** Official ** Eagles 2008 Thread (1 Viewer)

[Chunky Soup]

We can't really know how untenable the situation is with Ocho Cinco and Cincy, but clearly he went out of his way today on ESPN and NFL Network to ask for a change of scenery (but admitting that it's out of his control). Hypothetically, Lito plus a pick for CJ would make a lot of sense for both sides. Just saying.

As a Bengals fan I would hope that would be an instant rejection as cincy is loaded at corner. I dont really see a guy on your team that matches Ocho's value.

26th in pass defense and you're loaded at corner?

 

[Lehigh98]

Eagles interested in WR Earl Bennett, from Vandy.

Eagles 2nd Rd?

I've been reading up on Bennett. Apparently he's a pretty good return guy.I've also read that he's projected in the 3rd round.

Why would we sit and wait for the third when we could trade Lito and some bottlecaps to move up a few spots in the second and nab him?

 

[NorrisB]

We can't really know how untenable the situation is with Ocho Cinco and Cincy, but clearly he went out of his way today on ESPN and NFL Network to ask for a change of scenery (but admitting that it's out of his control). Hypothetically, Lito plus a pick for CJ would make a lot of sense for both sides. Just saying.

As a Bengals fan I would hope that would be an instant rejection as cincy is loaded at corner. I dont really see a guy on your team that matches Ocho's value.

26th in pass defense and you're loaded at corner?

Dude....he's talking about Cincinatti....26th is good there! Sorry...that was just too easy.

Yeah the fact that the entire LB corps and both safetys were out is any reflection on Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall (who was a rookie) The Bengals are about as loaded as anyone at corner.

 

[Zoomanji]

Eagles interested in WR Earl Bennett, from Vandy.

Eagles 2nd Rd?

I've been reading up on Bennett. Apparently he's a pretty good return guy.I've also read that he's projected in the 3rd round.

Why would we sit and wait for the third when we could trade Lito and some bottlecaps to move up a few spots in the second and nab him?

Beat me too it. Sounds like the Eagles to move up a round too early to grab a player they like.

Just like last year...............

 

[Jason Wood]

We can't really know how untenable the situation is with Ocho Cinco and Cincy, but clearly he went out of his way today on ESPN and NFL Network to ask for a change of scenery (but admitting that it's out of his control). Hypothetically, Lito plus a pick for CJ would make a lot of sense for both sides. Just saying.

As a Bengals fan I would hope that would be an instant rejection as cincy is loaded at corner. I dont really see a guy on your team that matches Ocho's value.

26th in pass defense and you're loaded at corner?

Dude....he's talking about Cincinatti....26th is good there! Sorry...that was just too easy.

Yeah the fact that the entire LB corps and both safetys were out is any reflection on Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall (who was a rookie) The Bengals are about as loaded as anyone at corner.

"As loaded as anyone at corner." Now, if you wanted to argue that the CB position was the least of Cincy's defensive needs I could see it. But being the prettiest house in a slum is only worth so much.

 

[Mustang Man]

We can't really know how untenable the situation is with Ocho Cinco and Cincy, but clearly he went out of his way today on ESPN and NFL Network to ask for a change of scenery (but admitting that it's out of his control). Hypothetically, Lito plus a pick for CJ would make a lot of sense for both sides. Just saying.

As a Bengals fan I would hope that would be an instant rejection as cincy is loaded at corner. I dont really see a guy on your team that matches Ocho's value.

26th in pass defense and you're loaded at corner?

Dude....he's talking about Cincinatti....26th is good there! Sorry...that was just too easy.

Yeah the fact that the entire LB corps and both safetys were out is any reflection on Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall (who was a rookie) The Bengals are about as loaded as anyone at corner.

"As loaded as anyone at corner." Now, if you wanted to argue that the CB position was the least of Cincy's defensive needs I could see it. But being the prettiest house in a slum is only worth so much.

Dude you Philly guys are just itching for a decent wr. Good luck with that.

 

[Jason Wood]

We can't really know how untenable the situation is with Ocho Cinco and Cincy, but clearly he went out of his way today on ESPN and NFL Network to ask for a change of scenery (but admitting that it's out of his control). Hypothetically, Lito plus a pick for CJ would make a lot of sense for both sides. Just saying.

As a Bengals fan I would hope that would be an instant rejection as cincy is loaded at corner. I dont really see a guy on your team that matches Ocho's value.

26th in pass defense and you're loaded at corner?

Dude....he's talking about Cincinatti....26th is good there! Sorry...that was just too easy.

Yeah the fact that the entire LB corps and both safetys were out is any reflection on Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall (who was a rookie) The Bengals are about as loaded as anyone at corner.

"As loaded as anyone at corner." Now, if you wanted to argue that the CB position was the least of Cincy's defensive needs I could see it. But being the prettiest house in a slum is only worth so much.

Dude you Philly guys are just itching for a decent wr. Good luck with that.

