** Official ** Eagles 2008 Thread (1 Viewer)

[Chunky Soup]

Get it started, where do we go from here?

There are a few things I'd like to see, just to start off some convo:

(1) Kolb. McNabb is only bringing us down, and IMO it's time to switch things up. McNabb has made poor decisions, thrown inaccurate balls, and has just looked lost/unfocused. He's clearly not winning any games for us, so how about we try a guy that can probably run a WCO better than McNabb. Potentially more accuracy, and from what we can tell, better leadership.

(2) WR. I could see this not being a problem, but I can't understand why our offense has been so anemic with these guys. I think bringing in another fresh talented body who can get separation would be nice. I could see bringing in superstar, ie. Chad Johnson, or someone like DJ Hackett who can play in a WCO role but has a bigger body. Our guys are small and have problems getting off the line. A guy like TJ Houshmandzadeh would be amazing -- but I'm not even going to hope for that.

(3) Defense? Lot's here.

What do you guys see/want?

ETA: Yeah, it's just about time to pack it in.

 

[paulbertini]

1) Id like the managment to ask Andy Reid to step down and handle his family problems.

2) Play Kolb and get him some experience in the NFL instead of throwing him to the wolves and boos at the start of next season.

3) Let McNabb coach and give him his veteran advise for the rest of the season and going into the offseason.

4) Trade McNabb in the offseason pre-draft. Im sure the Vikings, Bears, Panthers, Falcons may be willing to give up a Mid-Round draft pick.

5) Pray the eagles make some offseason Free Agent pickups Like signing just ONE of these guys.

RB Julius Jones

RB Mewelde Moore (could spell westbrook but actually return kicks unlike correll)

WR Bernard Berrian (only 26 and could take some pressue off of brown and curtis)

WR D.J. Hackett

WR Jerome Mathis (Another speedster that could actually return kicks)

DE Jared Allen (Kearse is washed up. Jared is only 25)

DE Terrell Suggs (only 25)

LB Karlos Dansby (cream of the crop in this years LB core and could go cheaper since Briggs will THE lb target)

 

[mcnabbmcnow]

Play Kolb at least the last 4 or 5 games of this year, once we are mathematically out of it. We need a big defensive tackle than can collapse the pocket in the worst way. We could also use a stud defensive end...I think the coaching staff needs to go also...tired of finesse football. We need to become a more physical football team.

 

[awesomeness]

1) i say its too early to put Kolb in. Since they are in the NFC, the eagles can still make the playoffs. Tho i agree with putting Kolb in during the last 5 or so games when the eagles are likely to be totally out of the playoff picture. I dont see McNabb being too great of a "coach" to kolb when the situation arises, since im positive Mcnabb will want to be starting all year.

2) I agree with the original poster and not with paul bertini on this subject. We need a possession receiver more then we need a speedster. One reason why Mcnabb is getting sacked all the time is because all of the routes seem to be taking too long to develop. Because our WR are all fairly small they dont have enough short routes going over the middle to pick up 5-7 yards.

3) our defense is the least of our problems compared to Special Teams and offense. Our defense has been solid in keeping the opponents out of the endzone basically all season. (Except for tonight ) Though our LB's could do with an upgrade.

 

[paulbertini]

6) I figure we fall into the 6-12 draft spot this season.

WR DeSean Jackson California is a special player and the Eagles could let him and Kolb develop together.

S Kenny Phillips Miami I dont think he will fall to the Eagles but he would be a great fit.

CB Antoine Cason Arizona nice defensive back for the nickel and dime and could eventually take over as our top CB.

CB Mike Jenkins South Florida same as above

Malcolm Jenkins Ohio State same as above

RB Jonathan Stewart Oregon hell even if we win a couple games this season Stewart would be nice 1-2 punch with westbrook. also westbrook isnt getting any younger and RBBC seems to be the way to go anymore.

11 of the top 32 ranked players are offensive or defensive lineman one will surley fall to the Eagles in the 2nd round so I would like them to take an immediate impact player like Stewart, Jackson or a key building block Defensive back.

Im so tired of the lineman being taken in the first two rounds and not panning out.

2nd Round Winston Justice looks lost

1st Round - McDougle was a bust

2nd Round - Linebacker Matt McCoy sucked

3rd Round - Moats was horrible and dumb as a doorknob

Now Trent Cole and Omar Gaither were both taken in the 5th round and look like steals. Id much rather take the defensive back or skill position player in the first round this year instead of the "safe" picks which havnt been so safe the last two years. As Cole, Gaither, GoCong show the guys in the later rounds have the talent to be good, they just need the coaching and be taught how to "play" the game

 

[eagles2007]

tonight's game was everything i hate about andy reid.

1) why are we calling timeout down 28 points with 7 minutes left? it's over. give it up.

2) why is donovan mcnabb in there late? get kevin kolb in there when you're down 28 with 7 minutes left.

 

[Snotbubbles]

1) Id like the managment to ask Andy Reid to step down and handle his family problems. The only way I'm doing this is if I can get Bill Cowher to come in and replace Reid.

2) Play Kolb and get him some experience in the NFL instead of throwing him to the wolves and boos at the start of next season. This can be done in blowout situations (like the Detroit game or last night)

3) Let McNabb coach and give him his veteran advise for the rest of the season and going into the offseason. He should be doing this already.

4) Trade McNabb in the offseason pre-draft. Im sure the Vikings, Bears, Panthers, Falcons may be willing to give up a Mid-Round draft pick. That's just what we need. Have McNabb return to form after his ACL and have to deal with facing the guy in the playoffs for the next 4 or 5 years. If you're gonna trade him, you do it to a team like the Jets or Miami.

5) Pray the eagles make some offseason Free Agent pickups Like signing just ONE of these guys.

