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***OFFICIAL 'Fear The Walking Dead' Thread*** (1 Viewer)

I thought Cobalt was to abandon all of Los Angeles and terminate its residents.
I thought it was terminate the people who were locked up in that detention center/hospital, not everybody including the safe zone. nerds? somebody watch it again a few times and tell us.

 
We're Alive is my favorite zombie media, a podcast with four seasons. It was also set in downtown LA and the whole place (people, electricity, etc) cleared out pretty quick. Must just be hard to write that many people in a civilized setting falling through.
It would interest me to see someone tackle the topic, which is one reason I was looking forward to Fear as much as I was.

With a fast moving infection like World War Z or 28 Days Later, I think humanity would be screwed. But a slow one like TWD I bet we'd fare pretty well against. The worst part of the TWD zombie being that any normal death can result in a zombie would mean people would never be completely safe in any setting. But as long as people learn what is going on and get organized before the zombie numbers are overwhelming, I would think the zombies could be held off for a long time/indefinitely unless something goes really wrong. Those surprise deaths just wouldn't generate enough zombies quickly enough to take down defended areas so long as they showed any level of intelligence about their defenses and behavior. Most surprise deaths the zombie won't even make it out of their home, and people would be cautious about going in if no one inside is responding normally first.

Keeping people going to work would probably be the hardest part at first. But I'd think the people who provide the important services like electricity and water would realize their role and you could probably get them on board after the initial wave of fear was replaced with understanding. I also think the idiots who want to turn anarchist would be an issue which is something Fear was good in showing, but I think again that can be managed. They would probably cause a fair portion of however many zombies get created early on and have to be dealt with, in part through distracting the security forces that could have been dealing solely with zombies.

The more I think about it the more I think you might need some kind of more active infection to bring down society with a TWD type ZA. Like drinking infected water could kill you the same as a zombie bite can. Or any other big scale kill off, like a flu pandemic that kills enough people off the zombie numbers become unmanageable.

 
I thought Cobalt was to abandon all of Los Angeles and terminate its residents.
I thought it was terminate the people who were locked up in that detention center/hospital, not everybody including the safe zone. nerds? somebody watch it again a few times and tell us.
Don't remember exactly what was said, but, it wouldn't make sense to take the time to go around kill all the residents when they are in retreat.

ETA:

Cobalt = Retreat

People Left Behind = Future Zombies

Stay and Kill Zombies <> Retreat

I know the writers aren't that smart, but, it wouldn't make sense for the orders to include killing the residents first.

 
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Show is really bad, can't believe they didn't even actually show anything in this show, such as major decisions being made that led to society breaking down or the continuing of society breaking down. Instead, we just go from hey there is a zombie to skip forward one episode and the military already killed almost everyone, yet there aren't any swarms/walkers to be seen, and presumably after next episode it will just be the west-coast walking dead, except with characters no one cares about? The writers should be ashamed as the pretty much had a slam dunk show here and failed miserably.
Yes, was looking forward to seeing how society tried to combat it, etc. But it didn't take long to see they weren't going to handle it in any kind of reasonable way.

The media aspect of it being a great example. Cases in 5 states, hospital workers know what they have to do with dead bodies. People hear "something" is going on enough to keep their kids home and not go to work so the power fails and society crumbles... yet a salacious detail like "people are turning cannibal" doesn't survive the rumor mill? How do you have enough cases for people to know something is going on, but not have a zillion youtube videos of zombies recorded by idiot teenagers who don't know how to turn their phone when recording video?

We had 2 cases of Ebola here in the US and you couldn't hardly find anything else on a news channel. Doesn't matter if their world doesn't know what zombies are. People are turning rabid and EATING each other isn't news worthy? It would dominate the news, there would be no way it could be covered up once a few cases happened.

Was really hoping to see how we'd combat something like this and how it could play out that we still lose. Instead... ugh.
I'm with you there. There would be no way this didn't get out sooner. Plus, it seems the doctors and nurses were brought in on it too. Can you imagine that they wouldn't tell their friends/spouses/lovers about it?

Also thought the electricity going out so quickly was kind of hokey. Guess a zombie or two got stuck in the gears.
I told myself that they took down the servers somehow. Hopefully that's a thing.

