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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (34 Viewers)
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Birdie048
Footballguy
Well, I am not really sure how I feel about that deal. I like it for both sides and I am not sure if I would pay Sutton for ETN.
This has me stumped!
I guess it comes down to Rebuild or Competitive for the 'ship! Both sides could be winners!
SieteCinco
Footballguy
12 Team 1PPR Superflex League
A: Antonio Gibson, Allen Robinson, Carson Wentz
B: Patrick Mahomes, D’Wayne Eskridge, Devontae Booker
A: Antonio Gibson, Allen Robinson, Carson Wentz
B: Patrick Mahomes, D’Wayne Eskridge, Devontae Booker
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Mahomes side for me.
I love ARob, I’m coming around on Gibson. Wentz may be hopelessly broken. I wouldn’t be willing to bet on that.
SieteCinco
Footballguy
12 Team 1PPR Superflex
A: Mike Davis
B: Brandin Cooks, Taysom Hill
A: Joe Mixon
C : Travis Ettiene, Mike Davis, 2022 2nd/3rd
*Team A had lost both Dobbins and Ettiene
A: Mike Davis
B: Brandin Cooks, Taysom Hill
A: Joe Mixon
C : Travis Ettiene, Mike Davis, 2022 2nd/3rd
*Team A had lost both Dobbins and Ettiene
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Boston
Footballguy
Fields...not really seeing what the other team is trying to accomplish here...it is only a 1 QB league but the early returns on Fields are he could be very legit and all you got back was a backup QB, a RB that in his three years has never had more than 270 yards rushing or 175 yards receiving in a year and a couple of decent picks...why do it? I never understand why owners allow another owner to nibble around the edges of their roster to obtain a quality player/asset.
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foxco
Footballguy
Agreed, although in 1QB Fields typically went mid 2nd I think, so to get a 2nd/3rd back isn't the end of the world I guess.
Boston
Footballguy
The big issue to me is while it is still very early it looks like there may be something legit with him and you aren't getting anything too substantial to sway you from sitting tight and finding out.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
But Fields was taken in the second before we knew how he’d adapt to the NFL. Now it’s only been some pre-season snaps so we can’t know with certainty that it will carry over but he looked like a weapon.
I’m not sure giving up on him now is worth only a 3rd round pick profit.
foxco
Footballguy
It's not worth just getting a 3rd rounder back, totally agree. I would not trade Fields for a 2nd/3rd, but just don't think it's the absolute worst. Maybe he's locked in with 2 other stud QBs and just wants to stockpile picks...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So if I have this right, team A dealt Cooks & Hill for Davis, then turned around and dealt Davis, ETN & 2 picks for Mixon?
I’m in on Mixon this year, but this seems like a bad move.
As down as I am on Davis, he should have stopped there. Losing ETN + picks for Mixon seems like a mistake.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I know I'm in the minority here but I don't think Fields value should have notably appreciated at all with his preseason.
I think there is some value in taking some gains based on preseason performance in the first place, but on top of that I just don't see what everyone thought was so great about his preseason. Every time he was put on fair footing against the opposing defense he was poor. He played well when he played at an advantage (IE 2nd team offense vs. 3rd team defense, or 1st team offense vs. 2nd team defense).
For instance in his first game everyone said after a poor 1st half he looked so much better in the 2nd half and he really got it all together. But it wasn't really anything that changed for him. The change was that the defense took out all their 2nd stringers, which were giving him problems, and put in their real bottom of the barrel likely cut candidates who were competing for a couple back end roster spots type players on defense.
If a 2nd+3rd+change isn't his value right now, what is? Is anyone really giving a 1st for him in 1qb leagues?
