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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (11 Viewers)

12 team PPR 1/2/3/1 1 flex

Gave: OBJ, Jamaal Charles, Doug Martin 

For: David Johnson, CJ Anderson

Gave: Julio Jones, Drew Brees

For: Sammy Watkins, 1.01*

*(Rookie draft is mixed rookie/devy with many top rookies already owned and all 2018 draft eligible devys available. Pick will almost certainly be Saquon Barkley.)
OBJ by a wide margin. 

Second trade would be dictated by the status of the team and whether or not Mixon is available.  If Mixon is available I take the Sammy/pick side easily.  If Mixon isn't, and I'm a competing team, I could easily see paying that for Julio and Brees for a few championship runs.

 
Bet a random guy on an internet board about a hypothetical trade that can't be proven?  Sure, how about pink slips, my partially completed Death Star for your slightly used USS Enterprise?

Anyway, staying on track with the thread:

Team A gets 1.02

Team B gets Rob Gronkowski, 2018 4th, 2018 4th

Team A gets Tyreek Hill, 1.12

Team B gets Allen Robinson

.5 PPR, no return yards.  Contract league, Robinson has 2 years Tyreek is unassigned.
 
The first trade is interesting. I had someone offer Gronk to me for Hunter Henry, my 2017 1.3 rookie pick and my 2018 Round 1 pick. I turned it down and they told me I was crazy not to make the deal. All his back surgeries worry me and I wonder how long he stays in the game before he decides to retire and live off his celebrity.

 
OBJ by a wide margin. 

Second trade would be dictated by the status of the team and whether or not Mixon is available.  If Mixon is available I take the Sammy/pick side easily.  If Mixon isn't, and I'm a competing team, I could easily see paying that for Julio and Brees for a few championship runs.
OBJ over DJ by a wide margin? That seems strange to me. 

 
I'm curious on thoughts on a proposed trade rather a completed one.

In a Zealots 12 team non-ppr league (53 man roster, start 1 QB) I have Brees, Bridgewater, Wentz, Fitzpatrick and Keenum at QB. I drafted Wentz and panicked when Bridgewater went down and added Fitz and Keenum as backups to Brees in case Wentz didn't get the starting job. 

Now with Bridgwater's future up in the air I think I need to find a young QB to pair with Wentz after Brees retires. Another owner has Carr, Luck and Newton at QB. So, he seemed like a logical target for a trade. That is until I started trade talks with him. He has said he may be willing to move one of them, but his asking price is pretty much the same for any of them.

His suggestion:

I give: T Y Hilton, 2017 1st, 2018 1st 

I get: The QB he decides to trade

To me that is a crazy high price in a 12 team league that only starts 1 QB. 

I would rank his QBs as Luck, Carr, Newton. 

So, which QB would you target and what ballpark of a counter-offer would you make?

 
I don't think you can get a 1st for Ebron, at least I have not seen it. It's an instant accept for 1.1 in my opinion
A guy in my league got the 1.9 for him. I think it's the exception not the rule thoughz I like 1.1 as well but think if the 18 2 were an 18 1 I'd think really hard about it.

 
I'm curious on thoughts on a proposed trade rather a completed one.

In a Zealots 12 team non-ppr league (53 man roster, start 1 QB) I have Brees, Bridgewater, Wentz, Fitzpatrick and Keenum at QB. I drafted Wentz and panicked when Bridgewater went down and added Fitz and Keenum as backups to Brees in case Wentz didn't get the starting job. 

Now with Bridgwater's future up in the air I think I need to find a young QB to pair with Wentz after Brees retires. Another owner has Carr, Luck and Newton at QB. So, he seemed like a logical target for a trade. That is until I started trade talks with him. He has said he may be willing to move one of them, but his asking price is pretty much the same for any of them.

His suggestion:

I give: T Y Hilton, 2017 1st, 2018 1st 

I get: The QB he decides to trade

To me that is a crazy high price in a 12 team league that only starts 1 QB. 

I would rank his QBs as Luck, Carr, Newton. 

So, which QB would you target and what ballpark of a counter-offer would you make?
Offers and advice belong in the Assistant Coach forum

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/forum/12-the-assistant-coach/
 
I'm curious on thoughts on a proposed trade rather a completed one.

