For the record, I never "suggested that he is a WR3." The aggregate numbers place him as a low end WR1 or high end WR2. This whole debate started because a few were incredulous that anyone would trade Cooks for a couple of prospects. As you correctly quoted, I stated that Cooks is an incredible WR3 and a fun WR2 to have. But if Cooks is your WR1 then I hate to break it to you but you're not a legit title contender unless your team is stacked around him. Those three weeks that he puts up 30+ are all fine and dandy and give you a solid leg up to pull out three victories. But when he's averaging 11.1ppg in standard ppr with zero 100 yard games over the course of the other 14 outings as your WR1 then your team is getting slaughtered. Those are the numbers. Back to the origin, it's simply not unreasonable to trade Brandin Cooks for Corey Coleman and CJ Prosise.
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Tough call IMO. I think I take the picks pre-draft after much debate. I think there's a chance that a RB other than Fournette/Cooks is drafted into what's considered a perfect landing spot (Green Bay, Oakland, New England, Indy, etc) and is there for the taking at 1.05 or possibly leapfrogs one of Williams/Davis thus leaving one there for the taking at 1.05. I also think there's a chance, albeit small, that the Chargers take a WR in the first couple of rounds which could further torpedo Allen's value. Throw in Allen's injury history and the emergence of Henry/Williams and I'm going to cash in and take the picks on this one.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I take the trio pretty easily here.
Edit: Maybe I am way too low on Cam, don't see him as the unanimous top dynasty QB anymore, though he's definitely top 3-5 still.
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matttyl
Footballguy
Hmm, interesting. Because you really like Hill and Perkins, or because you don't see much of a gap between the QBs?
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TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I don't think the gap is huge and I like the other two enough. Getting return yardage points is real nice for Tyreek. I have been in the minority quite frequently on here lately so perhaps it is just me.
One More Rep
Footballguy
I would take the trio also. I am fine with Cousins as my qb and I would probably hold Perkins and look to flip Hill asap
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
That is probably likely, however it's worth noting in that trade he mentioned that league drafts before the NFL draft. So he would have to guess who that RB is ahead of time and get lucky that they're one of the ones that gets picked to a good spot.
I take the trio if I have a soft roster with some holes, or if I think I can quickly turn Perkins (or even Hill) into something. And I do it because I actually like Cousins as much or more than Newton going forward.
In most of my leagues, though, roster spots are at such a premium that I only do it if Hill and/or Perkins is notably better than what is on my bench.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Surprised by the responses on this. In a 10 team league, you take the difference maker over the depth. I don't play in return yardage leagues however, so maybe that makes Hill a difference maker.
Warhogs
Footballguy
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Eww, not sure where to go with this because I like Kev White more than most, but think I prefer Adams here.
Warhogs
Footballguy
Give me Adams. I can see someone taking the 3 if they have really deep rosters and need to improve depth. I just feel like Adams becomes Rodgers top target for the next few seasons.
matttyl
Footballguy
The league is pretty active, especially around our rookie draft time. While it's a 31 man roster (plus one IR spot and 3 rookie "practice squad" spots) during the season (and it's an IDP league), the offseason has unlimited roster space. He'll just have to make his roster legal before week 1 starts. He'll have plenty of opportunity to package one of those players with picks and move up and down the draft and such.Arodin said:
Someone is seriously undervaluing Hyde's market. I do not care if you believe in him or not, as a current top ten rated dynasty RB in ever list I can find, his value is, at the very worst, 1.5... and probably closer to 1.3. There is no way i would trade Hyde straight up for Mixon (or any rookie available at 1.3) unless Zeke loses his leg in horrible Sudoku accident and Mixon gets draft by the Cowboys.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well he was only saying that Cooks put up 3 top flight WR1 weeks, not that he is a WR1. I don't think anyone would be comfortable with him as their WR1. I think his volatility plays well as a WR2/3 though since his huge weeks can put you over the top and you can survive his down weeks.SayWhat? said:
jeaton6 said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well, I'm interpreting that differently, since he's talking about his numbers (and his numbers are not open to interpretation - he's either top 12 or he's not).
To me I can say "Cooks put up WR1 numbers" but still not think of him as a fantasy WR1. I don't see many leagues where he is some one's top WR.
