** Official ** Eagles 2008 Thread (1 Viewer)

[renesauz]

BK...enough is enough. Most of us #5 supporters have already acknowledged that McNabb wasn't awesome today. He didn't pick the team up when we needed him to and carry us to the promised land.

alright, i'm done for now. We all deal with tragedies in our own ways. I lash out. Especially at choke artists...damn, sorry, i am going to try not to do that anymore. Lets see what the draft looks like and who is around on Feb 27 when FA starts. This truly was a complete team loss. I texted a friend in the 1st half and said "i didnt know a whole team could choke". You all know how i feel about 5. Hopefully the FO can make enough moves to cover his deficiencies.

But, you gotta admit, i can get some people riled up. Just point me to the nearest Cowgirls/Deadskins/Gnats message board when a little venom is needed.

As I've stated before, I firmly believe that your biggest problem is that you want/expect the QB to carry the team, instead of letting him be a part of the team. The QB you want (expect????) is so rare that you can count those QB's on one hand....for all of NFL history.McNabb is a good QB. He'll probably be a HOFer when it's all said and done, but he's not Unitas reborn. I can live with that.

It's a team game, and the team lost. Lewis dropped a decent deep ball. Curtis dropped the critical 4th and 10. The defense was all over the map, and forced ZERO turnovers in a game where we all expected at least a couple from them. OUr rookie safety attempted a shoulder-tackle at the 3 yard line on a critical 3rd down play, costing 4 points. Akers missed a relatively easy FG AND AND XP! Multiple defenders missed tackles they normally make.

Yep...there were 5 or 6 McNabb passes that were off target, and could have been big plays. The thing is...there are ALWAYS 5 or 6 McNabb passes like that. But the guy makes a lot of big plays. How many interceptions does he throw on these "bad passes? I mean...most QB's with accuracy problems throw a ton of picks, but not #5.

He escapes sacks other QB's wouldn't. He is capable of one of the sweetest (if not THE sweetest) deep balls in the NFL. It's his ability to buy time which has made it possible for AR and Co. to get away with sub-par receivers year after year. He wins games.

McNabb will never carry us to a championship. We agree there. BUT...he is more then good enough to win one with. He made enough plays to win yesterday, even if he left one or two on the field. You put waaaaaay too much at his feet.

 

[JuniorNB]

You guys are hysterical. McNabb has probably cost this team 2 or 3 Superbowls. He NEVER rises above anything. If the D plays average McNabb plays worse. He left 17 on the field in the first half and played awful. Just deal with it. Blame it on the D or whatever but McNabb had every chance to win it and didn't. Same stuff different year. Why do you get so upset when someone points out the obvious?

finally, a fellow voice of reason. there's a whole lot of blind lemmings in here though, Slider, watch your step

You can count me in this minority opinion. If you are an Eagles fan and have watched McNabb every week throughout his career, you will see the same pattern year after year. He'll win you plenty of games, no doubt. But when the big game is on the line, he comes up small. I don't care about his 19 point comeback in the second half. If he didn't play such an awful first half, the Eagles would have never been in such a deficit. People seem to trivialize the significance of the poor throws he made throughout the game, and they want to focus only on his nice overall stat line. I've posted this in other threads, McNabb doesn't seem to have it in him to put together a game winning drive. All the great QBs have shown that ability AT LEAST ONCE in a crucial game to put an exclamation point on their careers.So what's the alternative for next season? My feeling is... you drafted Kolb to be the future. Give the kid a full training camp and preseason and let's see what he can do. As a fan of this team, I'm willing to watch him go through some growing pains. It'll be LESS painful then watching this team get knocked out of the playoffs every year by teams they should beat.

