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I was not as down on Williams play last year as you appear to be, though to be fair it was not overly encouraging either but to me it was more or less expected in light of his injury recovery.
Me too, without hesitation. Remember, Ridley wasn’t that great the season before the suspension if memory serves.
Picks
Sure. The first round last year really went well for most. Hardly any pitfalls.
That's higher then I thought Ridley's value had ascended but then I guess that's why I can't obtain him. My history of spending late 1's for older WR's is god awful so I could not do it but understand if you got a need, I believe strongly in Ridley and think you should benefit greatly in next 2-3 years.
From a value of what you could sell for, I’d say Watson.
I might be a sucker for the sob story, but his article in the Athletic explained all of that. He was massively injured and kept playing through it.
I won the league 2 seasons ago, and lack a clear WR1. Not to call Ridley a WR1, but his potential is certainly there. A year off to recover mentally and physically, with a top young QB and ascending offense could fill that need for me with late-mid 1st, which is much cheaper than I would have to pay for most other WRs with his upside.
Too rich for my blood. I respect him more after the letter, but not enough to pay 1.08 for him.
I think you could be a little bit but nothing wrong with it. I like the upside so I'd probably take Williams over Watson but I wouldn't trade 1.04 for either of them. Watson did go like 3 picks before Williams in our draft. I can see both sides though as Watson looked good at times. I think Williams didn't do anything to help or hurt his value but you don't have to redshirt him now. Probably preference though as both have a bunch of upside.
Pretty easily taking the 1.08 over the to-be 29 year old WR with a single 1K season under his belt who hasn’t played in two years, no matter whether I’m contending or rebuilding. Pretty surprised that’s where Ridley’s value is at.
I think Ridley is in that spot where he is worth more to the current owner as it would take 1.08 or so to part with him but I wouldn't trade him for that. I just turned down 2.01 for him but I have a very much win now team.
No way would I give the 1.08 for Ridley.
Did team B not hear about the Monty signing before hitting accept on this offer?
Rookie fever starting to creep in.
No kidding.
My God, what are people thinking?
The deal makes zero sense. I'm sure there will be players that emerge - but it's a long and tough road for any rookie to put up Deebo's numbers during their careers - and at 1.09 that will take a ton of luck.
Even if Ja-Will was back instead of Monty....with Swift's injury history, he isn't worth the 1.07 any more I don't think. I tried telling people in this thread last year that he was over valued but got a lot of arguments. Unless Swift could stay on the field and have the bigger % of a committee then this is definitely too much for him.
This is way too low on Deebo. Especially in 1 QB as you don't even get the bump of those 4 QBs going in that top 9. I think most leagues have some guys that fall in love with rookies way too much.
I guess I'm still just the crazy Swifty truther, but no, just no way I'd trade Swift for a pick lower than 1.03. Ceiling isn't likely, but it's plausible and it's extreme.
Really? You still believe that? How many years will it take? I would take the 1.7 and 2.7 and run.
I agree. I'd almost feel bad taking 1.07.
For 1-2 games sure but I think we have seen enough in 3 years that we can be pretty confident he can't hit that ceiling for a season. You will get more games where he doesn't play much or you can't play him at all to make him worth a top end pick. I get why people like him though. He passes the eye test when right, playing well, and being used by his team. Problem is those 3 things happen maybe 2-3 times per year. Plus, nobody is going to pay him and commit to him for a 2nd deal either so I don't see that changing at all.
I think I’d almost take 1.7 alone for him at this point.
I'm pretty sure I would. I know I wouldn't pay 1.07 for him personally. I don't like the idea of paying up for a guy that I can't play a ton of the year and I don't see a long term future anywhere.
(Probably not tho)
I feel like this may be the last justifiable season to be a believer. One major key to me is the question of "durability concern" versus "random bad luck in health". If he's out or limited the majority of the season again, then yeah I guess that would probably convince me he just can't hold up. But my high valuation of him depends on the possibility that what we've seen is a rather unlikely fluke. The sample size is getting pretty significant, though. Flip a coin 50 times and tell me every significant portion of the result sequence looks completely patternless.
