of a passing team.  Lions are losing Levy and Ziggy for this game so expect them to get torched (so maybe a few catches out of the backfield playing catch up could also happen).  With all of that being said, this kid has checked off to me the below:

Measurables, depth chart climb, preseason performance (two TD's), yards per carry in regular (small sample size I know) and a former WR.

He is here to stay unlike Ridley or even if they sign Joique to mentor him. The Lions do have new LT this season in 1st rd pick Decker and both of their guards are respectable (Warford, Tomlinson).  They just lacked the right offensive coordinator last season until they got Jim Bob Cooter and RB to fit well with Riddick and Stafford. 

This Sunday Riddick will get the chance to be "thy guy" but IF Dwayne Washington comes and runs well, I can see them moving Riddick back to his role last year and Washington being more like Joique Bell but more explosive.

Prediction: 1000 yards rushing, 8 TD's, 30 receptions
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The way Aaron Rodgers is playing, I'm not so sure they will be torched. Cobb disappointed last year and Davante Adams couldn't catch a cold (still having a hard time), but I didn't buy the premise that the 2015 Packers offense struggled because they were missing Jordy Nelson. Maybe they get things going this week, but I don't think this GB team is anything like the GB of old. IF it does get out of control, however, I would expect Riddick to get a bunch more snaps.

 
BILLIEVE said:
The way Aaron Rodgers is playing, I'm not so sure they will be torched. Cobb disappointed last year and Davante Adams couldn't catch a cold (still having a hard time), but I didn't buy the premise that the 2015 Packers offense struggled because they were missing Jordy Nelson. Maybe they get things going this week, but I don't think this GB team is anything like the GB of old. IF it does get out of control, however, I would expect Riddick to get a bunch more snaps.
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Hogwash.  Rodgers has 5 TDs (2 rushing) in 2 games.  The Loins don't have half the defense that the Vikings do.  Packers are gonna put up 40 at home.  I'm predicting 325 passing, 4 total TDs for Rodgers this week.

 
tangfoot said:
Hogwash.  Rodgers has 5 TDs (2 rushing) in 2 games.  The Loins don't have half the defense that the Vikings do.  Packers are gonna put up 40 at home.  I'm predicting 325 passing, 4 total TDs for Rodgers this week.
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Game 1 vs JAX: 20-34, 199 Yards, 2 TD, 0 INT. 

Game 2 vs MIN: 20-36, 213 Yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.

Each person views things differently, but generally I won't expect a rushing TD from a QB not named Wilson or Newton.

Rodgers only threw for more than 325 yards 3 times last year. The last time was week 9 (against the Lions no less).

Those are lofty expectations. Hogwash is a bit strong. But we shall see after the week concludes.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
If you think Asiata is going to have 50/1, then yes? 

:shrug:
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If Asiata is expected to get 50/1 this weekend then I should swap Washington out for him in my lineup. I'd gladly take that. 

Washington is more likely to get 30/1 off 10 carries. And that TD is very maybe. TDs are so hard to predict though. He could have a stat line of 7 carries, 6 yards, 3 TDs just as much as 10 carries/30 yards/0 TDs. We just don't know how he is going to be used and what the game situations are. That's the epitome of a boom/bust guy like this

 
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Dr. Brew said:
If Asiata is expected to get 50/1 this weekend then I should swap Washington out for him in my lineup. I'd gladly take that. 

Washington is more likely to get 30/1 off 10 carries. And that TD is very maybe. TDs are so hard to predict though. He could have a stat line of 7 carries, 6 yards, 3 TDs just as much as 10 carries/30 yards/0 TDs. We just don't know how he is going to be used and what the game situations are. That's the epitome of a boom/bust guy like this
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100% agreed.  

Thus my noncommittal answer on Asiata/Washington - I see them as same risk/reward/unknown. We'll know more after this week, but right now they're both a crapshoot. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
If Asiata is expected to get 50/1 this weekend then I should swap Washington out for him in my lineup. I'd gladly take that. 

Washington is more likely to get 30/1 off 10 carries. And that TD is very maybe. TDs are so hard to predict though. He could have a stat line of 7 carries, 6 yards, 3 TDs just as much as 10 carries/30 yards/0 TDs. We just don't know how he is going to be used and what the game situations are. That's the epitome of a boom/bust guy like this
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If the Vikings are averaging less than 2 YPC, I wouldn't be optimistic Asiata would end up with 50 yards.

