***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (1 Viewer)

[Doug B]

Yeah ... UCONN will take:

SP J.R. Richard

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[Capella]

11.16George Van HaltrenBats: L Throws: LPlayed: 1887-1903Lived: 1866-1945Played For: Chicago White Stockings (1887-1889), Brooklyn Ward's Wonders (1890), Baltimore Orioles (1891-1892), Pittsburgh Pirates (1892-1893), New York Giants (1894-1903)Pitching stats: 1887 21 CHC NL 11 7 20 18 18 1 1 1 161.0 177 113 69 7 66 76 16 9 722 3.86 4.45 115 1888 22 CHC NL 13 13 30 24 24 4 6 1 245.7 263 149 96 15 60 139 13 21 1057 3.52 3.00 85 1890 24 BWW PL 15 10 28 25 23 0 3 2 223.0 272 190 106 8 89 48 19 11 1064 4.28 4.44 104Best Years: 1896 30 NYG NL 133 562 136 197 18 21 5 74 39 55 36 .351 .410 .484 272 4 2 1895 29 NYG NL 131 521 113 177 23 19 8 103 32 57 29 .340 .408 .503 262 6 3 1893 27 PIT NL 124 529 129 179 14 11 3 79 37 75 25 .338 .422 .423 224 2 1894 28 NYG NL 137 519 109 172 22 4 7 104 43 55 22 .331 .400 .430 223 4 1890 24 BWW PL 92 376 84 126 8 9 5 54 35 41 23 .335 .405 .444 167 3 Awards/Accompishments:Not in the Hall of Fame.316/.365/.4172532 hits583 Stolen Bases69 Home Runs (that's a lot back then)39-30 record as a pitcherGreat player, could possibly go into the #3 spot and give me 4 guys leading off with +.300/+.400 BA/OB% leading off my lineup, or I might put him in the backend of the lineup just 'cuz lol...either way... I like this pick a lot...

so who told you about this guy?

 

[larry_boy_44]

11.16George Van HaltrenBats: L Throws: LPlayed: 1887-1903Lived: 1866-1945Played For: Chicago White Stockings (1887-1889), Brooklyn Ward's Wonders (1890), Baltimore Orioles (1891-1892), Pittsburgh Pirates (1892-1893), New York Giants (1894-1903)Pitching stats: 1887 21 CHC NL 11 7 20 18 18 1 1 1 161.0 177 113 69 7 66 76 16 9 722 3.86 4.45 115 1888 22 CHC NL 13 13 30 24 24 4 6 1 245.7 263 149 96 15 60 139 13 21 1057 3.52 3.00 85 1890 24 BWW PL 15 10 28 25 23 0 3 2 223.0 272 190 106 8 89 48 19 11 1064 4.28 4.44 104Best Years: 1896 30 NYG NL 133 562 136 197 18 21 5 74 39 55 36 .351 .410 .484 272 4 2 1895 29 NYG NL 131 521 113 177 23 19 8 103 32 57 29 .340 .408 .503 262 6 3 1893 27 PIT NL 124 529 129 179 14 11 3 79 37 75 25 .338 .422 .423 224 2 1894 28 NYG NL 137 519 109 172 22 4 7 104 43 55 22 .331 .400 .430 223 4 1890 24 BWW PL 92 376 84 126 8 9 5 54 35 41 23 .335 .405 .444 167 3 Awards/Accompishments:Not in the Hall of Fame.316/.365/.4172532 hits583 Stolen Bases69 Home Runs (that's a lot back then)39-30 record as a pitcherGreat player, could possibly go into the #3 spot and give me 4 guys leading off with +.300/+.400 BA/OB% leading off my lineup, or I might put him in the backend of the lineup just 'cuz lol...either way... I like this pick a lot...

so who told you about this guy?

no one...