I'm pretty sure that Eagles management has every intention of watching Kolb this preseason to see if he's ready (or ever going to be ready). If they feel he is, they might make the switch. To suggest that we consider a trip to the 'final four' a failure and cut bait and become a .500 or below team just-in-case we have a good one here, is silly. We know we have a guy right now who gives us as good a chance as any team in the league at winning the Super Bowl. If McNabb was 37 or 38, that would be different. You don't purposely go backwards just show taht you're fed-up with not winning it all.Maybe Kolb will look better than Mcnabb in the offseason/preseason. If he gives the eagles a better chance at winning it all, I'm 100% behind the move. Otherwise, it's a knee-jerk reaction that is destined to set the club back.The funny thing is, if Kolb was handed the job and Philly went 5-11, there'd be a lot of Eagles fans talking about how great the future looks. They just don't get it. There are teams in the NFL who have been trying for over a decade to give them a QB who even gives them a chance to make the playoffs. We get within 7 points of making the Super Bowl and our spoiled fans are crying. Ask one of teh other teams how much they'd give to be in the running year after year.

 

[Day Drinker]

You guys are hysterical. McNabb has probably cost this team 2 or 3 Superbowls. He NEVER rises above anything. If the D plays average McNabb plays worse. He left 17 on the field in the first half and played awful. Just deal with it. Blame it on the D or whatever but McNabb had every chance to win it and didn't. Same stuff different year. Why do you get so upset when someone points out the obvious?

finally, a fellow voice of reason. there's a whole lot of blind lemmings in here though, Slider, watch your step

You can count me in this minority opinion. If you are an Eagles fan and have watched McNabb every week throughout his career, you will see the same pattern year after year. He'll win you plenty of games, no doubt. But when the big game is on the line, he comes up small. I don't care about his 19 point comeback in the second half. If he didn't play such an awful first half, the Eagles would have never been in such a deficit. People seem to trivialize the significance of the poor throws he made throughout the game, and they want to focus only on his nice overall stat line. I've posted this in other threads, McNabb doesn't seem to have it in him to put together a game winning drive. All the great QBs have shown that ability AT LEAST ONCE in a crucial game to put an exclamation point on their careers.So what's the alternative for next season? My feeling is... you drafted Kolb to be the future. Give the kid a full training camp and preseason and let's see what he can do. As a fan of this team, I'm willing to watch him go through some growing pains. It'll be LESS painful then watching this team get knocked out of the playoffs every year by teams they should beat.

I'm pretty sure that Eagles management has every intention of watching Kolb this preseason to see if he's ready (or ever going to be ready). If they feel he is, they might make the switch. To suggest that we consider a trip to the 'final four' a failure and cut bait and become a .500 or below team just-in-case we have a good one here, is silly. We know we have a guy right now who gives us as good a chance as any team in the league at winning the Super Bowl. If McNabb was 37 or 38, that would be different. You don't purposely go backwards just show taht you're fed-up with not winning it all.Maybe Kolb will look better than Mcnabb in the offseason/preseason. If he gives the eagles a better chance at winning it all, I'm 100% behind the move. Otherwise, it's a knee-jerk reaction that is destined to set the club back.The funny thing is, if Kolb was handed the job and Philly went 5-11, there'd be a lot of Eagles fans talking about how great the future looks. They just don't get it. There are teams in the NFL who have been trying for over a decade to give them a QB who even gives them a chance to make the playoffs. We get within 7 points of making the Super Bowl and our spoiled fans are crying. Ask one of teh other teams how much they'd give to be in the running year after year.

GREAT Post!Eagle fans have such a jaded view because of all the success that McNabb and company have provided for you. He is a top level QB that wins games, stop taking that for granted, because it is HARD to win in the NFL, and you don't want to be on the ouside of the playoffs looking in because you feel your QB can't win the Big game.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

McNabb is who we thought he was!

He is a very good quarterback, top 10 in the league. Sadly for Eagles fans he lacks that special something to lead his team to a winning drive in the big game. There is plenty of evidence that shows how inaccurate he is and even more to show how inconsistent he is. Is he all to blame? Of course not, but when you pay a QB $9,000,000.00 a year you hope he is one of the elites that will lead you to a Championship.

