kutta
Footballguy
It was just odd to see two people say they were buying him where they could. I feel like I’m missing something.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
This was where I was at when I saw those posts. I checked to see if he was owned and stopped there.
JackReacher
Footballguy
A few reasons.
He for sure has redraft value or 2018 value. He's odds on favorite as handcuff to a RB who has history of missing a few games a year and it's possible he can be a weak stand alone option due to receiving work.
Dynasty speaking he is an UFA and his timing might be ideal in that it looks like leanest RB draft we've seen in a few years. @Dr. Dan earlier referenced McKinnon and that's fresh on people's minds as a somewhat forgotten about RB who FA totally altered his value/outlook.
I agree with all of this line of thinking myself. It's really not crazy. I even recall after his rookie season, before they signed Ivory, he was ranked as a top 5 dynasty RB by people on this site. I traded him in a league during that timeframe for Freeman who was coming off his breakout season, referenced to give an idea of where his value was at the time. He's a 225 guy with a legit three down skill set.
I used to be a major Yeldon investor, thought he had elements of Bell in his game. I think he's a great low cost gamble and if you have Fournette he should be a no brainer. You secure your likely handcuff with 2019 potential. The biggest knock I have on Yeldon is despite his frame and 3 down skill set the more you ask him to do the less you get. When he is called upon for spot duty he often looks great, but he can't seem to string multiple games together when he's asked to do more. But again referencing McKinnon I'd have said the same thing about him.
In short, he's worth a low cost shot to me in any format.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
There has been some buzz about Yeldon being the clear #2, as well as the likely receiving back, so I guess that spurred some action?
JackReacher
Footballguy
Correct. And I believe this is the NFL perception of him. It’s why I don’t see him being heavily targeted next spring. I don’t think he commands a McKinnon contract or anywhere near it.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Absolutely not. But in hindsight, I guess it was in the range of outcomes. I don’t see any brilliance in Yeldon’s game or athleticism that will attract major bidders. And I like him as a player; just more of a roster guy, not one you pay big $$.
ETA: along with the original point that he has not shown ability to sustain performance over multiple weeks.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I agree with everything that @menobrown said.
When Jacksonville drafted fournette it was largely because Yeldon was a major disappointment. I think I had read somewhere that Jacksonville didnt feel Yeldon was mature enough to take the leap they needed him to take. Last year he did take that leap. He is reportedly taking a much more serious approach to football and it shows.
Fournette's ankle issue has been discussed at length. to summarize, he will always have laxity at his ankle and prone to injury there. maybe even catastrophic injury (bi or trimalleolar fracture due to complete loss of ligamentous stability). Yeldon is bound to get some time.
I also see Yeldon as having 2018 value even with a healthy Yeldon. He has potential for 4-5 receptions a game, possible flex play at times.
He's relatively cheap.
The 2019 FA situation is very favorable, especially given the incoming rookie pool.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
12 team PPR TE premium best ball
Team A gives 1.12, 2.09, Meredith
Team B gives Parker, Martavis, ASJ
Team A gives 1.12, 2.09, Meredith
Team B gives Parker, Martavis, ASJ
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I'd argue it's a range of outcome's for him and would not agree I don't see things in his game that don't make him worth that kind of investment for a team. He just needs to be more consistent but he has a versatile three down skill set in a power backs body and that fits a lot of offenses.
But if anyone is advocating paying a major premium for him I'm out but I fully support him as a low cost investment. It's an investment I only have undertaken myself on one team and it's a Fournette team and I think I paid 3.12 in this years rookie draft(after I cut Yeldon in March). That's a price range I can support.
In an league like FFPC if the rules were like they were a few years ago, when we had to do cuts before FA, I'd think less of him in that format in terms of being interested in holding him after the season. I think I'd have cut McKinnon on some teams if those rules were in place like that this year. But with cuts post FA I just think if you can roster him on the cheap and see how FA treats him it's a good strategy. So if in 2018 he is nothing more than a third down/backup to a healthy Fournette and someone cuts him late in the year I'd try and pick him up myself.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I like it for team getting Parker and if Martavis avoids suspension a potentially big win.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I dont think Marquis Lee is considered big $$
He was a "throw in" on a deal where I got him, but a throw in I insisted on.
If you can trade a dime a dozen WR for him, that's great. there are always more of them out there.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I probably also should have mentioned it is best ball. And the new Martavis owner also has Cooper. That's 1.5 PPR for TEs.
JackReacher
Footballguy
As stated earlier, he is a useful player with PPR appeal. And I agree that he’s worth a punt in the FFPC. Where we disagree is his potential FA market next spring. I have no issue with the strategy of holding and hoping but don’t think those owners will be rewarded like McKinnon and Burton owners were this year. I see Yeldon getting a similar role with a different team next year.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
yes, I dont think he may require big money, but he certainly could. I didnt expect McKinnon to get what he did. and given the fa market, aside from Bell who may not hit the market I dont know of any young promising backs available. he could be the best. supply and demand.