To me I can say "Cooks put up WR1 numbers" but still not think of him as a fantasy WR1. I don't see many leagues where he is some one's top WR.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I like the Cousins side by quite a bit. I can see Cam slowing down his ground tds as age/wear continues. Cousins is not shabby and Hill with returns has big upside.
matttyl
Footballguy
matttyl
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
He's yet to play 16 games or crack 1,000 yards in 3 attempts. He's not great ouf of the backfield and there's about a 100% chance he has more competition moving foward. Paying the 1.03 feels more suspect to me than selling him for the 1.09.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'd take Howard in both, assuming start 2+. I'd also trade him for this, if I had the luxury. These both look about right to me.
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I like Cooks and I have picks 1.3 and 2.4 in a league and I asked myself if I would deal it for Cooks and found my answer to what I think of this trade which is I'd rather have the picks.
jeaton6
Footballguy
I interpreted "fun WR2" as you're not viewing him as a WR2 more of a "fun, erratic WR2", thus my conclusion you were viewing him as a WR3. For the record my team was not stacked around him (IMO) but still had best record, top VPs, top points and won the title with the following:SayWhat? said:
Wilson, Bell/Zeke/Forte/Powell, Cooks/Djax/Rishard Mathews, Graham.
Sure he is better suited as a WR2 (and in many cases is exactly that as another poster suggested) but he put up WR1 numbers (WR7 overall to be precise) and can serve as an ample WR1 for many teams, doesn't take a special lineup around him as shown above.
Taking out the top 3 games from everyone plunges ppg stats. Cooks goes from 16.1 to 11.7. Guys who finished close to Cooks in YE WR points: Evans from 19.1 to 15.7, Hilton from 17.2 to 13.9, Baldwin from 16.6 to 12.7, Julio 18.2 to 13.6.
If you take those same guys and throw out their bottom 3 games also you get:
Cooks from 16.1 to 14.4, Evans from 19.1 to 18.0, Hilton from 17.2 to 16.5, Baldwin from 16.6 to 14.7, Julio from 18.2 to 16.7.
The point being all these guys have some huge games and some underwhelming games and while Cooks' variance might be a bit high it's not that far from everybody else.
I agree it's not an unreasonable trade (in particular if you are high on both, personally I'm in the middle on them and think their sample size is too small to glean too much about them) but this is certainly a 50 cent piece and a quarter for a dollar situation to me (at best).
northern exposure
Footballguy
A couple of recent trades. 12 team non-ppr dynasty league with 53 man rosters.
Team A gives: 2017 3.3 Rookie Draft Pick
Team B gives: Breshad Perriman
Team A gives: 2017 2.3 Rookie Draft Pick, 2017 5.3 Rookie Draft Pick
Team B gives: Randall Cobb, 2017 5.8 Rookie Draft Pick
Team A gives: 2017 3.3 Rookie Draft Pick
Team B gives: Breshad Perriman
Team A gives: 2017 2.3 Rookie Draft Pick, 2017 5.3 Rookie Draft Pick
Team B gives: Randall Cobb, 2017 5.8 Rookie Draft Pick
One More Rep
Footballguy
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Footballguy
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Footballguy
jeaton6
Footballguy
Yikes. 1.4 landslide. I could see moving from 1.8 to 1.6 for this but honestly doubt moving to 1.4 with 1.5/2.8/3.11 gets it done given the present tier break.
jeaton6
Footballguy
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Footballguy
garlicduck
Footballguy
Agree - giving Perriman away at this price. He was a #1 pick who missed his rookie year due to injury, not all the way back this year. Plus, Steve Smith retiring means he should start.
I'd like Cobb for a #2 pick also.
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 team dynasty PPR
Team A got Lamar Miller
Team B got Eddie Lacy, Tyreek Hill
Team A got Lamar Miller
Team B got Eddie Lacy, Tyreek Hill
garlicduck
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I like crabs ? here too. He is underrated a bit, I think it's due to his days in sf lingering. He was on the right track when their organization fell apart, now he has two solid showings with Oakland. Maclin and crabs ? would probably be even if Alex smith would target his WRs and be a little more aggressive, but Oakland has a dynamic offense with carr. I don't think garçon gets me over that hump, even if he ends up in a good situation.
