ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC standard
CMC and Evan Engram
For
1.04, 1.09, 2.09, 3.04, and a 2024 3rd
CMC and Evan Engram
For
1.04, 1.09, 2.09, 3.04, and a 2024 3rd
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I thought so, especially after he was linked to the two best QBs on the planet today
I like the CMC side as he’s a true difference maker in FFPC. It’s my belief that this is who you obtain 1sts for the likes of - trading for studs not trying to draft the next stud, especially with 4 and 9 this year
I think it's a good time to sell CMC but this return is not doing nearly enough for me.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
D-Hop is old so may not get a ton for him, especially if he stays in AZ as he was not great last year once Kyler went down but these picks aren't amazing assets so nothing you can't live without. I'd pay this all day if I thought I could win now. Good move.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This isn't a terrible return but I'd want a higher pick for CMC and the 3rds are really nothing. Engram isn't much either so it isn't really bad but just feels a little light for how elite CMC still is.
He's not staying in Arizona but Hopkins had 5 games last year without Kyler(if you count the game Kyler got hurt early) and he had one bad fantasy game. One bad fantasy game all year for that matter out of the 9 he played which was the Trace McSorley game. One can argue it was all based on volume and that's fair, but for fantasy purposes he was good with or without Kyler so long as he at least had McCoy.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I dunno - 2x 1sts and change?
I think it’s fair. I wouldn’t sell unless it included a top 3 pick, but I can’t say it’s not a fair deal.
Both of my more trusted calcs (and one less trusted) have it as a big overpay. Like by 30-40%
But like I said - if it’s me dealing CMC, that 1.04 in standard format doesn’t quite get it done.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
That's where I'm at.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I agree that it is fair-ish value. I would just need 1.03 at least to get a blue chip talent in the draft. Might be the best offer he could get and if you are set on selling, this isn't a terrible return. Definitely don't see it as a big overpay.
titusbramble
Footballguy
10 team SF, not involved:
Team A sends: Jefferson, Taylor
Team B sends: Daniel Jones, Jeudy, Burks, 1.01
jordan if you're reading please comment on this one after a league mate picked up on you severely criticising me for sending waller and evans last week, it has been requested after it was noticed you picked up on the previous trade
Team A sends: Jefferson, Taylor
Team B sends: Daniel Jones, Jeudy, Burks, 1.01
jordan if you're reading please comment on this one after a league mate picked up on you severely criticising me for sending waller and evans last week, it has been requested after it was noticed you picked up on the previous trade
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Blockbuster. I’ll take Jefferson + Taylor side easily.
Hard to judge as I’m not used to 10-team deals. I’m guessing the trade calcs will say it’s fair. It’s still a $0.50 pieces + 3 quarters for 2x $0.50 pieces.
That said, I’m betting Daniel jones isn’t as valuable in a 10-team SF, given the smaller league size. So even more reason for me to like the JJ+Taylor side.
joey
Footballguy
Team B wins the league next year if they have 2 good QBs10 team SF, not involved:
Team A sends: Jefferson, Taylor
Team B sends: Daniel Jones, Jeudy, Burks, 1.01
jordan if you're reading please comment on this one after a league mate picked up on you severely criticising me for sending waller and evans last week, it has been requested after it was noticed you picked up on the previous trade
titusbramble
Footballguy
there is a reason they had the #1 pickTeam B wins the league next year if they have 2 good QBs10 team SF, not involved:
Team A sends: Jefferson, Taylor
Team B sends: Daniel Jones, Jeudy, Burks, 1.01
jordan if you're reading please comment on this one after a league mate picked up on you severely criticising me for sending waller and evans last week, it has been requested after it was noticed you picked up on the previous trade
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m just telling you how things are out here on these streets.
joey
Footballguy
I was making a bold call with zero skin in the game. Gotta entertain the troops somehow.there is a reason they had the #1 pickTeam B wins the league next year if they have 2 good QBs10 team SF, not involved:
Team A sends: Jefferson, Taylor
Team B sends: Daniel Jones, Jeudy, Burks, 1.01
jordan if you're reading please comment on this one after a league mate picked up on you severely criticising me for sending waller and evans last week, it has been requested after it was noticed you picked up on the previous trade
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
1.04 - 2.06
for
1.08 - 24 1st
for
1.08 - 24 1st
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
1.08, 2024 1st easily. I have a drop off after 1.03 and have the next tier all lumped together. Any idea where the 2024 1st will be?
