***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (1 Viewer)

[Capella]

for some weird reason, I have this thing against taking 'modern' players, but I'd be a real dummy to pass up a 5-time Cy Young winner, 4-time ERA champ, 9-time strikeout winner, pitcher of a perfect game, World Series MVP, NL Triple Crown winner in 2002 and LEFT HANDED!!

Randy Johnson, SP

I'll put him up against Koufax, and I didn't have to pass on Babe to get him.

btw,

 

[lastresort66]

for some weird reason, I have this thing against taking 'modern' players, but I'd be a real dummy to pass up a 5-time Cy Young winner, 4-time ERA champ, 9-time strikeout winner, pitcher of a perfect game, World Series MVP, NL Triple Crown winner in 2002 and LEFT HANDED!!

Randy Johnson, SP

I'll put him up against Koufax, and I didn't have to pass on Babe to get him.

Koufax > Johnson, but you'd have to be a f'ing moron to think that Koufax was a good pick at 1.2 vs getting the Big Unit at 3.4.Good value pick, Cappy.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Not a monster Randy Johnson fan, but he's definitely one of the most dominant of all time.I have a feeling Capella struggled with this pick.

 

[Capella]

I have a feeling Capella struggled with this pick.

the force is strong with this one.

 

[larry_boy_44]

2.1:Roger ClemensBats: Right Throws: RightPlayed: 1984-currentLived: 1962-currentPlayed for the Boston Redsox (1984-1996), Toronto Bluejays (1997-1998), New York Yankees (1999-2003), and the Houston Astros (2004-current)best years: 1986 23 BOS AL 24 4 33 33 10 1 0 0 254.0 179 77 70 21 67 238 4 11 997 2.48 4.19 1691990 27 BOS AL 21 6 31 31 7 4 0 0 228.3 193 59 49 7 54 209 7 8 920 1.93 4.07 211 1997 34 TOR AL 21 7 34 34 9 3 0 0 264.0 204 65 60 9 68 292 12 4 1044 2.05 4.62 226 1998 35 TOR AL 20 6 33 33 5 3 0 0 234.7 169 78 69 11 88 271 7 6 961 2.65 4.66 176 1991 28 BOS AL 18 10 35 35 13 4 0 0 271.3 219 93 79 15 65 241 5 6 1077 2.62 4.31 164 2004 41 HOU NL 18 4 33 33 0 0 0 0 214.3 169 76 71 15 79 218 6 5 878 2.98 4.31 145Accomplishments/Awards:10-time All Star (1986, 1988, 1990-1992, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2003, 2004)6-time AL Cy Young Award Winner (1986, 1987, 1991, 1997, 1998, 2001)1-time NL Cy Young Award Winner (2004)1-time All Star Game MVP (1986)1-time AL MVP (1986) (the only pitcher since 1971 to win an MVP, and the last one to do it)2-time AL Triple Crown Winner (1997, 1998)Top 10 in MVP voting 5 other times (1987, 1991, 1997, 2001, 2004)Top 10 in Cy Young voting 4 other times (1988, 1990, 1992, 2000)Led League in ERA 6 times (1986, 1990-1992, 1997, 1998)Top 10 in ERA 7 other times (1987, 1988, 1994, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2004)Led League in Wins 4 times (1986, 1987, 1997, 1998)Top 10 in league in Wins 8 other times (1988-1992, 2001, 2003, 2004)Led League in (W + H)/9 I 3 times (1986, 1992, 1997)Top 10 in league in (W + H)/9 I 10 other times (1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2004)Led League in K/9 I 3 times (1998, 1996, 1998)Top 5 in K/9 I 14 other times (every year he didn't win 1986-2003)#7 in K/9 I in 2004Top 5 in Ks every year 1986-2004 except 1999 (#9 that year)Led League in Ks 5 times (1988, 1991, 1996-1998)Active Leader in KsSecond All-Time in KsLed League in Complete Games 3 times (1987, 1988, 1997)Top 10 in Complete Games 7 other times (1986, 1989-1992, 1996, 1998)Active Leader in Complete GamesLed League in Shutouts 6 times (1987, 1988, 1990-1992, 1997)Top 10 in Shutouts 6 other times (1989, 1993, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2003)Active Leader in ShutoutsLed League in Adjusted ERA 7 times (1986, 1990-1992, 1994, 1997, 1998)Top Five in Adjusted ERA 6 other times (1987-1989, 1996, 2001, 2004)#6 in Adjusted ERA in 2001A complete and utter SHOE-IN for the Hall of FameMost Cy Young Awards EVER!!Dominating pitcher from the age of 21 'til at least the age of 41, since last season was, arguably, one of his best... THAT IS TWENTY YEARS!!!did I mention SEVEN Cy Young Awards??? SEVEN!!!!Roger Clemens is BY FAR the best pitcher of our generation, it isn't even close. No one currently pitching can shine a candle to the career that Roger Clemens has had, and he is my NUMBER TWO pitcher...Yes, I will be facing All-Star lineups, but Clemens is good in All-Star Games, too... He won the MVP in 1986 to show that...He won the triple crown TWO YEARS IN A ROW!!! He was the MVP in a completely different DECADE (he won the Triple Crowns 11 and 12 years after his MVP Season)... He was won the Cy Young in both leagues and in 3 different DECADES!!Roger Clemens will go down in history as one of, if not the, best pitcher in the history of baseball, period... There is no question about that...And that is why I am more than happy to get the VALUE PICK of Roger Clemens at 2.1.