 

[Capella]

11.16George Van HaltrenBats: L Throws: LPlayed: 1887-1903Lived: 1866-1945Played For: Chicago White Stockings (1887-1889), Brooklyn Ward's Wonders (1890), Baltimore Orioles (1891-1892), Pittsburgh Pirates (1892-1893), New York Giants (1894-1903)Pitching stats: 1887 21 CHC NL  11  7  20  18  18  1  1  1  161.0  177  113  69  7  66  76  16  9  722  3.86  4.45  115 1888 22 CHC NL  13  13  30  24  24  4  6  1  245.7  263  149  96  15  60  139  13  21  1057  3.52  3.00  85 1890 24 BWW PL  15  10  28  25  23  0  3  2  223.0  272  190  106  8  89  48  19  11  1064  4.28  4.44  104Best Years: 1896 30 NYG NL 133  562  136  197  18 21  5  74  39    55  36  .351  .410  .484  272  4          2 1895 29 NYG NL 131  521  113  177  23 19  8  103  32    57  29  .340  .408  .503  262  6          3    1893 27 PIT NL 124  529  129  179  14 11  3  79  37    75  25  .338  .422  .423  224              2    1894 28 NYG NL 137  519  109  172  22  4  7  104  43    55  22  .331  .400  .430  223              4    1890 24 BWW PL  92  376  84  126  8  9  5  54  35    41  23  .335  .405  .444  167              3  Awards/Accompishments:Not in the Hall of Fame.316/.365/.4172532 hits583 Stolen Bases69 Home Runs (that's a lot back then)39-30 record as a pitcherGreat player, could possibly go into the #3 spot and give me 4 guys leading off with +.300/+.400 BA/OB% leading off my lineup, or I might put him in the backend of the lineup just 'cuz lol...either way... I like this pick a lot...

so who told you about this guy?

no one...

come on now..

 

[Mr. Pickles]

isn't anyone else bothered by the stolen base numbers of some of these early era guys? i mean, getting a SB for taking another base on a hit ball? cheap as hell.

 

[10993]

Kraft is upnext: funkleyKoyaBogartDoug B

 

[larry_boy_44]

11.16George Van HaltrenBats: L Throws: LPlayed: 1887-1903Lived: 1866-1945Played For: Chicago White Stockings (1887-1889), Brooklyn Ward's Wonders (1890), Baltimore Orioles (1891-1892), Pittsburgh Pirates (1892-1893), New York Giants (1894-1903)Pitching stats: 1887 21 CHC NL  11   7  20  18  18   1   1  1  161.0  177  113   69   7   66   76  16   9   722  3.86  4.45  115 1888 22 CHC NL  13  13  30  24  24   4   6  1  245.7  263  149   96  15   60  139  13  21  1057  3.52  3.00   85 1890 24 BWW PL  15  10  28  25  23   0   3  2  223.0  272  190  106   8   89   48  19  11  1064  4.28  4.44  104Best Years: 1896 30 NYG NL 133  562  136  197  18 21   5   74  39     55  36  .351  .410  .484  272   4           2 1895 29 NYG NL 131  521  113  177  23 19   8  103  32     57  29  .340  .408  .503  262   6           3    1893 27 PIT NL 124  529  129  179  14 11   3   79  37     75  25  .338  .422  .423  224               2    1894 28 NYG NL 137  519  109  172  22  4   7  104  43     55  22  .331  .400  .430  223               4    1890 24 BWW PL  92  376   84  126   8  9   5   54  35     41  23  .335  .405  .444  167               3  Awards/Accompishments:Not in the Hall of Fame.316/.365/.4172532 hits583 Stolen Bases69 Home Runs (that's a lot back then)39-30 record as a pitcherGreat player, could possibly go into the #3 spot and give me 4 guys leading off with +.300/+.400 BA/OB% leading off my lineup, or I might put him in the backend of the lineup just 'cuz lol...either way... I like this pick a lot...

so who told you about this guy?

no one...

come on now..

:rotflmao: for real, I didn't talk to anyone...

