Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
1 QB, start 1 RB
Team A got Antonio Gibson
Team B got 1.06
Team B is rebuilding.
Team A got Antonio Gibson
Team B got 1.06
Team B is rebuilding.
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (20 Viewers)
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joey
Footballguy
I think I’ll take 2023 1st if my team is in good shape for this year. FFPC isn’t deep rosters so a few free agent moves will fill the 3 open roster spots this year with decent enough players imo.
joey
Footballguy
Thanks for the lock and merge, Joe.
I love the new “dateless” thread. Let’s have this thread be the “infinite” one! Great for future reference.
rockaction
Footballguy
Start 1 RB makes a huge difference here. Need to see rosters. All other things constant, I'd take Gibson pretty easily.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I feel like there are 15 of these TEs every year. Guys like Tyler Eifert, Cameron Brate, Adam Shaheen, Coby Fleener, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Hayden Hurst, Chris Herndon, Trey Burton, Jonnu Smith, etc etc where there is such an easy foreseeable path to them matching the production of a top 6 TE and then it just never happens.
Sure there is a chance that Irv performs similarly to Hock. But at the cost of the #2 RB on a bad team I'd rather just take the known entity in Hock, who may still have even more upside of his own.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like the players side here. If you add a ‘23 1st to the other side I like it. Don’t see near enough for Hill/Monty/ETN.
joey
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I can also name a bunch of young TEs that did take the next step with opportunity. I’m not sure what any of those guys have to do with 2022 and beyond. That doesn’t seem predictive.
jabarony
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Just did this in Zealots.
Gave the 2.07 and 2.09
Got the 1.12.
Used the 1.12 to select Pickens.
Actually used the 1.12, 2.01, and 2.02 in a row to select Pickens, Christian Watson, and Isaiah Spiller. Fingers crossed.
Gave the 2.07 and 2.09
Got the 1.12.
Used the 1.12 to select Pickens.
Actually used the 1.12, 2.01, and 2.02 in a row to select Pickens, Christian Watson, and Isaiah Spiller. Fingers crossed.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
In-season?
rockaction
Footballguy
OOPS.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It’s not your mistake. People asked Joe to merge the 2021 and 2022 trade threads and this is the result - seems misnamed though.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I figured that out after I looked around a bit. Thanks. For a moment, though, I thought I flagrantly posted in the wrong thread.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I was on the other side of this one. Thought you did great on those three picks. Would have taken Watson if I stayed at 1.12.
I was thinking Spiller might fall to the 2.07, and I could take him for some Ekeler insurance — not to be though.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yes, 2.07 was definitely pushing it for Spiller. I haven't seen him go that late yet. Perhaps in SF leagues he does.
rockaction
Footballguy
Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Interesting you would have taken Watson. I was thinking you might actually reach for Spiller, which is part of the reason why I moved up. I don't know why, and his draft capital doesn't back it, but I like him as a back. So...cool. Thanks for responding to the deal. I think we'll both wind up better for it (DLF has the trade as almost even, Dynasty Dominator has it for you by about twenty points -- if you're into calcs).
But you know that. Folks, Don won our league last year, as you might be able to guess from the 1.12!
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Probably would have been. I figured I could also use the extra pick to move back up to around 2.4 or so to grab. May still do something like that to grab someone else.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I've had some success with taking GB 2nd round WR's at around that spot in the past with Adams and Nelson. So, that bias would have taken control.
I'm not really a huge handcuff person when it comes to RBs (maybe I should be more so). If the value is right, I'll take the handcuff, but also never really felt like stretching for it. Only needing to start 1RB minimum helps in Zealots due to the RB/TE flex spot. I think I had some RB WW fodder like De'Vonta Freeman and had the two startable TEs in Gronk and Pitts that helped me get by when Chubb missed some games last year.
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rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Nor I, really. Especially not at a reach. With this, I just coveted Spiller and Pickens, really, for some reason. Could be dead wrong. We'll see. Every year it seems the Chargers draft a new back to complement Ekeler and lessen his load, but the other backs wind up swimming upstream somehow. It is strange the Chargers picked another guy with bad measurements, but they probably are privy to information we're not, and it's not like they sunk a ton of capital into him.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
On talent alone, I like the Gibson side. He has been frustratingly difficult to predict the past two seasons, though. I think if he can string together a full season without those nagging injuries that he could produce as a mid tier RB1. We haven't seen that happen quite yet, though.