I blame the Eagles brass a bit for knowing of his short comings and not putting a bit more talent around him over the years. They have lacked a red zone thread for most of McNabb's career and IMO thats a major flaw. You do not have to have a TO or Fitzgerald (thought its nice) but you do need a player that your QB knows can go get it.

So lets put the blame on McNabb that he surely does deserve, but dont forget to look a bit further up the ranks...

Freddie Mitchell instead of Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson or Chris Chambers

LJ Smith instead of Jason Witten

etc etc

 

[Tong Po]

You guys are hysterical. McNabb has probably cost this team 2 or 3 Superbowls. He NEVER rises above anything. If the D plays average McNabb plays worse. He left 17 on the field in the first half and played awful. Just deal with it. Blame it on the D or whatever but McNabb had every chance to win it and didn't. Same stuff different year. Why do you get so upset when someone points out the obvious?

finally, a fellow voice of reason. there's a whole lot of blind lemmings in here though, Slider, watch your step

You can count me in this minority opinion. If you are an Eagles fan and have watched McNabb every week throughout his career, you will see the same pattern year after year. He'll win you plenty of games, no doubt. But when the big game is on the line, he comes up small. I don't care about his 19 point comeback in the second half. If he didn't play such an awful first half, the Eagles would have never been in such a deficit. People seem to trivialize the significance of the poor throws he made throughout the game, and they want to focus only on his nice overall stat line. I've posted this in other threads, McNabb doesn't seem to have it in him to put together a game winning drive. All the great QBs have shown that ability AT LEAST ONCE in a crucial game to put an exclamation point on their careers.So what's the alternative for next season? My feeling is... you drafted Kolb to be the future. Give the kid a full training camp and preseason and let's see what he can do. As a fan of this team, I'm willing to watch him go through some growing pains. It'll be LESS painful then watching this team get knocked out of the playoffs every year by teams they should beat.

I'm pretty sure that Eagles management has every intention of watching Kolb this preseason to see if he's ready (or ever going to be ready). If they feel he is, they might make the switch. To suggest that we consider a trip to the 'final four' a failure and cut bait and become a .500 or below team just-in-case we have a good one here, is silly. We know we have a guy right now who gives us as good a chance as any team in the league at winning the Super Bowl. If McNabb was 37 or 38, that would be different. You don't purposely go backwards just show taht you're fed-up with not winning it all.Maybe Kolb will look better than Mcnabb in the offseason/preseason. If he gives the eagles a better chance at winning it all, I'm 100% behind the move. Otherwise, it's a knee-jerk reaction that is destined to set the club back.The funny thing is, if Kolb was handed the job and Philly went 5-11, there'd be a lot of Eagles fans talking about how great the future looks. They just don't get it. There are teams in the NFL who have been trying for over a decade to give them a QB who even gives them a chance to make the playoffs. We get within 7 points of making the Super Bowl and our spoiled fans are crying. Ask one of teh other teams how much they'd give to be in the running year after year.

Well I guess I'm different then. Because I have no confidence that McNabb can win a Superbowl for this team. And I am tired of just "competing" for one. And why do so many McNabb supporters think he is the only person who can lead this team to the promised land? Everyone thought the season was over a couple years ago, and we all watched a very average Jeff Garcia take this team to Round 2 of the playoffs. And why do McNabb supporters insist that going to a young QB will signal a huge step back for the franchise? I think the Ravens and Falcons showed us this year that a young QB with the right coaching, and good surrounding cast can step in and produce if called upon.Hey.... if McNabb is traded next year, goes to the Bears and leads them to a title, I'll be the first to come here and admit I was wrong. But I just think he has some kind of mental hang up. Some people just aren't good under pressure. Just don't think he's an "ice in the veins" kind of leader.

