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awesomeness
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what you know about him?Jebus, another development project. Mike Gibson.....G.... ugh.four more picks in the next 20....
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
TSNawesomeness said:what you know about him?Jeff Pasquino said:Jebus, another development project. Mike Gibson.....G.... ugh.renesauz said:four more picks in the next 20....
roductive T in college. Sold pass-blocking. Good experience in PAC 10, could get a shot at RT.However, his lack of ideal helight and arm length make him a candidate to move inside. He should become a solid starter after getting 1-2 season sunder his belt.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Woo hoo - a 2009 5th for a 2008 6th.
How many months until camp opens? This is painful.
How many months until camp opens? This is painful.
Come on Jeff...Weren't you one of the guys complaining how these guys here have no shot to make the roster anyway?Why is it people keep talking about players that can help now but if they could help now they wouldn't be there in the 2nd 3rd or 4th round they would be top picks. I know that sometimes a player like Colston comes out but nobody knows if it's going to happen if they did Colston would have went round 1. I keep hearing people talk but what player in the 2nd round or later is going to help this year more then Laws and Jackson. I know somebody is going to mention Kelly, Thomas or some other overrated Wr but in this offense it takes time for a Wr and NO Wr will help this team more then a return man would this year. I heard the question asked twice already so instead of gripes I would still like to know the players that helps now more then Jackson and any player after round 3 or later that helps this year. I'm not saying I like every pick but I dislike the player because I don't think he is all that good not because he won't help this year. And when we are ripping 6th rounders because they are project just has me baffled but I guess thats why Eagles fans continue to get ripped about knowledge. It's starting to sound like a WIP show in here except for a few people who understand how a draft works.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'd probably be happier if they packaged every pick left for a round higher next year. Better to have four or five 5th rounders that can be tools to move up next year; since none of these guys are going to make the roster anyway.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Yes I was - and I'm glad to not be there right now. I'm bored right now as it is and these picks are a waste of most everyone's time - unless we pick 5 WRs in a buckshot approach move.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Two WRs please. Just try it.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Day 2 = :X 
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awesomeness
Guest
I don't like how the Eagles FO likes DIV II LB's so much.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Joe Mays - not even in my guide.....
Of 425+ players.
Of 425+ players.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Don't feel bad, he wasn't on ESPN Insider's guide either.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Nor is Andrew Studebaker, DE, Wheaton.Make it stop, please.....
eye-popping stats though......
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awesomeness
Guest
ETA: This Studebaker kid showed up on NFL tracker as a LB, but by the sounds of things he's a DE, makes me feel a little better.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
One pick left.
I'd love a WR, but I think Philly takes a kicker.
Yes, a kicker.
Jeremy Ito, Rutgers.
Perfect end to this day.
I'd love a WR, but I think Philly takes a kicker.
Yes, a kicker.
Jeremy Ito, Rutgers.
Perfect end to this day.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Jason,I think you really went into this draft with unrealistic expectations. I have seen posts from you about the 12 picks they had feeling that they were going to be big movers and shakers in this draft.I kept trying to tell you that 4 of those picks were compensatory picks in the 6th round or later that couldnt be moved.Trevor Laws will immediately become part of a nice 3 man DT rotation with Patterson and Bunkley.Desean Jackson is the returner you desparately need and is a much more explosive receiver than Avant, Baskett or any other non starting receiver on that roster. They got both of the above players and added a #1 for next year. Excellent first couple of rounds for the Eagles.I dont understand the 3rd round pick because I know nothing about that kid.Mike McGlynn in the 4th round is an excellent pick.I really like Quentin Demps in the 4th. I think he is already better than Sean Considine. The rest of the draft is probably meh for them but that was your problem in the first place thinking that the Eagles were going to get anything of substance after the 4th round.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Clearly I, and a great many other fans, had unreasonable expectations. Doesn't make it feel any better.Incomplete offseason unless we pull a rabbit out of our Lito-hat.