 

[Nipsey]

Pick upcoming....

 

[Capella]

Yes, I will be facing All-Star lineups, but Clemens is good in All-Star Games, too... He won the MVP in 1986 to show that...

can't argue with too much of what you wrote, but perhaps you missed his performance last summer.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Yes, I will be facing All-Star lineups, but Clemens is good in All-Star Games, too... He won the MVP in 1986 to show that...

can't argue with too much of what you wrote, but perhaps you missed his performance last summer.

honestly, I wasn't sure about the Clemens pick until I really looked hard at what he has done...Now, I am pretty sure I would be willing to argue that he is THE Greatest Pitcher of all time...and I'm not exageratting that...and he STILL ISN'T DONE!!

 

[larry_boy_44]

oh yeah, is Nipsey really leaving town or was he just messing with all of our heads?

 

[Nipsey]

oh yeah, is Nipsey really leaving town or was he just messing with all of our heads?

I've already left...

 

[Capella]

oh yeah, is Nipsey really leaving town or was he just messing with all of our heads?

I've already left...

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[10993]

Now, I am pretty sure I would be willing to argue that he is THE Greatest Pitcher of all time...and I'm not exageratting that...

this is better than the dragons

 

[Nipsey]

I really have no idea who to take here. It could be any of ten guys. So go ahead and tell me I chose the wrong guy.

I'm taking:

"SHOELESS" JOE JACKSON

Really I couldn't decide. Thought that getting someone else like him near the top of my line-up would be tougher than finding other parts later on.

 

[higgins]

Now, I am pretty sure I would be willing to argue that he is THE Greatest Pitcher of all time...and I'm not exageratting that...

this is better than the dragons

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[larry_boy_44]

I'm out for the night... I'm looking forward to another turn pick in the morning (hopefully...)KEEP PICKING GUYS!!

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I really have no idea who to take here. It could be any of ten guys. So go ahead and tell me I chose the wrong guy.

I'm taking:

"SHOELESS" JOE JACKSON

Really I couldn't decide. Thought that getting someone else like him near the top of my line-up would be tougher than finding other parts later on.

Great pick, even if he's a complete asswipe.

 

[Capella]

I really have no idea who to take here. It could be any of ten guys. So go ahead and tell me I chose the wrong guy.

I'm taking:

"SHOELESS" JOE JACKSON

Really I couldn't decide. Thought that getting someone else like him near the top of my line-up would be tougher than finding other parts later on.

sweet pick

 

[Capella]

I really have no idea who to take here. It could be any of ten guys. So go ahead and tell me I chose the wrong guy.

I'm taking:

"SHOELESS" JOE JACKSON

Really I couldn't decide. Thought that getting someone else like him near the top of my line-up would be tougher than finding other parts later on.

Great pick, even if he's a complete asswipe.

 

[Kraft...]