The 1.06 should net a promising WR. Guess it really depends on how your roster is stacked. My preference tends to be getting young talent at RB as often as possible. They have shorter shelf lives and injuries tend to much with you over the course of a season.
I don’t have a whole lot of confidence in Gibson anymore personally, so I’ll take the pick.
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Does it need to be named something different than "****OFFICIAL IN- SEASON DYNASTY TRADES****"?
All I did was remove the dates.
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InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Might be reasonable to remove the "In-Season" part of the title so that we can use it year round (like we already do).
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
Ok. That's changing the name from what the thread was though.
That's what you guys want?
Or better, exactly what do you want the thread to be?
People asked to merge and I did that. Now it's something different?
joey
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
There is no offseason in dynasty. Why even have that modifier in the title one way or the other? Are there people in here that don't know what time of year it is? That question isn't for you Doc I'm just saying it.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I do, but that’s not why I don’t like that trade for the picks side. The takeaway is that it’s not enough value coming back for those 3 players.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Not to belabor this - and not that its means it will happen but Mike Clay projects Hockenson for 68-696-5 and Irv Smith, Jr. at 52-514-5. That was all I was really saying is that Smith should likely not finish all that far behind Hock.
My thoughts are limited to these two particular players- not every upside TE in existence.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
NO way I move Najee for this. RBs are tough to come by in my leagues but this wouldn't even come close. We don't even know which Broncos WRs are going to blow up with Russ yet either.InDitkaWeTrust said:
barackdhouse
Footballguy
The calcs like it but I certainly think that is a fair position on your part. In my mind I will easily take Hall and London plus the future 2nd that I project to be early (that would be a 2023 pick, sir) over those three players.
You said you prefer the picks side, but you understand that in two days time there will only be one future pick in the deal? That it will be three players for three players plus a pick?
Not saying that should sway you, or this, but I highly encourage everyone to check it out. Super fascinating insight into the psychology of rookie picks as a number (like 1.10, 2.02, etc) vs the rookie names that correspond.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like Smith so before last week's draft, I probably lean towards the Smith/Carter side but with Hall going to the Jets, I have to go the other way. JoHo can be cut but Pringle/3.05 are dart throws as is Carter now really and Hock is worth a decent amount more than Smith.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes I understand that, and no, I said I like the players side. I believe each of Hill & ETN should command a 1st, and Monty is worth more than a 2nd + Gronk, who is getting old very fast,
Happy you like it, but I just don’t see enough value there. ETN is still very young, and Hill & Monty have quite a bit left in the tank, IMO.
When it comes to the picks you’re trading birds in the hand for ones in the bush. You know what you have in Hill & Monty. ETN is the question mark, but his pedigree is there. You don’t know what you’ll get from the picks in terms of production. I don’t like London’s situation at all, Hall is on the Jets, and who knows what that 2nd will be. To me it would take a little more to make it worth the gamble if you had another 1st.
Good luck.
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The guy getting Carter also has the 1.01 so it is assumed he will be taking Hall. My guess is that getting Carter was part of the thinking of him also having Hall.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I could get onboard with either side depending on what you are trying to do (win or rebuild). I personally am usually trying to compete so I don't know that the picks are enough for me to give that up. Its not terrible and I like 1.01 a lot but feels light to me.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly where I’m at. It’s not terrible at all. I might even be stronger on the picks side in a trade calc. But I like those three players he’s giving away a lot.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
In this draft, I don't care for this too much. We had Gibson go for 1.2 in my league and after seeing the way the NFL draft shook out, I might have preferred Gibson. 1.6 seems light as it is just another WR in that tier. This year's WRs remind me more of the Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross draft than they do Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, and Jerry Jeudy.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
All fair, yeah I meant to say you preferred the players side but typed it up wrong - I knew that was the side you liked. So Hill and ETN did command a 1st here. I don't disagree that Monty is worth more than an (early) 2nd and Gronk, but are you saying:
Hill & ETN = 1.01 + 1.02?
So if Monty and the 2nd and Gronk were out of it it would be square? Because for me the 1.01 and 1.02 is a slam dunk here. And actually I have Monty above ETN but I guess that is a different direction.