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awesomeness
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Another OT, by the name of King Dunlap out of Auburn.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
That's a steal.TSN has him at #6, between Otah and Cherilus.
Slider
Footballguy
He was a 1st round prospect when the season started. Something went wrong... Nice pick if he gets it together.
Slider
Footballguy
Sounds like your guide needs some work...
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
ok, stop right there...NEVER...EVER...mention he-who-should-not-be-mentioned EVER AGAIN (that being SC, the worst safety in the history of the pro game). I'd like to forget that he ever existed, let alone put on Eagle green.Other than that, you're spot on. Not living in Philly has been the been thing that could've happened to my support of the Eagles. I dont have to listen the WIP gang anymore. No need to get whipped into a frenzy by every local news station over some meaningless soap opera drama. And i can actually step back and enjoy the success of the past ~6-8 years, even if it didnt win a championship.The Eagles special teams was AWFUL last year, probably one of the worst in the league, if not the worst. The fact that AR is finally focusing on this unit is a big step IMO. Yeah, i would've liked to ave seen a blockbuster Lito-WR trade. Without that, i dont see a need to swing and miss on yet another over-hyped WR. The eagles will obviously be focused on playing field position, stifling D, and using the weapons they do have on O - A healthy #5, Westy, Curtis to an extent, and either the new kid, DJ or Booker.Washington and NYG can draft all the WRs they want. If the Eagles have Lito, Brown, and Asante playing CB, no team will present a matchup problem
Domination
Footballguy
This is a statement that I have a hard time believing. Do you really believe that there wasn't anyone in this draft that would have improved on Gocong or Considine? Start with Considine, I am pretty sure that Kenny Phillips would have been an instant upgrade on him. His stock only fell due to the entire Miami team sucking. Next for Gocong, you could probably put a monkey in pads and it would be an improvement. Dan Conner is a real LB, that has incredible instincts. He cold have come in and made an immediate impact. Another guy is Shawn Crable, I think he will have a great career and to no ones surprise was taken by the Patriots.(a team that wants to win NOW)This is just a few examples of guys that could have made an instant impact. The funny thing is that they wouldn't have to be taken at 1.19. Although they would have needed to trade back into the first in front of the Giants.Jeff Pasquino said:
They seem unwilling to trade up to get who they want. It seems ok to them to just wait and see if their guy is there, and if not then trade back. 
Slider
Footballguy
That's pure speculation. You have no clue who will step in and start.This is a statement that I have a hard time believing. Do you really believe that there wasn't anyone in this draft that would have improved on Gocong or Considine? Start with Considine, I am pretty sure that Kenny Phillips would have been an instant upgrade on him. His stock only fell due to the entire Miami team sucking. Next for Gocong, you could probably put a monkey in pads and it would be an improvement. Dan Conner is a real LB, that has incredible instincts. He cold have come in and made an immediate impact. Another guy is Shawn Crable, I think he will have a great career and to no ones surprise was taken by the Patriots.(a team that wants to win NOW)This is just a few examples of guys that could have made an instant impact. The funny thing is that they wouldn't have to be taken at 1.19. Although they would have needed to trade back into the first in front of the Giants.Jeff Pasquino said:
Domination
Footballguy
Its all speculation, but the fact is that the players that I have named as well as others are more talented that the ones that we have.That's pure speculation. You have no clue who will step in and start.This is a statement that I have a hard time believing. Do you really believe that there wasn't anyone in this draft that would have improved on Gocong or Considine? Start with Considine, I am pretty sure that Kenny Phillips would have been an instant upgrade on him. His stock only fell due to the entire Miami team sucking. Next for Gocong, you could probably put a monkey in pads and it would be an improvement. Dan Conner is a real LB, that has incredible instincts. He cold have come in and made an immediate impact. Another guy is Shawn Crable, I think he will have a great career and to no ones surprise was taken by the Patriots.(a team that wants to win NOW)This is just a few examples of guys that could have made an instant impact. The funny thing is that they wouldn't have to be taken at 1.19. Although they would have needed to trade back into the first in front of the Giants.Jeff Pasquino said:
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Constipated is not a starting safety any more. They finally came to their senses and Mikell is the starter, and a pretty good one.This is a statement that I have a hard time believing. Do you really believe that there wasn't anyone in this draft that would have improved on Gocong or Considine? Start with Considine, I am pretty sure that Kenny Phillips would have been an instant upgrade on him. His stock only fell due to the entire Miami team sucking. Next for Gocong, you could probably put a monkey in pads and it would be an improvement. Dan Conner is a real LB, that has incredible instincts. He cold have come in and made an immediate impact. Another guy is Shawn Crable, I think he will have a great career and to no ones surprise was taken by the Patriots.(a team that wants to win NOW)This is just a few examples of guys that could have made an instant impact. The funny thing is that they wouldn't have to be taken at 1.19. Although they would have needed to trade back into the first in front of the Giants.Jeff Pasquino said:They seem unwilling to trade up to get who they want. It seems ok to them to just wait and see if their guy is there, and if not then trade back.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I don't necessarily agree.The front 4 are set with Cole and company rotating on the ends and the LBs aren't going to be trumped (Stewart, Gocong and Bradley).Its all speculation, but the fact is that the players that I have named as well as others are more talented that the ones that we have.That's pure speculation. You have no clue who will step in and start.This is a statement that I have a hard time believing. Do you really believe that there wasn't anyone in this draft that would have improved on Gocong or Considine? Start with Considine, I am pretty sure that Kenny Phillips would have been an instant upgrade on him. His stock only fell due to the entire Miami team sucking. Next for Gocong, you could probably put a monkey in pads and it would be an improvement. Dan Conner is a real LB, that has incredible instincts. He cold have come in and made an immediate impact. Another guy is Shawn Crable, I think he will have a great career and to no ones surprise was taken by the Patriots.(a team that wants to win NOW)This is just a few examples of guys that could have made an instant impact. The funny thing is that they wouldn't have to be taken at 1.19. Although they would have needed to trade back into the first in front of the Giants.Jeff Pasquino said:
Looks like I need to get Bob to fix the depth chart - Mikell is the starting safety.
No rookies would start on the OL, LJ is the TE, no rookie starts at WR, and Westy and McNabb are your starters.
So again, what rookies would start and where?
ETA - A Top 5 guy like Long or Dorsey I could see starting on defense - but that's about it. Seriously.
And Dan Connor is overrated.
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Domination
Footballguy
After listening to you, I would think that they just won the SB and that the Defense and LBs especially were the '85 Bears. The LBs are among the worst starting group in the entire league, and the rest of the defense could definitely be improved.I don't necessarily agree.The front 4 are set with Cole and company rotating on the ends and the LBs aren't going to be trumped (Stewart, Gocong and Bradley).Its all speculation, but the fact is that the players that I have named as well as others are more talented that the ones that we have.That's pure speculation. You have no clue who will step in and start.This is a statement that I have a hard time believing. Do you really believe that there wasn't anyone in this draft that would have improved on Gocong or Considine? Start with Considine, I am pretty sure that Kenny Phillips would have been an instant upgrade on him. His stock only fell due to the entire Miami team sucking. Next for Gocong, you could probably put a monkey in pads and it would be an improvement. Dan Conner is a real LB, that has incredible instincts. He cold have come in and made an immediate impact. Another guy is Shawn Crable, I think he will have a great career and to no ones surprise was taken by the Patriots.(a team that wants to win NOW)This is just a few examples of guys that could have made an instant impact. The funny thing is that they wouldn't have to be taken at 1.19. Although they would have needed to trade back into the first in front of the Giants.Jeff Pasquino said:They seem unwilling to trade up to get who they want. It seems ok to them to just wait and see if their guy is there, and if not then trade back.
Looks like I need to get Bob to fix the depth chart - Mikell is the starting safety.
No rookies would start on the OL, LJ is the TE, no rookie starts at WR, and Westy and McNabb are your starters.
So again, what rookies would start and where?
ETA - A Top 5 guy like Long or Dorsey I could see starting on defense - but that's about it. Seriously.
And Dan Connor is overratedconsistant.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.I'm a realistic Eagles fan. I know that there is room for improvement at every position.After listening to you, I would think that they just won the SB and that the Defense and LBs especially were the '85 Bears. The LBs are among the worst starting group in the entire league, and the rest of the defense could definitely be improved.I don't necessarily agree.The front 4 are set with Cole and company rotating on the ends and the LBs aren't going to be trumped (Stewart, Gocong and Bradley).Its all speculation, but the fact is that the players that I have named as well as others are more talented that the ones that we have.That's pure speculation. You have no clue who will step in and start.This is a statement that I have a hard time believing. Do you really believe that there wasn't anyone in this draft that would have improved on Gocong or Considine? Start with Considine, I am pretty sure that Kenny Phillips would have been an instant upgrade on him. His stock only fell due to the entire Miami team sucking. Next for Gocong, you could probably put a monkey in pads and it would be an improvement. Dan Conner is a real LB, that has incredible instincts. He cold have come in and made an immediate impact. Another guy is Shawn Crable, I think he will have a great career and to no ones surprise was taken by the Patriots.(a team that wants to win NOW)This is just a few examples of guys that could have made an instant impact. The funny thing is that they wouldn't have to be taken at 1.19. Although they would have needed to trade back into the first in front of the Giants.Jeff Pasquino said:
Looks like I need to get Bob to fix the depth chart - Mikell is the starting safety.
No rookies would start on the OL, LJ is the TE, no rookie starts at WR, and Westy and McNabb are your starters.
So again, what rookies would start and where?
ETA - A Top 5 guy like Long or Dorsey I could see starting on defense - but that's about it. Seriously.
And Dan Connor is overratedconsistant.
However, there is no rookie WR, TE or LB that I saw that would come into Philly and start Week 1. Just wouldn't happen.
That's not to say that if we had DeMeco Ryans he wouldn't start. That's a different statement. Similarly, there's about 30 other WRs that could easily start for the Eagles as well - same thing about 10 or more TEs.
Rookies have 3 strikes against them - shortened learning curve (May-Sept), complicated systems, and veterans in front of them. That's on top of not being used to playing 20 weeks, but that's a different story.
But to speak to the LBs, I think you're way understimating the LB crew. The Eagles actually have a good core group with Gocong, Gaither and Bradley. It's just the names that aren't well-known yet.
They are at least average, and I'd say for the first time in a long time that LB is a defensive strength.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
JP thanks for posting.
I honestly have no idea how any reasonable Eagles fan could not be happy with this draft. The fact that they have two first round picks next year (one could quite possibly be a top 10 pick) and still got the only WR in the draft that will absolutely impact their team from day one is fantastic IMO. Like it or not we needed a DT and we got a big one. Sorry but there is no great depth at the DT position as previously posted and its possible that we now have a pretty decent rotation.
Who knows what June 1st will bring, but as of right now I think the Eagles are much better today then they were on Friday.
I honestly have no idea how any reasonable Eagles fan could not be happy with this draft. The fact that they have two first round picks next year (one could quite possibly be a top 10 pick) and still got the only WR in the draft that will absolutely impact their team from day one is fantastic IMO. Like it or not we needed a DT and we got a big one. Sorry but there is no great depth at the DT position as previously posted and its possible that we now have a pretty decent rotation.
Who knows what June 1st will bring, but as of right now I think the Eagles are much better today then they were on Friday.
Slider
Footballguy
Steal of the draft.
phillyfan72
Footballguy
The Birds come out of the draft with DJ, Laws, Demps, McGlynn who should contribute / add depth. They get Lorenzo Booker for ST depth. As pointed out by JP, they did not have any starter openings this year, and they added a few good quality players, as well as adding a 1st round pick next year. The rest of the picks were probably like throwing darts at a dartboard, pick some projects and see who sticks. Anyone who expected anything more from this draft is being unrealistic. I don't have a problem at all with Lito still being on the team. Samuel/Lito/Brown/Dawk would be one hell of a secondary if that is what they're going to do.VerticalVike
Footballguy
I have watched Mays play for the last couple of years on one of the top Div 1AA teams in the country. He was the leader of the defensive team and from what I understand his shortcoming is his height. I think you may be pleasantly suprised come training camp.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Yeah, the Draftguys blog has some info on him.We actually got some good OL people from what I'm hearing. Never sexy, but nice when the OL works.
I still really question the availability of roster spots for everyone.
Please, please bring in an UDFA WR like the kid from Oklahoma - Adarius Bowman.
Big size and good Red Zone target.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I really like what the Eagles have done in the draft. However, the mindset that the Eagles are so loaded that they dont have any starter openings is a mindset that has developed because Andy Reid doesnt play his rookies.1. Jamaal Jackson took a step back last year. He is an average center.The Birds come out of the draft with DJ, Laws, Demps, McGlynn who should contribute / add depth. They get Lorenzo Booker for ST depth. As pointed out by JP, they did not have any starter openings this year, and they added a few good quality players, as well as adding a 1st round pick next year. The rest of the picks were probably like throwing darts at a dartboard, pick some projects and see who sticks.
Anyone who expected anything more from this draft is being unrealistic. I don't have a problem at all with Lito still being on the team. Samuel/Lito/Brown/Dawk would be one hell of a secondary if that is what they're going to do.
2. Herremens did not have a very good year at guard last year. I think he is below average and would expect Jean-Gillis to take his position unless he is another wasted draft pick. This should be the year Jean-Gillis breaks the starting lineup.
3. Fred Davis and John Carlson and probably some others are better TE's than LJ Smith.
4. I think the #3 WR spot is weak with Avant. I think DJ is much better than Avant if you consider that a starting position.
5. I like the DLine.
6. The LB crew is young and unaccomplished. Jared Mayo and Curtis Lofton are both better than anybody you currently have. (I know you werent in position to get Mayo).
7. Best set of CB's in the league (If Pacman is reinstated, Dallas is very close. Newman, Pacman and Mike Jenkins)
8. Kenny Phillips is better than Quentin Mikell.
There were a number of players, IMO, that the Eagles could have drafted to compete for starting positions.
The Patriots are loaded, right?
They drafted a starting ILB, a CB to compete for a starting position, and a rotational OLB that will play quite a bit. Do you think the Patriots had more holes to fill on their team than the Eagles?
Ignatius Reilly
Footballguy
LB's worst in the league? Bradley, Gocong and Gaither?? The 2007 Eagles your talking about right? Had you said this after the '06 season I would be on board with you. But this group can play, I like all of there upside actuallyWhat are you from Philly guys expecting? Stop listening to WIP, they know NOTHING, why subject yourself to hours of negative speak eveyday. Aside from Reid's insistance that 220 DE's who are apparenly quick are suitable to play in this league just not neccesarily at DE- what would you like for them to do. They plugged in another piece on there DT rotation, and added the first legitmate KR/PR since umm EVER!!!! - and in the process added a #1 pick on a team that as long as they have no QB could potetnially be a top 10-15 pick in 09.After listening to you, I would think that they just won the SB and that the Defense and LBs especially were the '85 Bears. The LBs are among the worst starting group in the entire league, and the rest of the defense could definitely be improved.I don't necessarily agree.The front 4 are set with Cole and company rotating on the ends and the LBs aren't going to be trumped (Stewart, Gocong and Bradley).Its all speculation, but the fact is that the players that I have named as well as others are more talented that the ones that we have.That's pure speculation. You have no clue who will step in and start.This is a statement that I have a hard time believing. Do you really believe that there wasn't anyone in this draft that would have improved on Gocong or Considine? Start with Considine, I am pretty sure that Kenny Phillips would have been an instant upgrade on him. His stock only fell due to the entire Miami team sucking. Next for Gocong, you could probably put a monkey in pads and it would be an improvement. Dan Conner is a real LB, that has incredible instincts. He cold have come in and made an immediate impact. Another guy is Shawn Crable, I think he will have a great career and to no ones surprise was taken by the Patriots.(a team that wants to win NOW)This is just a few examples of guys that could have made an instant impact. The funny thing is that they wouldn't have to be taken at 1.19. Although they would have needed to trade back into the first in front of the Giants.Jeff Pasquino said:
Looks like I need to get Bob to fix the depth chart - Mikell is the starting safety.
No rookies would start on the OL, LJ is the TE, no rookie starts at WR, and Westy and McNabb are your starters.
So again, what rookies would start and where?
ETA - A Top 5 guy like Long or Dorsey I could see starting on defense - but that's about it. Seriously.
And Dan Connor is overratedconsistant.
Because you dont know the Wheaton pick or Joe Mays doesn't mean they cant play. If the CB from Wisconsin can play with the attitude he apparently has then why not bring him on? I'm sorry but I will take the Eagles scouting department over what a Scouts Inc draft guide says any day of the week.
What about Lorenzo Booker?? I like that addition as well. 24 years old and played 6 games on a one win team and actually did some nice things and your writing that off?
I like holding on to Lito as well - but again I don't see that happening without them restructuring Lito's deal.
Don't get me wrong I get fustrated with this FO just like the rest of you, but to site there and rip thier Day 2 without seeing any of these guys play is ridicolous. And for the record, you guys looking for the sexy veteran WR - It isn't happening. It's not in thie FO's mindset.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Please, bring in Pats comparisons......I really like what the Eagles have done in the draft. However, the mindset that the Eagles are so loaded that they dont have any starter openings is a mindset that has developed because Andy Reid doesnt play his rookies.1. Jamaal Jackson took a step back last year. He is an average center.
Anyone who expected anything more from this draft is being unrealistic. I don't have a problem at all with Lito still being on the team. Samuel/Lito/Brown/Dawk would be one hell of a secondary if that is what they're going to do.
2. Herremens did not have a very good year at guard last year. I think he is below average and would expect Jean-Gillis to take his position unless he is another wasted draft pick. This should be the year Jean-Gillis breaks the starting lineup.
3. Fred Davis and John Carlson and probably some others are better TE's than LJ Smith.
4. I think the #3 WR spot is weak with Avant. I think DJ is much better than Avant if you consider that a starting position.
5. I like the DLine.
6. The LB crew is young and unaccomplished. Jared Mayo and Curtis Lofton are both better than anybody you currently have. (I know you werent in position to get Mayo).
7. Best set of CB's in the league (If Pacman is reinstated, Dallas is very close. Newman, Pacman and Mike Jenkins)
8. Kenny Phillips is better than Quentin Mikell.
There were a number of players, IMO, that the Eagles could have drafted to compete for starting positions.
The Patriots are loaded, right?
They drafted a starting ILB, a CB to compete for a starting position, and a rotational OLB that will play quite a bit. Do you think the Patriots had more holes to fill on their team than the Eagles?
To your point, I have LBs as Mayo / Connor on the "consensus rank" list, so I don't know much about Lofton. I think Mayo could immediately come in and compete for a starting spot - but he was unavailable.As for TE - yes there was an opportunity to bring one in. I agree with Woodrow that Philly should have. Losing Bennett - to Dallas, no less - stings. But how do you exactly justify picking a TE when we have other glaring needs? After the first 5 or so TEs were gone, LJ Smith and Celek - a draft pick Philly isn't giving up on from 2007 - are better than what was available.
I'd have to review who was available in Round 4 (when the Eagles got LB happy for no apparent reason) and see if TE was a better option. Odds are it was and they should have brought one in to push Smith.
I don't see the Eagles tinkering too much with the OL. They could try and improve, but overall they're drafting for the future as their line consistenty grades as one of the better ones (when Justice doesn't start).
Kenny Philips might be better than Mikell, and I thought that DuJuan Jackson should have been picked. That was the biggest draft mistake, IMHO. Taking Bryan Smith (???) in Round 3 with Jackson available was a blunder that set the tone for disappointment for Day 2. Jermichael Finley would have been better there.
So maybe I should rescind the 100%-ness to saying that no starter jobs were available. Competition is key and they should have looked to push at TE, S, and WR. LB and OL is tougher for rookies to crack in Philly - at least it has been under Reid.
Lastly - I don't consider WR3 as a starter. Philly goes 2 WR for most starts so that's how I look at it. However, if you do that, TE2 becomes a bigger factor and again the Eagles should have addressed the depth there.
Overall I'm OK with how they did, but I'm not thrilled with just one WR and too many LBs. They are young at the position and have a 4th that is coming along as well in Togafau plus Boiman as a special teamer. Why did they feel the need to bring in 3 more?
Competition at WR for not just the starters but Avant, Baskett and Greg Lewis should have been more of a priority. Same with TE1 and 2.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Any chance the Birds will be using a 3-4 a bit this year? Laws played a bit of 3-4 and has the size and obvious strength (35 on the BP) to allow the Birds to float in and out of 3-4. I am wondering if they plan on using some of these DE's/LB's to try it out a bit.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Lets see what the roster looks like:
QB
McNabb
Kolb
Feeley
RB
Westbrook
Booker
Hunt
Buckhalter
Klecko?
WR
Brown
Curtis
Jackson ®
Avant
Baskett
Childress
Lewis
OL
Thomas
Herremens
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
Justice
Jean-Gillis
McGlynn ®
Young
Gibson ®
Dunlap ®
Cole
TE
Smith
Celek
Schoebel
Wilson
DL
Thomas
Clemons
Bunkley
Patterson
Laws ®
Cole
Abiamiri
Smith ®
Howard
Lajuan Ramsey
Studebaker ®
Reagor
LB
Bradley
Gaither
Gocong
Mays ®
Boiman
Jordan
DB
Samuel
Brown
Sheppard
Dawkins
Mikell
Considine
Demps ®
Hanson
Davis
Specialists
Akers
Rocca
Dorenbos (LS)
Thats 60 guys for a 53 man roster. Some of the later picks can be PS guys I guess but it looks like there will be some serious cuts in the OL and DL. I would say that Scott Young, Darren Howard and Montae Reagor should be updating their resumes.
And you can like the young LB's all you want but they are brutally thin at that position.
QB
McNabb
Kolb
Feeley
RB
Westbrook
Booker
Hunt
Buckhalter
Klecko?
WR
Brown
Curtis
Jackson ®
Avant
Baskett
Childress
Lewis
OL
Thomas
Herremens
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
Justice
Jean-Gillis
McGlynn ®
Young
Gibson ®
Dunlap ®
Cole
TE
Smith
Celek
Schoebel
Wilson
DL
Thomas
Clemons
Bunkley
Patterson
Laws ®
Cole
Abiamiri
Smith ®
Howard
Lajuan Ramsey
Studebaker ®
Reagor
LB
Bradley
Gaither
Gocong
Mays ®
Boiman
Jordan
DB
Samuel
Brown
Sheppard
Dawkins
Mikell
Considine
Demps ®
Hanson
Davis
Specialists
Akers
Rocca
Dorenbos (LS)
Thats 60 guys for a 53 man roster. Some of the later picks can be PS guys I guess but it looks like there will be some serious cuts in the OL and DL. I would say that Scott Young, Darren Howard and Montae Reagor should be updating their resumes.
And you can like the young LB's all you want but they are brutally thin at that position.