For the morning crowed:

MLB PLAYER DRAFT

Updated picks

ROUND ONE

1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson

1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax

1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth

1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays

1.5 Nipsey -- P CY Young

1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams

1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig

1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds

1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial

1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby

1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove

1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb

1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron

1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle

1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner

1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson

2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens

2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez

2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker

2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio

2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx

2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt

2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson

2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn

2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander

2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson

2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews

2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan

2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose

2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins

2.15 Spock - SP Nolan Ryan

2.16 Pumpnick - 2B Nap Lajoie

3.1 pumpnick -- SP Greg Maddux

3.2 Spock -- SP Steve Carlton

3.3 lastresort -- 1B Mark McGwire

3.4 Capella -- SP Randy Johnson

3.5 Nipsey -- OF Joe Jackson

3.6 Sammy3469 -- ON THE CLOCK

3.7 Pickles --

3.8 Harrier --

3.9 Doug B --

3.10 bogart --

3.11 Koya --

3.12 funkley --

3.13 Kraft --

3.14 UCONN --

3.15 Spartans --

3.16 LarryBoy --

Good night all

 

[Nipsey]

I really have no idea who to take here. It could be any of ten guys. So go ahead and tell me I chose the wrong guy.

I'm taking:

"SHOELESS" JOE JACKSON

Really I couldn't decide. Thought that getting someone else like him near the top of my line-up would be tougher than finding other parts later on.

Great pick, even if he's a complete asswipe.

I actually typed another name in and changed it right before I posted. This draft is tough.

 

[Nipsey]

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series. If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

Proof that nobody actually reads the write-ups....

 

[Capella]

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series. If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

Proof that nobody actually reads the write-ups....

I don't get it..everything you said in there (except the OBP) is accurate.

 

[Nipsey]

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series. If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

Proof that nobody actually reads the write-ups....

I don't get it..everything you said in there (except the OBP) is accurate.

The OBP is accurate!Edit....OK, maybe not, but that's not my fault. I cut and pasted that part...

 

[Capella]

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series. If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

Proof that nobody actually reads the write-ups....

I don't get it..everything you said in there (except the OBP) is accurate.

The OBP is accurate!

1976-.444-1

I still don't get what you're trying to say..

 

[Nipsey]

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series. If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

Proof that nobody actually reads the write-ups....

I don't get it..everything you said in there (except the OBP) is accurate.

The OBP is accurate!

1976-.444-1

I still don't get what you're trying to say..

Edit....OK, maybe not, but that's not my fault. I cut and pasted that part...

 

[Capella]

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series. If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

Proof that nobody actually reads the write-ups....

I don't get it..everything you said in there (except the OBP) is accurate.

The OBP is accurate!

1976-.444-1

I still don't get what you're trying to say..

Edit....OK, maybe not, but that's not my fault. I cut and pasted that part...

that's fine, lord knows I've done that..but I still don't get your point.lots of facts and #### flying around in here, some things are going to just get read with no response.

 

[Nipsey]

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series. If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

Proof that nobody actually reads the write-ups....

I don't get it..everything you said in there (except the OBP) is accurate.

The OBP is accurate!

1976-.444-1

I still don't get what you're trying to say..

Edit....OK, maybe not, but that's not my fault. I cut and pasted that part...

that's fine, lord knows I've done that..but I still don't get your point.lots of facts and #### flying around in here, some things are going to just get read with no response.

Forget it!

 

[Capella]

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series. If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

Proof that nobody actually reads the write-ups....

I don't get it..everything you said in there (except the OBP) is accurate.

The OBP is accurate!

1976-.444-1

I still don't get what you're trying to say..

Edit....OK, maybe not, but that's not my fault. I cut and pasted that part...

that's fine, lord knows I've done that..but I still don't get your point.lots of facts and #### flying around in here, some things are going to just get read with no response.

Forget it!

late night beisbol talk makes the baby jeebus cryI'm going to bed!

 

[Nipsey]

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series. If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

Proof that nobody actually reads the write-ups....

I don't get it..everything you said in there (except the OBP) is accurate.

The OBP is accurate!

1976-.444-1

I still don't get what you're trying to say..

Edit....OK, maybe not, but that's not my fault. I cut and pasted that part...

that's fine, lord knows I've done that..but I still don't get your point.lots of facts and #### flying around in here, some things are going to just get read with no response.

Forget it!

late night beisbol talk makes the baby jeebus cryI'm going to bed!