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
It was 1.08 this year. 1.14 the year before.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Do the guys at 1-3 have the same top 3 though?
Is there a consensus top 3 right now that is so strong that it won't change after the draft???
All that said, I also prefer 1.08 and the future 1st
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Yeah I think it’s obvious. Only thing I see is more being added to the 3 because of draft spot.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Robinson, Gibbs, JSN for start 1QB leagues, with Gibbs and JSN interchangeable. Robinson, Stroud, Young for SF.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I think there's an excellent chance the 1QB leagues top 3 change after the draft.
It's possible and most years I feel that way but right now the gap between 3 and 4 seems large to me so if I was betting on it I'd say it won't change but would be silly to say it's not possible.
And I still have a little bit of a gap between Gibbs and JSN at 2-3. For me I almost can't think of a landing spot that would logically be possible for me to not have Gibbs as a top 3 players in this draft, going to take a whole lot of something negative to bump me off 2 for him. He's a worthy 1.1 most years to me.
Long story short I would not right now trade for 1.4 on the hope on the current consensus top 3 is available. I would plan on what I consider the most likely outcome that they are not. That's a tough looking spot right now and I wonder if anyone would even have a 30-40% vote share if we were voting on it in one start QB leagues? I've no doubt the draft will clear it up a great deal, I just don't trust one of the top 3 to fall.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d take 1.08 & the ‘24 1st, but it’s a tough call in standard format. In SF I’d easily keep the 1.04.
In standard, one could land any one of Gibbs, or one of the top 3 WR.
Depending on landing spots, that 1.04 could easily be 1. The best player in this deal, and 2. A higher tier than expected if a value player falls.
That this could end up being 1.08 & 1.14 based on follow-up comments, making it a much worse deal for the team giving up 1.04
Tough call. I might want to hold onto that 1.04, the more I consider it.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I don’t see it either. Agree with meno. It’s possible a RB gets a greaaaaaat spot and people over draft that RB.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Like CEH, lol. Yes, I’m still laughing at that one.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
but the comment is still relevant, right?
CEH was a bust of an early draft pick, but the point is he was still an early draft pick due to landing spot.
Pretty sure FF managers will burn their finger on that toaster every year until eternity. When they run out of fingers it’ll be toes.
But they’ll keep taking 1st round RB because of landing spots just as they always have & always will.
And there might be some juicy pairings this year, with a deep RB class & several teams with a need. All it takes is one to disrupt everyone’s apparent March 26th absolute certainty if the 2023 FF draft order.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Oh I agree, but it’s still funny. Sorry to anyone I struck a nerve with. I took him at 1.02 in one league, but didn’t have the embarrassment of taking him over Taylor.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No nerve struck - I didn’t have a 1st to take him with.
I did make him part of my Mahomes trade package, then miraculously flipped him for my own ‘23 1st which became a rebuild then Bijan, so I’m actually delighted every time I see his name.
Boston
Footballguy
I made the CEH mistake and it was more than just the landing spot...it was an excellent organization with a HC who had success with players like Westbrook and Hunt and then used a 1st round pick on CEH...that is what is often overlooked...it wasn't CEH getting drafted in the third round by KC...that would be a case of simply landing spot being the overriding factor...when you add in the other stuff that is what makes the pain of that decision so hard...the other thing which I will never understand is that they have always used CEH as more of a between the tackles RB...he is rarely in space...that has always been confusing to me...if that was the type of RB KC was looking for the decision to draft him over Taylor is even more perplexing.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, this has come up more than a few times in discussion here over the years.
Folks expected his usage to be Westbrook-ish. Yet the Chiefs kept hammering him between the tackles and barely threw to him.
It’s possible that he just wasn’t showing well in practice, so they didn’t do it on game days. That’s the only thing I can think of.
Heck, Reid even threw to Pacheco in the playoffs with success! So it’s not like Reid changed his approach to RBs. He just changed his approach for CEH.
The short yardage rushing failures were pretty much on CEH though. He’s just not good at it, despite getting many chances.
I'm not involved in this one, but I'm including it because of the few times that Jordan Love has been mentioned in superflex.
FFPC Superflex
Team A gave: Jordan Love, 6.03
Team B gave: 2.10, 7.08, '24 R3
I believe there was an earlier deal of Love for the 1.11 and '24 R1. Last week in an FFPC Triflex, I traded the 1.11 for Love. This deal just seems crazy low, but cutdown is on Friday, and the team that traded away Love seems desperate to get down to 16 players.