RB Julius Jones

RB Mewelde Moore (could spell westbrook but actually return kicks unlike correll)

WR Bernard Berrian (only 26 and could take some pressue off of brown and curtis)

WR D.J. Hackett

WR Jerome Mathis (Another speedster that could actually return kicks)

DE Jared Allen (Kearse is washed up. Jared is only 25)

DE Terrell Suggs (only 25)

LB Karlos Dansby (cream of the crop in this years LB core and could go cheaper since Briggs will THE lb target)

I don't think free agency is the way to go for this team. Apart from Runyan, I can't think of a FA that they brought in that really helped them for more than a short period of time. For the most part, FA has been a disaster. Draft and develop from within.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I don't think free agency is the way to go for this team. Apart from Runyan, I can't think of a FA that they brought in that really helped them for more than a short period of time. For the most part, FA has been a disaster. Draft and develop from within.

TO/Stallworth down?

 

[Stabmug]

I love how Kolb is part of post Reid era - you do know Reid pick this guy.

My take is Reid has quietly conceded that McNabb is not the 'right' guy for the way he wants to build this offense and this team.

If you are going to insist on building an offense around the QB with average WR talent, that QB better be as accurate as hell. Because if he isn't - well, we've all seen McNabb play.

I've been a McNabb supporter for years, but his decision making on the field this year has been down right horrible and that has nothing to do with the physical condition of his leg.

Kolb will be the guy next year. That I am ever more sure of after the first 8 games of 2007.

McNabb will be traded - the salary cap hit will be minimal next to the salary cap relief of unloading his unwarranted base salary.

What the Eagles get in return for McNabb - unknown - but my guess is it won't be a 'stud' WR.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I don't think free agency is the way to go for this team. Apart from Runyan, I can't think of a FA that they brought in that really helped them for more than a short period of time. For the most part, FA has been a disaster. Draft and develop from within.

TO/Stallworth down?

Both trades.ETA: And both were short term.

 

[Snotbubbles]

If I were to trade McNabb, I'm trading him to the AFC.

How about this trade possibility.

To Jets: Donovan McNabb

To Philly: Jonathan Vilma

 

[Chunky Soup]

I don't think free agency is the way to go for this team. Apart from Runyan, I can't think of a FA that they brought in that really helped them for more than a short period of time. For the most part, FA has been a disaster. Draft and develop from within.

TO/Stallworth down?

Both trades.ETA: And both were short term.

Does it really matter? It's about developing through draft or getting elsewhere. Drafting solid WRs has certainly proven to be a failure in Philly.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Get it started, where do we go from here?There are a few things I'd like to see, just to start off some convo:(1) Kolb. McNabb is only bringing us down, and IMO it's time to switch things up. McNabb has made poor decisions, thrown inaccurate balls, and has just looked lost/unfocused. He's clearly not winning any games for us, so how about we try a guy that can probably run a WCO better than McNabb. Potentially more accuracy, and from what we can tell, better leadership.(2) WR. I could see this not being a problem, but I can't understand why our offense has been so anemic with these guys. I think bringing in another fresh talented body who can get separation would be nice. I could see bringing in superstar, ie. Chad Johnson, or someone like DJ Hackett who can play in a WCO role but has a bigger body. Our guys are small and have problems getting off the line. A guy like TJ Houshmandzadeh would be amazing -- but I'm not even going to hope for that. (3) Defense? Lot's here.What do you guys see/want?ETA: Yeah, it's just about time to pack it in.

This was an overdue thread - but the prospect of possibly holding out a glimmer of hope for 4-4 was tempting.Time to rebuild, and for once I think it isn't about rebuilding the trenches (although depth would be nice).Give me a WR that can beat press coverage, Santa....

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

1) Id like the managment to ask Andy Reid to step down and handle his family problems.

How would this help Reid, or are you only serving the interests of the Eagles?If so, why get rid of Reid?This is the #1 outlet he has for his life. Football is a passion for good coaches, and Reid is well above average. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here - we've had FAR worse coaches in Philly since Vermeil.

5) Pray the eagles make some offseason Free Agent pickups Like signing just ONE of these guys.RB Julius JonesRB Mewelde Moore (could spell westbrook but actually return kicks unlike correll)WR Bernard Berrian (only 26 and could take some pressue off of brown and curtis)WR D.J. HackettWR Jerome Mathis (Another speedster that could actually return kicks)DE Jared Allen (Kearse is washed up. Jared is only 25)DE Terrell Suggs (only 25)LB Karlos Dansby (cream of the crop in this years LB core and could go cheaper since Briggs will THE lb target)

Just say no to Julius Jones.....I want a physical WR like Anquan Boldin who can move DBs and get open 20+ yards downfield....

 

[Warhogs]

I'm not a Eagles fan so I have a lot less insight. What I do know is McNabb was the best FF QB in the league before his injury last year. Somethings up. The times I have seen them the OL has played like crap. I think McNabb is looking for the dumpoff too quick but maybe that is due to the pass protection? Shoring up the OL should be high on the list.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I don't think free agency is the way to go for this team. Apart from Runyan, I can't think of a FA that they brought in that really helped them for more than a short period of time. For the most part, FA has been a disaster. Draft and develop from within.

TO/Stallworth down?

Both trades.ETA: And both were short term.

Does it really matter? It's about developing through draft or getting elsewhere. Drafting solid WRs has certainly proven to be a failure in Philly.

So are you saying this team is a good WR away?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I'm not a Eagles fan so I have a lot less insight. What I do know is McNabb was the best FF QB in the league before his injury last year. Somethings up. The times I have seen them the OL has played like crap. I think McNabb is looking for the dumpoff too quick but maybe that is due to the pass protection? Shoring up the OL should be high on the list.

More often, he's holding on to the ball too long. The injury has had a huge impact on his play. He used to be able to buy time to avoid the rush, and so if the WRs took a few extra seconds to get open, that wasn't so much of a problem. Now, he's pretty immobile back there. He can't avoid the rush, and his WRs can't get open quick enough. In most games he has too often held the ball and taken the sack instead of dumping off. The OL has not been anywhere near as good this year as it was last year, but the bigger problem is that McNabb's new limitations have really accentuated the WRs' limitations.

 

[TheFanatic]

Gotta love Philly Homers that want to trade McNabb low. The guy isn't healthy yet. The O line is a joke. That guy from the Giants was back there more than Westbrook was. The WR's are nothing special. McNabb makes some WR way better than what he is. This year it's Curtis.