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Yeah if you think the value increase is not sustainable or indicative of success vs real nfl talent taking a small profit seems fine to me. I wouldn’t pay a 1 for him and if you got him mid to late 2nd as a BPA you weren’t thrilled with/didn’t need I’d happily reroll and hope the new 2nd winds up early.FreeBaGeL said:
ETA: he was 2.07 in my league and the visible tier break between a bunch of guys I’d trade him for in a heartbeat (Marshall/Moore/Moore/Rhamondre/Toney) and a bunch of guys I’m way less interested in (Gainwell/Amari Rodgers/Wilson/Mac Jones/Dyami/Chuba). I’d happily flip for a shot to land in the equivalent of that first group, unless I was confident his value would continue to rise
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m not even saying his value has increased, necessarily -I just think this is bare minimum profit and I see more reason to stay than to fold.FreeBaGeL said:
Boston
Footballguy
Could not agree more! I see zero reason to cash out for this package which you label correctly as bare minimum.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Not sure how Matty Ice helps a rebuild though. I'd think he could have got a younger QB.
SieteCinco
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Correct, Brandin Cooks for Mike Davis, and then Etienne/Davis/2/3 for Mixon.
Probably a bad deal on value (I was getting Mixon), but shallow lineups (2RB/2WR/1Flex) and depth of WRs and picks made me want to roll the dice on having a third RB1 to flex.
Other WRs rostered: Ridley, Diggs, Higgins, Jeudy, Pittman, Corey Davis, Aiyuk, Mike Williams, Marquise Brown, Strachan
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is a great move. I love Ridley and think he could be the WR1 this year. 2 late-ish firsts and a 2nd round pick from this year isn't much at all. Especially if you have other 1sts too.kutta said:
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
With team needs, I have no problem with this trade either way. I am usually trying to win so I would take the A side personally.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Team A got a bunch that I like but Mahomes is the best asset in SF Dynasty leagues. I would expect a couple 1sts to be included there as well.SieteCinco said:
lardonastick
Footballguy
12 team superflex, 0.5 ppr. Not involved
Jimmy Garoppolo QB - SF, Gus Edwards RB - BAL, Justice Hill RB - BAL, J.K. Dobbins RB - BAL, Michael Pittman WR - IND
for
Darrel Williams RB - KC, Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB - KC, 2022 2nd Rd, 2023 1st Rd, 2023 2nd Rd, 2023 3rd Rd
Jimmy Garoppolo QB - SF, Gus Edwards RB - BAL, Justice Hill RB - BAL, J.K. Dobbins RB - BAL, Michael Pittman WR - IND
for
Darrel Williams RB - KC, Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB - KC, 2022 2nd Rd, 2023 1st Rd, 2023 2nd Rd, 2023 3rd Rd
-OZ-
Footballguy
A couple nice deals in my main league before the season starts. WRs are usually gold here:
A gave Aaron jones
B gave Chris Godwin
C gave two 23 1sts, two 23 2nds and a 23 3rd for:
D gave: Landry, Jarvis CLE WR, Woods, Robert LAR WR, Schultz, Dalton DAL TE, Smith, Harrison MIN S
A gave Aaron jones
B gave Chris Godwin
C gave two 23 1sts, two 23 2nds and a 23 3rd for:
D gave: Landry, Jarvis CLE WR, Woods, Robert LAR WR, Schultz, Dalton DAL TE, Smith, Harrison MIN S
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
12 team .75 PPR for RBs, 1 PPR for WRs.
Team A gave Laviska Shenault and Tua Tagovailoa
Team B gave Kareem Hunt
Team A lost Dobbins and only has Aaron Jones in a start 2 RB league. He has a bunch of backups otherwise. Hunt is also a backup, but a very good one that gets a lot of play.
Team A gave Laviska Shenault and Tua Tagovailoa
Team B gave Kareem Hunt
Team A lost Dobbins and only has Aaron Jones in a start 2 RB league. He has a bunch of backups otherwise. Hunt is also a backup, but a very good one that gets a lot of play.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This seems like a not great deal for the team getting Garappolo I love me some Pittman, but,
Long term I guess it could work out, but the QB acquisition isn’t even guaranteed to start for 2021, much less beyond. Even if I squint really hard and see JimmyG as a toss-in, I’m not sure you’d have pay that much for the Ravens backfield & Pittman.