 
Show is really bad, can't believe they didn't even actually show anything in this show, such as major decisions being made that led to society breaking down or the continuing of society breaking down. Instead, we just go from hey there is a zombie to skip forward one episode and the military already killed almost everyone, yet there aren't any swarms/walkers to be seen, and presumably after next episode it will just be the west-coast walking dead, except with characters no one cares about? The writers should be ashamed as the pretty much had a slam dunk show here and failed miserably.
Yes, was looking forward to seeing how society tried to combat it, etc. But it didn't take long to see they weren't going to handle it in any kind of reasonable way.

The media aspect of it being a great example. Cases in 5 states, hospital workers know what they have to do with dead bodies. People hear "something" is going on enough to keep their kids home and not go to work so the power fails and society crumbles... yet a salacious detail like "people are turning cannibal" doesn't survive the rumor mill? How do you have enough cases for people to know something is going on, but not have a zillion youtube videos of zombies recorded by idiot teenagers who don't know how to turn their phone when recording video?

We had 2 cases of Ebola here in the US and you couldn't hardly find anything else on a news channel. Doesn't matter if their world doesn't know what zombies are. People are turning rabid and EATING each other isn't news worthy? It would dominate the news, there would be no way it could be covered up once a few cases happened.

Was really hoping to see how we'd combat something like this and how it could play out that we still lose. Instead... ugh.
I'm with you there. There would be no way this didn't get out sooner. Plus, it seems the doctors and nurses were brought in on it too. Can you imagine that they wouldn't tell their friends/spouses/lovers about it?

Also thought the electricity going out so quickly was kind of hokey. Guess a zombie or two got stuck in the gears.
I told myself that they took down the servers somehow. Hopefully that's a thing.
or something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DItgw1mU9Us

 
We're Alive is my favorite zombie media, a podcast with four seasons. It was also set in downtown LA and the whole place (people, electricity, etc) cleared out pretty quick. Must just be hard to write that many people in a civilized setting falling through.
It would interest me to see someone tackle the topic, which is one reason I was looking forward to Fear as much as I was.

With a fast moving infection like World War Z or 28 Days Later, I think humanity would be screwed. But a slow one like TWD I bet we'd fare pretty well against. The worst part of the TWD zombie being that any normal death can result in a zombie would mean people would never be completely safe in any setting. But as long as people learn what is going on and get organized before the zombie numbers are overwhelming, I would think the zombies could be held off for a long time/indefinitely unless something goes really wrong. Those surprise deaths just wouldn't generate enough zombies quickly enough to take down defended areas so long as they showed any level of intelligence about their defenses and behavior. Most surprise deaths the zombie won't even make it out of their home, and people would be cautious about going in if no one inside is responding normally first.

Keeping people going to work would probably be the hardest part at first. But I'd think the people who provide the important services like electricity and water would realize their role and you could probably get them on board after the initial wave of fear was replaced with understanding. I also think the idiots who want to turn anarchist would be an issue which is something Fear was good in showing, but I think again that can be managed. They would probably cause a fair portion of however many zombies get created early on and have to be dealt with, in part through distracting the security forces that could have been dealing solely with zombies.

The more I think about it the more I think you might need some kind of more active infection to bring down society with a TWD type ZA. Like drinking infected water could kill you the same as a zombie bite can. Or any other big scale kill off, like a flu pandemic that kills enough people off the zombie numbers become unmanageable.
SImple. You are thinking logically. The overwhelming majority do not think logically in normal every day scenarios, let alone during a zombie apocalypse. Society crumbles.

You are correct though if people were on the same page, it would be handled rather easily.

 
Show is really bad, can't believe they didn't even actually show anything in this show, such as major decisions being made that led to society breaking down or the continuing of society breaking down. Instead, we just go from hey there is a zombie to skip forward one episode and the military already killed almost everyone, yet there aren't any swarms/walkers to be seen, and presumably after next episode it will just be the west-coast walking dead, except with characters no one cares about? The writers should be ashamed as the pretty much had a slam dunk show here and failed miserably.
Yes, was looking forward to seeing how society tried to combat it, etc. But it didn't take long to see they weren't going to handle it in any kind of reasonable way.

The media aspect of it being a great example. Cases in 5 states, hospital workers know what they have to do with dead bodies. People hear "something" is going on enough to keep their kids home and not go to work so the power fails and society crumbles... yet a salacious detail like "people are turning cannibal" doesn't survive the rumor mill? How do you have enough cases for people to know something is going on, but not have a zillion youtube videos of zombies recorded by idiot teenagers who don't know how to turn their phone when recording video?