We have one decent receiver, but we desperately want/need an elite receiver to go with it. I'm not denying that

 

[renesauz]

We can't really know how untenable the situation is with Ocho Cinco and Cincy, but clearly he went out of his way today on ESPN and NFL Network to ask for a change of scenery (but admitting that it's out of his control). Hypothetically, Lito plus a pick for CJ would make a lot of sense for both sides.

Just saying.

As a Bengals fan I would hope that would be an instant rejection as cincy is loaded at corner. I dont really see a guy on your team that matches Ocho's value.

26th in pass defense and you're loaded at corner?

Dude....he's talking about Cincinatti....26th is good there! Sorry...that was just too easy.

Yeah the fact that the entire LB corps and both safetys were out is any reflection on Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall (who was a rookie) The Bengals are about as loaded as anyone at corner.

"As loaded as anyone at corner." Now, if you wanted to argue that the CB position was the least of Cincy's defensive needs I could see it. But being the prettiest house in a slum is only worth so much.

Dude you Philly guys are just itching for a decent wr. Good luck with that.

We have one several decent receivers, but we desperately want/need an elite receiver to go with it. I'm not denying that

Fixed! We are loaded with "decent" recievers. We lack a top tier reciever.

 

[Jason Wood]

We can't really know how untenable the situation is with Ocho Cinco and Cincy, but clearly he went out of his way today on ESPN and NFL Network to ask for a change of scenery (but admitting that it's out of his control). Hypothetically, Lito plus a pick for CJ would make a lot of sense for both sides.

Just saying.

As a Bengals fan I would hope that would be an instant rejection as cincy is loaded at corner. I dont really see a guy on your team that matches Ocho's value.

26th in pass defense and you're loaded at corner?

Dude....he's talking about Cincinatti....26th is good there! Sorry...that was just too easy.

Yeah the fact that the entire LB corps and both safetys were out is any reflection on Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall (who was a rookie) The Bengals are about as loaded as anyone at corner.

"As loaded as anyone at corner." Now, if you wanted to argue that the CB position was the least of Cincy's defensive needs I could see it. But being the prettiest house in a slum is only worth so much.

Dude you Philly guys are just itching for a decent wr. Good luck with that.

We have one several decent receivers, but we desperately want/need an elite receiver to go with it. I'm not denying that

Fixed! We are loaded with "decent" recievers. We lack a top tier reciever.

Nope...not in my opinion. We have one decent receiver, Kevin Curtis. Reggie Brown shouldn't be a starter in this league and Avant/Baskett and Lewis wouldn't make top tier offenses final rosters.

 

[Zoomanji]

Nope...not in my opinion. We have one decent receiver, Kevin Curtis. Reggie Brown shouldn't be a starter in this league and Avant/Baskett and Lewis wouldn't make top tier offenses final rosters.

Exaggeration or ?These guys beat out Gaffney and he's on a pretty good offense.I sort oF agree. Curtis is OK as a 2 OR 3, same with Brown IMO. Avant will be determined this year, he could develop into a solid possession guy or just another guy. Baskett and Lewis are roster filler. Once Lewis gets waived he'll be claimed by Minny for 2 weeks then out of the NFL

 

[renesauz]

Curtis as #2

Brown as #3

Avant as #4

Baskett/Lewis depth

I would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

Curtis as #2Brown as #3Avant as #4Baskett/Lewis depthI would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

I'm not quite sure why every one is so hell bent on getting a big time reciever in here? I personally place the Eagles offensive woes strictly on the back of #5 last year. The offense moved the ball fine with Garcia in 06 and they essentially had the same group of lack luster recievers. The fact that Greg Lewis is on his 5th year with this team proves to me that Andy Reid is convineced that no matter who his WR's are, he will be able to scheme his way to 24 points. You think this front office is just realizing now they need a game breaker? Reid is in his 10th season with the Birds and aside from one year has had absolute mediocrity at the wideout spot. This team does not place a huge premium at this spot, why they don't I will never know.And not to be Bill Tobin in the mid 90's, but who the hell is Deranged Hermit? How does he have the skinny on whats going on behind the scenes?

 

[jasvic]

Curtis as #2

Brown as #3

Avant as #4

Baskett/Lewis depth

I would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

I'm not quite sure why every one is so hell bent on getting a big time reciever in here? I personally place the Eagles offensive woes strictly on the back of #5 last year. The offense moved the ball fine with Garcia in 06 and they essentially had the same group of lack luster recievers. The fact that Greg Lewis is on his 5th year with this team proves to me that Andy Reid is convineced that no matter who his WR's are, he will be able to scheme his way to 24 points. You think this front office is just realizing now they need a game breaker? Reid is in his 10th season with the Birds and aside from one year has had absolute mediocrity at the wideout spot. This team does not place a huge premium at this spot, why they don't I will never know.And not to be Bill Tobin in the mid 90's, but who the hell is Deranged Hermit? How does he have the skinny on whats going on behind the scenes?