Team JimmyG made themselves a good trade.
Weird deal.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
probably fair. I’m not as high on Godwin as some, so even with Jones possibly losing value due to Dillon, it’s fairly even. Youth on the Godwin side. Jones should be plenty valuable this year at least.
I’ll take the draft picks in a pretty easy decision.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Seems like a steal for Mostert. I’d pay a 2nd alllll day. Even if the dude only plays 7 games that’s worth it.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think Mostert is being overvalued. He's 29 years old and has a long history of injuries. People still have his playoff performance in mind and is the reason why he is overvalued. Basically he hasn't done a whole lot fantasy wise besides the playoff performances.
Not to mention they traded up for Sermon.
Injury History
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Sep 20, 2020 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2 Mostert suffered an MCL sprain Week 2 against the Jets in the second quarter. He missed the next two games
Oct 18, 2020 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Mostert suffered a left high-ankle sprain early in the third quarter in Week 6's win over the Los Angeles Rams. He was placed on IR and missed 4 games
Dec 20, 2020 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Mostert suffered a high-ankle sprain during the Week 15 loss to the Cowboys. He was placed on injured reserve spelling an end to his 2020 season
Jun 2, 2021 NFL Knee Patella Sprain Mostert missed practice in the 49ers' OTA session due to a knee issue. He's expected to be fine for training camp
Nov 12, 2017 NFL Shoulder Mostert suffered a shoulder injury during the Week 10's game against the Giants. He didn't miss any game.
Nov 26, 2017 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2 Mostert suffered a knee injury during Week 12's game against Seattle. He was placed on IR
Nov 1, 2018 NFL Arm Forearm Fracture Mostert fractured his right forearm during the 49ers' win against the Raiders and missed the remainder of the season.
Aug 10, 2019 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Mostert suffered a concussion during the preseason game versus the Cowboys.
Jan 11, 2020 NFL Leg Calf Strain Mostert injured his calf in the second half of the team’s Divisional round matchup with the Vikings.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is probably too much to give up for Hunt but he scores more than a lot of starting RBs. I'm not near as high on Shenault as some and Tua is a toss in really in 1 QB leagues. I don't mind this deal for team B due to the need they had but probably lost by a small amount in value.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I get it. I was Team A and my devil's advocate is 7 games from a 29 year old doesn't carry much value for me in terms of dynasty picks. Also, keeping Mostert on my roster meant axing another player who had some dynasty value (to me). So that was added consideration. I will say my typical M.O. is holding guys until they are valueless.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I think this is fair for both teams really. I wouldn't pay a 1st for Mostert so an early 2nd seems about right to me. I probably wouldn't sell him for that unless I had a ton of RBs. I would have wanted to include a later pick or something else and get a 1st back. I am a Niners fan but I think Sermon is going to be the back to own in that backfield.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I think this is right. I'm actually higher on Elijah Mitchell than some, and Jeff Wilson has annoyance as well eventually. I'm sort of done with SF RBs.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I can totally understand that. I think Wilson is going to have issues staying healthy too and may be the odd man out by the time he is back. I do like Mitchell too. I wouldn't spend big assets on Niners backs but the top 1 guy, or 2nd guy if the one is an injury waiting to happen like Mostert, isn't a terrible option to have on your bench.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think you replied to the wrong post, but as far as the trade of Shenault and Tua for Hunt, I feel real good about getting Hunt for Shenault in a start 2RB league. My only option was Aaron Jones and giving up Tua is nothing in a start 1qb league when I have Murray, Fields, Lance and Hurts. Hunt provides a lot of value even with Chubb. Should Chubb go down, Hunt provides RB1 value. I can replace Sheanult easily at WR and Hunt will outscore Shenault by great margin IMO.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh, I know. I rostered him last year in redraft & I’m a niners fan. I’m intimately familiar with his injury history.