I'd be happy if GB spent a 3 year 15 million deal on him. I think 5 mil for a starting rb is cheap. even if you went as a 3rd down back only, I think that's fairly cheap. I'd like a 10 or 12 mil deal better obviously. a lot of bad backs making 4 to 5 mil
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
12 team PPR:
Dion Lewis and Tyler Lockett
for
Ito Smith and Anthony Miller
Dion Lewis and Tyler Lockett
for
Ito Smith and Anthony Miller
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
That’s also with backups coming off the bench with little to no practice time
i think you would be safe to assume that brown would improve on those stats with a full time replacement. Whether he continues to produce at his current level will depend on the quality of that replacement
Interseptopus
Footballguy
agree. I'm not saying hes a bum without Ben, but just that there would be an adjustment and possible down tick in his value. he will be a top wr the rest of his career but maybe not the top
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
Disagree with the bolded. Currently, only 12 RBs have an average salary of ~$5M or higher (Lewis is at $4.95M). That group is a mix of 3 down RBs (Bell, Elliott, McCoy, Fournette, Freeman, McKinnon, Miller), 3rd down backs (Duke), RBBC backs (Bernard, Lewis, Hyde), and backups (L Murray).
Overall, Yeldon doesn't seem to compare favorably to that group, plus there are 22 teams with current starting RBs who average $4.5M or less. Barring a 2018 breakout, I would be very surprised to see him get anything close to $5M per year.
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Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Team A
... strange trade. But I’ll take the Parker, Bryant, ASJ side over dart throws and Meredith
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Zow
Footballguy
Superflex non-ppr league I just made a big trade:
Zeke, Zay Jones, Rams D
for
Devonta Freeman, Julio, Sam Bradford, 2 3rd round picks
I wasn't really shopping Elliott but the guy made the offer and I thought I was getting 1.20 on the dollar. Thoughts?
Zeke, Zay Jones, Rams D
for
Devonta Freeman, Julio, Sam Bradford, 2 3rd round picks
I wasn't really shopping Elliott but the guy made the offer and I thought I was getting 1.20 on the dollar. Thoughts?
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Zeke for meZow said:
Pwingles
Footballguy
Gimme the Dion side. Lockets situation improved a lot. Millers takes more imagination for him to put up numbers.Dr. Dan said:
Julio sideZow said:
Cooper sideDr. Dan said:
pretty meh deal. I see both sides, jax off is sort of a mess outside of fournette and maybe ASJ, everyone elses role and output is gonna be a gambleZyphros said:
ASJ sidebarackdhouse said:
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I agree with the bolded but I still take the Miller side. Zero faith in Lewis beyond a year or two, and although I like Lockett better this year than Miller, I would still go Miller side based on the future upside dice roll. Chances are I can find replacement level players on the WW or through other trades that are better than Dion or Lockett. But Miller *could* be the WR1 in Chicago. Big if there, but his downside to me is basically equal to what we expect Lockett to be. I don't care about Ito Smith in the deal other than he is a cheap throw in asset, which I always like.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Basically Zeke for Freeman and Julio. I'm not a big fan of either. I don't know much about Freeman because I purposely avoided him earlier in his career due to being up/down and never really having a pulse on that RBBC situation. Julio I feel like is very over rated. And This came out today saying he could be contemplating an early retirement.Zow said:
If you like Julio and Freeman this is a great deal. Personally, I would rather have Zeke. Freeman might have another 3-4 seasons under his belt, same with Julio. Zeke is crazy young at just 22, and he is one of the few true "bell cows" in the league.
This deal might help you win now, I don't know the rest of your roster, but overall I do like the Zeke side better here. A lot of it is preference of not liking either Freeman or Julio in general
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Not that it's necessarily likely, but I do think Lockett still has a decent chance of being a low fantasy WR1 or high WR2 in the future, and potentially his team's WR1. His path so far is very similar to the two previous Seattle WR2's who were the same size and became reliable fantasy options.
First 3 years in Seattle:
Golden Tate: 101-1297-10
Doug Baldwin: 130-1923-12
Tyler Lockett: 137-1816-9
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Very interesting stat. I absolutely love Lockett. I landed him in a deal earlier this year and was stoked he was included. Practically a throw in from the other guy, which I was surprised. FTR the trade I posted I was not included on.
Pwingles
Footballguy
A lot of the miller and lockett stuff is subjective and comes down to preference. Like you said, Miller is the unknown here, so the mystery of potential upside is alluring. I get that.
My thoughts on this are basically, better qb and for sure 2nd option/wr2 in the offense vs Trubisky who at this point, is not good. Also, Robinson (barring injury) is the WR1, i dont feel it is really that debatable of a point. Miller could end up being the wr2, and thats not bad. But we dont know how shaheen/ burton/ cohen are going to affect those opportunities. Did I mention Trubisky has yet to show us that he is good?
So I am seeing it more like, best case scenario Miller puts up numbers around Locketts floor. On top of that, the chances of you finding a rb1/high end rb2 on the wire are not good.
So you have two players with a built in floor with upside vs. two players who are basement (anything lower than basement?) level floor and limited upside.
I want to mention that I dont hate miller, and i see the potential. If you want to gamble on potential, thats cool. But it may take a couple seasons for this trade to balance out.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I mean if you feel that way about Trubisky, I get it. I feel completely the opposite as a long time Bears fan. He showed me things as a rookie (under John Fox, mind you) that I haven't seen from a Bears QB since forever. I think he will be the real deal. But in no way shape or form is he Russell Wilson, and just because I liked what I saw doesn't mean he will take the next step or two. Clearly the QB situation favors Lockett. I don't see Baldwin ceding his WR1 status. At all. I do like Lockett this year but he is a WR2 at best, and many weeks he will be a WR3 or worse. If Baldwin leaves or retires then I imagine the Seahawks will find a new #1. But I don't fault anyone for taking a shot with Lockett. Perfectly reasonable side.
I honestly have not watched ARob hardly at all, and I've never owned him. I just know a lot of people aren't so sure about him. He is clearly the #1 today. Miller will be the #2 on opening day. Which will be muddy with Cohen and Burton as top targets. But if ARob falters and Miller is good, then it's on like Donkey Kong.
*If* Lewis stays healthy I don't see more than 2 more years of relevancy, and he might not even make it to day 1. So when I say I can find someone better on the wire, I'm not saying much, but typically in each of my leagues I am able to find one or two RB2 each year, even if they are temporary fill ins, which Lewis wouldn't be much more than if he stays healthy. Which I have nearly zero faith in.
I consider this trade to be a fairly low to moderate level trade in terms of risk/reward. Nobody is giving or getting the farm here, so in most such trades I like to gamble on the upside. And I don't disagree that Lockett has upside, too, I just don't see him getting past Baldwin for another couple years either.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
He fractured his fibula and tore his ACL. Aside from 2 fluke injuries he's shown nothing to make him injury prone. I love that he's mis-labeled as injury prone, lets me get him cheap everywhere
It's like saying Keenan Allen is injury prone, but all the guy did was break his collar bone (fluke) after getting pulled awkwardly, lacerate his kidney (super fluke) landing funny, and tear his ACL (fluke)
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NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Not involved, small potata league I am in (at least for now) 12tm ppr 25 man roster, 5 man taxi.
Team A gave up Year 2018 Draft Pick 25.08 and Year 2019 Round 5 Draft Pick
Team B Gave gave up Year 2018 Draft Pick 13.09
Team A gave up Year 2018 Draft Pick 25.08 and Year 2019 Round 5 Draft Pick
Team B Gave gave up Year 2018 Draft Pick 13.09
ghostguy123
Footballguy
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
if that's a thing, sure, but it's not
Most individuals would say broken bones and torn soft tissue qualify as fluke injuries and shouldn't be used as examples of why a player should be considered injury prone.
you want injury prone look at Diggs. guy strains his groin every year. look at clay Matthews, strained hamstring every year. look at fournette and his ankle issues.
Many people mistakenly labeled Keenan Allen injury prone last year and his owners cashed in big time. guys that have bad luck due to awkward hits shouldn't qualify as injury prone. these are perfect people to buy low and reap the rewards
let me ask you, aside from having osteoporosis, or another terrible bone disease, how can one be prone to bones breaking?
Aside from anatomical predispositions (which are responsible for non contact ACL tears, which is not how Dion tore his) how can one be prone to an ACL tear while getting hit awkwardly?
If you can answer that let me know because we can team up and make millions showing professional franchises how to predict fluke injuries in their players
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Milkman
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
1.10 for me by a good bit unless you really feel that Goff is going to become an elite QB.
kutta
Footballguy
I agree. In a 1 QB league, I may give up a first for Rodgers, but that’s about it. Cobb isn’t worth much IMO. I probably wouldn’t give the 1.10 alone for Cobb and Goff.
Milkman
Footballguy
Thanks for the feedback guys. I am high on Goff and I think Cobb is in for a big year this year as Rodgers #2 with Jordy gone.
In Cobb's last 8 games with Rodgers he averaged 6 catches 70 yards .63 TDs a game. That's almost 17 points a game in PPR. That's top 5 WR if you extend that over a 16 game season. Jordy is gone now too. So I have Cobb flirting with WR1 status this year. Cobb probably comes up a little short and ends up being a mid to high end WR2 because Jimmy should dominate the red zone.
I also hate this draft. I know a lot of people disagree but to me the 1.10 is worthless. I'm sure a guy or two will come out of nowhere, they always do, but in large part I predict this draft to be pretty underwhelming.
In Cobb's last 8 games with Rodgers he averaged 6 catches 70 yards .63 TDs a game. That's almost 17 points a game in PPR. That's top 5 WR if you extend that over a 16 game season. Jordy is gone now too. So I have Cobb flirting with WR1 status this year. Cobb probably comes up a little short and ends up being a mid to high end WR2 because Jimmy should dominate the red zone.
I also hate this draft. I know a lot of people disagree but to me the 1.10 is worthless. I'm sure a guy or two will come out of nowhere, they always do, but in large part I predict this draft to be pretty underwhelming.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
If KJ or Sutton are there I probably take the 1.10. Heard of a couple crazy drafts where Chubb fell that far. I'd take Freeman, too. If the draft hadn't started yet I might keep Cobb and Goff. It's close and fair.