In a Zealots 12 team non-ppr league (53 man roster, start 1 QB) I have Brees, Bridgewater, Wentz, Fitzpatrick and Keenum at QB. I drafted Wentz and panicked when Bridgewater went down and added Fitz and Keenum as backups to Brees in case Wentz didn't get the starting job. 

Now with Bridgwater's future up in the air I think I need to find a young QB to pair with Wentz after Brees retires. Another owner has Carr, Luck and Newton at QB. So, he seemed like a logical target for a trade. That is until I started trade talks with him. He has said he may be willing to move one of them, but his asking price is pretty much the same for any of them.

His suggestion:

I give: T Y Hilton, 2017 1st, 2018 1st 

I get: The QB he decides to trade

To me that is a crazy high price in a 12 team league that only starts 1 QB. 

I would rank his QBs as Luck, Carr, Newton. 

So, which QB would you target and what ballpark of a counter-offer would you make?
tbh it is a crazy price to ask for in start 1 QB. Maybe even crazy in a start 2 QB league! If you think he is willing to come way down and you really want to move into one of these guys I'd suggest Hilton straight up for them, Luck being my target between the 3. Carr and Newton I'd be asking for something coming back my way. But if he really believes that's where those guys are valued you may be wasting your time. I'd probably rather sit and check on Wentz' development than make a move right now especially with an owner with this price tag.

 
OBJ by a wide margin. 

Second trade would be dictated by the status of the team and whether or not Mixon is available.  If Mixon is available I take the Sammy/pick side easily.  If Mixon isn't, and I'm a competing team, I could easily see paying that for Julio and Brees for a few championship runs.
Mixon is available. So are some other guys like Ross, Foreman, and Kamara. But unless Mixon lands in a really great spot, I'll take Saquon. I think he's more talented than any back in this class.

 
The first trade is interesting. I had someone offer Gronk to me for Hunter Henry, my 2017 1.3 rookie pick and my 2018 Round 1 pick. I turned it down and they told me I was crazy not to make the deal. All his back surgeries worry me and I wonder how long he stays in the game before he decides to retire and live off his celebrity.
That's an easy turn down IMO. I don't think I'd even give up Henry and 1.03. 

 
I'm curious on thoughts on a proposed trade rather a completed one.

In a Zealots 12 team non-ppr league (53 man roster, start 1 QB) I have Brees, Bridgewater, Wentz, Fitzpatrick and Keenum at QB. I drafted Wentz and panicked when Bridgewater went down and added Fitz and Keenum as backups to Brees in case Wentz didn't get the starting job. 

Now with Bridgwater's future up in the air I think I need to find a young QB to pair with Wentz after Brees retires. Another owner has Carr, Luck and Newton at QB. So, he seemed like a logical target for a trade. That is until I started trade talks with him. He has said he may be willing to move one of them, but his asking price is pretty much the same for any of them.

His suggestion:

I give: T Y Hilton, 2017 1st, 2018 1st 

I get: The QB he decides to trade

To me that is a crazy high price in a 12 team league that only starts 1 QB. 

I would rank his QBs as Luck, Carr, Newton. 

So, which QB would you target and what ballpark of a counter-offer would you make?
With an asking price that high I wouldn't even counter offer.

 
Mixon is available. So are some other guys like Ross, Foreman, and Kamara. But unless Mixon lands in a really great spot, I'll take Saquon. I think he's more talented than any back in this class.
Yeah I'm not actually locked onto Mixon over Barkley, but felt like Barkley was a great fallback if Mixon is in a bad spot. 

 
With an asking price that high I wouldn't even counter offer.
The other owner always starts with a high initial ask and then strikes a deal (or not) after numerous counter-offers. So, he isn't stuck on his initial asking price.

I inquired about Randall Cobb last year prior to the season and his initial ask was"a RB in the realm of Melvin Gordon or David Johnson plus a high draft pick". That was enough to scare me away. Others persisted in trade talks and (I can't remember the eventual deal ) he was traded for a more reasonable return.