25.8 Average points per game in 2006 in games McNabb started (excluding game he was hurt)24.8 Average points per game in 2006 in games Garcia started (including playoffs)

I gave Garcia very little credit for the Eagles turn around in '06 and was not sad to see him leave for the money he wanted. The team turned it around that year because they started calling a more balanced offense when Garcia took over, and the defense stepped up. Had nothing to do with QB play. (Although you could make the argument that these things happened because McNabb got hurt, but that goes to show who the better QB is. Team felt they had to do these things in order to win.)

Now if you want to blame McNabb last year because he's still recovering from injury, that's a different story. But also blame the defense for a lack of turnovers and the o-line was lackluster as well, IMO. Also, I think Reid had his head up his own ### thanks to his delinquent kids.

 

[Jason Wood]

Curtis as #2Brown as #3Avant as #4Baskett/Lewis depthI would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

Sure, IF (a huge IF) we inserted a top tier WR1 at the top of that list. Make that same substitution on the depth chart of most NFL teams and you would come to a similar conclusion.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

Curtis as #2

Brown as #3

Avant as #4

Baskett/Lewis depth

I would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

I'm not quite sure why every one is so hell bent on getting a big time reciever in here? I personally place the Eagles offensive woes strictly on the back of #5 last year. The offense moved the ball fine with Garcia in 06 and they essentially had the same group of lack luster recievers. The fact that Greg Lewis is on his 5th year with this team proves to me that Andy Reid is convineced that no matter who his WR's are, he will be able to scheme his way to 24 points. You think this front office is just realizing now they need a game breaker? Reid is in his 10th season with the Birds and aside from one year has had absolute mediocrity at the wideout spot. This team does not place a huge premium at this spot, why they don't I will never know.And not to be Bill Tobin in the mid 90's, but who the hell is Deranged Hermit? How does he have the skinny on whats going on behind the scenes?

25.8 Average points per game in 2006 in games McNabb started (excluding game he was hurt)24.8 Average points per game in 2006 in games Garcia started (including playoffs)

I gave Garcia very little credit for the Eagles turn around in '06 and was not sad to see him leave for the money he wanted. The team turned it around that year because they started calling a more balanced offense when Garcia took over, and the defense stepped up. Had nothing to do with QB play. (Although you could make the argument that these things happened because McNabb got hurt, but that goes to show who the better QB is. Team felt they had to do these things in order to win.)

Now if you want to blame McNabb last year because he's still recovering from injury, that's a different story. But also blame the defense for a lack of turnovers and the o-line was lackluster as well, IMO. Also, I think Reid had his head up his own ### thanks to his delinquent kids.

By no means am I saying that they should have kept Garcia, but this offense clearly played with a confidence and purpose when he took over for McNabb in '06. By no means am I a McNabb hater either, but he clearly was not ready to play football last year and I think the offense defiently suffered as a result. Your 2006 statistics again point out that Andy Ried will scheme his way to 24 points based on his system, regardless of the talent at this spot. I will say that Reggie Brown was a huge dissapointment in 2007, but aside from that, theres no reason this front office feels the need to make a play on a big time reciever. The Moss story was nonsense, that wasn't happening. In my honest opinon after you saw what TO did to this offense in 04, I am literally speechless why Joe Banner never felt a need to get McNabb a top flight WR when you have a RB as dynamic and versitile as Westbrook.Your point on the defense is dead on though, If they are committing only 17 takeways next year, they have no shot regardless if that had Fitzgerald, or whatever other top line WR these silly rumors are mentioning. The fact that they poured tons of cash on Samuel and brought in a 3rd down pass rush specialist point out that they know they need playmakers on defense.

 

[jasvic]

Well we pretty much agree then, except I think the FO is trying to land a #1 receiver and the Moss story did have legs.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

Well we pretty much agree then, except I think the FO is trying to land a #1 receiver and the Moss story did have legs.

Perhaps, but you mean to tell me Year 10 of the Reid/McNabb/Birds FO parternship and three seasons removed from Owens being content in Philly they are realizing just now that they need to land a #1 type? That's borderline ######ed on their part if you ask me. It will alaways frustrate me to no end that they didnt give McNabb the top dog. You know he's going to throw this FO under the bus when he leaves next year over that issue.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Well we pretty much agree then, except I think the FO is trying to land a #1 receiver and the Moss story did have legs.

Perhaps, but you mean to tell me Year 10 of the Reid/McNabb/Birds FO parternship and three seasons removed from Owens being content in Philly they are realizing just now that they need to land a #1 type? That's borderline ######ed on their part if you ask me. It will alaways frustrate me to no end that they didnt give McNabb the top dog. You know he's going to throw this FO under the bus when he leaves next year over that issue.

They did make a significant play for Javon Walker but were outbid. I'm sure they also expected Brown to improve upon his '06 numbers which actually weren't bad for a second year player. A lot of fans have buried Brown this offseason; ironically the vast majority of them will also note that McNabb clearly wasn't right until the very latter stages of the season. Why should it then be surprising that Brown's numbers also regressed? I would like an additional receiver added but I think a healthy McNabb & LJ will also do wonders for this offense.