If I had him in Dynasty I’d gamble that he can make it a couple games, let him hit a couple of those trademark track star 80 yard TDs in the 1-cut-and-go system & then deal him to someone for potentially more. I’d at least hold through the Lions game & then sell high.
Despite the Sermon hype, Mostert should lead that backfield when healthy, while a mix of Sermon, Hasty & later on, Jeffery Wilson gets carries behind him.
I’m a fan of the Sermon pick and think he has a bright future. I also think some of the folks in FF circles are shoveling dirt on Mostert’s grave a bit prematurely.
While healthy, Mostert should be the most valuable of the Niners assets. He’s not a long-haul solution, so if a 2nd is the best one can get & the Mostert owner needs the roster spot, I could see doing it. I agree he won’t command a 1st, and that’s the 2nd time I’ve used the “when healthy” caveat, so I’m keeping it real.
But it might be worth the gamble that by week 3 or 4 there’s more clarity to the Niners backfield & maybe Mostert could command a better player in return than that 2nd round pick.
I’m a gambler. I feel like selling now is a bit low. Others might see Sermon taking over the backfield week 1, which I think is unlikely - again, barring injury to Mostert. All reports indicate he’s healthy right now.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Knowing this I like the deal more for you.
Hunt hasn’t really shown as well as he did in KC, but I agree he has both stand-alone value as the receiving back & lotto ticket upside should Chubb go down.
And if you’re deep at QB/WR & need a RB, it’s not a bad get.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I made Sermon an afterthought. My main beef with Mostert is his age and injury history. Sure, he may be fine for a few games, but at some point history says he won't last an entire season and he really hasn't done a lot in fantasy besides the playoff performance. A high 2nd is definitely a good return for Mostert in a dynasty league.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Maybe so. I think it was a good trade for your team even if the value might have slightly been on the other side. I would have made that move if I were you too for sure.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I agree that Sermon's time is definitely not week 1. I just don't think a RB1 with an injury history will ever build his value to a 1st round pick so an early 2nd doesn't seem low to me even if everything you are saying is correct. I do agree that people are burying him too early though.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don't think he'll build his value to command a 1st either. But I think he could build it in a player for player trade to something greater than a 2nd.
And as I said, it's a gamble - he could go out, have the bubble wrap removed, & get hurt on his 1st carry and then he's worth nothing.
He should be plenty valuable so long as he's healthy. The question is how long that is.
Last season he had 2 of those long TDs in his first 3 games IIRC, and (in redraft) I received quite a few offers on him from folks who immediately were kicking themselves for passing him up - (he was my RB3 and I had little depth behind him - it was a tough draft for me last year) and I foolishly declined those offers.
Didn't take long for him to be worthless, but there was a window where I could have profited.
But that said, I can totally get why someone would want to cash out now, and I agree a 2nd isn't bad. And like I said - I'd pay a 2nd just for his healthy games this year, knowing he'd probably retire on my roster if I acquired him.
jtd13
Footballguy
PPR 12 team:
Gave Myles Gaskin, Jamaal Williams
Received Cam Akers, Chris Evans
I'm a believer in Gaskin this year, but I am also pretty deep with 24-26 year old RBs who would start over him. I thought it was a worthwhile move to get a guy a couple years younger that is hopefully recovered and in his prime when my current top RBs are in that next age group.
Gave Myles Gaskin, Jamaal Williams
Received Cam Akers, Chris Evans
I'm a believer in Gaskin this year, but I am also pretty deep with 24-26 year old RBs who would start over him. I thought it was a worthwhile move to get a guy a couple years younger that is hopefully recovered and in his prime when my current top RBs are in that next age group.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree with you conceptually, but I’ve seen Akers go for a lot less due to the nature of the injury.
Fingers crossed that it works out for you.
jtd13
Footballguy
I haven't seen him moved in any of my leagues, but I had Gaskin valued at a late 1st, and I thought that seemed about right for Akers. I think it's more likely he recovers than not based on how Achilles recoveries have been going across the NFL and in other sports. I know some are pretty convinced it's a death knell for RBs though.