 
12 team PPR 1/2/3/1 1 flex

Gave: OBJ, Jamaal Charles, Doug Martin 

For: David Johnson, CJ Anderson

Gave: Julio Jones, Drew Brees

For: Sammy Watkins, 1.01*

*(Rookie draft is mixed rookie/devy with many top rookies already owned and all 2018 draft eligible devys available. Pick will almost certainly be Saquon Barkley.)
First one is a toss-up.  OBJ has more longevity, DJ probably gives you more of a weekly advantage.  I like Anderson over Charles/Martin, but those guys are so outclassed by the behemoths at the core of the trade that it's barely worth considering.

On the second one I think I take Sammy and 1.01.  Before I saw it was a devy league I thought it was a slam dunk.  Even still, Barkley should be an elite prospect next year too but there is more risk there.  This year's class is great but it's down quite a notch over what people were valuing it at a year ago.  Basically all the top RBs (Chubb most of all, of course) lost significant value between this time last year and now.

 
12 team PPR 1/2/3/1 1 flex

Gave: OBJ, Jamaal Charles, Doug Martin 

For: David Johnson, CJ Anderson

Gave: Julio Jones, Drew Brees

For: Sammy Watkins, 1.01*

*(Rookie draft is mixed rookie/devy with many top rookies already owned and all 2018 draft eligible devys available. Pick will almost certainly be Saquon Barkley.)
I like side getting OBJ in first deal.  I rate him straight up over DJ in dynasty.  None of the side piece RB's are of particular large value to me to change anything but I'd for sure  take Charles and Martin over Anderson based solely on measuring stick of how I value them, not what I could possibly fiip Anderson to get.  So I like the main course and the side dishes a little more on the OBJ side of this deal.

Second one is harder to say without  knowing who is left in that 1.1 because I for sure have Julio over Sammy in terms of straight up dynasty value and Brees is not a throw away even at his position/age, but if Barkley is my worst case option I could live with it, he would also be my 1.1 if he was in this draft. Ultimately this kind of trade would depend on makeup of my roster.

 
I don't think you can get a 1st for Ebron, at least I have not seen it. It's an instant accept for 1.1 in my opinion
I would think it would be on he rare side. Let me put it this way,  I own some Ebron shares in a FFPC (TE premium) and he's probably the #1 player I get unsolicited trade offers on from other teams. Those offers have never included a first and when I've replied that I"d need a first to even think about it it always ends the trade talk.

I'm here to testify he you can get a second round plus for him all day in this format but sure makes me think it would be hard to pry away a first in single PPR.

 
The other owner always starts with a high initial ask and then strikes a deal (or not) after numerous counter-offers. So, he isn't stuck on his initial asking price.

I inquired about Randall Cobb last year prior to the season and his initial ask was"a RB in the realm of Melvin Gordon or David Johnson plus a high draft pick". That was enough to scare me away. Others persisted in trade talks and (I can't remember the eventual deal ) he was traded for a more reasonable return.
Take it to the assistant coach forum.

 
12 team PPR 1/2/3/1 1 flex

Gave: OBJ, Jamaal Charles, Doug Martin 

For: David Johnson, CJ Anderson

Gave: Julio Jones, Drew Brees

For: Sammy Watkins, 1.01*

*(Rookie draft is mixed rookie/devy with many top rookies already owned and all 2018 draft eligible devys available. Pick will almost certainly be Saquon Barkley.)
OBJ in first deal

Sammy/1.1

 
A guy in my league got the 1.9 for him. I think it's the exception not the rule thoughz I like 1.1 as well but think if the 18 2 were an 18 1 I'd think really hard about it.
Yes that is very rare.  I own him in 1 league and would happily get out for any 1st

 
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Prefer Team B; decent haul to move down 5 spots
Agree but I would have waited to see who fell first.  Most of my leagues have a big twist or two early on (QB, a homer pick at RB, etc) so sometimes see real value in late first.  I really like the value in the 2nd with guys like Samuel, Reynolds, Henderson in that range.  I just put together a casual top 18 list and there's a lot to like in that late 2nd into the third.

