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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (41 Viewers)
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Footballguy
Definitely Williams...even if cuts were not involved...you nibbled around the edges of your roster and got a very intriguing player.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There’s some really really bad owners represented in here.
Blick
Footballguy
Right now, Williams. I may have waited a bit to pull the trigger on this one with the smoke that Sutton could be traded.
Editted to add: On second thought, just give me Williams.
Great deal
I don't know where Sutton could be traded that I'd change my mind. Especially since his problems come with him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Who spends a 1.06 pick where you know the player will miss most of the season, holds him all season and then when he’s recovered trade him away for spare parts?
It makes zero sense.
Might be a new owner
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Wrong thread
Pretty sure it is
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Jameson Williams is pretty obviously worth more right now than he was when people drafted him.
That new owner is obviously terrible. Please post any future trades he makes and remind us it's the owner who traded Jameson Williams for scraps.
That new owner is obviously terrible. Please post any future trades he makes and remind us it's the owner who traded Jameson Williams for scraps.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Still doesn’t make it a smart move - it’s worse in some ways, since he inherited Williams after some one else suffered the roster clogging aspect to his original acquisition - and then just gave him away for “pieces”.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Williamson would be the WR2 (and arguably the WR1) in this current class. Do you think those pieces gets someone the 1.03-1.05 in this draft?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I hope not. I traded Sutton, Montgomery, and Antonio Gibson for pick 1.11, and I still feel good about that.
Blick
Footballguy
I don't think I agree with this. He came back in week 13 (6 games) playing for a team fighting for their playoff lives and totaled 9 targets, 1 rec, 41 yards, 1 TD, 1 rush, 40 yards. I would not say its pretty obvious he's worth more.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He was recovering from an ACL tear - most players struggle in year one. This year he enters the season healthy - of course he’s worth more. People were paying for him knowing he’d be of no help in 2022.
foxco
Footballguy
Easy accept even if HOU brings in competition at WR which I think they will.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
He wasn't supposed to come back at all, and still showed super speed and a couple huge plays, one called back by penalty.
What did you expect coming off that injury as a rookie with no offseason or many reps?
I'd argue anyone that doesn't value him more right now then they did one year ago is doing it wrong.
Blick
Footballguy
Struggle!?!?
Based on FantasyPros 2022 rankings, Williams was 4th behind Hall, London, and Walker. No matter how I look at it, by either comparing him to his draft class, the value of the pick, or his value overall do I see anyway his value went up. I could be wrong, but I'm not paying a mid 1st for him.
Blick
Footballguy
I guess I'm doing it wrong and I'm ok with that. There is only a very short list of players that did nothing (injury or not) that go on to have great careers.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Because he was expected to miss all of 2022. He would have been WR1 (maybe WR2) by most experts if he was healthy.
I’m really not sure what you’re missing but I’ll drop it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What? This isn’t even remotely true. You do know he tore his ACL late in his college season, right? His rookie season was expected to be a red-shirt year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I'm not talking about his ADP.
If you didn't rank him that high last year that's fine.
I am talking about personal value to someone. If you personally value him less right now than you did a year ago, something's wrong with your process.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
He might not be worth more, but he's certainly not worth less.
Wouldn't trade him for any rookie WR this year outside of maybe JSN.
Wouldn't trade him for any rookie WR this year outside of maybe JSN.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yeah pretty much.
Let's put it this way, if someone drafted him top 5 last year but doesn't rank him in the top 5 in this draft, then you are doing it wrong.
You don't take a guy top 5 of a fairly decent draft KNOWING he just got hurt and won't play or will barely play, then view him as less valuable for not playing. Seems.......... counterintuitive.
If this was some superloaded stud draft then sure, he wouldnt be top 5. It's not though.
It's like the people who draft tight ends high then bail after one year when they don't do a lot.
Blick
Footballguy
I think this is where we differ. I remember reports that it was possible for him to return earlier since the injury was localized to the ACL. I don't think anyone expected him to sit out the year, which he didn't do. He played 6 games and either by design, not being fully recovered, or not fitting the offense, he did nothing with the opportunity. I hope he comes back this year and proves me wrong, but I'm not willing to increase his value beyond a mid/high 1st grade. Assuming he's on your team, what would you expect in return at this point in terms of draft capital?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don’t own him anywhere but I think he’s worth the 1.04 at a minimum.
I don’t feel like going back and forth on this (and won’t) but a lot of what you said, just isn’t true. Almost every expert and fantasy player knew 2022 was a red-shirt year - even if he did play in some games.
I don’t think you realize when the injury actually happened. No one (except for maybe you apparently) thought he would return early in the season. Those last 6 games where he was still recovering shouldn’t be what you base your evaluation on - either you liked him as a prospect or your didn’t. If you did, he’s worth more now, while he can actually play. Players on IR don’t return value.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I think my cutoff would be 1.04. I think Williams is a better WR prospect than everyone in this class bar JSN. That he hasn't been deemed healthy enough to take the field for a proper amount of snaps yet is an irrelevance to me right now.