We had 2 cases of Ebola here in the US and you couldn't hardly find anything else on a news channel. Doesn't matter if their world doesn't know what zombies are. People are turning rabid and EATING each other isn't news worthy? It would dominate the news, there would be no way it could be covered up once a few cases happened.

Was really hoping to see how we'd combat something like this and how it could play out that we still lose. Instead... ugh.
I'm with you there. There would be no way this didn't get out sooner. Plus, it seems the doctors and nurses were brought in on it too. Can you imagine that they wouldn't tell their friends/spouses/lovers about it?

Also thought the electricity going out so quickly was kind of hokey. Guess a zombie or two got stuck in the gears.
I told myself that they took down the servers somehow. Hopefully that's a thing.
or something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DItgw1mU9Us
lol

 
I thought Cobalt was to abandon all of Los Angeles and terminate its residents.
I thought it was terminate the people who were locked up in that detention center/hospital, not everybody including the safe zone. nerds? somebody watch it again a few times and tell us.
Don't remember exactly what was said, but, it wouldn't make sense to take the time to go around kill all the residents when they are in retreat.

ETA:

Cobalt = Retreat

People Left Behind = Future Zombies

Stay and Kill Zombies <> Retreat

I know the writers aren't that smart, but, it wouldn't make sense for the orders to include killing the residents first.
Here is the video clip of Cobalt.

"human termination"? Yeah, didn't expect the writers to get that right. Human termination, if they couldn't take the people with them for some reason, would be to leave them pistols and let them decide for themselves how they want to go. There is no logical reason to take the time to terminate people if they are under evac.

 
problem with that theory is you'll have a gigantic sausagefest at the end after you cap all the people. they gonna have to get some ladies to breed with

 
problem with that theory is you'll have a gigantic sausagefest at the end after you cap all the people. they gonna have to get some ladies to breed with
There is no problem with that theory. Plenty of females in the military and on the "people not to kill" list.

 
humane termination: ie cap everyone in the head so they can't turn
Why?
So..........they..........can't...............turn.

Something along the lines of saving the human race, but to do so they have to cap quite a few people first. Wanna make a cake, gotta break some eggs.
It's as simple as the logic I posted earlier:

Cobalt = Retreat

People Left Behind = Future Zombies

Stay and Kill Zombies <> Retreat


If they want to kill zombies then stay and kill zombies.. But their mission has changed Cobalt = evac.

I agree the overall objective for the military is to stop, contain and eliminate the zombies(virus) even at the cost of real people's lives. Lets look at what we know:

1- Safe Zones approximately 12 small zones inside the greater LA of population 10 milion.
2- The directive in the unsafe zones was to kill everything.
3- The directive in the safe zones was to test, monitor and quarantine to ensure the safe zones are zombie/virus free.

This all makes perfect sense if you are trying to achieve the overall objective for LA. But, then the Colbat order came down so you have to assume the overall objective wasn't being met. If you are under evacuation orders what does the killing of, few hundred maybe, out of the 10 MILLION people zombies accomplish? Especially when you're just going to carpet bomb the area after you leave anyway? For the overall objective it would be a waste of time and effort; that's why they are evacuating.

To me it's just another bad plot device for the writers; the evil military. You want one of the battalions going rouge under a crazy commander given the apocalyptic nature they are in? Sure, but not the entire military, from the top. Humane termination? The writers just want to drive home that the military is killing people. Dumb.
 
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humane termination: ie cap everyone in the head so they can't turn
Why?
So..........they..........can't...............turn.

Something along the lines of saving the human race, but to do so they have to cap quite a few people first. Wanna make a cake, gotta break some eggs.
It's as simple as the logic I posted earlier:

Cobalt = Retreat

People Left Behind = Future Zombies

Stay and Kill Zombies <> Retreat


If they want to kill zombies then stay and kill zombies.. But their mission has changed Cobalt = evac.

I agree the overall objective for the military is to stop, contain and eliminate the zombies(virus) even at the cost of real people's lives. Lets look at what we know:

1- Safe Zones approximately 12 small zones inside the greater LA of population 10 milion.
2- The directive in the unsafe zones was to kill everything.
3- The directive in the safe zones was to test, monitor and quarantine to ensure the safe zones are zombie/virus free.

This all makes perfect sense if you are trying to achieve the overall objective for LA. But, then the Colbat order came down so you have to assume the overall objective wasn't being met. If you are under evacuation orders what does the killing of, few hundred maybe, out of the 10 MILLION people zombies accomplish? Especially when you're just going to carpet bomb the area after you leave anyway? For the overall objective it would be a waste of time and effort; that's why they are evacuating.

To me it's just another bad plot device for the writers; the evil military. You want one of the battalions going rouge under a crazy commander given the apocalyptic nature they are in? Sure, but not the entire military, from the top. Humane termination? The writers just want to drive home that the military is killing people. Dumb.
So are you assuming this is the only military group out there? I mean, you said they will kill maybe a few hundred people, so you must be assuming there is no other military that they are in contact with? Did they come up with "cobalt" themselves? just this group of soldiers?

 
humane termination: ie cap everyone in the head so they can't turn
Why?
So..........they..........can't...............turn.

Something along the lines of saving the human race, but to do so they have to cap quite a few people first. Wanna make a cake, gotta break some eggs.
It's as simple as the logic I posted earlier:

Cobalt = Retreat

People Left Behind = Future Zombies

Stay and Kill Zombies <> Retreat


If they want to kill zombies then stay and kill zombies.. But their mission has changed Cobalt = evac.

I agree the overall objective for the military is to stop, contain and eliminate the zombies(virus) even at the cost of real people's lives. Lets look at what we know:

1- Safe Zones approximately 12 small zones inside the greater LA of population 10 milion.
2- The directive in the unsafe zones was to kill everything.
3- The directive in the safe zones was to test, monitor and quarantine to ensure the safe zones are zombie/virus free.

This all makes perfect sense if you are trying to achieve the overall objective for LA. But, then the Colbat order came down so you have to assume the overall objective wasn't being met. If you are under evacuation orders what does the killing of, few hundred maybe, out of the 10 MILLION people zombies accomplish? Especially when you're just going to carpet bomb the area after you leave anyway? For the overall objective it would be a waste of time and effort; that's why they are evacuating.

To me it's just another bad plot device for the writers; the evil military. You want one of the battalions going rouge under a crazy commander given the apocalyptic nature they are in? Sure, but not the entire military, from the top. Humane termination? The writers just want to drive home that the military is killing people. Dumb.
So are you assuming this is the only military group out there? I mean, you said they will kill maybe a few hundred people, so you must be assuming there is no other military that they are in contact with? Did they come up with "cobalt" themselves? just this group of soldiers?
No, I said just the opposite of that. I don't know how you can come away with that impression from what I typed out. But, what's new.

We don't know the true number of people that are in the safe zones that they have been ordered to kill (hundreds was a guess, use tens of thousands if you want it doesn't matter), however, we do know it's dramatically less and insignificant compared to the number of zombie people outside the safe zones (which is closer to 10 Million) because they are aborting the mission and bugging out. They obviously didn't get the numbers they needed and some of the safe zones are probably being overrun.

Also, we don't know why they can't evacuate the people too. Obviously they want to make sure none that are infected get out, but, I don't see how the civilians would be much more of a risk than the military. For that type of order to come down I would have expected it to include the military too.

 
humane termination: ie cap everyone in the head so they can't turn
Why?
So..........they..........can't...............turn.

Something along the lines of saving the human race, but to do so they have to cap quite a few people first. Wanna make a cake, gotta break some eggs.
I would think a militia would be a far better resolution. An armed organized group could exceed a 1 to 1 casualty ratio.

 
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Loan Sharks said:
ghostguy123 said:
tonydead said:
tommyboy said:
humane termination: ie cap everyone in the head so they can't turn
Why?
So..........they..........can't...............turn.

Something along the lines of saving the human race, but to do so they have to cap quite a few people first. Wanna make a cake, gotta break some eggs.
I would think a militia would be a far better resolution. An armed organized group could exceed a 1 to 1 casualty ratio.
Ummmmm, I am not trying to argue what I think they SHOULD do.............................

 
tonydead said:
ghostguy123 said:
So are you assuming this is the only military group out there? I mean, you said they will kill maybe a few hundred people, so you must be assuming there is no other military that they are in contact with? Did they come up with "cobalt" themselves? just this group of soldiers?
No, I said just the opposite of that. I don't know how you can come away with that impression from what I typed out. But, what's new.