This season is F'd up but I wouldn't say that the Eagles need a complete makeover. They need an O-lineman. They need a WR. They need some help on D.

Over react much?

 

[Chunky Soup]

So are you saying this team is a good WR away?

I think that a stud WR would have our record reversed right now, at worst. You don't think Moss (who could have been available for next-to-nothing) would have had a huge impact? Even if not Moss, I think that a stronger WR who can get open and muscle for a ball in tight space would have also helped immensely. Bowe, Houshmandzadeh, etc. Guys that have been proven in WCO to get open could help as well -- DJax, Derrick Mason, etc. I think we just need able bodies, no matter what type of benefit they're offering. We can go for WRs from FA, that includes:Bernard Berrian, UFABryant Johnson, UFAAntonio Chatman UFA Cincinnati BengalsKeary Colbert UFA Carolina PanthersTerrance Copper UFA New Orleans SaintsAndre' Davis UFA Houston TexansMalcom Floyd RFA San Diego ChargersDoug Gabriel UFA Oakland RaidersJustin Gage UFA Tennessee TitansD.J. Hackett UFA Seattle SeahawksAz-Zahir Hakim UFA Miami DolphinsTaylor Jacobs UFA Washington RedskinsJerome Mathis RFA Houston TexansSamie Parker UFA Kansas City ChiefsDavid Patten UFA New Orleans SaintsMarcus Robinson UFA Detroit LionsBrandon Stokley UFA Denver Broncos Or via trade. Moss went for a 4th, DJax went for a 4th, etc. There are guys to be had, and for pretty damn good deals. Why don't we have them?I think Brown and Curtis going up against #1/#2 CBs is killing us right now. If they went against the #2/#3 (Avant/Baskett against #4) we'd be in much better shape. Having that one legit #1 WR opens things up for everyone else -- including the TE, RB, etc.I also think we need a QB better suited for the WCO a la Jeff Garcia. Hopefully that guy is Kolb.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Gotta love Philly Homers that want to trade McNabb low. The guy isn't healthy yet. The O line is a joke. That guy from the Giants was back there more than Westbrook was. The WR's are nothing special. McNabb makes some WR way better than what he is. This year it's Curtis. This season is F'd up but I wouldn't say that the Eagles need a complete makeover. They need an O-lineman. They need a WR. They need some help on D.Over react much?

He also wasn't outstanding last season . I think #1 priority is talent at the WR position. #2 is potential replacement for McNizz.

 

[redman]

Not an Eagle homer, but I pay attention as they're in my team's division ('Skins of course) and I'm heavily invested in Eagles players on one of my dynasty rosters.

You can't bench McNabb if you have any designs on trading him. It will kill his trade value, because either the cover story will be that he needs time to heal, in which case he's damaged goods and holds little value, or you want to play Kolb to see what your QB of the future looks like, in which case you're admitting that McNabb is done in Philly. Either way, benching McNabb hurts his trade value. You need to keep playing him and be able to say with a straight face to any trading partner that you're planning on him being your starter next year, but if you offer enough in trade maybe we'll think about parting with him. McNabb should command at least a 2nd round pick in 2008 (maybe 2009 if it's on draft day next year) based upon what's been traded for QB's in recent years.

Second, I think Reid should go at the end of the season. It actually has less to do with his family situation than it does with the fact that I think he's reached his ceiling with the team. I think he does not know how to be innovative any more, and it seems like he continually makes the same kinds of mistakes that ultimately cost his team, both in terms of game management and game planning, as well as personnel decisions. He's also too married to McNabb's fortunes in Philly to separate himself and reform the offense around someone new like Kolb. It's an awkward decision to be sure because he like Marty Schottenheimer has done nothing but win, but if your goal is to win a championship I don't think Reid can do it in Philly. It may be good for Reid too just because he'll be able to get a fresh start elsewhere without the baggage that exists for him in Philly.

I think the offense needs a makeover, especially by getting a RB who has some size to him and can be a physical runner. That OL should be perfect for such a running game, and in my mind has forced to play a finesse game that is not its strength.

TE should be a priority too, as a receiving threat there should improve the passing game. I think the WR's are adequate to win with, provided that they develop.

The defense needs a total makeover. The Dawkins era is over. The LB's need to be revamped. They need DT's who can actually run stop and make the occasional tackle for loss in the offensive backfield.

FWIW, that's my $.02.

 

[TheFanatic]

Gotta love Philly Homers that want to trade McNabb low. The guy isn't healthy yet. The O line is a joke. That guy from the Giants was back there more than Westbrook was. The WR's are nothing special. McNabb makes some WR way better than what he is. This year it's Curtis.

This season is F'd up but I wouldn't say that the Eagles need a complete makeover. They need an O-lineman. They need a WR. They need some help on D.

Over react much?

He also wasn't outstanding last season . I think #1 priority is talent at the WR position. #2 is potential replacement for McNizz.

He wasn't? You're kidding right? The guy was outright dominant last year. I love guys like you with little or no long term memory. Lemme break it down for you.....Looking at my stats from last year the guy finished 16th overall at QB. Most would think that was pretty mediocre except for the fact that he only played in TEN GAMES!!!

He averaged 264.7 yards per game. If you multiply that out over 16 games that's only 4235 yards, 28.8 TD's and 9.6 picks. That's damn good.

Don't want to extrapolate the numbers out over 16 games? Fine. Let's look at the stats on a per game basis. Only 3 QB's had better yds per game than McNabb - Peyton, Brees, and Bulger.

Only one guy averaged more TD's per game than McNabb in 2006 and that was Peyton.

Evidently you must be referring to the last 6 games of the season when McNab didn't do so well. Understandable that he didn't play so well since he didn't play at all.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Gotta love Philly Homers that want to trade McNabb low. The guy isn't healthy yet. The O line is a joke. That guy from the Giants was back there more than Westbrook was. The WR's are nothing special. McNabb makes some WR way better than what he is. This year it's Curtis.