 
I don't know how to quote from one thread to another but I thought this belonged here. Credit goes to Billieve:

"Washington, a seventh-round pick this year, has already done a lot to impress the Lions’ coaching staff. Entering the team as a long-shot to make the roster, his impressive play over the preseason forced the Lions to cut veteran Stevan Ridley. Not only that, but he jumped Zenner on the depth chart, making him not only part of the 53-man roster, but on the 46-man active roster on game days. In his first career game, Washington scored his first NFL touchdown on a one-yard goal-line rush.

When Abdullah went down against the Titans, Washington again met the task. The Lions trusted Washington with four carries and he delivered 31 yards, including an impressive 28-yard rush on a draw play.

But for Washington, being a running back can be about a lot more than just rushing the ball. It requires a deep knowledge of the offense, including knowing who to pick up in pass protection situations. Matthew Stafford seems confident of his abilities though. “Everything we’ve given him he’s done a nice job of soaking up,” Stafford said on Wednesday." Source

Over at their SB Nation blog site there are only a handful of guys even bringing up Zenner's name. Most are on the Dwayne train

 
Dr. Brew said:
If Asiata is expected to get 50/1 this weekend then I should swap Washington out for him in my lineup. I'd gladly take that. 

Washington is more likely to get 30/1 off 10 carries. And that TD is very maybe. TDs are so hard to predict though. He could have a stat line of 7 carries, 6 yards, 3 TDs just as much as 10 carries/30 yards/0 TDs. We just don't know how he is going to be used and what the game situations are. That's the epitome of a boom/bust guy like this
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Do you want a higher floor or the much higher ceiling? And I'm not sure their floors are much different.

 
ponchsox said:
Do you want a higher floor or the much higher ceiling? And I'm not sure their floors are much different.
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I agree. I think Washington's ceiling is higher IMO because he will get more carries presumably. Maybe not this week but as the season goes on. I'm hoping for carries this week, and GBs DL is banged up so Washington could very well bust 2-3 long-ish runs for nice gains. I might as well roll the dice. I literally have no other choice except for West, CAP, Drake on my WW... 

 
I read through the weekly content by Waldeman. I do think there is cause to think a break out, if it happens, may be weeks down the road. A super raw athletic talent who needs to work on his football knowledge. I definitely think that Riddick is the play for at the foreseeable future. Washington may be more of dynasty hold. Obviously the coaching staff know more than us. I think he will have designed plays rather then whole series of plays.

 
Deaddawg said:
I read through the weekly content by Waldeman. I do think there is cause to think a break out, if it happens, may be weeks down the road. A super raw athletic talent who needs to work on his football knowledge. I definitely think that Riddick is the play for at the foreseeable future. Washington may be more of dynasty hold. Obviously the coaching staff know more than us. I think he will have designed plays rather then whole series of plays.
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Don't sell the Shark Pool short, this is the Detroit Lion's we are talking about. I think he will be given a decent amount of touches unless he fumbles early. Coach is playing for his job and having Washington provide a spark is a good calculated risk IMO. But again this is Detroit we are talking about.

 
rjv said:
wow that was a steal.
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No one else bid either. In another league he was my second pick after picking up Tamme. People yesterday were not paying as much attention as they are now. I am thankful I picked him up last week in my keeper league.

 
Deaddawg said:
No one else bid either. In another league he was my second pick after picking up Tamme. People yesterday were not paying as much attention as they are now. I am thankful I picked him up last week in my keeper league.
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Great deal!!

I think Im going to have to go about 25-30% to get him now.

 
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rjv said:
Great deal!!

I think Im going to have to go about 25-30% to get him now.
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Sounds about right now. A lot of people will be burning tons of FAAB on McKinnon, Asiata, Fozzy and CAP. Washington does feel like he is not as sought after.

 
Deaddawg said:
Sounds about right now. A lot of people will be burning tons of FAAB on McKinnon, Asiata, Fozzy and CAP. Washington does feel like he is not as sought after.
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In my 12 team league, waivers processed this evening at 6 pm. By far, Washington had the highest bids. For context, we are given $200 for the season for blind bidding.

The team who lost Abdullah this weekend also lost Woodhead, so he went hard after Washington. Another team went hard as well. Here were the two losing bids... $43 (AA owner), $48, and the winning bid of $57.

The next highest bid for an RB was Fozzy at $37. Followed by Asiata at $28, and Artis-Payne at $27. Howard was a nice bargain (Langford owner) at $6.

 
Bidding wars in my leagues for the Minny and Carolina backs.

One league he made it through without bids, the others I got him cheap (5%, 7%) while the aforementioned all went for 18-25% of budgets.

 
I was prepared to throw in about 35% of my cap in a 12 team contract league where there is little on the wire and then I noticed that Jalen Richard went for 50% of the cap previously so I threw in for about 55% of my cap on him.

I'm worried I didn't throw in enough... results in 1 minute...

 
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