 

[Bob Wiley]

Curtis as #2

Brown as #3

Avant as #4

Baskett/Lewis depth

I would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

I'm not quite sure why every one is so hell bent on getting a big time reciever in here? I personally place the Eagles offensive woes strictly on the back of #5 last year. The offense moved the ball fine with Garcia in 06 and they essentially had the same group of lack luster recievers. The fact that Greg Lewis is on his 5th year with this team proves to me that Andy Reid is convineced that no matter who his WR's are, he will be able to scheme his way to 24 points. You think this front office is just realizing now they need a game breaker? Reid is in his 10th season with the Birds and aside from one year has had absolute mediocrity at the wideout spot. This team does not place a huge premium at this spot, why they don't I will never know.And not to be Bill Tobin in the mid 90's, but who the hell is Deranged Hermit? How does he have the skinny on whats going on behind the scenes?

I wanted to know this too. He seems like he has connections on the inside. Anyone know how?

 

[jasvic]

Well we pretty much agree then, except I think the FO is trying to land a #1 receiver and the Moss story did have legs.

Perhaps, but you mean to tell me Year 10 of the Reid/McNabb/Birds FO parternship and three seasons removed from Owens being content in Philly they are realizing just now that they need to land a #1 type? That's borderline ######ed on their part if you ask me. It will alaways frustrate me to no end that they didnt give McNabb the top dog. You know he's going to throw this FO under the bus when he leaves next year over that issue.

They did make a significant play for Javon Walker but were outbid. I'm sure they also expected Brown to improve upon his '06 numbers which actually weren't bad for a second year player. A lot of fans have buried Brown this offseason; ironically the vast majority of them will also note that McNabb clearly wasn't right until the very latter stages of the season. Why should it then be surprising that Brown's numbers also regressed? I would like an additional receiver added but I think a healthy McNabb & LJ will also do wonders for this offense.

This. Plus, they brought in Stallworth 2 years ago and Curtis last year. Neither are world beaters, but they are both guys with some talent. Thankfully, they have moved far from the Thrash and Pinkston days and are actually making attempts at bringing in talent at WR.

 

[Jason Wood]

Well we pretty much agree then, except I think the FO is trying to land a #1 receiver and the Moss story did have legs.

Perhaps, but you mean to tell me Year 10 of the Reid/McNabb/Birds FO parternship and three seasons removed from Owens being content in Philly they are realizing just now that they need to land a #1 type? That's borderline ######ed on their part if you ask me. It will alaways frustrate me to no end that they didnt give McNabb the top dog. You know he's going to throw this FO under the bus when he leaves next year over that issue.

They did make a significant play for Javon Walker but were outbid. I'm sure they also expected Brown to improve upon his '06 numbers which actually weren't bad for a second year player. A lot of fans have buried Brown this offseason; ironically the vast majority of them will also note that McNabb clearly wasn't right until the very latter stages of the season. Why should it then be surprising that Brown's numbers also regressed? I would like an additional receiver added but I think a healthy McNabb & LJ will also do wonders for this offense.

This. Plus, they brought in Stallworth 2 years ago and Curtis last year. Neither are world beaters, but they are both guys with some talent. Thankfully, they have moved far from the Thrash and Pinkston days and are actually making attempts at bringing in talent at WR.

The Eagles under Reid have never stopped trying to improve the WR position, despite Andy insisting publicly that he had confidence in even our worse groupings (Torrance Small anyone?).Signing TO, trying to sign Moss are the headline idea...but the Eagles used high picks on Pinkston, Reggie Brown and Freddie Mitchell. Just so happens they picked the wrong guys; but they tried.

 

[JAA]

Well we pretty much agree then, except I think the FO is trying to land a #1 receiver and the Moss story did have legs.

Perhaps, but you mean to tell me Year 10 of the Reid/McNabb/Birds FO parternship and three seasons removed from Owens being content in Philly they are realizing just now that they need to land a #1 type? That's borderline ######ed on their part if you ask me. It will alaways frustrate me to no end that they didnt give McNabb the top dog. You know he's going to throw this FO under the bus when he leaves next year over that issue.

They did make a significant play for Javon Walker but were outbid. I'm sure they also expected Brown to improve upon his '06 numbers which actually weren't bad for a second year player. A lot of fans have buried Brown this offseason; ironically the vast majority of them will also note that McNabb clearly wasn't right until the very latter stages of the season. Why should it then be surprising that Brown's numbers also regressed? I would like an additional receiver added but I think a healthy McNabb & LJ will also do wonders for this offense.

This. Plus, they brought in Stallworth 2 years ago and Curtis last year. Neither are world beaters, but they are both guys with some talent. Thankfully, they have moved far from the Thrash and Pinkston days and are actually making attempts at bringing in talent at WR.

The Eagles under Reid have never stopped trying to improve the WR position, despite Andy insisting publicly that he had confidence in even our worse groupings (Torrance Small anyone?).Signing TO, trying to sign Moss are the headline idea...but the Eagles used high picks on Pinkston, Reggie Brown and Freddie Mitchell. Just so happens they picked the wrong guys; but they tried.

noHow many years did we run into the NFCCG with Stinkston, Trash, and "Hands"?