I have the 1.12, 2.08 and 2.12 in this league. This is one of those cases where so many people said how trading the 1.11 for Love was such a steal that I never would have thought to offer the 2.08 straight up for Love, and yet that would have been a better deal for him than the one that was actually accepted.
FFPC Superflex
Team A gave: Jordan Love, 6.03
Team B gave: 2.10, 7.08, '24 R3
I believe there was an earlier deal of Love for the 1.11 and '24 R1. Last week in an FFPC Triflex, I traded the 1.11 for Love. This deal just seems crazy low, but cutdown is on Friday, and the team that traded away Love seems desperate to get down to 16 players.
I have the 1.12, 2.08 and 2.12 in this league. This is one of those cases where so many people said how trading the 1.11 for Love was such a steal that I never would have thought to offer the 2.08 straight up for Love, and yet that would have been a better deal for him than the one that was actually accepted.
Boston
Footballguy
This deal doesn't make sense to me...I know the Rodgers situation is dragging on, but it does feel like it's a matter of when more than if...once that deal goes down this becomes a horrible deal...in SF QBs are gold and I'm sorry but you need to be smarter in your roster management than this...you just gave up a potential starting QB for what? Just a steal for the new Love owner.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I wish I could have picked up Love this reasonably.
That’s an absolute bargain. Sure, there’s risk of him not planning out, but in SF you have to take those risks.
At this price Team A just gave away a ton of value.
team B should have trouble sleeping at night.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I posted before seeing your post.
I coulda saved the typing, quoted you and said “ditto”.
Just awful.
I had CEH rated very high, as an early draft pick before the NFL draft. Had been doing mid-stakes redrafts before the draft, in some cases specifically to get him as I thought his value would go up after the NFL draft.
Does that make me smarter for being ahead of the curve or dumber for being ahead of a THAT curve?
The landing spot moved him up a little, the Brian Westbrook dreams were to easy to see. I just always like to refute the notion he was only picked so high just because of landing spot.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Jacobs easily.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That certainly wasn’t my intention/contention, but I can see how it read that way.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Good lord Jacobs smash accept team A!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dillon side.
Had room to spare. J. Taylor, S. Barkley. B. Robinson, T. Algeier, R. Mostert. And wherever McKinnon and Fournette end up.
PPR league, I'd rather bolster the WR group which is A.J. Brown, J. Waddle, M. Williams, Jameson Williams, C. Claypool, J. Dotson, D. Slayton and J. Palmer.
Plan on going RB with the 1.09 and 2.03.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I understand - I expected that you had RB depth to do it.
I just don’t think you received great value for Dillon.
I’m not a big Marquis Brown guy though, and his QB is hurt. I have AJD in a big league, and I’d want more for him than that.
I thought so as well.
Was a great trade IMO for the team that got Jacobs because he's got some really good pieces outside of RB which he was in bad need of getting.
The team that gave up Jacobs is loaded but has a lot of aging RB's in Ekeler, CMC, Henry along with Rhamondre and Jacobs. He posted last night he needed to trim his roster for cuts but I look at his roster and see some really easy cuts so did not seem that much of an issue to me. He's a really good owner and knows what he is doing so who am I to question him is valid but if I was him I'd have been trying hard to move an older RB, but this was not the deal to do.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I expect the dudes team to be about where it was this year, floating on the edge of the playoffs. Could be 1.12ish if things go to plan, could be 1.06ish if things don't go well. He certainly won't win it this year unless there is some sort of catastrophe for the top 2 or 3 teams.
I'm sort of biding my time in this league waiting for a couple of excellent but ageing sides to wind down a bit, so pushing capital around and into the future is welcome and necessary. I'll still have the 1.03, 1.06 and then 1.08 with four 1sts in 24. I think being competitive after this season is realistic in this rebuild.
The guy hasn't actually accepted it yet, although he came to me with the deal, and if it doesn't go through I'll be content to wait till the draft to see where things are at. I've got a big pool of players between 1.04 and about 1.14 all ranked basically the same and I'm not convinced that any landing spot is going to alter them drastically for me. Even someone like Zay Flowers going to the Chiefs for example, that probably puts them at the higher end of that list but it isn't going to push them over the top into a tier of their own I don't think. There will be at least 5 players landing somewhere acceptable within this tier, I'll be happy to take any of them and turn a mid 2nd into a 1st at the same time.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree
