rockaction
Footballguy
I tried to find the quote but can't. I remember there being a hubbub about it. How you view it is up to you.
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (27 Viewers)
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Saw 12tm 1QB
Cam Akers, 4th, 4th
FOR
2nd
Cam Akers, 4th, 4th
FOR
2nd
rockaction
Footballguy
12 Team, 1 QB, 51 Man roster, IDP, Start 9 each side of ball
Gave: Damien Harris
Got: 2022 early-mid 2nd, 2022 early-mid 3rd
Gave: Damien Harris
Got: 2022 early-mid 2nd, 2022 early-mid 3rd
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t mind this trade, but if it were me, I’d probably have waited to see if Harris got off to a high-volume start to sell.
But it seems like fair value.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Birdie048
Footballguy
I'd pay that without blinking.
I regret trading DH away now and have been exploring his return!
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This injury is brutal for RBs but this is buying him at a huge discount. I would jump on this and let him chill on my bench (or IR spot if your league has one). No brainer here. Not even sure why the 2 4ths were included.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow. Interesting take. I know it's too late for me, but any reasons why?Birdie048 said:
Birdie048
Footballguy
NEP Offense is a bit of a mess ... Cam is not the same he was years past. His Arm/Shoulder may not be up to the task of slinging it 500x a season. He is not the same runner he was in the past. True that Covid took a toll on him in 2020. But at 31 yo (?), his style of play is not suited for his body anymore and I see his replacement already on the roster.
When Mac Jones takes over, he is considered a quality pocket passes, and only runner out of necessity. And the typical "balanced offense" of NEP, Run 52-55% is the norm. Damien Harris was running well for the his limited touches (8 weeks in a row of 11+ with > 10 pts/gm in 0.5 ppr -- only 5 rec). With another season under the NEP program and with Sony's 5th yr not picked up, I like Damien Harris to get > 220 touches and >1000 yards in 2021. TD are tough to predict, but 5-7 is reasonable. Not heavy on the receptions but 10-15 is my projection.
Giving up a future 2nd & 3rd is a good price IMO for a quality RB2
ETA: I put him right behind Miles Sander range (but think Philly Offense is a wreck)
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rockaction
Footballguy
Fair points about Cam. I thought of that. I think you're a little optimistic about his projections based on past usage and I'd also point out that in .5 PPR, Harris averaged 8.9 PPG rather than over 10 points. His high score was 17, and he only broke double digits five times all of last year, never mind eight in a row. That was including games he got 21 carries, etc. He also missed six games, so his durability is a question.
Anyway, I have him nowhere near Miles Sanders or I don't make that deal. His calc value is around Chase Edmonds, but less, and there's a historical reason for it, I think. My own personal value of Harris is that he's worth around a second-round pick. Obviously given his usage, that might change, but do you really think Bill Belichick has found the one in Harris? I'm betting he hasn't obviously, or I would have held at that price point.
But thanks for the response. Just wanted to know what you're seeing that I'm not. You happen to be bullish on him, which is cool. Good luck!
Birdie048
Footballguy
Glad to share my perspective and no argument on my optimism.
Sorry, I forgot our RB's get 0.1 pt per carry (114 carries during that span).
I guess my league is a little different re: scoring.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, okay. Sounds like something to take into account when you evaluate players, then. Nothing to sneeze at, but not necessarily a determining factor when all is said and done, I'd say.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Helping the defending champ (Akers) in an Empire 1/2 PPR:
Gave: K. Hunt + OBJ + 4.3
Got: Lamb + 5.4
**I think there are at least a few teams better than the defending champ
Gave: K. Hunt + OBJ + 4.3
Got: Lamb + 5.4
**I think there are at least a few teams better than the defending champ
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I take Lamb here by a lot really. I like Hunt but the picks mean nothing and OGJ is basically a WR3 in Cleveland. Both of those players are older than Lamb too. I don't think this is all that close.
Birdie048
Footballguy
While I believe Lamb is the better long term value and player going forward, I think this is a fair deal.
I am a OBJ & Hunt fan but I don't know if I could give up Lamb for both of them .... picks are not relevant IMO.