I suspect if you'd picked him at 1.05-1.06 last year you'd probably feel the same. May well be one of those situations where owners and buyers have logically disparate views based on their risk. If I didn't own him I doubt I'd be looking to spend a pick as high as the 1.04 to get him either. But as an owner, it'd be outright foolish to accept less.
I suspect if you'd picked him at 1.05-1.06 last year you'd probably feel the same. May well be one of those situations where owners and buyers have logically disparate views based on their risk. If I didn't own him I doubt I'd be looking to spend a pick as high as the 1.04 to get him either. But as an owner, it'd be outright foolish to accept less.
Blick
Footballguy
The problem is that you said he's obviously worth more now. I said he isn't. The only part I got wrong is that I said I wouldn't pay a mid 1st for him. I would in this class, but I would not pay more than what I thought he was worth on draft day a year ago.
Blick
Footballguy
KTC had his value at 5726 on May 2, 2022. They have him valued at 5635 today.
Link
Link to WIlliams coming back mid-season and outlook.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Let's put this another way. Let's say you "grade" players for value.
Let's say hypothetically you graded Williams a 75 last year at this time. What do you grade him now?
That number HAS to be higher considering the red shirt roster clogging year is over.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That's also relative to other players, which can make sense cause the value of other players and picks change.
That rating doesn't represent the actual rating for that player in a vacuum though.
Blick
Footballguy
I understand where you're coming from. My opinion differs from yours because you are putting no stock into what we saw. I don't think DET was in a position to bring him along slowly once he was deemed healthy. He had 5 games going into the playoff to start to get up to speed. He didn't. Very small sample size, but I'm taking it into account.
Said another way, being healthy raises his value, what I saw/expected lowers it.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I don't think anything we saw would lower his value at all.
If anything it would go up seeing the two blazing huge plays he made, which is what he's there for.
Sure they coulda peppered him with short targets but why? They can save that for when he's 100%
sheerterror
Footballguy
Just completed
Gave: 1.8
Got: Ridley, 4.1
Need WR badly. Can't imagine there would be 6 WRs in this draft that I would prefer over Ridley's upside with Lawrence.
Gave: 1.8
Got: Ridley, 4.1
Need WR badly. Can't imagine there would be 6 WRs in this draft that I would prefer over Ridley's upside with Lawrence.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is a great move. Not sure any of those guys matters and Williams could be a stud.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Totally agree but he went 1.12 in my draft. Still holds true but not like he was a top end pick in all leagues. This isn't near enough for him though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Ok, in MOST leagues.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I think both of you are right in ways. I think he is basically worth the same overall value this year as he was last year as I don't think what we saw lowers his value but he could be drafted higher because he isn't injured so you could consider that raises his value some. He went 1.12 in our draft last year and I'd say if not injured (which he shouldn't be this year) then his value would be higher than that. That being said, I think I'd prefer to keep any top 6 pick personally over him as we don't know Goff is there long term, ASB is still there to take a ton of targets, and we haven't seen enough from him. I value him about the same though.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I think he should have been. I would have taken him higher than that but I moved my picks to go up and get Hall. Maybe some of the people in my league were right though as Olave, Wilson, London, and Watson could all end up being better than him. Skyy Moore, James Cook, and Dotson I don't think will though and the jury is still out on Burks.
Blick
Footballguy
Watson
foxco
Footballguy
Watson for sure I'd think. JW is basically holding steady, Watson showed and played well for stretches but QB uncertainty could temper enthusiasm.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I would bet Watson because we have seen it. Williams we are still projecting a ton but the talent is there.
foxco
Footballguy
Fair, I'd probably take the pick right now but agree Ridley could easily be a stud with TL.
Thanks for replies and I think Watson did so easily. He also went a few picks after Jameson so he had more ground to make up.
I asked the question because a few weeks ago someone traded Watson for 1.4 and some change and a few people here were saying that was to much for Watson, he had not done enough to have his value grow that high. It seems to me some of those same people are putting Jameson's value on par with range of 3-5(which I agree with fwiw, not disputing that). Just thought it was interesting.
Blick
Footballguy
I'd probably take the pick on my rebuilds, but not contenders. Therefore this seems fair.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Edit to remove joke I was going to make a long time ago but didn't but was still there.
This all makes sense. It's what I was thinking and I didn't even know it yet.
Blick
Footballguy
Interesting observation. I think I was on the 1.04 side in that conversation but there was a strong argument for the Watson side.
If I were offered Watson for Williams straight up, I'd take Watson at this point. I feel like I'm on an island considering Williams play last season, so I'm probably relying on it too heavily.