 

[JuniorNB]

You guys are hysterical. McNabb has probably cost this team 2 or 3 Superbowls. He NEVER rises above anything. If the D plays average McNabb plays worse. He left 17 on the field in the first half and played awful. Just deal with it. Blame it on the D or whatever but McNabb had every chance to win it and didn't. Same stuff different year. Why do you get so upset when someone points out the obvious?

finally, a fellow voice of reason. there's a whole lot of blind lemmings in here though, Slider, watch your step

You can count me in this minority opinion. If you are an Eagles fan and have watched McNabb every week throughout his career, you will see the same pattern year after year. He'll win you plenty of games, no doubt. But when the big game is on the line, he comes up small. I don't care about his 19 point comeback in the second half. If he didn't play such an awful first half, the Eagles would have never been in such a deficit. People seem to trivialize the significance of the poor throws he made throughout the game, and they want to focus only on his nice overall stat line. I've posted this in other threads, McNabb doesn't seem to have it in him to put together a game winning drive. All the great QBs have shown that ability AT LEAST ONCE in a crucial game to put an exclamation point on their careers.So what's the alternative for next season? My feeling is... you drafted Kolb to be the future. Give the kid a full training camp and preseason and let's see what he can do. As a fan of this team, I'm willing to watch him go through some growing pains. It'll be LESS painful then watching this team get knocked out of the playoffs every year by teams they should beat.

I'm pretty sure that Eagles management has every intention of watching Kolb this preseason to see if he's ready (or ever going to be ready). If they feel he is, they might make the switch. To suggest that we consider a trip to the 'final four' a failure and cut bait and become a .500 or below team just-in-case we have a good one here, is silly. We know we have a guy right now who gives us as good a chance as any team in the league at winning the Super Bowl. If McNabb was 37 or 38, that would be different. You don't purposely go backwards just show taht you're fed-up with not winning it all.Maybe Kolb will look better than Mcnabb in the offseason/preseason. If he gives the eagles a better chance at winning it all, I'm 100% behind the move. Otherwise, it's a knee-jerk reaction that is destined to set the club back.

The funny thing is, if Kolb was handed the job and Philly went 5-11, there'd be a lot of Eagles fans talking about how great the future looks. They just don't get it. There are teams in the NFL who have been trying for over a decade to give them a QB who even gives them a chance to make the playoffs. We get within 7 points of making the Super Bowl and our spoiled fans are crying. Ask one of teh other teams how much they'd give to be in the running year after year.

Well I guess I'm different then. Because I have no confidence that McNabb can win a Superbowl for this team.

Really? After McNabb's pass to Jackson to complete the comeback and put them into the lead, they were a defensive stop away from getting to the Super Bowl against a team they had already beaten earlier in the year. That's not to say they would have beaten Pittsburgh this time around, but you would have had your team sitting there ready to play for it all. To imply that McNabb can't win a Super Bowl, yet a Kevin Kolb could, is silly. As I said many, many times, if you can upgrade at QB, you do it. I'd take Brees or Rivers any day of the week. Even an 'almost there' guy like Cutler, but I'm not going into rebuilding mode because I'm having a hissy fit over finishing in the final four. I honestly can't think of one person who predicted Philly would get that far, yet everyone's suddenly acting like this was a big disappointment. Maybe we really do need two losing seasons in a row to get some perspective.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

BK...enough is enough. Most of us #5 supporters have already acknowledged that McNabb wasn't awesome today. He didn't pick the team up when we needed him to and carry us to the promised land.

alright, i'm done for now. We all deal with tragedies in our own ways. I lash out. Especially at choke artists...damn, sorry, i am going to try not to do that anymore. Lets see what the draft looks like and who is around on Feb 27 when FA starts. This truly was a complete team loss. I texted a friend in the 1st half and said "i didnt know a whole team could choke". You all know how i feel about 5. Hopefully the FO can make enough moves to cover his deficiencies.