 

[scratcher]

Curtis as #2

Brown as #3

Avant as #4

Baskett/Lewis depth

I would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

I'm not quite sure why every one is so hell bent on getting a big time reciever in here? I personally place the Eagles offensive woes strictly on the back of #5 last year. The offense moved the ball fine with Garcia in 06 and they essentially had the same group of lack luster recievers. The fact that Greg Lewis is on his 5th year with this team proves to me that Andy Reid is convineced that no matter who his WR's are, he will be able to scheme his way to 24 points. You think this front office is just realizing now they need a game breaker? Reid is in his 10th season with the Birds and aside from one year has had absolute mediocrity at the wideout spot. This team does not place a huge premium at this spot, why they don't I will never know.And not to be Bill Tobin in the mid 90's, but who the hell is Deranged Hermit? How does he have the skinny on whats going on behind the scenes?

I wanted to know this too. He seems like he has connections on the inside. Anyone know how?

No need to ask too many questions and drive the guy away. Just take the info and say thanks.

 

[Jason Wood]

Well we pretty much agree then, except I think the FO is trying to land a #1 receiver and the Moss story did have legs.

Perhaps, but you mean to tell me Year 10 of the Reid/McNabb/Birds FO parternship and three seasons removed from Owens being content in Philly they are realizing just now that they need to land a #1 type? That's borderline ######ed on their part if you ask me. It will alaways frustrate me to no end that they didnt give McNabb the top dog. You know he's going to throw this FO under the bus when he leaves next year over that issue.

They did make a significant play for Javon Walker but were outbid. I'm sure they also expected Brown to improve upon his '06 numbers which actually weren't bad for a second year player. A lot of fans have buried Brown this offseason; ironically the vast majority of them will also note that McNabb clearly wasn't right until the very latter stages of the season. Why should it then be surprising that Brown's numbers also regressed? I would like an additional receiver added but I think a healthy McNabb & LJ will also do wonders for this offense.

This. Plus, they brought in Stallworth 2 years ago and Curtis last year. Neither are world beaters, but they are both guys with some talent. Thankfully, they have moved far from the Thrash and Pinkston days and are actually making attempts at bringing in talent at WR.

The Eagles under Reid have never stopped trying to improve the WR position, despite Andy insisting publicly that he had confidence in even our worse groupings (Torrance Small anyone?).Signing TO, trying to sign Moss are the headline idea...but the Eagles used high picks on Pinkston, Reggie Brown and Freddie Mitchell. Just so happens they picked the wrong guys; but they tried.

noHow many years did we run into the NFCCG with Stinkston, Trash, and "Hands"?

You're missing the point. The Eagles used a high 2nd round pick on Pinkston in 2000. They followed that up in 2001 by using their 1st round pick on Freddie Mitchell. The Eagles used a valuable collateral assets to acquire/upgrade the WR situation early in McNabb's career. They tried. What can't be argued is that, despite their attempts, they picked the wrong guys. Getting it wrong is different than ignoring the position.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Curtis as #2

Brown as #3

Avant as #4

Baskett/Lewis depth

I would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

I'm not quite sure why every one is so hell bent on getting a big time reciever in here? I personally place the Eagles offensive woes strictly on the back of #5 last year. The offense moved the ball fine with Garcia in 06 and they essentially had the same group of lack luster recievers. The fact that Greg Lewis is on his 5th year with this team proves to me that Andy Reid is convineced that no matter who his WR's are, he will be able to scheme his way to 24 points. You think this front office is just realizing now they need a game breaker? Reid is in his 10th season with the Birds and aside from one year has had absolute mediocrity at the wideout spot. This team does not place a huge premium at this spot, why they don't I will never know.And not to be Bill Tobin in the mid 90's, but who the hell is Deranged Hermit? How does he have the skinny on whats going on behind the scenes?

I wanted to know this too. He seems like he has connections on the inside. Anyone know how?

I've said several times in the past that a very good friend of mine works in the Eagles FO.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Curtis as #2

Brown as #3

Avant as #4

Baskett/Lewis depth

I would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

I'm not quite sure why every one is so hell bent on getting a big time reciever in here? I personally place the Eagles offensive woes strictly on the back of #5 last year. The offense moved the ball fine with Garcia in 06 and they essentially had the same group of lack luster recievers. The fact that Greg Lewis is on his 5th year with this team proves to me that Andy Reid is convineced that no matter who his WR's are, he will be able to scheme his way to 24 points. You think this front office is just realizing now they need a game breaker? Reid is in his 10th season with the Birds and aside from one year has had absolute mediocrity at the wideout spot. This team does not place a huge premium at this spot, why they don't I will never know.And not to be Bill Tobin in the mid 90's, but who the hell is Deranged Hermit? How does he have the skinny on whats going on behind the scenes?

I wanted to know this too. He seems like he has connections on the inside. Anyone know how?