rockaction
Footballguy
Rhamondre Stevenson on NFI right now. Stock for Harris is pointing up. Might be a terrible move in at the end of the day, actually.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC
Cam Akers
For
Robert Woods
The team getting Akers probably wasnt winning anything this year
Cam Akers
For
Robert Woods
The team getting Akers probably wasnt winning anything this year
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I don't really hate this. I expect big things from Woods this year with Stafford and Akers could come back. Seems fair.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
This is a good take. In a pure dynasty league, I feel like Lamb runs away with this. But this is a defending champion looking to win the big pot and terminate the league this season. From a strictly redraft point of view, Hunt and OBJ is a godsend for a guy that just lost his best back (Akers), and didn't have a lot of great options behind it. I'm gambling that these won't be the pieces that put him over the top, and that I will be able to see great things from Lamb over the next couple of years or more, but it might be a gamble that I lose.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I would think you could work a way to get a better RB than Hunt with Lamb if you wanted to do this. I guess that thinking makes it better. I was just thinking strictly dynasty.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
You're correct, it's easily Lamb in pure Dynasty. Just one of those situations where the specifics of the league (Empire) can make what would be a bad trade actually seem reasonable. I don't like helping a defending champ on the ropes, but between OBJ's bust rate and the very real possibility of him finding a more dangerous RB than Hunt, it was a pretty easy accept.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I don't blame you there. I wasn't even sure what an Empire league was. It is crazy how many variations there are.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Lamb over Hunt and OBJ no matter my situation
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
With Empire, It's kind of nice to have a set event out there that will end the league (in most cases, the defending champion repeating). It allows you to make any rule changes at the reset without getting into the politics of which teams benefit. I do look at dynasty rankings and always wonder, this I based on the league lasting how many years? But I kind of assume that the underlying assumption is that you trust your leaguemates enough that it will last at least 8-10 years without the league folding.
I actually had to do a probability table in this empire to determine the expected lifespan for the league, and came up with a 50/50 of getting to a 5th season, counting 2021 as the first. You definitely have to de-value draft picks relative to a typical dynasty when it's a 50/50 that the league ends within four seasons.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SF BB not involved
Team A gave Akers
Team B gave E Moore, 2022 2nd & 3rd
Team A gave Akers
Team B gave E Moore, 2022 2nd & 3rd
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
BespokeJort
Footballguy
I’d take that for Akers easily. I think I’d take Moore straight up tbh
jabarony
Footballguy
I tried selling Henderson in a couple of leagues for a 1st. No takers.
I tried buying Henderson in a couple of leagues for a 2nd. No takers.
Boston
Footballguy
I like the Moore and draft pick side...Moore looks like he could be legit and you also get two more picks to play around with...Akers is gone for a year and that is a big time injury, I would definitely cash out for this and let someone else roll the dice and deal with it...on the flipside if you are loaded at WR this is a move you can gamble on but if Moore is legit that same package (or at least the bones of it) could get you something far less risky...I would rather use these assets on something else.
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Boston
Footballguy
In a SF this is easily Jones...QBs are gold in SF and you should be able to get far more than this for a QB who while he has his warts is still young and is a legit starter for the Giants...no need to take this risk for that type of asset in a SF.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It's a good trade for both teams. Almost equal risk (which I hate to say as a DJones dynasty owner)
Hard to say who wins this but knee-jerk it's the side with the player the didn't tear his Achilles.
Jones pretty easily. History is unfortunately not on the side of Akers with that injury.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'd rather have Williams here but McVay's offense is no joke and we have no idea what Williams will be (he wasn't even the man by himself in NC). I don't have a problem with this trade either way but I agree with you. Akers truthers could talk themselves in to this.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d take the Williams side.Blick said:
It’s a good example of making an Akers trade pay off by including the handcuff guy - there’s substantial mystery on how things shake out in LA this year & beyond, while I think Williams is a pretty safe bet in Denver.
Shrewd move by the Akers side to package it like that.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC 1QB
I gave Akers, 2022 2nd
I got 2022 1st
Might not be a huge gap because my 2nd is probably going to be high now. Other team looks decent.
I gave Akers, 2022 2nd
I got 2022 1st
Might not be a huge gap because my 2nd is probably going to be high now. Other team looks decent.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team PPR. Start 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE, kicker, defense.
Traded:
2022 1st, Marlon Mack, M. Crosby
for
D. Henderson, J. Tucker. 2022 3rd
Traded:
2022 1st, Marlon Mack, M. Crosby
for
D. Henderson, J. Tucker. 2022 3rd
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Good deal for you, since Mack is as likely as Akers to be a paperweight as Akers right now, except Mack has Taylor on his team ahead of him on the depth chart regardless of his recovery
This is a bird in the hand. You'll get 2021 value out of Henderson, and possible that he's the man in 2022 as well.
The kickers are kickers and zero each other out to me.
Basically I see this as 2022 1.xx for Henderson, which seems like a fair deal.
Boston
Footballguy
I like getting a #1 for Henderson...if you are looking to win now Henderson may do that but I do believe the Rams will add another RB and if it is someone solid that could really hurt his value...I would rather take the #1 for him right now as I believe you can flip that for another player at least equal to Henderson but possibly more.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Chark's worth the 2.01 or 1.12 so that's a pretty nice get for the 1.8. You still get Bateman in that scenario. Unless you really want Sermon at 1.6, because I'm not seeing the move up for Waddle or Smith.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
12 team PPR, start 1 QB
Gave: Jordan Love
Got: 2022 2nd rounder (from Rodgers owner)
Gave: Jordan Love
Got: 2022 2nd rounder (from Rodgers owner)
I guess I’m in the minority here given the tone of the past few posts on this page but I’m buying Akers for a 2nd all day. The arguments have all been hashed out. I’m on the side of we just haven’t seen enough Achilles tears to young, talented backs to really know if it’s a death knell. I’ll take the gamble at that price that it isn’t here.