 

[Nipsey]

"Shoeless" Joe Jackson

"Everything he hit was really blessed. He could break bones with his shots. Blindfold me and I could still tell you when Joe hit the ball. It had a special crack." - Ernie Shore

"He (Shoeless Joe Jackson) was the finest natural hitter in the history of the game." - Ty Cobb

"I copied (Shoeless Joe) Jackson's style because I thought he was the greatest hitter I had ever seen, the greatest natural hitter I ever saw. He's the guy who made me a hitter." - Babe Ruth

Because of his alleged involvement in the 1919 "Black Sox Scandal," Jackson is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame, though he belongs there on the basis of his playing skills.

A left-handed hitting outfielder who threw right-handed, Jackson had brief appearances with the Philadelphia Athletics in 1908 and 1909, then was traded to the Cleveland Indians and played for them briefly in 1910 before becoming a starter the following season.

A graceful outfielder with a strong throwing arm, Jackson was an exceptional hitter who never won a batting title even though he hit over .370 four times. In 1911, his first full season with Cleveland, he batted .408, yet finished second to Ty Cobb, who hit .420.

Jackson led the league with 226 hits and 26 triples in 1912, when he batted .395 and was the league leader with 197 hits, 39 doubles, and a .551 slugging percentage in 1913, when he hit .373.

After slipping to .338 in 1914, Jackson was traded to the Chicago White Sox during the 1915 season and he again led in triples with 21 in 1916. He hit .301 in the 1917 regular season and .304 in the World Series, scoring 4 runs and driving in 2 in Chicago's six-game victory over the New York Giants.

Jackson's wartime work in a shipyard limited him to just 17 games in 1918. When he returned the following season, many of the White Sox were disgruntled with owner Charles Comiskey because of their low salaries. They won the pennant again, with Jackson batting .351, but they lost the World Series to the Cincinnati Reds in eight games (at that time, the Series was a best-five-of-nine affair).

In 1920, Jackson hit .382 with a league-leading 20 triples. After the season, a grand jury investigated charges that eight of the White Sox, including Jackson, had been bribed to throw the World Series the previous year. They were indicted but acquitted of all charges. However, Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis banned them all from baseball.

If Jackson was in on the fix, he evidently reneged, because he batted .375 and made several outstanding defensive plays in the Series. And it's doubtful that he ever received any money. He returned to his South Carolina home and operated a liquor store for the rest of his life.

He ranks 3rd All-time with a .356 lifetime batting average.

 

[Sammy3469]

I post a pick in a few

 

[shuke]

Well, you guys made it pretty hard on me by picking zero of the three guys that I was looking at... so here's hoping it stays hard.

2.09 Grover Cleveland (Pete) Alexander

One of the best five pitchers in baseball history. "Ol' Pete" won 30 games each season from 1915 to 1917 and led the league in ERA five times. No other National League pitcher has surpassed his marks of 373 victories and 90 shutouts.

bump for SPOCK

Okay, Steve Carlton then.

Carlton >> Ryan

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I post a pick in a few

 

[larry_boy_44]

I post a pick in a few

:rotflmao:

 

[UCONN]

Whoa this thing is moving. Sweet. Some interesting picks. Is this the round we pick all the guys who were bannned, ? Zippy might be a steal.

 

[Funkley]

I post a pick in a few

This is why I never post before my first cup of coffee.

 

[Capella]

"Shoeless" Joe Jackson

"Everything he hit was really blessed. He could break bones with his shots. Blindfold me and I could still tell you when Joe hit the ball. It had a special crack." - Ernie Shore

"He (Shoeless Joe Jackson) was the finest natural hitter in the history of the game." - Ty Cobb

"I copied (Shoeless Joe) Jackson's style because I thought he was the greatest hitter I had ever seen, the greatest natural hitter I ever saw. He's the guy who made me a hitter." - Babe Ruth

Because of his alleged involvement in the 1919 "Black Sox Scandal," Jackson is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame, though he belongs there on the basis of his playing skills.

A left-handed hitting outfielder who threw right-handed, Jackson had brief appearances with the Philadelphia Athletics in 1908 and 1909, then was traded to the Cleveland Indians and played for them briefly in 1910 before becoming a starter the following season.

A graceful outfielder with a strong throwing arm, Jackson was an exceptional hitter who never won a batting title even though he hit over .370 four times. In 1911, his first full season with Cleveland, he batted .408, yet finished second to Ty Cobb, who hit .420.

Jackson led the league with 226 hits and 26 triples in 1912, when he batted .395 and was the league leader with 197 hits, 39 doubles, and a .551 slugging percentage in 1913, when he hit .373.