I have the whole thing as :
Hill < 1.01 (I would take 1.03 over Hill right now)
Monty < 1.02 (I would take 1.05 over Monty right now)
ETN > 23 2nd and Gronk (ETN is hard to pin on value but the value I am gaining IMO on the first two more than makes up for this gap - and moving a player I don't believe in)
I don't think I mentioned it but I also have Taylor, AJones, Sanders and Edmonds on this team. In FFPC SuperFlex I don't want to carry more than 4 RBs thru offseason cutdowns (which is a year away now). I also have Jones II and by "consolidating" from Monty and ETN to Hall I am getting younger, healthier and theoretically better if he is worthy of a true 1.01. Maybe not but I'm taking that gamble. And I still have more RBs than I need. Wish I could move Jones.
One more point. I don't consider Hill to be a bird in the hand anymore. He still holds value and will be productive and is uber talented. But Tua is just not going to get him the points that Mahomes did. He just won't. I'm not saying don't start him or he is worthless. But IMO this is a sell high point for him. Obviously before the Miami trade would have been even better but I don't believe I will ever see an offer this good again.
I like your take and am not trying to persuade you, just explaining my reasoning.
I wouldn't pay the 1.2 for him, I much prefer Walker in Seattle and I only see Penny as a 1 year bump in the road. Washington appears rudderless, can't ever find a solution at QB, and committed to RBBC jumping to match McKissic's contract and now drafting Robinson relatively high. I think you are going to have to wait 2 more years for Gibson to get out to realize his potential.
All that said I do like Gibson's talent just not his situation, and I don't see much difference between 1.3 and 1.7 this year so it's pretty fair if you prefer going with him or one of the many WR's in that range, IMO.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I can see it that way, sure. But personally I would not want the 2022 1.02 for Hill or ETN.
The 1.01 is fine. More than fine, as Hall has been in my top 3 devy rankings for 2 years now. But none of the other 2022 1st rounders are.
So from your original premise, no, I don’t like Hill+ETN for 1.01+1.02. I would rather have Hill/ETN than Hall/London (if that’s your guy. Or Wilson, or any of the 2022 WR). I believe ETN has a chance to be as good, if not better than Hall. And I believe Hill is better than any WR in this draft class, by a lot.
So now you’re at a deficit. It’s already imbalanced towards the players by the difference in value of Hill ~> 2022 WRX.
Which leaves Monty for Gronk+2.xx, which also feels light for Monty.
ETA: I get where you’re coming from, and understand not wanting to carry 5 RB, but I don’t agree with some of your valuation.
But like I said, it’s not off by so much as to be unfair. And you’re jumping off the Hill train before we’ve seen what his true value in MIA is. I conceded he may be less valuable, but the player is certainly of a caliber that he may not take as big a hit as some expect.
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NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Definitely a gamble trading a 23 1st for current end of rd picks (1.11 + 2.1), especially with 23 expected to be so much better quality and depth. I traded 1.12 for future pick early in off season a couple yrs back. The board consensus was very negative toward it. A couple of months later I took Jaelen Reagor with the 1.12 and the board loved it (they are a fickle bunch!).
My future pick was traded and ended up as the 1.9 (J. Waddle). Ugh, but it wasn't the process of trading a future for now, it was poor player selection on my part. Had I taken Tee Higgens and or the 1.9 owner taken Trey Sermon (who went 1.8 or M. Carter who went 1.10) its a significantly different result.
No doubt the 23 draft is deeper and my chances of hitting on that later rd pick are greater and my 23 pick could turn out to be the 1.01. , so yes there is significant risk. I don't go looking to trade future 1sts for current end of rd picks, but if I have a likely playoff team and I think there are players who can help me I will do it. There is risk, but also reward and value in having players you can use this yr rather than waiting.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I have Hill in a few other spots still but yeah I'm jumping off on this one.
I like London a lot. I like Burks a lot. I like Walker a lot. There are some others I like as well in this class but admittedly they will be going later, not 1.02.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Im not sure it will end up being a “big” hit but I feel pretty safe that going from Mahomes to noodle arm Tua is a hit. Also Miami already has a guy with the same skill set as Hill on their roster, Waddle, who Tua wasn’t able to use to the top of his abilities.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I ended up taking a couple of Pierce's with the picks that I got here for the 1.12: Dameon and Alec. Value-wise, I did not have them too far below Pickens/Watson/Spiller that rock took. Happy with taking the chances on both of those and hoping they can at least provide some depth for me at RB and WR.
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