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

12.1Dwight GoodenThrows: R Bats: Rplayed: 1984-1994, 1996-2000lived: 1964-currentplayed for: New York Mets (1984-1994), New York Yankees (1996-1997, 2000), Cleveland Indians (1997, 1998), Houston Astros (2000), Tampa Bay Devil Rays (2000)Best years: 1985 20 NYM NL 24 4 35 35 16 8 0 0 276.7 198 51 47 13 69 268 2 6 1065 1.53 3.45 226 1984 19 NYM NL 17 9 31 31 7 3 0 0 218.0 161 72 63 7 73 276 2 3 879 2.60 3.56 137 1986 21 NYM NL 17 6 33 33 12 2 0 0 250.0 197 92 79 17 80 200 4 4 1020 2.84 3.54 124 1987 22 NYM NL 15 7 25 25 7 3 0 0 179.7 162 68 64 11 53 148 2 1 730 3.21 3.80 119 1998 33 CLE AL 8 6 23 23 0 0 0 0 134.0 135 59 56 13 51 83 9 3 580 3.76 4.80 127Awards/Accomplishments:Rookie of the Year (1984)1 Time Cy Young Award Winner (1985)Top Ten Cy Young Award 4 other times (1984, 196, 1987, 1990)1 time Triple Crown Winner (1985)top 10 MVP 1 time (1985)4 time All Star (1984-1986, 1988)Led League in ERA 1 time (1985)Top Five ERA 4 other times (1984, 1986, 1987)Led League in Wins 1 time (1985)Top Five Wins 5 other times (1984, 1986-1988, 1990)Led League in Ks twice (1984, 1985)Led League in Walks & Hits/9I, Hits/9I, K/9I, Ks, 2nd in ERA, 2nd in Cy Young Voting, 4th in Shutouts, 9th in Complete Games, 2nd in Adjusted ERA, 3rd in Wins all while being a Rookie and the Youngest Player in MLB in 1984 (also his 3rd best season according to WIS)He was a great player, unfortunately he let drugs get in the way of that... He would be in the hall if he didn't stop playing due to drugs, and, quite frankly, drugs are the only reason he is not in the hall today...He was hte best in the league in '84 and '85... you could argue he was the best in '86-'88 and '90, too... all great seasons...It is really unfortunate to see a guy fall like he did, but when he played, he was truly an all-time great, and, if it wasn't for the drugs, he easily would have been a pick in the first 3-5 rounds of this draft...

So, do you think his downfall was due to drug use? That probably is why he isn't in the HOF today.

 

[Koya]

Kraft is upnext: funkleyKoyaBogartDoug B

where did funk go, im outta here in 5 min, but will pm a pick if he doesnt go. post if funk.

 

[Funkley]

Kraft is upnext: funkleyKoyaBogartDoug B

where did funk go, im outta here in 5 min, but will pm a pick if he doesnt go. post if funk.

Here. Just waiting on Kraft. Wish I knew who I was taking though......

 

[Koya]

Kraft is upnext: funkleyKoyaBogartDoug B

where did funk go, im outta here in 5 min, but will pm a pick if he doesnt go. post if funk.

Here. Just waiting on Kraft. Wish I knew who I was taking though......

oh my mistake funk, though tyou were up. Thought I was next.

 

[Bogart]

Kraft is upnext: funkleyKoyaBogartDoug B

where did funk go, im outta here in 5 min, but will pm a pick if he doesnt go. post if funk.

Here. Just waiting on Kraft. Wish I knew who I was taking though......

might I suggest an Iorg brother??

 

[larry_boy_44]