 
Non-PPR, Standard Scoring

I gave Tyreek, M. Mitchell + 2017 2nd round pick

And

I got Dez + (k) Hopkins (Yes a kicker don't judge me!) lol

Tex

 
Agree but I would have waited to see who fell first.
That's the risk though, right?  If you wait and 1.09 ends up looking just OK then maybe you get to decide to pass if you don't think the players are much better there.  However if you wait and 1.09 ends up having a really good value pick available there when you're trying to trade for it then maybe the guy doesn't want to sell it now or, best case, is simply asking for a much higher price.

 
That's the risk though, right?  If you wait and 1.09 ends up looking just OK then maybe you get to decide to pass if you don't think the players are much better there.  However if you wait and 1.09 ends up having a really good value pick available there when you're trying to trade for it then maybe the guy doesn't want to sell it now or, best case, is simply asking for a much higher price.
Yep, but that still leaves 10 other owners that might pony up.  And there's a non-zero chance the guy that originally wanted 1.09 is now even more excited about it because someone the other guy was expected to be gone is still there.  I mean if you're making a list of 9 guys you are after, you are pretty much guaranteed your worst case scenario of your 9th guy on the list being there.  9 guys can't go before by 1.08.  But he could easily see his #5 guy still there.

Draft picks almost never lose value the closer to OTC they get.

 
Yeah he had 4 big games and was quiet rest of way. Seems a bit overrated to me 
But that's very little payoff for someone worth more. Can't win making deals like that just because you don't believe in a guy. Gotta find a price someone else would be willing to pay, not the price you'd be willing to take in a vacuum. It ignores all value, no league is a vacuum. 

 
But that's very little payoff for someone worth more. Can't win making deals like that just because you don't believe in a guy. Gotta find a price someone else would be willing to pay, not the price you'd be willing to take in a vacuum. It ignores all value, no league is a vacuum. 
I agree, but do not own him anywhere. There are deals that I see where I would not do from either side but I respond to which side I prefer . I would definitely take 2 1st's for him taking away the 7 spot move up.  I would also take a top 5 1st straight up.  

The flip side of looking for good value on a player, is that you get stuck holding when his value has tanked or at least is lower than when you could have sold at his peak

 
I agree, but do not own him anywhere. There are deals that I see where I would not do from either side but I respond to which side I prefer . I would definitely take 2 1st's for him taking away the 7 spot move up.  I would also take a top 5 1st straight up.  

The flip side of looking for good value on a player, is that you get stuck holding when his value has tanked or at least is lower than when you could have sold at his peak
You're reading it wrong.  The 7 spot move up IS one of the 1sts.  It's not really two firsts.  It's moving up from 2.4 to 1.9 and then getting a 2018 1st.

 
You're reading it wrong.  The 7 spot move up IS one of the 1sts.  It's not really two firsts.  It's moving up from 2.4 to 1.9 and then getting a 2018 1st.
I seen it was a 7 spot move up and if forced to choose I would still take that side. Just saying ideally I would take 2 1st's for him alone without returning an early 2nd. Sorry about the confusion

 
Non-PPR, Standard Scoring

I gave Tyreek, M. Mitchell + 2017 2nd round pick

And

I got Dez + (k) Hopkins (Yes a kicker don't judge me!) lol

Tex
Dez under performed, Hill is undervalued if they both perform like last year Tyreek side wins easily. Having said that I turned down Tyreek, Robby Anderson & Duke Johnson for Dez and believe there is a very good chance I'm gonna regret it.

 
Dez under performed, Hill is undervalued if they both perform like last year Tyreek side wins easily. Having said that I turned down Tyreek, Robby Anderson & Duke Johnson for Dez and believe there is a very good chance I'm gonna regret it.
Of course the smart money is on Dez being very likely to perform much better than last year and Tyreek to probably perform worse.

 
Hill and Paul Perkins, kings of the trade this year. Those guys have been getting some ridiculous deals.
Yeah, I've been really shocked by the value being given for those two guys (especially Hill recently). These last few Hill trades have been insane - wish I owned him in order to try and take advantage.

 
Dez under performed, Hill is undervalued if they both perform like last year Tyreek side wins easily. Having said that I turned down Tyreek, Robby Anderson & Duke Johnson for Dez and believe there is a very good chance I'm gonna regret it.
Yeah, not much of a chance really.

 

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