sheerterror
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League alteringly bad.Guys like that kill leagues. Hate that.
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (20 Viewers)
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Paid a pretty hefty price, but I’d take the GOT side all day here.
Daniels>Mahomes and I’d value Nabers over an early, mid and late 1st.
joey
Footballguy
Crazy to look at it this way, but with Mahommes “underperforming” in fantasy recently, I’d almost look at it like:
You are VERY unlikely to get 2 players with the 1.03, 1.07 and 1.10 that match what Daniels and Nabers have shown already.
So you “throw in” a Mahommes to get the deal done.
Love it for a rebuilding team.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Daniels and Nabers for sure. I would be giddy.
Just added Terry for 2.03 and 3.01 as well
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Last names are always welcome.
Mclaurin. Are there other terry’s I didn’t think of?
eighsse2
Footballguy
Could've been Terry Bledsoe, Bills GM from '84-'85. But seriously I like using full names too, or at least last names.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That is a deal I’d probably take issue with if it went down in one of my leagues. Deeply questionable.
joey
Footballguy
at least buy him dinner first (assuming it's the same new owner you've made these deals with)
Ha. No 2 different owners.at least buy him dinner first (assuming it's the same new owner you've made these deals with)
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Well, if it's IDP there's a certain office linebacker that comes to mind.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I could see why someone would want the picks here and not a bad deal either way but give me Jack Daniels and Won't You Be My Nabers in this one. Especially not knowing who is going to be available where before the NFL draft has happened. Good move for you and the 3.01 could be an ok player if you hit.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m massively on the Daniels/Nabers side. I have no idea how they got a pick back.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I would agree that I like that side much better and I wouldn't accept on the other side but people get pick happy and this isn't a terrible return if you are wanting a big part of this draft class. Also, I love Daniels for sure but I could see people making the argument that we just saw his best season ever (I'm not making that argument) but people that watched Stroud struggle in year 2, or RG3 go down with injury as a slim/running QB, or others like Kyler Murray that never reached his potential. I get it and Nabers could be locked in to a bad offense for a long time.
I get the argument even if I disagree. 1.03, 1.07, and potentially 1.10 could get you some great assets. This feels like someone overvaluing the hype of this year's draft class which always happens this time of year but there is a world where it actually works out better for them in the long run if Daniels gets banged up and never plays the same and Nabors never has a QB to get him to top 5 WR upside like his talent would suggest. I'm just playing a little devils advocate though as I agree with you. Just think it could end up closer than we think here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh I can squint hard and agree it’s a fair deal on paper.
The issue I have is that it’s still only April
8th, and we have no idea where any of those 2025 assets will land.
It’s a massive gamble.
I have Daniels >> Mahomes as a FF asset at this point, and Nabers is a top ~7 dynasty WR.
Call it personal bias, but I prefer known commodities over dice rolls - and since it’s so early you’re rolling the dice on both ability (“can’t miss” draft prospects often do), and landing spot (some of the better RBs may well land in RBBCs or on teams with bad OL).
It’s just such a crap shoot.
And it’s worth noting that a pretty sizable number of folks paid to know such things consider this a somewhat weak draft class for QB & WR, leaving a number of RB to be coveted by all. And again, some of that value will vanish by going to bad situations.
So in summary this looks like Mahomes + a handful of magic beans for Nabers + Daniels.
To me the easy win is the side getting two young upside dynasty cornerstones and not the side getting a fading former FF superstar & 3x 1st round picks. And honestly it’s not close. Mahomes is a great NFL QB - maybe the GOAT after Brady/Montana. But his dynasty value is way down IMO, and I don’t see it bouncing back. He’s valued as the dude capable of putting up 50 TDs, and the Chiefs just aren’t that team any more. They like to balance the run game, their defense is pretty solid, and Tyreek Hill isn’t likely coming back any time soon.
I’m sure some will disagree, which is why deals like this go down. All good. We all have our takes. I’m impressed the Mahomes owner got that much in return still. Nice work for them to get back 2 better dynasty players and a little cherry on top.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
While this is a fair trade... I have always struggled with any environment this trade makes sense.