He has solid contacts within the Eagles, and as long as he shares good and reliable info I could care less how he gets it.That's all anyone should care about, because pressing for a definitive source can reduce our access - so I'd suggest we let DH report what he can, when he can.

 

[Bob Wiley]

Curtis as #2

Brown as #3

Avant as #4

Baskett/Lewis depth

I would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

I'm not quite sure why every one is so hell bent on getting a big time reciever in here? I personally place the Eagles offensive woes strictly on the back of #5 last year. The offense moved the ball fine with Garcia in 06 and they essentially had the same group of lack luster recievers. The fact that Greg Lewis is on his 5th year with this team proves to me that Andy Reid is convineced that no matter who his WR's are, he will be able to scheme his way to 24 points. You think this front office is just realizing now they need a game breaker? Reid is in his 10th season with the Birds and aside from one year has had absolute mediocrity at the wideout spot. This team does not place a huge premium at this spot, why they don't I will never know.And not to be Bill Tobin in the mid 90's, but who the hell is Deranged Hermit? How does he have the skinny on whats going on behind the scenes?

I wanted to know this too. He seems like he has connections on the inside. Anyone know how?

I've said several times in the past that a very good friend of mine works in the Eagles FO.

Ok. Cool. I was just wondering.

 

[Lehigh98]

He has solid contacts within the Eagles, and as long as he shares good and reliable info I could care less how he gets it.That's all anyone should care about, because pressing for a definitive source can reduce our access - so I'd suggest we let DH report what he can, when he can.

You make him sound like Nathan Hale. :(

 

[Slider]

Well we pretty much agree then, except I think the FO is trying to land a #1 receiver and the Moss story did have legs.

Perhaps, but you mean to tell me Year 10 of the Reid/McNabb/Birds FO parternship and three seasons removed from Owens being content in Philly they are realizing just now that they need to land a #1 type? That's borderline ######ed on their part if you ask me. It will alaways frustrate me to no end that they didnt give McNabb the top dog. You know he's going to throw this FO under the bus when he leaves next year over that issue.

They did make a significant play for Javon Walker but were outbid. I'm sure they also expected Brown to improve upon his '06 numbers which actually weren't bad for a second year player. A lot of fans have buried Brown this offseason; ironically the vast majority of them will also note that McNabb clearly wasn't right until the very latter stages of the season. Why should it then be surprising that Brown's numbers also regressed? I would like an additional receiver added but I think a healthy McNabb & LJ will also do wonders for this offense.

This. Plus, they brought in Stallworth 2 years ago and Curtis last year. Neither are world beaters, but they are both guys with some talent. Thankfully, they have moved far from the Thrash and Pinkston days and are actually making attempts at bringing in talent at WR.

The Eagles under Reid have never stopped trying to improve the WR position, despite Andy insisting publicly that he had confidence in even our worse groupings (Torrance Small anyone?).Signing TO, trying to sign Moss are the headline idea...but the Eagles used high picks on Pinkston, Reggie Brown and Freddie Mitchell. Just so happens they picked the wrong guys; but they tried.

Or, did McNabb just not look for his WR's? Seems Jacksonville had the same problem with Leftwitch. No matter who they drafted, they all suck.

 

[zadok]

The Eagles under Reid have never stopped trying to improve the WR position, despite Andy insisting publicly that he had confidence in even our worse groupings (Torrance Small anyone?).

Signing TO, trying to sign Moss are the headline idea...but the Eagles used high picks on Pinkston, Reggie Brown and Freddie Mitchell. Just so happens they picked the wrong guys; but they tried.

Or, did McNabb just not look for his WR's? Seems Jacksonville had the same problem with Leftwitch. No matter who they drafted, they all suck.

Considering the post-Eagles careers of Pinkston, Mitchell and Thrash, I would say it was them, not McNabb. You think Fred-Ex would be making Pro Bowls every year for the Bengals if the Eagles drafted Chad Johnson instead?

 

[delusional]

It falls on the organization.

They can not evaluate talent at the WR position or develop it for that matter.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

It falls on the organization. They can not evaluate talent at the WR position or develop it for that matter.

They really can't for the life of them. Obviously Fred Ex over Reggie Wayne set this franshice back years at the WR position but I can't kill Reid on that one as Fred Ex played well in the Pac 10. But to look at the '00 college class and determine a 6'3 180 pound (soaking wet) string bean from Southen Miss was drafted to be your go to guy in the second round becasue he supposedly had the best "hands" was mind boggling to me. The only reciever they ever drafted with any physicality that looks to punish you when they have the ball in thier hands was LJ Smith, and he can't stay healthy. Were going on Reid's 10th draft next month.Deranged Hermit - no harm no foul bro, I just never read your earlier posts - I appreaciate your info, sure as hell beats having to stream in that jack### Eskin for Birds skinny up here in NYC.

 

[JAA]

Curtis as #2

Brown as #3

Avant as #4

Baskett/Lewis depth

I would submit that that is better/deeper then at least 20 other NFL teams from #2 on down. Change those numbers to 1/2/3, and it's worse then at least 20 other teams.