After slipping to .338 in 1914, Jackson was traded to the Chicago White Sox during the 1915 season and he again led in triples with 21 in 1916. He hit .301 in the 1917 regular season and .304 in the World Series, scoring 4 runs and driving in 2 in Chicago's six-game victory over the New York Giants.

Jackson's wartime work in a shipyard limited him to just 17 games in 1918. When he returned the following season, many of the White Sox were disgruntled with owner Charles Comiskey because of their low salaries. They won the pennant again, with Jackson batting .351, but they lost the World Series to the Cincinnati Reds in eight games (at that time, the Series was a best-five-of-nine affair).

In 1920, Jackson hit .382 with a league-leading 20 triples. After the season, a grand jury investigated charges that eight of the White Sox, including Jackson, had been bribed to throw the World Series the previous year. They were indicted but acquitted of all charges. However, Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis banned them all from baseball.

If Jackson was in on the fix, he evidently reneged, because he batted .375 and made several outstanding defensive plays in the Series. And it's doubtful that he ever received any money. He returned to his South Carolina home and operated a liquor store for the rest of his life.

He ranks 3rd All-time with a .356 lifetime batting average.

love the pick..thought about taking him, but after adding Rose I thought I better go in another direction.

 

[Sammy3469]

Amen about the coffee. I'll take Ernie Banks. 5 40-HR run seasons. 512 career HRs. 2 MVP awards. Mr. Cub.

 

[UCONN]

Amen about the coffee. I'll take Ernie Banks. 5 40-HR run seasons. 512 career HRs. 2 MVP awards. Mr. Cub.

As a Cubs homer was really hoping he'd fall. Couldn't take him in the early second....Damn you...

 

[Funkley]

Amen about the coffee.

I'll take Ernie Banks. 5 40-HR run seasons. 512 career HRs. 2 MVP awards. Mr. Cub.

Dammit!!!!!!!!! Pick before the coffee next time too please!! #1 on the short list.

 

[Politician Spock]

for some weird reason, I have this thing against taking 'modern' players, but I'd be a real dummy to pass up a 5-time Cy Young winner, 4-time ERA champ, 9-time strikeout winner, pitcher of a perfect game, World Series MVP, NL Triple Crown winner in 2002 and LEFT HANDED!!

Randy Johnson, SP

I'll put him up against Koufax, and I didn't have to pass on Babe to get him.

Koufax > Johnson, but you'd have to be a f'ing moron to think that Koufax was a good pick at 1.2 vs getting the Big Unit at 3.4.Good value pick, Cappy.

I agree. Getting Johnson at 3.4 is a great pick.As for passing on Ruth to take Koufax, allow me to continue my reasoning. First I'll reiterate my prior points:

1) Left handed pitchers perform better than expected in "Legend" leagues because the percentage of left handed hitters they will face in the "Legend" league is usually greater than the percentage of left handers they faced in real life.

2) Many of the 16 owners took "big" ballparks, including myself. Perhaps Ruth is still #1 even when playing in a season in big ballparks, but it's certainly not as clear cut as he would be if we were playing in a majority of small ballparks.

3) Koufax would have fallen lower in the draft, but not to my next pick at 2.15 (31st overall). Capella didn't answer when I asked this earlier: Could I have traded down? If so, then yes I screwed up.

And now to my next point:

A team in a 162 game season has around 5500 to 6000 offensive plate appearances. The teams they face have just as many. That's 11000 to 12000 moments for the players we draft to influence the season. Batters are only involved in 600-700 plate appearances a season. Pitchers who pitch over 300 innings in a season are involved in 1200-1400 plate appearances a season. While Ruth may have a greater per moment impact than a guy like Koufax, Ruth's per moment impact will only be felt in about 5.5% of your team's moments. Koufax's per moment impact will be felt in about 11% of those moments. So it really comes down to preference. The overwhelming conventional wisdom seems to be Ruth over Koufax. Perhaps this has to do with what someone mentioned earlier, that they would rather draft a guy who plays everyday than one who plays once every four days. Personally I'd rather have my most valuable guys influencing my season as many times as possible, than cutting their opportunities in half just so they can play in every game. This goes along with the theory that good pitching stops good hitting. This is why my first three picks have all been pitchers. By doing so I've already covered nearly 33% of the moments my team will be involved in, which allows me to select more "specialized" players with my remaining picks. Again, I'm buidling a "team", not a Hall of Fame.