But, you gotta admit, i can get some people riled up. Just point me to the nearest Cowgirls/Deadskins/Gnats message board when a little venom is needed.

As I've stated before, I firmly believe that your biggest problem is that you want/expect the QB to carry the team, instead of letting him be a part of the team. The QB you want (expect????) is so rare that you can count those QB's on one hand....for all of NFL history.McNabb is a good QB. He'll probably be a HOFer when it's all said and done, but he's not Unitas reborn. I can live with that.

It's a team game, and the team lost. Lewis dropped a decent deep ball. Curtis dropped the critical 4th and 10. The defense was all over the map, and forced ZERO turnovers in a game where we all expected at least a couple from them. OUr rookie safety attempted a shoulder-tackle at the 3 yard line on a critical 3rd down play, costing 4 points. Akers missed a relatively easy FG AND AND XP! Multiple defenders missed tackles they normally make.

Yep...there were 5 or 6 McNabb passes that were off target, and could have been big plays. The thing is...there are ALWAYS 5 or 6 McNabb passes like that. But the guy makes a lot of big plays. How many interceptions does he throw on these "bad passes? I mean...most QB's with accuracy problems throw a ton of picks, but not #5.

He escapes sacks other QB's wouldn't. He is capable of one of the sweetest (if not THE sweetest) deep balls in the NFL. It's his ability to buy time which has made it possible for AR and Co. to get away with sub-par receivers year after year. He wins games.

McNabb will never carry us to a championship. We agree there. BUT...he is more then good enough to win one with. He made enough plays to win yesterday, even if he left one or two on the field. You put waaaaaay too much at his feet.

Thats fair. I agree there aren't too many Brady's or Elways or Montana's out there to be had. But, on the other hand, Reid and Co have put this on McNabbs shoulders. By running a very complex offense, by not going out and getting a legit #1 WR, by not having a real FB, and by throwing the ball at a 2:1 ratio. They have essentially said "McNabb is the rarest of the rare in terms of QBs". Yet, he has proven repeatedly otherwiseSo, if the organization and coaching staff put the burden of winning on their QB, then i think we should too as fans.

Look, i'd like to leave this alone for now and focus on the offseason (i.e. FA, draft, OTAs, camp, etc). Everyone knows how i feel and there is no point going in circles. I'm willing to let this go for now, but i will respond to attacks on, or criticism about, my POV.

 

[Tong Po]

You guys are hysterical. McNabb has probably cost this team 2 or 3 Superbowls. He NEVER rises above anything. If the D plays average McNabb plays worse. He left 17 on the field in the first half and played awful. Just deal with it. Blame it on the D or whatever but McNabb had every chance to win it and didn't. Same stuff different year. Why do you get so upset when someone points out the obvious?

finally, a fellow voice of reason. there's a whole lot of blind lemmings in here though, Slider, watch your step

You can count me in this minority opinion. If you are an Eagles fan and have watched McNabb every week throughout his career, you will see the same pattern year after year. He'll win you plenty of games, no doubt. But when the big game is on the line, he comes up small. I don't care about his 19 point comeback in the second half. If he didn't play such an awful first half, the Eagles would have never been in such a deficit. People seem to trivialize the significance of the poor throws he made throughout the game, and they want to focus only on his nice overall stat line. I've posted this in other threads, McNabb doesn't seem to have it in him to put together a game winning drive. All the great QBs have shown that ability AT LEAST ONCE in a crucial game to put an exclamation point on their careers.So what's the alternative for next season? My feeling is... you drafted Kolb to be the future. Give the kid a full training camp and preseason and let's see what he can do. As a fan of this team, I'm willing to watch him go through some growing pains. It'll be LESS painful then watching this team get knocked out of the playoffs every year by teams they should beat.