I don't mind taking a chance on Bateman here as I do like his talent. It totally depends on where that pick falls. If it ends up falling early then you will lose this. If it is late, you should be good. Mid seems about fair. Totally just need him healthy though but if he fixes that then this could pay off. Seems about right to me but I don't play any IDP and only play SF in redraft leagues for what my oppinnion is worth in this format.16-team SF PPR IDP
Gave: 2024 mid-to-late 1st
Received: Roshad Bateman
Took a chance - my WR corps is Higgins, Aiyuk, Mooney, GDavis, Dorsett, Mims, so I needed a WR bad. And in a 16 team league with deep rosters (50+taxi) it’s tough to pull off trades.
When healthy Bateman slots in as my WR3, maybe WR2. He’s been snakebit by injury so I’m betting on talent. 1st round pick, size/speed. Lisfranc doesn’t scare me as much as it once did.
Maybe he’ll pop off at the GM again and get traded.
I was the 8th highest scoring team last year after losing Hall, Lance, and 6 IDP players.
Most people will probably prefer the pick here, but I’m fine taking Bateman. I was a big fan of his coming into the league and I’m still a believer. He just has to stay on the field. Definitely like it even more if the pick ends up late.16-team SF PPR IDP
Gave: 2024 mid-to-late 1st
Received: Roshad Bateman
Took a chance - my WR corps is Higgins, Aiyuk, Mooney, GDavis, Dorsett, Mims, so I needed a WR bad. And in a 16 team league with deep rosters (50+taxi) it’s tough to pull off trades.
When healthy Bateman slots in as my WR3, maybe WR2. He’s been snakebit by injury so I’m betting on talent. 1st round pick, size/speed. Lisfranc doesn’t scare me as much as it once did.
Maybe he’ll pop off at the GM again and get traded.
Possibly but he had shoulder issues in college too and now that is one of the issues he is having in the pros too. Also, a groin injury he had in college that he also had in the pros. When hurting the same body parts that can't be just bad luck. Plus, even when he was supposedly healthy last year, it didn't seem like he had full trust of the Lions.
I was more meaning knowing draft pick value in that format. Seems like a decent move if trades are hard to come by specifically.
I want the pick by 5 miles or so. But, we have only a 2-3 WR lineup, and I have very good WR's already. So a mid-to-late first would either be a top 6 rookie RB which is usually a top asset, or very possibly Harrison. If not Harrison, there's almost no way I'd have to dig deeper than WR2 with a mid-to-late first. Which is certainly much better than Bateman's value.16-team SF PPR IDP
Gave: 2024 mid-to-late 1st
Received: Roshad Bateman
Took a chance - my WR corps is Higgins, Aiyuk, Mooney, GDavis, Dorsett, Mims, so I needed a WR bad. And in a 16 team league with deep rosters (50+taxi) it’s tough to pull off trades.
When healthy Bateman slots in as my WR3, maybe WR2. He’s been snakebit by injury so I’m betting on talent. 1st round pick, size/speed. Lisfranc doesn’t scare me as much as it once did.
Maybe he’ll pop off at the GM again and get traded.
Just a FYI, in college he was always nicked. He didn’t miss a lot of games, but was constantly coming out of games for some boo boo or another. Just like in the pros there always seem to be something with him. Just like Staley said, he doesn’t know the difference between pain and injury.
Good points. Yes, the trust situation is irritating, too. Suppose -- just suppose, humor me -- he goes out there and rocks it in the receiving game, and the occasional shots he gets on the ground. Outperforms Montgomery by a good margin. Has no injuries or practice limitations through the first 5 games. I feel like he could slowly garner that trust back. Basically, just saying, though injuries and trust may be two problems, if the former is solved, the latter could/should follow. Now, the odds that the above suppositions actually come true? Okay, maybe a generous 15%. Y'all probably saying "generous? That's an understatement."
16 team league. A late 1st will be 10-16
Oh yeah that's one thing I didn't think to factor in, was still thinking 5-12ish.
I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative. He is nicked a lot, dating back to college and Staley did say he needs to know the diffence between pain and injury. That isn’t false narrative.
All absolutely possible. It’s what kept me from dealing him last year in the preseason (that, and lack of any semblance of a fair offer).
Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.