Now a batter can make up for their lack of moments by being a fantastic defensive player as well and creating outs for the other team. That could make them more valuable than a 300 inning pitcher because they make all your pitchers even better. Or VBD can play apart if the player plays a position that there isn't much value at. I don't think Ruth qualifies for either of those.

 

[Koya]

"Shoeless" Joe Jackson

"Everything he hit was really blessed. He could break bones with his shots. Blindfold me and I could still tell you when Joe hit the ball. It had a special crack." - Ernie Shore

"He (Shoeless Joe Jackson) was the finest natural hitter in the history of the game." - Ty Cobb

"I copied (Shoeless Joe) Jackson's style because I thought he was the greatest hitter I had ever seen, the greatest natural hitter I ever saw. He's the guy who made me a hitter." - Babe Ruth

Because of his alleged involvement in the 1919 "Black Sox Scandal," Jackson is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame, though he belongs there on the basis of his playing skills.

A left-handed hitting outfielder who threw right-handed, Jackson had brief appearances with the Philadelphia Athletics in 1908 and 1909, then was traded to the Cleveland Indians and played for them briefly in 1910 before becoming a starter the following season.

A graceful outfielder with a strong throwing arm, Jackson was an exceptional hitter who never won a batting title even though he hit over .370 four times. In 1911, his first full season with Cleveland, he batted .408, yet finished second to Ty Cobb, who hit .420.

Jackson led the league with 226 hits and 26 triples in 1912, when he batted .395 and was the league leader with 197 hits, 39 doubles, and a .551 slugging percentage in 1913, when he hit .373.

After slipping to .338 in 1914, Jackson was traded to the Chicago White Sox during the 1915 season and he again led in triples with 21 in 1916. He hit .301 in the 1917 regular season and .304 in the World Series, scoring 4 runs and driving in 2 in Chicago's six-game victory over the New York Giants.

Jackson's wartime work in a shipyard limited him to just 17 games in 1918. When he returned the following season, many of the White Sox were disgruntled with owner Charles Comiskey because of their low salaries. They won the pennant again, with Jackson batting .351, but they lost the World Series to the Cincinnati Reds in eight games (at that time, the Series was a best-five-of-nine affair).

In 1920, Jackson hit .382 with a league-leading 20 triples. After the season, a grand jury investigated charges that eight of the White Sox, including Jackson, had been bribed to throw the World Series the previous year. They were indicted but acquitted of all charges. However, Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis banned them all from baseball.

If Jackson was in on the fix, he evidently reneged, because he batted .375 and made several outstanding defensive plays in the Series. And it's doubtful that he ever received any money. He returned to his South Carolina home and operated a liquor store for the rest of his life.

He ranks 3rd All-time with a .356 lifetime batting average.

love the pick..thought about taking him, but after adding Rose I thought I better go in another direction.

one cheat for another, eh?

 

[Capella]

sorry Spock..trading down wasn't discussed in the rules thread, and would be sort of difficult to pull off, so no..I don't think you could have moved down.

 

[Capella]

"Shoeless" Joe Jackson

"Everything he hit was really blessed. He could break bones with his shots. Blindfold me and I could still tell you when Joe hit the ball. It had a special crack." - Ernie Shore

"He (Shoeless Joe Jackson) was the finest natural hitter in the history of the game." - Ty Cobb

"I copied (Shoeless Joe) Jackson's style because I thought he was the greatest hitter I had ever seen, the greatest natural hitter I ever saw. He's the guy who made me a hitter." - Babe Ruth

Because of his alleged involvement in the 1919 "Black Sox Scandal," Jackson is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame, though he belongs there on the basis of his playing skills.

A left-handed hitting outfielder who threw right-handed, Jackson had brief appearances with the Philadelphia Athletics in 1908 and 1909, then was traded to the Cleveland Indians and played for them briefly in 1910 before becoming a starter the following season.

A graceful outfielder with a strong throwing arm, Jackson was an exceptional hitter who never won a batting title even though he hit over .370 four times. In 1911, his first full season with Cleveland, he batted .408, yet finished second to Ty Cobb, who hit .420.

Jackson led the league with 226 hits and 26 triples in 1912, when he batted .395 and was the league leader with 197 hits, 39 doubles, and a .551 slugging percentage in 1913, when he hit .373.