I'm not quite sure why every one is so hell bent on getting a big time reciever in here? I personally place the Eagles offensive woes strictly on the back of #5 last year. The offense moved the ball fine with Garcia in 06 and they essentially had the same group of lack luster recievers. The fact that Greg Lewis is on his 5th year with this team proves to me that Andy Reid is convineced that no matter who his WR's are, he will be able to scheme his way to 24 points. You think this front office is just realizing now they need a game breaker? Reid is in his 10th season with the Birds and aside from one year has had absolute mediocrity at the wideout spot. This team does not place a huge premium at this spot, why they don't I will never know.And not to be Bill Tobin in the mid 90's, but who the hell is Deranged Hermit? How does he have the skinny on whats going on behind the scenes?

I wanted to know this too. He seems like he has connections on the inside. Anyone know how?

He has solid contacts within the Eagles, and as long as he shares good and reliable info I could care less how he gets it.That's all anyone should care about, because pressing for a definitive source can reduce our access - so I'd suggest we let DH report what he can, when he can.

 

[Bob Wiley]

He has solid contacts within the Eagles, and as long as he shares good and reliable info I could care less how he gets it.That's all anyone should care about, because pressing for a definitive source can reduce our access - so I'd suggest we let DH report what he can, when he can.

You make him sound like Nathan Hale.

One quick Wikipedia search of Nathan Hale later, and .

 

[Deranged Hermit]

A little info: Seems as if the Jared Allen trade isn't dead yet. It looks as if they're talking to KC again.

It's probably nothing, but I find it interesting they asked about Allen again.

 

[Bob Wiley]

A little info: Seems as if the Jared Allen trade isn't dead yet. It looks as if they're talking to KC again. It's probably nothing, but I find it interesting they asked about Allen again.

Wow. That would be awesome. Any speculation on what we'd have to give up for Allen?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

A little info: Seems as if the Jared Allen trade isn't dead yet. It looks as if they're talking to KC again. It's probably nothing, but I find it interesting they asked about Allen again.

Wow. That would be awesome. Any speculation on what we'd have to give up for Allen?

Nope, not yet. As far as I know, this was a simple inquiry as to his availability.

 

[jasvic]

Not a big deal, but surprised it wasn't mentioned yet.

Eagles sign LB.

PHILADELPHIA (AP)—The Philadelphia Eagles signed linebacker Rocky Boiman to a one-year contract on Monday.

Boiman, a 6-foot-4, 236-pound linebacker, has played in 86 career games with Indianapolis and Tennessee. He had 64 tackles and two interceptions last season for the Colts.

“The defense in Indianapolis was pretty vanilla and there wasn’t really much to it,” Boiman said. “I think this is a little more exciting in the sense that there are more things going on and more attacking-style concepts that I think are going to be able to increase the things I can do as a player and really show my assets.”

The 28-year-old Boiman was a fourth-round draft choice of the Titans in 2002 and set a club record with 28 special teams tackles as a rookie.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Not a big deal, but surprised it wasn't mentioned yet.

Eagles sign LB.

PHILADELPHIA (AP)—The Philadelphia Eagles signed linebacker Rocky Boiman to a one-year contract on Monday.

Boiman, a 6-foot-4, 236-pound linebacker, has played in 86 career games with Indianapolis and Tennessee. He had 64 tackles and two interceptions last season for the Colts.

"The defense in Indianapolis was pretty vanilla and there wasn't really much to it," Boiman said. "I think this is a little more exciting in the sense that there are more things going on and more attacking-style concepts that I think are going to be able to increase the things I can do as a player and really show my assets."

The 28-year-old Boiman was a fourth-round draft choice of the Titans in 2002 and set a club record with 28 special teams tackles as a rookie.

Looking big-picture, I like this move.This means the Eagles won't need to keep "warm bodies" at LB as backups and can save a roster spot.

It also bolsters the ST coverage, which is a good thing.

That means they are also decidedly young at LB (When was the last time the Eagles had zero LBs over 30??), and that they recognize that the depth in the draft at LB isn't so great.

This makes 6 LBs on the team, about the right amount. A 7th wouldn't be a bad move, but 6 seems ok.

Having a "swing LB" on the second string is nice bonus.

Overall a good move.

 

[zadok]

Another scintillating move! Kris Wilson is in the houuuuuse.....

 

[Zoomanji]

Another scintillating move! Kris Wilson is in the houuuuuse.....

ESPN LinkNot too sure how he fits in behind LJ, Celek and Schobel. One of those 4 won't make the team and I wouldn't be surprised if a TE was drafted and 2 of them were gone.

Maybe more H-Back/FB duties with Klecko more of a ST/all-round fill-in.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

Another scintillating move! Kris Wilson is in the houuuuuse.....

ESPN LinkNot too sure how he fits in behind LJ, Celek and Schobel. One of those 4 won't make the team and I wouldn't be surprised if a TE was drafted and 2 of them were gone.

Maybe more H-Back/FB duties with Klecko more of a ST/all-round fill-in.