We don't know the true number of people that are in the safe zones that they have been ordered to kill (hundreds was a guess, use tens of thousands if you want it doesn't matter), however, we do know it's dramatically less and insignificant compared to the number of zombie people outside the safe zones (which is closer to 10 Million) because they are aborting the mission and bugging out. They obviously didn't get the numbers they needed and some of the safe zones are probably being overrun.

Also, we don't know why they can't evacuate the people too. Obviously they want to make sure none that are infected get out, but, I don't see how the civilians would be much more of a risk than the military. For that type of order to come down I would have expected it to include the military too.
10 milion where?? It's been a couple weeks, people fled the big cities.

Anyway, nevermind. It seems you are thinking I am arguing some point that I am not.

 
tonydead said:
ghostguy123 said:
So are you assuming this is the only military group out there? I mean, you said they will kill maybe a few hundred people, so you must be assuming there is no other military that they are in contact with? Did they come up with "cobalt" themselves? just this group of soldiers?
No, I said just the opposite of that. I don't know how you can come away with that impression from what I typed out. But, what's new.

We don't know the true number of people that are in the safe zones that they have been ordered to kill (hundreds was a guess, use tens of thousands if you want it doesn't matter), however, we do know it's dramatically less and insignificant compared to the number of zombie people outside the safe zones (which is closer to 10 Million) because they are aborting the mission and bugging out. They obviously didn't get the numbers they needed and some of the safe zones are probably being overrun.

Also, we don't know why they can't evacuate the people too. Obviously they want to make sure none that are infected get out, but, I don't see how the civilians would be much more of a risk than the military. For that type of order to come down I would have expected it to include the military too.
10 milion where?? It's been a couple weeks, people fled the big cities.

Anyway, nevermind. It seems you are thinking I am arguing some point that I am not.
We actually have no idea if people fled the city, or if they were killed by the military, or killed by rioters, or turned into zombies, or anything else as the show didn't actually show anything. Also even using your assumption that people fled there is no way 10 million people just casually fled the city then TWD happens and the only people left are a few hundred in each safe zone (every portrayal so far shows this as a small neighborhood, a few hundred people to thousand tops).

 
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10 milion where?? It's been a couple weeks, people fled the big cities.

Anyway, nevermind. It seems you are thinking I am arguing some point that I am not.
The one week flash forward happened after the National Guard showed up and kept people from leaving. The national guard showed up on day 4. I'm not sure what show you are even watching.

 
10 milion where?? It's been a couple weeks, people fled the big cities.

Anyway, nevermind. It seems you are thinking I am arguing some point that I am not.
The one week flash forward happened after the National Guard showed up and kept people from leaving. The national guard showed up on day 4. I'm not sure what show you are even watching.
I've been airing a chopped and screwed edition of FTWD.

 
i watched the last episode again last night. Its even better than i thought the first time through. there's so many levels of distrust here, that's the common theme through the entire episode.

when you watch the scene where the nat'l guard guys go into the library and get ambushed, you're led to believe that they got smoked or overrun by zombies. However, given that the one dude says "he's not coming" referring to the major, it could also have been a planned ambush on his own troops. I mean in the end times situation they are in, it wouldn't be inconceivable for a power tripping military guy to try to set up a kingdom where he's the top dog ala the Governor, who murders, rapes, tortures at will to achieve his ends. He can't do that in the Nat'l Guard structure, so lets thin the herd and set up my own cartel. I'm not so sure the Major is dead and I suspect we'll be running into his group in season 2.

we're at the point now where society has completely broken down, but the main characters don't yet understand it fully. The last episode will show the final realization.
The walking dead wiki lists Lieutenant Moyers as dead, fwiw.

 
10 milion where?? It's been a couple weeks, people fled the big cities.

Anyway, nevermind. It seems you are thinking I am arguing some point that I am not.
The one week flash forward happened after the National Guard showed up and kept people from leaving. The national guard showed up on day 4. I'm not sure what show you are even watching.
So you don't think a major mass quantity of people DIDN'T leave the city in those 4 days of crazy riots and talk of some disease or something going on?

Alrighty

Not to mention they have been going around for a week capping people and walkers.

 
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10 milion where?? It's been a couple weeks, people fled the big cities.