I'm pretty sure that Eagles management has every intention of watching Kolb this preseason to see if he's ready (or ever going to be ready). If they feel he is, they might make the switch. To suggest that we consider a trip to the 'final four' a failure and cut bait and become a .500 or below team just-in-case we have a good one here, is silly. We know we have a guy right now who gives us as good a chance as any team in the league at winning the Super Bowl. If McNabb was 37 or 38, that would be different. You don't purposely go backwards just show taht you're fed-up with not winning it all.Maybe Kolb will look better than Mcnabb in the offseason/preseason. If he gives the eagles a better chance at winning it all, I'm 100% behind the move. Otherwise, it's a knee-jerk reaction that is destined to set the club back.

The funny thing is, if Kolb was handed the job and Philly went 5-11, there'd be a lot of Eagles fans talking about how great the future looks. They just don't get it. There are teams in the NFL who have been trying for over a decade to give them a QB who even gives them a chance to make the playoffs. We get within 7 points of making the Super Bowl and our spoiled fans are crying. Ask one of teh other teams how much they'd give to be in the running year after year.

Well I guess I'm different then. Because I have no confidence that McNabb can win a Superbowl for this team.

Really? After McNabb's pass to Jackson to complete the comeback and put them into the lead, they were a defensive stop away from getting to the Super Bowl against a team they had already beaten earlier in the year. That's not to say they would have beaten Pittsburgh this time around, but you would have had your team sitting there ready to play for it all. To imply that McNabb can't win a Super Bowl, yet a Kevin Kolb could, is silly. As I said many, many times, if you can upgrade at QB, you do it. I'd take Brees or Rivers any day of the week. Even an 'almost there' guy like Cutler, but I'm not going into rebuilding mode because I'm having a hissy fit over finishing in the final four. I honestly can't think of one person who predicted Philly would get that far, yet everyone's suddenly acting like this was a big disappointment. Maybe we really do need two losing seasons in a row to get some perspective.

Yeah... it's always something when telling the story of another disappointing end to a season. This year, we were a defensive stop away. Or... if only Curtis would have made that "easy" 4th down catch. Why can't we ever talk about how McNabb was just awesome in that NFC Championship. Or how McNabb gutted out a victory? Because HE JUST DOESN'T DO IT. He just has this air about him that winning and losing don't really matter. And it's frustrating to watch. I've been waiting for 10 freakin' years to watch McNabb grab the bull by the horns and rally this team to a WIN at the end of a big game. Don't try to always force a throw!!!! Tuck the ball in and run for those 10 yards!!! It's little things about his 2 minute offensive game that drive me nuts. And I never implied that Kolb gives you a better chance to win a SB next season or even the season after. But you don't know until you give him a chance to lead this team. I can almost guarantee you'll fee a more fiery personality. And I'll take that for now.

 

[renesauz]

Thats fair. I agree there aren't too many Brady's or Elways or Montana's out there to be had. But, on the other hand, Reid and Co have put this on McNabbs shoulders. By running a very complex offense, by not going out and getting a legit #1 WR, by not having a real FB, and by throwing the ball at a 2:1 ratio. They have essentially said "McNabb is the rarest of the rare in terms of QBs". Yet, he has proven repeatedly otherwise

So, if the organization and coaching staff put the burden of winning on their QB, then i think we should too as fans.

Look, i'd like to leave this alone for now and focus on the offseason (i.e. FA, draft, OTAs, camp, etc). Everyone knows how i feel and there is no point going in circles. I'm willing to let this go for now, but i will respond to attacks on, or criticism about, my POV.

This is a fair response. In fact, it's actually a pretty good one. But I think it points to a different problem...WHY has AR and his philosophy put it so squarely on the QB?Maybe that's what we should be asking instead of bickering over #5??????

 

[dotman]

Thats fair. I agree there aren't too many Brady's or Elways or Montana's out there to be had. But, on the other hand, Reid and Co have put this on McNabbs shoulders. By running a very complex offense, by not going out and getting a legit #1 WR, by not having a real FB, and by throwing the ball at a 2:1 ratio. They have essentially said "McNabb is the rarest of the rare in terms of QBs". Yet, he has proven repeatedly otherwise

So, if the organization and coaching staff put the burden of winning on their QB, then i think we should too as fans.

Look, i'd like to leave this alone for now and focus on the offseason (i.e. FA, draft, OTAs, camp, etc). Everyone knows how i feel and there is no point going in circles. I'm willing to let this go for now, but i will respond to attacks on, or criticism about, my POV.

This is a fair response. In fact, it's actually a pretty good one. But I think it points to a different problem...WHY has AR and his philosophy put it so squarely on the QB?Maybe that's what we should be asking instead of bickering over #5??????

In the earlier NFC championship games, the Eagles running game was sound, but that crappy WR's held the offense back. (remember having Duce, Buck, and Westy?). Then we had a stud #1WR and we all know where that got us. Now the WR's are at least serviceable, but the Eagles can't run the ball well enough. It could be because Westy was hurt, or the line was hurt, or they just need another RB, but it definitely needs to be addressed.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Thats fair. I agree there aren't too many Brady's or Elways or Montana's out there to be had. But, on the other hand, Reid and Co have put this on McNabbs shoulders. By running a very complex offense, by not going out and getting a legit #1 WR, by not having a real FB, and by throwing the ball at a 2:1 ratio. They have essentially said "McNabb is the rarest of the rare in terms of QBs". Yet, he has proven repeatedly otherwise

So, if the organization and coaching staff put the burden of winning on their QB, then i think we should too as fans.

Look, i'd like to leave this alone for now and focus on the offseason (i.e. FA, draft, OTAs, camp, etc). Everyone knows how i feel and there is no point going in circles. I'm willing to let this go for now, but i will respond to attacks on, or criticism about, my POV.

This is a fair response. In fact, it's actually a pretty good one. But I think it points to a different problem...WHY has AR and his philosophy put it so squarely on the QB?Maybe that's what we should be asking instead of bickering over #5??????

i imagine we'll never know...unless DH can give us some inside scoop.My guess/opinion (cause you know i'd have one): Reid and Co knew that having an elite QB meant years of success and most likely a SB ring or two. So, they take McNabb, see his potential, and are then wow'd by his performance early in his career. They decide somewhere in yr 2 or 3 that he is the one. He is Montana, he is Elway, he is Favre. From that point on, they build the team relying on McNabb to carry them to the promised land, all while making Lurie as much $$$ as possible. And now they are either too proud to admit they were wrong, or still have 100% faith in him as an ultra-elite QB. its almost as if by goign out and getting a stud WR now, they admit they were wrong all along.

who knows really though as that is all speculation. should be an interesting off season nonetheless

ETA: Maybe the game has changed so much in the past 10 years that 1 elite QB just cannot put the team on his shoulders anymore. With increasingly complex Defenses, amazing athletes on D, and a long drawn out season, maybe the era of the ultra dominant QB is over. Heck, even Peyton Manning has looked mortal the past few years

 

[Billy Bats]

Does anything change at all this offseason?

 

[renesauz]

ETA: Maybe the game has changed so much in the past 10 years that 1 elite QB just cannot put the team on his shoulders anymore. With increasingly complex Defenses, amazing athletes on D, and a long drawn out season, maybe the era of the ultra dominant QB is over. Heck, even Peyton Manning has looked mortal the past few years

I've been thinking this for ten years now. It's a team game. Fans and the media put waaaaaaaay too much of a team's success or failure at the QB's feet. Dilfer won a Super-Bowl for God's sake.Elway couldn't win until he got a supportive running game.Peyton Manning couldn't win until he got some semblance of a defense on the team.Marino never could win.Big Ben was terrible in his team's SB win...but still get's the credit.Even the biggest bashers of McNabb will generally admit that he's at least above average. And above average is more then good enough to win a SB with. Let's worry about the rest of the team.

 

[Billy Bats]

ETA: Maybe the game has changed so much in the past 10 years that 1 elite QB just cannot put the team on his shoulders anymore. With increasingly complex Defenses, amazing athletes on D, and a long drawn out season, maybe the era of the ultra dominant QB is over. Heck, even Peyton Manning has looked mortal the past few years

I've been thinking this for ten years now. It's a team game. Fans and the media put waaaaaaaay too much of a team's success or failure at the QB's feet. Dilfer won a Super-Bowl for God's sake.Elway couldn't win until he got a supportive running game.Peyton Manning couldn't win until he got some semblance of a defense on the team.Marino never could win.Big Ben was terrible in his team's SB win...but still get's the credit.Even the biggest bashers of McNabb will generally admit that he's at least above average. And above average is more then good enough to win a SB with. Let's worry about the rest of the team.

Well there's a big problem when Greg Lewis is playing and Reggie Brown is in street clothes. Does Brown suck that bad, or is Lewis that valuable on special teams?? Give me a break, he sucks and he should not be running routes in the CCG. Personnel decisions are a big problem around here, when will Reid be held responsible?

 

[mudshark]

ETA: Maybe the game has changed so much in the past 10 years that 1 elite QB just cannot put the team on his shoulders anymore. With increasingly complex Defenses, amazing athletes on D, and a long drawn out season, maybe the era of the ultra dominant QB is over. Heck, even Peyton Manning has looked mortal the past few years

I've been thinking this for ten years now. It's a team game. Fans and the media put waaaaaaaay too much of a team's success or failure at the QB's feet. Dilfer won a Super-Bowl for God's sake.Elway couldn't win until he got a supportive running game.Peyton Manning couldn't win until he got some semblance of a defense on the team.Marino never could win.Big Ben was terrible in his team's SB win...but still get's the credit.Even the biggest bashers of McNabb will generally admit that he's at least above average. And above average is more then good enough to win a SB with. Let's worry about the rest of the team.

Well there's a big problem when Greg Lewis is playing and Reggie Brown is in street clothes. Does Brown suck that bad, or is Lewis that valuable on special teams?? Give me a break, he sucks and he should not be running routes in the CCG. Personnel decisions are a big problem around here, when will Reid be held responsible?

Exactly. Here's a 2nd round pick that got a contract extension and he's on the sideline in street clothes playing behind Greg Lewis. How about trading the 4th round pick for LBooker? Or trading up in the 2nd round to take a QB that was projected to be a 4th and now they're not sure if they want to give him a shot. Franchise LJ Smith when it appears a better TE was already on the team. How about having a former Pro Bowl CB that can't even get in a game.Yes, the talent evaluation has not been stellar. And maybe, just maybe this team can keep their 1st round picks this year.I want to see McNabb and Andy stay. But I also want to see some organizational changes and improve the talent and perhaps the in-game coaching.

 

[thriftyrocker]

What is the wish list for Eagles fans then?

1) possession WR (Boldin, Chad)

2) TE (Pettigrew, Gonzo)

3) big back to compliment Westbrook (Greene, Jennings)

4) successors to OTs

5) successor to Dawkins

6) DE

 

[renesauz]

What is the wish list for Eagles fans then?1) possession WR (Boldin, Chad)2) TE (Pettigrew, Gonzo)3) big back to compliment Westbrook (Greene, Jennings)4) successors to OTs5) successor to Dawkins6) DE

Your list is not in order:4) OT: This is the biggest off-season need.3) We need another RB. One with starting potential.5) Someone at safety. Maybe it's the rookie Demps, but I doubt it.2) We need depth for sure. BUT, It looks like we may already have a solid starter in Celek, so this is low priority.1) This is a wish more then a true need now. We have a playmaker in peanut, even if he's probably not a true #1.6) I like what we have right now at DE...not sure how this can be called a need.