This season is F'd up but I wouldn't say that the Eagles need a complete makeover. They need an O-lineman. They need a WR. They need some help on D.

Over react much?

He also wasn't outstanding last season . I think #1 priority is talent at the WR position. #2 is potential replacement for McNizz.

He wasn't? You're kidding right? The guy was outright dominant last year. I love guys like you with little or no long term memory. Lemme break it down for you.....Looking at my stats from last year the guy finished 16th overall at QB. Most would think that was pretty mediocre except for the fact that he only played in TEN GAMES!!!

Carr,

He averaged 264.7 yards per game. If you multiply that out over 16 games that's only 4235 yards, 28.8 TD's and 9.6 picks. That's damn good.

Don't want to extrapolate the numbers out over 16 games? Fine. Let's look at the stats on a per game basis. Only 3 QB's had better yds per game than McNabb - Peyton, Brees, and Bulger.

Only one guy averaged more TD's per game than McNabb in 2006 and that was Peyton.

Evidently you must be referring to the last 6 games of the season when McNab didn't do so well. Understandable that he didn't play so well since he didn't play at all.

I love guys that equate fantasy to real NFL. Yes, I'm sticking with it: he was not outstanding last year. He only had over 60% completion twice last year, and finished the season with 57% completion. That is downright awful, and to put it into perspective, McNabb from 2006 would have been ranked #30 in % incompletion in 2007.

We're trying to run an efficient WCO with this? We were terribly inconsistent last year, and IMO the reason was McNabb.

In the last 5 games he played he had 7 TDs and 5 INT. The Eagles over that time went 1-4. We lost to NO, TB, JAC, and TEN. Our season looked lost until Garcia came in.

That's great that he was dominant for fantasy owners, IMO, hes just not the guy for a WCO.

ETA: Derek Anderson has 17 TDs and 9 INTs through 8 games this season (and had 17/8 through 7 games). Should he stay in?

Also, let me add one thing. I know that McNabb has had a low completion percentage for his entire career, but he's also had more talent and/or legs to work with.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Gotta love Philly Homers that want to trade McNabb low. The guy isn't healthy yet. The O line is a joke. That guy from the Giants was back there more than Westbrook was. The WR's are nothing special. McNabb makes some WR way better than what he is. This year it's Curtis.

The O-Line was missing its starting LT, and the coaching staff failed to adjust when the replacement couldn't handle Umenyora. But other than that game, it's the same people that were part of a very good line last year. They are banged up and it's affecting them. So, not "a joke" (except for the backup LT) but a bunch of guys who aren't playing to their talent level because of injuries -- just like McNabb.

This season is F'd up but I wouldn't say that the Eagles need a complete makeover. They need an O-lineman. They need a WR. They need some help on D.

Over react much?

OL, WR, D -- that's pretty close to a complete makeover, no? RB1 and K, we're fine. Everything else needs to be looked at objectively. I don't think we should get rid of people just to get rid of them, but some serious evaluation has to be done in the offseason.

 

[awesomeness]

i dont get why everyone is hating on the defense. The defense has been pretty stellar for 7 of 8 games this year. Our offense has only got more than 17 points twice this year IIRC, which is totally pathetic. Offense should be of greatest concern (OL, WR, QB) in this years draft.

And i agree with whoever said that McNabb wont get anything in a trade at this point. He is an aging QB who is immobile, making poor decisions, and is struggling to get the ball in the endzone. Unless he picks it up for the rest of the year, the eagles arent going to be able to get anything from trading him.

 

[TheFanatic]

Gotta love Philly Homers that want to trade McNabb low. The guy isn't healthy yet. The O line is a joke. That guy from the Giants was back there more than Westbrook was. The WR's are nothing special. McNabb makes some WR way better than what he is. This year it's Curtis.

The O-Line was missing its starting LT, and the coaching staff failed to adjust when the replacement couldn't handle Umenyora. But other than that game, it's the same people that were part of a very good line last year. They are banged up and it's affecting them. So, not "a joke" (except for the backup LT) but a bunch of guys who aren't playing to their talent level because of injuries -- just like McNabb.

This season is F'd up but I wouldn't say that the Eagles need a complete makeover. They need an O-lineman. They need a WR. They need some help on D.

Over react much?

OL, WR, D -- that's pretty close to a complete makeover, no? RB1 and K, we're fine. Everything else needs to be looked at objectively. I don't think we should get rid of people just to get rid of them, but some serious evaluation has to be done in the offseason.

I didn't say they needed a a new OLine and a new D. They need a single Offensive starter and maybe some young guy from the middle to late rounds for depth. They need a WR. Somebody. Anybody who can catch the ball consistently. And they need a player or two on D. That D isn't all that bad. It's just a player or two away.That being said, the game is one and lost at the line of scrimmage. They aren't controlling that line from the offensive side of the ball. They used to get around that with lots of screens to Westbrook. Dallas showed that if you stop the screen to westbrook and let McNabb beat you in the air to those horrible WR's the Eagles will look very inept as will McNabb. The O-line nor the screen are keeping D's honest and thus they can stack the box and play man coverage on those sub par WR's.

If McNabb had time this would be a totally different season....

 

[TheFanatic]

Gotta love Philly Homers that want to trade McNabb low. The guy isn't healthy yet. The O line is a joke. That guy from the Giants was back there more than Westbrook was. The WR's are nothing special. McNabb makes some WR way better than what he is. This year it's Curtis.

This season is F'd up but I wouldn't say that the Eagles need a complete makeover. They need an O-lineman. They need a WR. They need some help on D.

Over react much?

He also wasn't outstanding last season . I think #1 priority is talent at the WR position. #2 is potential replacement for McNizz.

He wasn't? You're kidding right? The guy was outright dominant last year. I love guys like you with little or no long term memory. Lemme break it down for you.....Looking at my stats from last year the guy finished 16th overall at QB. Most would think that was pretty mediocre except for the fact that he only played in TEN GAMES!!!

Carr,

He averaged 264.7 yards per game. If you multiply that out over 16 games that's only 4235 yards, 28.8 TD's and 9.6 picks. That's damn good.