Nabers is the best player in this deal and I could argue - trading him for two firsts would make sense. I am not sure if that is his price, but I could argue why you would or wouldn't accept that trade. I wouldn't trade him for two firsts, unless one of them (PPR/Standard Scoring) is top 2 pick. If you are deep at WR and are looking for a RB - that makes sense. I don't know why you trade second year players for two rookies in any situation though.
Have an abundance of WR's, including Nabers? Trade an older WR.
Nabers was, pre-draft, was tabbed as a generational talent. Nabers lived up to the hype and looked like the best WR of the draft last year. What are you going to get at the 1.03 that is better than what you already own? I don't even make this trade if I have no bench because a top 7 WR with only one year into his career is worth more than the 1.01 to me.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
FFPC Triflex (superflex, start 3 WRs, TE premium)
Gave: 3.11, 2026 R4
Got: Travis Kelce
The original offer came in unsolicited and asked for my 5.11 in addition to the above. I countered by taking out the 5.11, which I guess seems kind of nit-picky, but Kelce is the exact opposite of the kind of profile I try to trade for in dynasty, so I didn't really care if he accepted (obviously he did). The late third round has very low odds of hitting anyway, so if Kelce can manage to be a flex starter in his age-36 season, I'd consider it a win.
Gave: 3.11, 2026 R4
Got: Travis Kelce
The original offer came in unsolicited and asked for my 5.11 in addition to the above. I countered by taking out the 5.11, which I guess seems kind of nit-picky, but Kelce is the exact opposite of the kind of profile I try to trade for in dynasty, so I didn't really care if he accepted (obviously he did). The late third round has very low odds of hitting anyway, so if Kelce can manage to be a flex starter in his age-36 season, I'd consider it a win.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I saw this few days ago and thought that you made out really well. Mahomes is no more than QB6 and that's being generous.
So you've got Daniels>>Mahomes by a decent amount and then the 1.03, 1.07, 1.10 for Nabers which calcs would give to the other guy but I'd give to you. HSG said exactly what I was thinking. There are just too many unknowns. That 1.03 could be Travis Hunter if things break right, and I have to say that if it winds up being Hunter, then I think the trade is a wash and I might give him the advantage.
That said, nobody has the luxury of knowing whether he'll be there. And will he even play WR if he goes to the Giants? And then you've got the minefield of who falls to 1.07 and 1.10 and are the guys he thought were going to be there a) actually going to be there and b) are those guys going to get drafted to a team with opportunity, or are they going to slide in the dynasty draft because of their newfound NFL situation.
So a lot can go wrong for him. You got the surer part of the deal if you ask me. Maybe not as much upside, but definitely one bona fide top five overall dynasty player and one who is young and the QB3 or so. You'll be set there barring injury or regression. And also the 3.01, so you can pick an RB because one should be there for you.
It's an interesting deal and at first blush I liked your side (the Nabers side).
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Nabers
That's huge and I'd have to take the haul.
I have Bowers in a 1 QB FFPC league and it would take a lot for me to trade him. I consider this "a lot."
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Call me crazy and give me Bowers.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I agree with you as far as value goes personally. I wouldn't even consider a deal like this until after the draft this month. Even then I'd probably say no but if you believed in the RBs/TEs/Ward/Sanders and were ok with what you would probably get at those picks, I wouldn't have a problem with it then. Right now I'm way on your side.
I'm a huge Niner fan but not sure you can put Montana over Mahomes any more. Brady for sure the GOAT but Mahomes might be 2 already but I don't see him ever being the fantasy asset he was. They Chiefs don't need to put up points/yards any more. They have adopted the old Pats mantra of doing just enough to win and that is all that is needed.
I will say Daniels scares me a little due to his slim size but I love Nabors and would love to purchase him at this type of value if I could.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I know that playing for the G-Men matters and I love Nabers but can we really say that he looked better than Brian Thomas? He even had to play with T-Law who hasn't really been that great and Mac Jones for 10 games. I love me some BTJ and did before the draft. Not sure I would just easily say Nabers is the best WR from last year's class at this point. I completely agree with not trading him though unless I got a crazy overpay that I couldn't turn down.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Wow. That is a huge deal. I don't have Bowers in dynasty anywhere but I think I'd have to trade him for this amount. This is one of those deals where you don't plan on trading the asset but can't pass up if you get offered it. Huge haul for Bowser here.
