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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (19 Viewers)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I would rather have Ja'marr Chase over Fournette (had 1.1 and 1.2, both via trades). I used th pick on Bateman, but one could easily say Chase since I had both picks. I think there is a false sense of value for Fournette. His efficiency numbers were one of the worst for RBs and his numbers were because of volume. I don't expect he will have a 40 uptick in receptions like he did last year and I won't even bring up going a year without something wrong with his foot. Even if he continues to get receptions in 2020 (if there is a 2020), I suspect he won't have much dynasty value in 2021.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
You definitely got more upside so if that was your goal then you did pretty well. You definitely lost that this year as I don't see Sims as much and the Lions don't know how to use a TE at all.
All of these were done last off-season between February and draft.
Was FFPC and I gave Fournette and Corey Davis for Kelce and a 2020#1 which at the time I thought odds were on my side it would be pick 1-6 but ended up as pick 8. So pick ended up a little disappointing but still at end of the day it was Fournette/Corey Davis for what would end as Kelce/1.8.
Mentioned I bought him in two leagues.
Gave Gurley, Mckinnon, Gerald Everett and got back Fournette, Kupp, Lindsey, Hayden Hurst and 2020#1. Lindsey never made it to my team, dealt him for Kareem Hunt straight up and that 2020#1 ended up being 1.11 but it did not matter because mid-season it basically bought me half of Michael Thomas.
Gave 1.10 and Tevin Coleman to McKinnon owner for Fournette in another league.
So sold him once, bought him twice, happy with all 3 moves.
Not only do I suspect you are wrong about 2021 but I'll say in 2022 when he's the same age as Melvin Gordon is now he'll have more value then Melvin did while he was a FA. I'll also add I don't think Fournette has peaked yet with respect to fantasy production.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Not involved but .5 PPR:
DJ Chark for Juju
DJ Chark for Juju
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Why are his efficiency number so terrible?
Among 36 RBs with 40+ targets for the season, Fournette ranked 27th in yards per catch, 30th in yards per target, 25th in yards per route run. Despite a career-best 4.3 yards per rush, Football Outsiders rated Fournette just 34th among 45 qualifying RBs in both main rushing-efficiency metrics -- below average/replacement-level performance in each category. Pro Football Focus similarly graded Fournette just 41st in rushing among the 45 RBs with 100+ attempts in 2019.
Over his 3 seasons in the league, Fournette has touched the ball a lot when healthy. He ranks 4th in that span in carries per game and 3rd in touches per game. But among the top 100 RBs in total carries since the start of 2017, Fournette ranks just 66th in non-PPR points per touch and 63rd in PPR points per touch.
In short, he has feasted totally on touch volume.
The offense.
Volume matters and as I detailed yesterday his skill set is conducive to volume and but most off all the main fantasy touches which is goal line and pass catching. Non-goal line rushing production is fairly minimal for most RB's.
You can take efficiency, I'll take the RB putting up over 17 points a game despite playing with a turd offense and dealing with some injuries.
I anticipate 2021 being his last year as a Jaguar. If you hate Fournette you can say that's a volume concern. I view it more as opportunity to see improved efficiency when he's not on a broke offense.
Tejas
Footballguy
Exactly my thoughts on Singletary. Makes sense to add a back in the draft that’s a bit more dynamic receiving wise.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That was my thinking as well. My bro got Juju but the dude he was trading with is a huge Jags homer.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I traded RoJo but it was in a monster deal and I got a steal.
I gave RoJo, Carson, Waller, 1.3, 3.2
I got Barkley, Goedert, 4.7, 4.12
Not sure that helps at all.