After slipping to .338 in 1914, Jackson was traded to the Chicago White Sox during the 1915 season and he again led in triples with 21 in 1916. He hit .301 in the 1917 regular season and .304 in the World Series, scoring 4 runs and driving in 2 in Chicago's six-game victory over the New York Giants.

Jackson's wartime work in a shipyard limited him to just 17 games in 1918. When he returned the following season, many of the White Sox were disgruntled with owner Charles Comiskey because of their low salaries. They won the pennant again, with Jackson batting .351, but they lost the World Series to the Cincinnati Reds in eight games (at that time, the Series was a best-five-of-nine affair).

In 1920, Jackson hit .382 with a league-leading 20 triples. After the season, a grand jury investigated charges that eight of the White Sox, including Jackson, had been bribed to throw the World Series the previous year. They were indicted but acquitted of all charges. However, Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis banned them all from baseball.

If Jackson was in on the fix, he evidently reneged, because he batted .375 and made several outstanding defensive plays in the Series. And it's doubtful that he ever received any money. He returned to his South Carolina home and operated a liquor store for the rest of his life.

He ranks 3rd All-time with a .356 lifetime batting average.

love the pick..thought about taking him, but after adding Rose I thought I better go in another direction.

one cheat for another, eh?

why not?

 

[UCONN]

I love seeing how the actual teams shape up around now....you can see who'se going to have a great rotation, whose got the heart of their order covered, who got a great lead-off man to set the table, ect. and then start to wonder how they'll fill their team out. Spock makes some good points. I think 5th and 6th tier pitching will be closer to tier 1 pitching than 5th and 6th tier hitting will be to tier 1 hitting....jmho and that's why I've went w/ two of the better bats (though their range in my rather large of also played a part in their selection) early. Building a top notch pitching staff (particularly in a park where small ball will become the rule like in Spock's) is certainly a viable strategy.

 

[Funkley]

for some weird reason, I have this thing against taking 'modern' players, but I'd be a real dummy to pass up a 5-time Cy Young winner, 4-time ERA champ, 9-time strikeout winner, pitcher of a perfect game, World Series MVP, NL Triple Crown winner in 2002 and LEFT HANDED!!

Randy Johnson, SP

I'll put him up against Koufax, and I didn't have to pass on Babe to get him.

Koufax > Johnson, but you'd have to be a f'ing moron to think that Koufax was a good pick at 1.2 vs getting the Big Unit at 3.4.Good value pick, Cappy.

I agree. Getting Johnson at 3.4 is a great pick.As for passing on Ruth to take Koufax, allow me to continue my reasoning. First I'll reiterate my prior points:

1) Left handed pitchers perform better than expected in "Legend" leagues because the percentage of left handed hitters they will face in the "Legend" league is usually greater than the percentage of left handers they faced in real life.

2) Many of the 16 owners took "big" ballparks, including myself. Perhaps Ruth is still #1 even when playing in a season in big ballparks, but it's certainly not as clear cut as he would be if we were playing in a majority of small ballparks.

3) Koufax would have fallen lower in the draft, but not to my next pick at 2.15 (31st overall). Capella didn't answer when I asked this earlier: Could I have traded down? If so, then yes I screwed up.

And now to my next point:

A team in a 162 game season has around 5500 to 6000 offensive plate appearances. The teams they face have just as many. That's 11000 to 12000 moments for the players we draft to influence the season. Batters are only involved in 600-700 plate appearances a season. Pitchers who pitch over 300 innings in a season are involved in 1200-1400 plate appearances a season. While Ruth may have a greater per moment impact than a guy like Koufax, Ruth's per moment impact will only be felt in about 5.5% of your team's moments. Koufax's per moment impact will be felt in about 11% of those moments. So it really comes down to preference. The overwhelming conventional wisdom seems to be Ruth over Koufax. Perhaps this has to do with what someone mentioned earlier, that they would rather draft a guy who plays everyday than one who plays once every four days. Personally I'd rather have my most valuable guys influencing my season as many times as possible, than cutting their opportunities in half just so they can play in every game. This goes along with the theory that good pitching stops good hitting. This is why my first three picks have all been pitchers. By doing so I've already covered nearly 33% of the moments my team will be involved in, which allows me to select more "specialized" players with my remaining picks. Again, I'm buidling a "team", not a Hall of Fame.