Bowers is really good but that’s silly. Pretty sure I’d still snap accept without one of the 1sts.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Picks are nice, absolute stud difference makers are hard to come by. I think this class has a lot of “good” players which is great, but I do not see a lot of elite talents outside of Jeanty. Bowers is currently towering over the rest of the TE field.
kutta
Footballguy
I’ll never forget the Pitts hype coming in, and even after his first year.
The hype on LaPorta was insane after his rookie season.
Things change fast. New coach, new system, new QB.
I agree Bowers is the #1 TE, but I’d take the haul. You just never know what may change, and that’s a heck of a haul.
The hype on LaPorta was insane after his rookie season.
Things change fast. New coach, new system, new QB.
I agree Bowers is the #1 TE, but I’d take the haul. You just never know what may change, and that’s a heck of a haul.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree it is a decent haul, and it may make sense for both sides. In my instance (with a pretty good team overall), I would keep Bowers. I can see if you have a lot of holes it may make sense. However, if you do not hit with at least starters on those picks this may look bad in a year.
You keep referencing this trade like it's just picks without factoring in the most valuable piece, Nico, and that you are also getting back one of the best TE's in this format.
I'll say in my case on my only Bowers team that is has no real big needs, as much as anyone can say that about a team that just cut down to 14 position players. The team is young, deep, won a championship last year and if I got this trade offer for Bowers I'd need to a minute to collect myself and say my goodbye before I hit accept and figure out the roster room and pieces later. And my reasoning starts with the two players you post like they are not part of the trade because I'd feel like next year for sure, and most likely over the next 2-3 years, I'm ahead of Bowers just on Nico and Njoku alone before even factoring in the picks.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
It would really be hard to say no. I feel like this is an offer that would sit in my inbox and eventually someone else would take a similar offer first or it would expire before I got a chance to pull the trigger. Don;'t know if I would move Bowers for the moon right now but would be really hard to push "reject" on this one.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Honestly I'd probably take the Bowers side. It's one of those ones where I tell myself ok if I press this button with my finger on my mouse I get Bowers. And then it happens.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I'm with you I think BT was better but it doesn't matter here. Nabers is incredible.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I agree with your logic here re: Nico and Njoku. Far bigger pieces than being given credit generally in this thread. I really think I prefer the Bowers side but no issue whatsoever with the other side. I can also see this one as a trade where the draft picks and perhaps some combo of either Nico or Njoku and a bulls eye on one of the draft picks (or some kind of combo).... yields a trade a year from now where they get Bowers back.
I'm drunk and not sure if that came across but the pick side could really really profit and then hypothetically buy low on Bowers later. If the situation presents itself. Anyway, yeah big trade.
Boston
Footballguy
This is a roster construction deal...you really can't fully judge a deal like this unless you can look at both rosters and what else they have for picks...not looking at that it's a fair deal (well it is fair regardless of that, I guess I meant to say it makes sense)...Bowers is elite and one of the big pieces in Dynasty right now but I do think someone brings up a good point that both Pitts and LaPorta were viewed somewhat similar after their rookie year...doesn't mean Bowers will take a step back but that is a nice observation and the bottom-line is if you are going to acquire Bowers right now the price is going to be steep...he is elite...Collins is big time and only turned 26 last month and as long as he stays healthy he should be a high-end WR...in many ways he is the key to this deal...he needs to be a rock-solid/no questions asked top 10 WR for the next 3-4 years and if he is there will be no regrets regardless of what Bowers does (or how the picks pan out)...Njoku will be 29 in July and is a nice addition short-term...the picks are a very nice addition although in this year's draft and in a 1 QB league maybe not as valuable as they could be in other years but it is still a quality haul...probably in a spot to end up with either Warren or Loveland which would be a nice addition to go with Njoku after dealing Bowers...overhaul I have zero issues with either side and will give each side the benefit of the doubt that their current roster construction and what else they have for picks means this deal makes sense for both of them.
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candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
building off my acquisition of Godwin.
12 team FFPC SF league
Lots of back and forth on this one. The other owner wanted the 2.05 for Pacheco, worked him down to the 3.05 for I Pacheco. My team is needy at RB, so this seemed like decent risk/price.
Gave 3.05
Got I Pacheco
Same league, a bit of negotiations were needed here as well.