Nobody ever said the Eagles didn't have spots that could use upgrading, but there really aren't many starting spots obviously open.
There are great teams with more holes then the Eagles...but they also have more superstars covering the holes.
The Eagles have good, solid ballplayers in almost every position, but a lack of superstars. The weakest spots on the team (like WR) also happen to be the hardest positions to find rookie replacements in.
The Eagles system doesn't call for high profile LB's, but it's complicated enough to be hard on rookies. Only a true stud could start as a rookie there. The young LB's we have now are probably the best group we've had in years.
LJ Smith was considered an up and coming young TE just 12 months ago...but now he's a scrub that we HAD to find a replacement for early in this draft? I don't get that.
The only big ???? I have from this draft is why they took so many LB's, and didn't take another WR or two to challenge the WR depth a little better.
There are great teams with more holes then the Eagles...but they also have more superstars covering the holes.
The Eagles have good, solid ballplayers in almost every position, but a lack of superstars. The weakest spots on the team (like WR) also happen to be the hardest positions to find rookie replacements in.
The Eagles system doesn't call for high profile LB's, but it's complicated enough to be hard on rookies. Only a true stud could start as a rookie there. The young LB's we have now are probably the best group we've had in years.
LJ Smith was considered an up and coming young TE just 12 months ago...but now he's a scrub that we HAD to find a replacement for early in this draft? I don't get that.
The only big ???? I have from this draft is why they took so many LB's, and didn't take another WR or two to challenge the WR depth a little better.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I just looked at the whole Philly roster. Although you are excited about your young LBers, I didnt see much dept there. You mentioned a LB that I hadnt heard because I think he hasnt seen the field and I'm not sure if Boiman is much more than a STer. I think they needed to get some more LBers for competition.I think the safety you were refering to was actually Dajuan Morgan and I thought for sure they were taking him in the 3rd.Please, bring in Pats comparisons......To your point, I have LBs as Mayo / Connor on the "consensus rank" list, so I don't know much about Lofton. I think Mayo could immediately come in and compete for a starting spot - but he was unavailable.As for TE - yes there was an opportunity to bring one in. I agree with Woodrow that Philly should have. Losing Bennett - to Dallas, no less - stings. But how do you exactly justify picking a TE when we have other glaring needs? After the first 5 or so TEs were gone, LJ Smith and Celek - a draft pick Philly isn't giving up on from 2007 - are better than what was available.I'd have to review who was available in Round 4 (when the Eagles got LB happy for no apparent reason) and see if TE was a better option. Odds are it was and they should have brought one in to push Smith.I don't see the Eagles tinkering too much with the OL. They could try and improve, but overall they're drafting for the future as their line consistenty grades as one of the better ones (when Justice doesn't start).Kenny Philips might be better than Mikell, and I thought that DuJuan Jackson should have been picked. That was the biggest draft mistake, IMHO. Taking Bryan Smith (???) in Round 3 with Jackson available was a blunder that set the tone for disappointment for Day 2. Jermichael Finley would have been better there.So maybe I should rescind the 100%-ness to saying that no starter jobs were available. Competition is key and they should have looked to push at TE, S, and WR. LB and OL is tougher for rookies to crack in Philly - at least it has been under Reid.Lastly - I don't consider WR3 as a starter. Philly goes 2 WR for most starts so that's how I look at it. However, if you do that, TE2 becomes a bigger factor and again the Eagles should have addressed the depth there. Overall I'm OK with how they did, but I'm not thrilled with just one WR and too many LBs. They are young at the position and have a 4th that is coming along as well in Togafau plus Boiman as a special teamer. Why did they feel the need to bring in 3 more?Competition at WR for not just the starters but Avant, Baskett and Greg Lewis should have been more of a priority. Same with TE1 and 2.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
The Eagles didnt take any TE's.LJ did have pretty decent seasons in '05 and '06. He was horrendous last year though. If it was mostly injury then I guess the Eagles can feel ok about him.
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