Don't want to extrapolate the numbers out over 16 games? Fine. Let's look at the stats on a per game basis. Only 3 QB's had better yds per game than McNabb - Peyton, Brees, and Bulger.

Only one guy averaged more TD's per game than McNabb in 2006 and that was Peyton.

Evidently you must be referring to the last 6 games of the season when McNab didn't do so well. Understandable that he didn't play so well since he didn't play at all.

I love guys that equate fantasy to real NFL. Yes, I'm sticking with it: he was not outstanding last year.

He only had over 60% completion twice last year, and finished the season with 57% completion. That is downright awful, and to put it into perspective, McNabb from 2006 would have been ranked #30 in % incompletion in 2007.

We're trying to run an efficient WCO with this? We were terribly inconsistent last year, and IMO the reason was McNabb.

In the last 5 games he played he had 7 TDs and 5 INT. The Eagles over that time went 1-4. We lost to NO, TB, JAC, and TEN. Our season looked lost until Garcia came in.

That's great that he was dominant for fantasy owners, IMO, hes just not the guy for a WCO.

ETA: Derek Anderson has 17 TDs and 9 INTs through 8 games this season (and had 17/8 through 7 games). Should he stay in?

Also, let me add one thing. I know that McNabb has had a low completion percentage for his entire career, but he's also had more talent and/or legs to work with.

I will give you this point. I can't do football pools anymore because I can't separate the fantasy aspect of football and the real NFL anymore. Too much of a FFB I guess. I will give you that. And as someone who doesn't watch all of his games I just look at stats and not real time games. You may be right for the WCO. But I will say this he's not all that mobile this year. If he were he would help to make up for the deficiencies on the O-line. If D's had to worry about McNabb scrambling and the screen pass they would play back more and those undersized WR's would get more opportunities.

That being said, I would wait to see what the Eagles do in the offseason. If they shore up the O-line and add a couple of players on D and McNabb regains some of that mobility lost in the injury (and subsequent knee brace) then it will be a whole new ball game.

Realize that it generally takes players a full year to get back to full strength when it comes to running after a blown ligament. That's not for another 2 weeks....

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I'm guessing some folks' assessments have changed since this thread was started.

The priorities I see:

1. Reinforcements for the defensive backfield. We must upgrade at nickel corner. It's a huge position on this team not only because so many offenses are pass-friendly these days, but becasuse Lito can't stay healthy. William James had a terrible year. Hanson is OK as a CB4 but I dunno if I trust him to be CB3. We also must draft a safety. Dawkins is on his last legs.

2. DE. Kearse is gone. Howard is useless. We must get more pressure from the side opposite Cole.

3. TE. LJ Smith had a terrible year and probably won't be back. Celek is developing, but I dunno if he's TE1 material. And this offense demands a strong TE1.

4. A deep threat at WR would be nice -- I'd be happy with signing Berrian or bringing back Stallworth. But I have a feeling Andy will be stubborn about this.

As for QB, I think McNabb should stay, and I think management will keep him. His return to health and the team's strong performance at the end of the season means that we are likely in "get a few more players to be a contender" mode rather than "total rebuild" mode. And McNabb gives us a far better chance than Kolb to win now.

 

[LILB811]

I'm guessing some folks' assessments have changed since this thread was started. The priorities I see:1. Reinforcements for the defensive backfield. We must upgrade at nickel corner. It's a huge position on this team not only because so many offenses are pass-friendly these days, but becasuse Lito can't stay healthy. William James had a terrible year. Hanson is OK as a CB4 but I dunno if I trust him to be CB3. We also must draft a safety. Dawkins is on his last legs.2. DE. Kearse is gone. Howard is useless. We must get more pressure from the side opposite Cole. 3. TE. LJ Smith had a terrible year and probably won't be back. Celek is developing, but I dunno if he's TE1 material. And this offense demands a strong TE1. 4. A deep threat at WR would be nice -- I'd be happy with signing Berrian or bringing back Stallworth. But I have a feeling Andy will be stubborn about this. As for QB, I think McNabb should stay, and I think management will keep him. His return to health and the team's strong performance at the end of the season means that we are likely in "get a few more players to be a contender" mode rather than "total rebuild" mode. And McNabb gives us a far better chance than Kolb to win now.

I agree on pretty much everything you said here, especially the WR situation. The offense just works so much better when the "#1" receiver doesn't get jammed off the line. I'll go position by position in another post to go more in depth.

 

[LILB811]

Offense:

QB: McNabb will be the starter for game 1 of 2008. How long he lasts I don’t know, but I don’t expect his leash to be too short either unless he really, really struggles for the first quarter of the season. I would guess Kolb gets some action towards the end of the season and will start full time in 2009, barring any McNabb MVP type season. Signing Feeley to be 2nd-3rd string for that long was a mistake.

RB: I’d like to see Tony Hunt get a little more involved, or at least be active on gameday. Moats may be cut if he can’t get healthy. Probably not too much action here in the offseason. Maybe a late draft pick.

FB: Tapeh will probably have the job again with nobody being added. Andy does not look at this position too much.

WR: I think this may be the end of the line for Hank Baskett, especially if they bring in a good receiver in free agency or in a trade, which they need to do. Also could be the first round draft pick. The WR corps will probably look very similar, but with an extra body or two. Hopefully a big name.

TE: LJ is gone. Schobel will stick around, but my guess is that the team really would like Celek to be the opening day starter.

T: Runyan and Thomas keep on truckin, but they are both getting old. Winston Justice needs to do better, and do better quickly. Probably will address this position in the mid rounds of the draft.

G: Andrews is a lock at RG, but my guess is that the starting LG will be Max Jean-Gilles. Reid was really impressed with what he saw down the stretch, and Herremans really did nothing to make sure he’d be keeping his job.

C: Jackson will be back, but he needs to be better. The team may bring someone else in, but probably not a big name.