I think more for special teams as the Smith/Schoebel/Celek combo accounted for 50 catches.Are we really going to go in with Reed and Buckhalter returning kicks this year ?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Another scintillating move! Kris Wilson is in the houuuuuse.....

ESPN LinkNot too sure how he fits in behind LJ, Celek and Schobel. One of those 4 won't make the team and I wouldn't be surprised if a TE was drafted and 2 of them were gone.

Maybe more H-Back/FB duties with Klecko more of a ST/all-round fill-in.

I think more for special teams as the Smith/Schoebel/Celek combo accounted for 50 catches.Are we really going to go in with Reed and Buckhalter returning kicks this year ?

The returner should be added on Draft Day.

 

[scratcher]

Nothing earth shattering, but here's the Eagles view on drafting from Banner:

We try at all costs to avoid the human instinct to fill needs. It is hard not to do. The only time we bring that into the equation is if we have two players on the board who have similar grades. If one is a greater need, or plays a position that is harder to find, then we will lean one way. But we try to stick to our honest grading

So I really dont see us reaching for a WR in the first when second round talent is comparable.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

Nothing earth shattering, but here's the Eagles view on drafting from Banner:

We try at all costs to avoid the human instinct to fill needs. It is hard not to do. The only time we bring that into the equation is if we have two players on the board who have similar grades. If one is a greater need, or plays a position that is harder to find, then we will lean one way. But we try to stick to our honest grading

So I really dont see us reaching for a WR in the first when second round talent is comparable.

Coming from the same guy who deemed Matt McCoy and Sean Considine as heir apparents at their respecitve positions.I don't want them going WR in the first round either if they like the saftey from Miami or if Otah falls to them, but they clearly have a need on thier return teams. JR Reed added a special element to the special teams in 04, obviously it was unfortunate how his story unfolded - but I will literally puke if I see the KR/PR situation remain unchanged this year. From what I been reading, this kid from Vandy isn't even worthy of the 2nd rd

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Nothing earth shattering, but here's the Eagles view on drafting from Banner:

We try at all costs to avoid the human instinct to fill needs. It is hard not to do. The only time we bring that into the equation is if we have two players on the board who have similar grades. If one is a greater need, or plays a position that is harder to find, then we will lean one way. But we try to stick to our honest grading

So I really dont see us reaching for a WR in the first when second round talent is comparable.

Coming from the same guy who deemed Matt McCoy and Sean Considine as heir apparents at their respecitve positions.I don't want them going WR in the first round either if they like the saftey from Miami or if Otah falls to them, but they clearly have a need on thier return teams. JR Reed added a special element to the special teams in 04, obviously it was unfortunate how his story unfolded - but I will literally puke if I see the KR/PR situation remain unchanged this year. From what I been reading, this kid from Vandy isn't even worthy of the 2nd rd

My buddy keep talking about a WR in the first round, but I'll believe it when I see it. This first round is chock full of OT talent and the Eagles OT's ain't getting any younger.I think they can snag a decent WR in the second. Maybe they can trade up for Manningham.

 

[zadok]

My buddy keep talking about a WR in the first round, but I'll believe it when I see it. This first round is chock full of OT talent and the Eagles OT's ain't getting any younger.I think they can snag a decent WR in the second. Maybe they can trade up for Manningham.

Take that back! (I would take at least 6 WRs before Manningham)This is where I just completely disagree with the conventional wisdom. Let's say neither Thomas or Runyan are resigned in 09. Justice at LT, Gilles at LG and Herremanns at RT look fine to me. And that's the worst case. God forbid they target quality on the OLine from the 3rd round on...

 

[Domination]

1.19 Chris Williams, OT Vandy

2.19 Super Mario, WR, UM

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

My buddy keep talking about a WR in the first round, but I'll believe it when I see it. This first round is chock full of OT talent and the Eagles OT's ain't getting any younger.I think they can snag a decent WR in the second. Maybe they can trade up for Manningham.

Take that back! (I would take at least 6 WRs before Manningham)This is where I just completely disagree with the conventional wisdom. Let's say neither Thomas or Runyan are resigned in 09. Justice at LT, Gilles at LG and Herremanns at RT look fine to me. And that's the worst case. God forbid they target quality on the OLine from the 3rd round on...

Justice at LT? - Did you happen to catch the Giants game at the Meadowlands this year?

 

[zadok]

My buddy keep talking about a WR in the first round, but I'll believe it when I see it. This first round is chock full of OT talent and the Eagles OT's ain't getting any younger.I think they can snag a decent WR in the second. Maybe they can trade up for Manningham.

Take that back! (I would take at least 6 WRs before Manningham)This is where I just completely disagree with the conventional wisdom. Let's say neither Thomas or Runyan are resigned in 09. Justice at LT, Gilles at LG and Herremanns at RT look fine to me. And that's the worst case. God forbid they target quality on the OLine from the 3rd round on...

Justice at LT? - Did you happen to catch the game at the Giant game at the Meadowlands this year?

Osi is one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. While a terrible performance, it was his first career start. I thought he performed well other than that game.