12.1Dwight GoodenThrows: R Bats: Rplayed: 1984-1994, 1996-2000lived: 1964-currentplayed for: New York Mets (1984-1994), New York Yankees (1996-1997, 2000), Cleveland Indians (1997, 1998), Houston Astros (2000), Tampa Bay Devil Rays (2000)Best years: 1985 20 NYM NL  24  4  35  35  16  8  0  0  276.7  198  51  47  13  69  268  2  6  1065  1.53  3.45  226 1984 19 NYM NL  17  9  31  31  7  3  0  0  218.0  161  72  63  7  73  276  2  3  879  2.60  3.56  137 1986 21 NYM NL  17  6  33  33  12  2  0  0  250.0  197  92  79  17  80  200  4  4  1020  2.84  3.54  124 1987 22 NYM NL  15  7  25  25  7  3  0  0  179.7  162  68  64  11  53  148  2  1  730  3.21  3.80  119 1998 33 CLE AL  8  6  23  23  0  0  0  0  134.0  135  59  56  13  51  83  9  3  580  3.76  4.80  127Awards/Accomplishments:Rookie of the Year (1984)1 Time Cy Young Award Winner (1985)Top Ten Cy Young Award 4 other times (1984, 196, 1987, 1990)1 time Triple Crown Winner (1985)top 10 MVP 1 time (1985)4 time All Star (1984-1986, 1988)Led League in ERA 1 time (1985)Top Five ERA 4 other times (1984, 1986, 1987)Led League in Wins 1 time (1985)Top Five Wins 5 other times (1984, 1986-1988, 1990)Led League in Ks twice (1984, 1985)Led League in Walks & Hits/9I, Hits/9I, K/9I, Ks, 2nd in ERA, 2nd in Cy Young Voting, 4th in Shutouts, 9th in Complete Games, 2nd in Adjusted ERA, 3rd in Wins all while being a Rookie and the Youngest Player in MLB in 1984 (also his 3rd best season according to WIS)He was a great player, unfortunately he let drugs get in the way of that... He would be in the hall if he didn't stop playing due to drugs, and, quite frankly, drugs are the only reason he is not in the hall today...He was hte best in the league in '84 and '85... you could argue he was the best in '86-'88 and '90, too... all great seasons...It is really unfortunate to see a guy fall like he did, but when he played, he was truly an all-time great, and, if it wasn't for the drugs, he easily would have been a pick in the first 3-5 rounds of this draft...

So, do you think his downfall was due to drug use? That probably is why he isn't in the HOF today.

I think the drug abuse/addiction absolutely hurt his career... it would hurt anyone, especially at the level he did...I mean, look at his career, and even with that career he is known more for the drug use than he is for the baseball career...I mean, really, are there any other triple crown winners who aren't in the Hall of Fame? That one season alone should get him a free pass into the hall, especially since he had 5 other good to great seasons (84, 86-88 especially) and he's not in the hall??so, yeah, I think the drugs were his downfall and that he would be in the hall if anything other than drugs had been his downfall...by the way, does anyone know if he's still doing them? Did he quit in 1995 when he didn't play for a year? just curious... 'cuz I think if he did honestly stop. he should be allowed in the hall now...

 

[Kraft...]

With pick #4 in round 12 the Curse Reversing Idiots Select:

Cap Anson 1B/3B/C

Let me know if he's been taken, My list has been unreliable a couple times.

 

[Funkley]

Kraft is upnext: funkleyKoyaBogartDoug B

where did funk go, im outta here in 5 min, but will pm a pick if he doesnt go. post if funk.

Here. Just waiting on Kraft. Wish I knew who I was taking though......

might I suggest an Iorg brother??

Garth would be a nice name to add to the collection. Ty, Luis, Rube, Goose....Garth.

 

[Bogart]

With pick #4 in round 12 the Curse Reversing Idiots Select:

Cap Anson 1B/3B/C

Let me know if he's been taken, My list has been unreliable a couple times.

taken

 

[Nipsey]

With pick #4 in round 12 the Curse Reversing Idiots Select:

Cap Anson 1B/3B/C

Let me know if he's been taken, My list has been unreliable a couple times.

6 95 Spock OF Cap Anson

 

[Koya]

Larry - check pms, I sent you my list.

 

[Capella]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

 

[Koya]

I sent my picks to larry since there arent many who just went... be back in an hour.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Larry - check pms, I sent you my list.

I got it...