Defense:

DE: Kearse is most definitely gone. Howard should be gone. It should be Cole and Juqua Thomas starting the year as the ends with Abiamiri rotating in. Probably could use some more depth, but after using a 2nd round pick on Abiamiri this past year, this will probably be done late in the draft or through free agency

DT: Bunkley and Patterson are the starters. Like DE, depth is a question. Where will it come from?

LB: I think Spikes is gone. His age really showed, and the younger guys need to be given an opportunity to shine. Gaither and Gocong will probably be on the outside with Bradley given the starting job in the middle. The team really likes Akeem Jordan also. I think this is a position that will be of little concern in the offseason.

CB: Lito and Sheldon will start if healthy. William James must go for the good of every Eagles fan. Joselio Hanson did a decent job, but I think this is where the Eagles will go in round 1 of the draft. It’s time to draft another young stud corner that can be a starter in this league for many years.

S: Considine is awful. Everyone is well aware of this. He’ll probably stay on the roster, but he has no shot at starting. Dawkins will probably start at FS with Mikell at SS. JR Reed looked pretty good in the limited time he had. They may address this position, but I think they are content enough to wait another year.

Starters on Offense:

QB McNabb

RB Westbrook

FB Tapeh

WR1 New Player

WR2 Curtis

TE Celek

LT Thomas

LG Jean-Gilles

C Jackson

RG Andrews

RT Runyan

Starters on Defense:

DE Cole

DT Bunkley

DT Patterson

DE Thomas

LB Gocong

LB Bradley

LB Gaither

CB Sheppard

CB Brown

FS Dawkins

SS Mikell

The team looks above average on paper, and with a big name WR addition and a healthier McNabb could be a contender to go deep in the playoffs. Depth will probably be an issue, and injuries could cripple this team. Should be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

LB: I think Spikes is gone. His age really showed, and the younger guys need to be given an opportunity to shine. Gaither and Gocong will probably be on the outside with Bradley given the starting job in the middle. The team really likes Akeem Jordan also. I think this is a position that will be of little concern in the offseason.

Agreed. I keep trying to counter the "Eagles will take LB early" posts in the mock draft threads. They have a young core of Gaither/Gocong/Bradley/Jordan that they seem to be happy with. And the team did far better against the run this year, due in part to these guys improving. DB is where we are hurting the most. LB is one of the few positions management will NOT consider with a first-day pick.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Offense:QB: McNabb will be the starter for game 1 of 2008. How long he lasts I don’t know, but I don’t expect his leash to be too short either unless he really, really struggles for the first quarter of the season. I would guess Kolb gets some action towards the end of the season and will start full time in 2009, barring any McNabb MVP type season. Signing Feeley to be 2nd-3rd string for that long was a mistake.RB: I’d like to see Tony Hunt get a little more involved, or at least be active on gameday. Moats may be cut if he can’t get healthy. Probably not too much action here in the offseason. Maybe a late draft pick.FB: Tapeh will probably have the job again with nobody being added. Andy does not look at this position too much.WR: I think this may be the end of the line for Hank Baskett, especially if they bring in a good receiver in free agency or in a trade, which they need to do. Also could be the first round draft pick. The WR corps will probably look very similar, but with an extra body or two. Hopefully a big name.TE: LJ is gone. Schobel will stick around, but my guess is that the team really would like Celek to be the opening day starter.T: Runyan and Thomas keep on truckin, but they are both getting old. Winston Justice needs to do better, and do better quickly. Probably will address this position in the mid rounds of the draft.G: Andrews is a lock at RG, but my guess is that the starting LG will be Max Jean-Gilles. Reid was really impressed with what he saw down the stretch, and Herremans really did nothing to make sure he’d be keeping his job.C: Jackson will be back, but he needs to be better. The team may bring someone else in, but probably not a big name.DefenseE: Kearse is most definitely gone. Howard should be gone. It should be Cole and Juqua Thomas starting the year as the ends with Abiamiri rotating in. Probably could use some more depth, but after using a 2nd round pick on Abiamiri this past year, this will probably be done late in the draft or through free agencyDT: Bunkley and Patterson are the starters. Like DE, depth is a question. Where will it come from?LB: I think Spikes is gone. His age really showed, and the younger guys need to be given an opportunity to shine. Gaither and Gocong will probably be on the outside with Bradley given the starting job in the middle. The team really likes Akeem Jordan also. I think this is a position that will be of little concern in the offseason.CB: Lito and Sheldon will start if healthy. William James must go for the good of every Eagles fan. Joselio Hanson did a decent job, but I think this is where the Eagles will go in round 1 of the draft. It’s time to draft another young stud corner that can be a starter in this league for many years.S: Considine is awful. Everyone is well aware of this. He’ll probably stay on the roster, but he has no shot at starting. Dawkins will probably start at FS with Mikell at SS. JR Reed looked pretty good in the limited time he had. They may address this position, but I think they are content enough to wait another year.Starters on Offense:QB McNabbRB WestbrookFB TapehWR1 New PlayerWR2 CurtisTE CelekLT ThomasLG Jean-GillesC JacksonRG AndrewsRT RunyanStarters on DefenseE ColeDT BunkleyDT PattersonDE ThomasLB GocongLB BradleyLB GaitherCB SheppardCB BrownFS DawkinsSS MikellThe team looks above average on paper, and with a big name WR addition and a healthier McNabb could be a contender to go deep in the playoffs. Depth will probably be an issue, and injuries could cripple this team. Should be interesting to see what happens.