Now a batter can make up for their lack of moments by being a fantastic defensive player as well and creating outs for the other team. That could make them more valuable than a 300 inning pitcher because they make all your pitchers even better. Or VBD can play apart if the player plays a position that there isn't much value at. I don't think Ruth qualifies for either of those.

Jackson always claimed that he took the money but didn't cheat. He was known for being an imbicile on his best day so he was likely tricked into going along with the cheating. He was the best hitter in the WS that year hitting .375 with 6 runs batted in and the only home run hit by either team. But he admitted to taking the money.EDIT: This was suposed to be attached to Joe Jackson.

 

[Politician Spock]

Well, you guys made it pretty hard on me by picking zero of the three guys that I was looking at... so here's hoping it stays hard.

2.09 Grover Cleveland (Pete) Alexander

One of the best five pitchers in baseball history. "Ol' Pete" won 30 games each season from 1915 to 1917 and led the league in ERA five times. No other National League pitcher has surpassed his marks of 373 victories and 90 shutouts.

bump for SPOCK

Okay, Steve Carlton then.

Carlton >> Ryan

I agree.

 

[larry_boy_44]

so... quick question...If a player played 100 games in Outfield, can I only play him where he played in Outfield or anywhere?Is it 100 games in Outfiled or 100 games at Left Field?

 

[Funkley]

so... quick question...If a player played 100 games in Outfield, can I only play him where he played in Outfield or anywhere?Is it 100 games in Outfiled or 100 games at Left Field?

My understanding is that they can be used anywhere they played 100 games.

 

[Koya]

"Shoeless" Joe Jackson

"Everything he hit was really blessed. He could break bones with his shots. Blindfold me and I could still tell you when Joe hit the ball. It had a special crack." - Ernie Shore

"He (Shoeless Joe Jackson) was the finest natural hitter in the history of the game." - Ty Cobb

"I copied (Shoeless Joe) Jackson's style because I thought he was the greatest hitter I had ever seen, the greatest natural hitter I ever saw. He's the guy who made me a hitter." - Babe Ruth

Because of his alleged involvement in the 1919 "Black Sox Scandal," Jackson is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame, though he belongs there on the basis of his playing skills.

A left-handed hitting outfielder who threw right-handed, Jackson had brief appearances with the Philadelphia Athletics in 1908 and 1909, then was traded to the Cleveland Indians and played for them briefly in 1910 before becoming a starter the following season.

A graceful outfielder with a strong throwing arm, Jackson was an exceptional hitter who never won a batting title even though he hit over .370 four times. In 1911, his first full season with Cleveland, he batted .408, yet finished second to Ty Cobb, who hit .420.

Jackson led the league with 226 hits and 26 triples in 1912, when he batted .395 and was the league leader with 197 hits, 39 doubles, and a .551 slugging percentage in 1913, when he hit .373.

After slipping to .338 in 1914, Jackson was traded to the Chicago White Sox during the 1915 season and he again led in triples with 21 in 1916. He hit .301 in the 1917 regular season and .304 in the World Series, scoring 4 runs and driving in 2 in Chicago's six-game victory over the New York Giants.

Jackson's wartime work in a shipyard limited him to just 17 games in 1918. When he returned the following season, many of the White Sox were disgruntled with owner Charles Comiskey because of their low salaries. They won the pennant again, with Jackson batting .351, but they lost the World Series to the Cincinnati Reds in eight games (at that time, the Series was a best-five-of-nine affair).

In 1920, Jackson hit .382 with a league-leading 20 triples. After the season, a grand jury investigated charges that eight of the White Sox, including Jackson, had been bribed to throw the World Series the previous year. They were indicted but acquitted of all charges. However, Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis banned them all from baseball.

If Jackson was in on the fix, he evidently reneged, because he batted .375 and made several outstanding defensive plays in the Series. And it's doubtful that he ever received any money. He returned to his South Carolina home and operated a liquor store for the rest of his life.

He ranks 3rd All-time with a .356 lifetime batting average.

love the pick..thought about taking him, but after adding Rose I thought I better go in another direction.

one cheat for another, eh?

why not?

Just busting balls. Shoeless was a great player... although it is questionable whether or not he was culpable to some degree in the scandal, I dont see the proof and think he should be in the hall.Rose was a hard nosed player... and one of the best EVER competitors. But I do not think he is as great a ballplayer as a number of others out there. A bulldog of a compiler imo. And one that has enough proof against him NOT to ever make the hall.