Gave 1.02 and a 2026 3rd
Got M Penix
My QB room is J Daniels, B Young and M Penix, so I am feeling much better this off season than I was last year. I will also add that the league gave me hard time for taking Daniels over MHJ last rookie draft at the 1.02. I felt confident at the time and now I feel great about that decision.
I bought this orphan a few years ago and I feel like I finally have a competitive team.
12 team FFPC SF league
Lots of back and forth on this one. The other owner wanted the 2.05 for Pacheco, worked him down to the 3.05 for I Pacheco. My team is needy at RB, so this seemed like decent risk/price.
Gave 3.05
Got I Pacheco
Same league, a bit of negotiations were needed here as well.
Gave 1.02 and a 2026 3rd
Got M Penix
My QB room is J Daniels, B Young and M Penix, so I am feeling much better this off season than I was last year. I will also add that the league gave me hard time for taking Daniels over MHJ last rookie draft at the 1.02. I felt confident at the time and now I feel great about that decision.
I bought this orphan a few years ago and I feel like I finally have a competitive team.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
FWIW, KTC has Malik Nabers as WR3 and Brian Thomas Jr as WR5. I am happy to own both and would need a lot more coming back to me than what was offered in this trade.
As I said, I don't understand deals like this.
Even on a depleted roster with zero depth, shopping Malik Nabers is a bad fantasy football decision. If you are in a situation where you are rebuilding, the best start is to acquire young WR's that you can plug into your lineup and forget about them for a decade. This draft is loaded at RB and you will probably have some of those top teams in your league wanting some of the RB's that end up rostered by Denver, Dallas, Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, NYG - you can trade out of the first round and let them select an RB, get a decent WR plus a future first to help reload.
The more I have thought through this trade, I can't make it make sense... zero chance I am giving up Jayden Daniels and Nabers at the same time and they are a cornerstone of a rebuild for me.
If you are going to farm out your young players, sell the players you landed in the 3rd or 4th round that are performing don't trade a bonafide WR1 to reload into the draft and try to do it all over again. Sometimes, the thrill of the rookie draft gets in people's way. At the very least, this trade would have kept it's same value after the NFL draft and even then... don't do the trade.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Collins is a top 10 fantasy WR that isn't old with a big contract and Njoku isn't a terrible TE. Plus, ridiculous pick options. I agree TE is hard to come by and hard to trade but when you get offers like this, you smash accept. All about value and this is probably at least 33% more value than Bowers is worth and I love the guy.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'm right there with you on Nabers. I think he is a stud in the making. I would have taken him over MHJ at the 1.01 last year if I had got the chance anywhere (non-SF of course). Some decent QB play and he could be the next JJ or Chase easily.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like both of those deals for you. Pacheco could be in the process of losing that job if they draft a RB (with Hunt and Mitchell signing there too) but I'd pay the 3.05 for him easily still. Penix would be the QB1 and the 1.02 if he was coming out in this draft. Good work. A 2026 3rd in a bad class just feels like the price of doing business sometimes.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like Nabers a ton and he probably should be ranked above Thomas as a talent. My point was more about I just don't think we can unequivocally say Nabers is the best WR from last year's class as Thomas was better than he was last year and has a better offensive situation so it isn't crazy to think he will be better again for this year and moving forward. I think they both will be great WRs though.
I'm ok with selling Daniels as I'm not as high on him as most so I have no problem getting paid out big time with his value (this trade isn't that though). However, I agree that I'm not selling Nabers unless I get blown away and once again this isn't that so I agree with you. I 100% agree that you can't make this deal until after the NFL draft though and even then this is hard but people get rookie fever and it is nice to be able to take advantage of that sometimes.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Don’t love Pacheco (still) but I like him for a 3rd.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
Don’t really love him either, but for the 3.05, he might be able to get in for a few starts.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
There is not a league where I would trade Pacheco for the 3.5. He is worth more. His injury was very similar to Pollard's, and Pollard did not start being himself again until the second year after his injury. Pacheco is going through his age-26 season. He should respond well this season unless this is a league where there are contracts, and there is a need to unload him or lose him or some penalty for keeping him. He is a clear hold for the 3.5. I suppose if you wanted to throw a dart, it makes sense.
I think 2.5 is about right. I can see a better dart throw at 2.5, but even then, it is still a dart throw—a much better dart, however.