Anyway, nevermind. It seems you are thinking I am arguing some point that I am not.
The one week flash forward happened after the National Guard showed up and kept people from leaving. The national guard showed up on day 4. I'm not sure what show you are even watching.
So you don't think a major mass quantity of people DIDN'T leave the city in those 4 days of crazy riots and talk of some disease or something going on?

Alrighty

Not to mention they have been going around for a week capping people and walkers.
No, it wasn't until day 3 that the footage from the shooting on the freeway gets circulated and Chris goes to the protest of the shooting of a homeless man, then the night of day 3 the riots break out. You really don't watch the show do you.

They are killing everything in the unsafe zone because the are trying to contain and eliminate the virus. You can't contain it if you don't have a perimeter. They kept people from leaving.

ETA: :lmao: 4 days of crazy riots.

 
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After just seeing the end of the last episode again, i am under the impression that cobalt means the termination of the "sick" people, not the people in the safe zones.

 
i just don't care about any of these people. i guess the black dude intrigues me, but they could kill the whole cast and i could care less. weird how a show like Walking Dead or Game of Thrones can do it so well, but others just swing and miss

 
Thought the finale was pretty meh. If the next season they are all aboard that ship sailing around, it could be interesting to see where they go with the story though.

 
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i just don't care about any of these people. i guess the black dude intrigues me, but they could kill the whole cast and i could care less. weird how a show like Walking Dead or Game of Thrones can do it so well, but others just swing and miss
You guys never disappoint.

 
The first six episodes of The Walking Dead weren't anything to write home about either, people. I liked these cause it's from the beginning of the outbreak. I know it's just one family but there'd be a whole lot of chaos going around.

These people seem pretty calm overall for now knowing much about the outbreak and seeing dead people walking around. I'm a pretty calm person but even if be doing double takes if I see people chowing down on other people. That is not just another day at the park, you know?

 
The first six episodes of The Walking Dead weren't anything to write home about either, people. I liked these cause it's from the beginning of the outbreak. I know it's just one family but there'd be a whole lot of chaos going around.

These people seem pretty calm overall for now knowing much about the outbreak and seeing dead people walking around. I'm a pretty calm person but even if be doing double takes if I see people chowing down on other people. That is not just another day at the park, you know?
LA people are too cool to get freaked out by zombies.

 
The first six episodes of The Walking Dead weren't anything to write home about either, people. I liked these cause it's from the beginning of the outbreak. I know it's just one family but there'd be a whole lot of chaos going around.

These people seem pretty calm overall for now knowing much about the outbreak and seeing dead people walking around. I'm a pretty calm person but even if be doing double takes if I see people chowing down on other people. That is not just another day at the park, you know?
The difference between this and the first 6 episodes of TWD, were that I actually wanted to see the next episode of TWD.

 
The first six episodes of The Walking Dead weren't anything to write home about either, people. I liked these cause it's from the beginning of the outbreak. I know it's just one family but there'd be a whole lot of chaos going around.

These people seem pretty calm overall for now knowing much about the outbreak and seeing dead people walking around. I'm a pretty calm person but even if be doing double takes if I see people chowing down on other people. That is not just another day at the park, you know?
The difference between this and the first 6 episodes of TWD, were that I actually wanted to see the next episode of TWD.
But you'll watch season 2 of FTWD anyway.

 
The first six episodes of The Walking Dead weren't anything to write home about either, people. I liked these cause it's from the beginning of the outbreak. I know it's just one family but there'd be a whole lot of chaos going around.

These people seem pretty calm overall for now knowing much about the outbreak and seeing dead people walking around. I'm a pretty calm person but even if be doing double takes if I see people chowing down on other people. That is not just another day at the park, you know?
The difference between this and the first 6 episodes of TWD, were that I actually wanted to see the next episode of TWD.
But you'll watch season 2 of FTWD anyway.
Yep, mainly because I'm interested in the potential of what the show could be, but knowing it will never be.

 
LOL. Maori emo-dude hates guns but winds up carrying a rifle for most of the episode, then mercy-kills his ex wife with a semi-automatic pistol. :lmao:

Cannot wait for 10/11!

 
It might have been mentioned before, but I'm not sifting through 20 pages of drivel to see if it was.....

I just realized last night that soldier boy was Dildo from Outside Providence

 

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