Pretty . I don' think there is any question about McNabb starting next season. Even thought McNabb started slowly, and wasn't really 100% until about halfway through the season, he finished strong. He completed 61.5% of his passes for 3324 yards, 19 Tds, and only 7 interceptions. I think he got better as the season went on, and is still a very good QB. His cap number isn't unreasonable as far as QBs go, and Kevin Kolb is an unknown prospect at this point. I like Kolb, but I think starting the year with him as their QB won't happen unless they feel he is better right now than McNabb. Donovan isn't a FA until 2009, so they can keep him for at least one more year and see how he does. He actually avoided major injuries this season. I think it would be a very bad move for the Eagles to get rid of him, and they are very smart with their roster, so I think he stays at least one more year and think he will be very good next season if he stays healthy. They need to get rid of Kearse and Howard, which will free up some cap room to go after other players. They usually go after an offensive lineman, and could do that again. But the positions of need are WR, DE, and safety. I think Stallworth, Berrian, or DJ Hackett would be a nice addition, unless they can get someone like Chad Johnson via trade. It would also be great to see them go after Jared Allen. I think they will be very aggressive at the WR and DE positions, and strengthen their secondary via the draft. Getting rid of Reid is crazy talk IMO. This has been one of the most successful systems/organizations in the NFL, they just need a few more difference makers. I difference making talent on both sides of the ball, and they are right with Dallas next year...especially considering that the Cowboys have some serious decisions on many of the their impending FAs. This is a good team, with a good coaching staff, and a solid young core. They should stick with what they have and be very aggressive in the draft and FA.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Do not be surprised at all if LJ Smith returns for another year. The Eagles could do much worse so if he can be had at a reasonable price, even if that means the franchise tag, they should consider it.

Who else is even a candidate for a franchise tag designation?

 

[westbrook36]

Do not be surprised at all if LJ Smith returns for another year. The Eagles could do much worse so if he can be had at a reasonable price, even if that means the franchise tag, they should consider it.Who else is even a candidate for a franchise tag designation?

Nobody else on the Eagles.

 

[JaxBill]

Do not be surprised at all if LJ Smith returns for another year. The Eagles could do much worse so if he can be had at a reasonable price, even if that means the franchise tag, they should consider it.Who else is even a candidate for a franchise tag designation?

There's no way LJ is worth even close to the money that a franchise designation would cost. Imagine that locker room if a tight end who gets dinged is getting paid two or three times what Westbrook is?

 

[westbrook36]

Do not be surprised at all if LJ Smith returns for another year. The Eagles could do much worse so if he can be had at a reasonable price, even if that means the franchise tag, they should consider it.Who else is even a candidate for a franchise tag designation?

There's no way LJ is worth even close to the money that a franchise designation would cost. Imagine that locker room if a tight end who gets dinged is getting paid two or three times what Westbrook is?

The number for a tight end is actually not that bad. I beleive it is around 4.5 million. I don't think they'll do that though.

 

[JetMaxx]

I agree with most of what has been posted. My offseason wishlist:

Jared Allen, DE-Stud DE, would fit in very well with Cole, Thomas, and Abiamiri. His drug history is disconcerting though.

Bernard Berrian, WR-Deep threat that opens the field for everyone else and takes advantage of McNabb's deep ball ability.

Greg Jones, FB-oft injured but talented upgrade to the FB position. Provides another subtle but effective weapon. Becomes the short yardage back and late game pounder if necessary.

Franichise LJ Smith-essentially it would be an overpayment but you retain the services of a talented TE with no other talented alternatives available.

Draft-Used to find a KR and to supplement/rebuild the DB/OL/DL depth.

Interesting side note: There is precedence to the big name DE and WR signings in the same offseason, circa 2004 with Kearse and Owens. So the above scenario with Allen and Berrian is not far fetched.

I'm not a blind homer by any stretch but I firmly believe that the Eagles, with a healthy McNabb, can challenge anyone in the NFC if their offseason plays out this way.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I agree with most of what has been posted. My offseason wishlist:

Jared Allen, DE-Stud DE, would fit in very well with Cole, Thomas, and Abiamiri. His drug history is disconcerting though.

Bernard Berrian, WR-Deep threat that opens the field for everyone else and takes advantage of McNabb's deep ball ability.

Greg Jones, FB-oft injured but talented upgrade to the FB position. Provides another subtle but effective weapon. Becomes the short yardage back and late game pounder if necessary.

Franichise LJ Smith-essentially it would be an overpayment but you retain the services of a talented TE with no other talented alternatives available.

Draft-Used to find a KR and to supplement/rebuild the DB/OL/DL depth.

Interesting side note: There is precedence to the big name DE and WR signings in the same offseason, circa 2004 with Kearse and Owens. So the above scenario with Allen and Berrian is not far fetched.

I'm not a blind homer by any stretch but I firmly believe that the Eagles, with a healthy McNabb, can challenge anyone in the NFC if their offseason plays out this way.

I don't think Berrian is the answer. IIRC he doesn't do well beating press coverage, something a true #1 would have to do for Philly. We have guys who can stretch the field (KCurtis, possibly Greg Lewis) and also an above average WR in Reggie Brown.

Imagine if Randy Moss was suddenly on the team. Reggie Brown and KCurtis as WR2/3? That'd be much, much better.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Do not be surprised at all if LJ Smith returns for another year. The Eagles could do much worse so if he can be had at a reasonable price, even if that means the franchise tag, they should consider it.Who else is even a candidate for a franchise tag designation?

There's no way LJ is worth even close to the money that a franchise designation would cost. Imagine that locker room if a tight end who gets dinged is getting paid two or three times what Westbrook is?

The number for a tight end is actually not that bad. I beleive it is around 4.5 million. I don't think they'll do that though.

It's actually been discussed quite often by those who cover the team closely. It's more a statement about the overall quality of the NFL TEs than it is about LJ Smith.The NFC East is arguably the #1 division for TE play - and Philly is probably the worst of the four (Cooley, Witten, Shockey).

 

[awesomeness]

Do not be surprised at all if LJ Smith returns for another year. The Eagles could do much worse so if he can be had at a reasonable price, even if that means the franchise tag, they should consider it.

Who else is even a candidate for a franchise tag designation?

There's no way LJ is worth even close to the money that a franchise designation would cost. Imagine that locker room if a tight end who gets dinged is getting paid two or three times what Westbrook is?

The number for a tight end is actually not that bad. I beleive it is around 4.5 million. I don't think they'll do that though.

It's actually been discussed quite often by those who cover the team closely. It's more a statement about the overall quality of the NFL TEs than it is about LJ Smith.The NFC East is arguably the #1 division for TE play - and Philly is probably the worst of the four (Cooley, Witten, Shockey).