Can't recall Jones getting traded in my leagues but I think both of those offers are fair. I'd not have hesitation of offending anyone making them.
dmac37
Footballguy
Yep straight up, if you look at various dynasty rankings it seems like they are close in value with Sanders gaining steam over Foiurnette as the off season moves on. Sanders is not a sure thing but I love the upside and I'm feeling like Fournette's value is going to continue to fall and I see his receptions being drastically reduced in the new system.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That might be a touch much for Fant unless it is TE Premium but for Lamar, I'd say go for it. Especially if it is a later 1st.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This could be relatively fair and Hunt going to a new team next year, it could lean the other way if he blows up. However, I'm not a Tannehill believer and RB value can change so much, especially with the league devaluing the position. I like this trade for Cooper as he should be a monster for years if he can stay healthy.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
No way I would do this in Dynasty...not even close...Lamar is 23 years old and was ridiculous last year...with him you have a chance to have a legit game-changer in your line-up...the return on this is dicey...while young Jones does not appear to be anything special...he could end up being solid or merely a JAG...as for the #1 you are rolling the dice on a prospect...best case scenario what do you get here compared to Lamar? Worst case you maybe giving up an easy top 3 QB over the next five years or so for nothing...you need to be getting a lot more back if you are gonna deal someone capable of winning multiple weeks during the season for you.
dmac37
Footballguy
Yes my opinion his value is going to continue to fall. For reasons Johhny U has posted and I don't think Gruden and the new system will use him at the high volume he has been used, especially as a receiving RB. There was a site that included Fournette as one of the fallers in rankings but I don't recall who that was.
ETA, it was CBS Sports showing Fournette at RB9 in January to RB15 in Feb.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/fantasy-football-running-back-dynasty-rankings-risers-and-fallers-plus-how-much-will-aaron-jones-regress/
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Yes, you are right...the meat of what I wrote stands...would need a lot more.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
For Lamar? Hell ya. Way too young, his running ability skyrockets his value, and Harbaugh is designing that offense around him completely. It would take a haul for me to move him.
ZWK
Footballguy
I have Fournette and Sanders back-to-back in my rankings, with Fournette in front. When I posted these rankings a month ago, I got pushback from some people who thought that I wasn't high enough on Sanders.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I know you asked him but I also sold Fournette last offseason, also in FFPC. Hard to nail down how he fits in this deal but it was Fournette, Funchess, Golladay, for Julio, Mack and Josh Gordon.
ETA my bad this was two years ago not one
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Tejas
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That was a good deal before last offseason but may not age well if Julio falls off and Kenny G becomes the man for years.
Tejas
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
For me definitely not...I would need to get a big "no doubt" upgrade in my starting line-up to even think about it...I get that QBs can be a dime a dozen in 1 QB leagues but Lamar and Mahomes are totally different especially in a Dynasty format...I maybe different because I always prefer having a definitive starter at QB (and TE)...I just don't like dealing with the weekly match-up game if I don't have to.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Just realized I was wrong. Deal was *two* offseasons ago. Julio has helped me win back to back ships in this one. And I later flipped Mack for Aaron Jones that same offseason. Julio has given me two elite WR seasons and I expect one more this year. But I did originally post thinking I had done it last year. Your comment made me think, though, because I was like wait I've had Julio longer than that. Anyway.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Don't think we see too many startup draft trades (particularly at this time of yr!) but here goes.
FFPC, SF, BB
Gave 6.4 & 11.9
Get 6.11, 10.12, 21.1, 22.12, 23.1, 24.12 & 25.1
Not as many QBs off the board as I might have expected but feel many will go right now. I had the 6.4 pegged for my 2d qb but feel I can get similar 7 spots later, but may consider giving back a little to move up a little if my guy is still around. FWIW, I haven't done a lot of SF and this might only be the 2nd time and that was a BB as well. Just couldn't resist having all the extra dart throws at the end of the draft even though my experience tells me it often doesn't pay off.