Probably?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Do not be surprised at all if LJ Smith returns for another year. The Eagles could do much worse so if he can be had at a reasonable price, even if that means the franchise tag, they should consider it.

Who else is even a candidate for a franchise tag designation?

There's no way LJ is worth even close to the money that a franchise designation would cost. Imagine that locker room if a tight end who gets dinged is getting paid two or three times what Westbrook is?

The number for a tight end is actually not that bad. I beleive it is around 4.5 million. I don't think they'll do that though.

It's actually been discussed quite often by those who cover the team closely. It's more a statement about the overall quality of the NFL TEs than it is about LJ Smith.The NFC East is arguably the #1 division for TE play - and Philly is probably the worst of the four (Cooley, Witten, Shockey).

Probably?

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

The answer at FB is simple: Draft Owen Schmitt. A 3rd/4th round sandwich pick should get it done.

We need a top-flight WR, but I believe Berrian's price will be over-inflated. I'd love to see them pursue a trade for Roy Williams.

If the Colts keep Clark, there are really no appetizing free agent TEs. I'd rather not bring back LJ Smith - this was a contract year for him, yet he showed nothing. Perhaps a decent veteran will shake loose. Otherwise I expect that TE will be a first-day draft priority.

 

[JaxBill]

I agree with most of what has been posted. My offseason wishlist:

Jared Allen, DE-Stud DE, would fit in very well with Cole, Thomas, and Abiamiri. His drug history is disconcerting though.

Bernard Berrian, WR-Deep threat that opens the field for everyone else and takes advantage of McNabb's deep ball ability.

Greg Jones, FB-oft injured but talented upgrade to the FB position. Provides another subtle but effective weapon. Becomes the short yardage back and late game pounder if necessary.

Franichise LJ Smith-essentially it would be an overpayment but you retain the services of a talented TE with no other talented alternatives available.

Draft-Used to find a KR and to supplement/rebuild the DB/OL/DL depth.

Interesting side note: There is precedence to the big name DE and WR signings in the same offseason, circa 2004 with Kearse and Owens. So the above scenario with Allen and Berrian is not far fetched.

I'm not a blind homer by any stretch but I firmly believe that the Eagles, with a healthy McNabb, can challenge anyone in the NFC if their offseason plays out this way.

Word is that Greg Jones wants to be paid, knee operations and all. He's filed for free agency and the Jags have basically given up hope of re-signing him. I take that to mean that his agent will sell him as short yardage back / fullback.I disagree on LJ Smith. He has shown glimpses of his ability but hasn't been able to produce consistently. The Eagles value some positions more than others. To me, Andy uses a third or fourth on the best available tight end.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Looks like we wouldn't have to franchise Smith to keep him. I wouldn't want to spend a whole lot, though, because I'm tired of the drops and the fumbles and the penalties and the injuries.Rotoworld:

L.J. Smith says he "definitely" wants to return to the Eagles in 2008.Smith says he realizes football "is a business," but says he'd "rather be somewhere where I'm happy than get a great deal." The Eagles will probably make Smith a low-risk offer before he hits the unrestricted free agent market.Source: philadelphiaeagles.com

 

[redman]

If LJ can't stay healthy during a contract year, he can't stay healthy.

<------------------ LJ owner

 

[Domination]

I think that you let LJ go for the money that would be required to sign him and use it for areas of need. Their mistake was treading back last year and not taking Olsen.

DE- Allen or Suggs

LB- Dansby

 

[westbrook36]

Hate to burst everybody's bubble, but the Chiefs are guaranteed to franchise tag Jared Allen.

 

[scratcher]

So far, three of the team's top players (McNabb, Westbrook, Runyan) have come out and said they need some "playmakers" this offseason. That along with the fact that the Eagles seem to copy the Pats on a one year delay suggests we may have a fun offseason.

 

[Slider]

We've seen what McNabb can do when completely healthy and something big is on the line. He has failed miserably. Trade him while we can still get something. Feeley/Kolb should probably do as well as McNabb. I think Kolb is a better prospect than Hasselbeck was. Get another WR and LT and we can throw any QB in there with this system.

And yes, LJ will probably come back for 1 more year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'm thinking that March is way more important for 2008 than the draft. I guess that goes without saying, but expect the draft to be about 2009/10 (more later).

In free agency, I expect LJ to return at TE but also a WR to come to roost. I don't know if we can get a big name like Randy Moss (Eagles fans should root for the Pats to win, giving him a ring - one more reason to root against the Giants). Moss may want to go to another club that is close and try and put them over the top. Wishful thinking? Maybe, but that's what I have for now....

Second choice is a big WR1 who can get off the line. Hackett comes to mind, but I think Bryant Johnson isn't a bad call either. Berrian? I'm not seeing him as an improvement over Kevin Curtis. Maybe I'm wrong (he may have size on him, but not speed I'd say).

For once LB is a strength. RB is solid with Westy and CBuck, maybe even Tony Hunt. Special teams, DBs, the lines and depth must improve (esp. front 4 DL push). Maybe Abiamiri contributes, but then again a free agent DT might be a good idea too.

As for the draft? I've heard that Philly has a lot of picks, which is good. They did ok last year at the draft, but some DBs wound up on other teams (taken from the practice squad). That can't happen again. Philly needs DB help and I expect a CB/KR/PR threat to be the first pick. That'd be a great start.

I expect that the DB depth and both lines depth will be bolstered at the draft in April. May not be sexy, but they are building for the future now in the draft, and building for the Superbowl in 12 months via free agency. McNabb (must stay this year), Westy, BDawkins and LSheppard aren't getting any younger, nor is Runyan. Time to make a push for the playoffs NOW.

I expect some skills players to be drafted (a RB, a QB even, and a WR) but the RB/WR must be able to contribute on ST. That's key. The Green Bay set the tone last year and that cannot happen again. Speed and restocking the roster will be the Draft Day strategy.

So bring me Hackett and a DT/DE for some inside push and let's grab a nickel / dime corner(s) in April and go for it.

Lastly - Mikell >>>> Considine. Thanks for playing.