FFPC, SF, BB
Gave 6.4 & 11.9
Get 6.11, 10.12, 21.1, 22.12, 23.1, 24.12 & 25.1
Not as many QBs off the board as I might have expected but feel many will go right now. I had the 6.4 pegged for my 2d qb but feel I can get similar 7 spots later, but may consider giving back a little to move up a little if my guy is still around. FWIW, I haven't done a lot of SF and this might only be the 2nd time and that was a BB as well. Just couldn't resist having all the extra dart throws at the end of the draft even though my experience tells me it often doesn't pay off.
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jwsbowler
Footballguy
Dynasty 12 teamer, contract style cap, standard scoring, 1Q 1-R 2-W, 1-TE, 1-Flex, 1-K&D...
Team A: Gave DK Metcalf - DJ Chark
Team B: Gave Courtland - McLaurin
Team A was trying to cut contract cap for this upcoming year, and based on his roster, MetCalf would have been his #5 behind Hopkins, Godwin, AJ Brown, Jones (okay maybe #4). Team B would be Metcalf and Chark as top two.
Team A: Gave DK Metcalf - DJ Chark
Team B: Gave Courtland - McLaurin
Team A was trying to cut contract cap for this upcoming year, and based on his roster, MetCalf would have been his #5 behind Hopkins, Godwin, AJ Brown, Jones (okay maybe #4). Team B would be Metcalf and Chark as top two.
I like Sutton and Terry well enough, but I like the combination of Chark and DK quite a bit more than the other two.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
FFPC
Team A received A. Ekeler / 3.01 / 2021 1st (likely late)
Team B received K. Golladay / J. Crowder
Team A received A. Ekeler / 3.01 / 2021 1st (likely late)
Team B received K. Golladay / J. Crowder
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC Superflex
Team A gives Godwin, 3.02
Team B gives Daniel Jones, Paris Campbell, 2021 1st(I would say a strong playoff team)
Team A gives Godwin, 3.02
Team B gives Daniel Jones, Paris Campbell, 2021 1st(I would say a strong playoff team)
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Zyphros
Footballguy
I don't really subscribe to the thinking that QB's get super boosted in Superflex so I think this is Godwin rather easily. QB's are definitely worth more, but people want an arm and a leg for some average QB I say shove it.barackdhouse said:
That said Daniel Jones is my sleeper candidate for top5 QB numbers in 2020.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah it's not just the difference in opinion between those who maybe overvalue or undervalue QBs, or certain ones, but it is also the fact that they are much more scarce in Superflex. They tend to all be rostered, even in FFPC. Lots of people think Jones can be a top 5 QB. I do, but I also would take the Godwin side.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I am probably the biggest Daniel Jones guy on these boards but I still think I would take Godwin here.
In my experience QBs aren't as crazy valued in FFPC SF as in other SF leagues. For instance last year in one of my FFPC SF leagues I was the only one to take a QB in the first two rounds of the rookie draft (Murray at 1.01 and Haskins at 2.07).
In my experience QBs aren't as crazy valued in FFPC SF as in other SF leagues. For instance last year in one of my FFPC SF leagues I was the only one to take a QB in the first two rounds of the rookie draft (Murray at 1.01 and Haskins at 2.07).
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Top 5??????
Current top 6: Mahommes, Watson (top target is gone), Dak, Wilson (Mr. Consistent), Jackson, and Murray.
Someone has to fall from this group............
I own D. Jones and top 5 is a lofty expectation, maybe top 10 or 15 but top 5? I could only hope so!
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I went after Lamar in a Dyno league and the owner turned it down.
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
OH MY!So....you're tdmills (stored in memory). My guess is that as much as you trade, Fournette won't be on your team when the season starts......if it starts. When the season is cancelled I'll get my 2021 fees already paid and four players entering the league (Chase, Bateman, Waddle, and Lawrence).
Tex
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team ppr. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE).
team A gave: Mixon
team B gave: 1.01, J. Smith, 2021 2nd, 2021 3rd, 2021 3rd
team A gave: Mixon
team B gave: 1.01, J. Smith, 2021 2nd, 2021 3rd, 2021 3rd