 

[Capella]

12.1Dwight GoodenThrows: R Bats: Rplayed: 1984-1994, 1996-2000lived: 1964-currentplayed for: New York Mets (1984-1994), New York Yankees (1996-1997, 2000), Cleveland Indians (1997, 1998), Houston Astros (2000), Tampa Bay Devil Rays (2000)Best years: 1985 20 NYM NL  24   4  35  35  16   8   0  0  276.7  198   51   47  13   69  268   2   6  1065  1.53  3.45  226 1984 19 NYM NL  17   9  31  31   7   3   0  0  218.0  161   72   63   7   73  276   2   3   879  2.60  3.56  137 1986 21 NYM NL  17   6  33  33  12   2   0  0  250.0  197   92   79  17   80  200   4   4  1020  2.84  3.54  124 1987 22 NYM NL  15   7  25  25   7   3   0  0  179.7  162   68   64  11   53  148   2   1   730  3.21  3.80  119 1998 33 CLE AL   8   6  23  23   0   0   0  0  134.0  135   59   56  13   51   83   9   3   580  3.76  4.80  127Awards/Accomplishments:Rookie of the Year (1984)1 Time Cy Young Award Winner (1985)Top Ten Cy Young Award 4 other times (1984, 196, 1987, 1990)1 time Triple Crown Winner (1985)top 10 MVP 1 time (1985)4 time All Star (1984-1986, 1988)Led League in ERA 1 time (1985)Top Five ERA 4 other times (1984, 1986, 1987)Led League in Wins 1 time (1985)Top Five Wins 5 other times (1984, 1986-1988, 1990)Led League in Ks twice (1984, 1985)Led League in Walks & Hits/9I, Hits/9I, K/9I, Ks, 2nd in ERA, 2nd in Cy Young Voting, 4th in Shutouts, 9th in Complete Games, 2nd in Adjusted ERA, 3rd in Wins all while being a Rookie and the Youngest Player in MLB in 1984 (also his 3rd best season according to WIS)He was a great player, unfortunately he let drugs get in the way of that... He would be in the hall if he didn't stop playing due to drugs, and, quite frankly, drugs are the only reason he is not in the hall today...He was hte best in the league in '84 and '85... you could argue he was the best in '86-'88 and '90, too... all great seasons...It is really unfortunate to see a guy fall like he did, but when he played, he was truly an all-time great, and, if it wasn't for the drugs, he easily would have been a pick in the first 3-5 rounds of this draft...

So, do you think his downfall was due to drug use? That probably is why he isn't in the HOF today.

I think the drug abuse/addiction absolutely hurt his career... it would hurt anyone, especially at the level he did...I mean, look at his career, and even with that career he is known more for the drug use than he is for the baseball career...I mean, really, are there any other triple crown winners who aren't in the Hall of Fame? That one season alone should get him a free pass into the hall, especially since he had 5 other good to great seasons (84, 86-88 especially) and he's not in the hall??so, yeah, I think the drugs were his downfall and that he would be in the hall if anything other than drugs had been his downfall...by the way, does anyone know if he's still doing them? Did he quit in 1995 when he didn't play for a year? just curious... 'cuz I think if he did honestly stop. he should be allowed in the hall now...

last I heard, he's not doing them now, and there's no way in hell he's a Hall of Fame pitcher.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

he won a triple crown...how many times has that happened in MLB history?besides, if the drugs started affecting his play in 1988 and really destroyed it in 1990, it could have been the drugs that did it...and you could easily argue that, if he started using/abusing badly in 1988 that the drugs were the cause of his downfall and without them he would be one of the best ever based on his first 2 seasons...and 1988 and 1990 were still very good seasons... and 1997 was even good...

 

[Nipsey]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

I was in a box at Yankee Stadium for Gooden's no-no in '96. It was my birthday as well. Good times!

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

People, I think, discount the overuse factor. He pitched 218 innings as a 20 year old rookie and 276 innings as a 21 year old.Ouch.

 

[Funkley]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

Hard for power pitchers to keep it going for very long. For every nolan Ryan there are several Gooden's who flame out. Like you say, we'll never know how good he could have been if he had taken better care of himself.

 

[Funkley]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

People, I think, discount the overuse factor. He pitched 218 innings as a 20 year old rookie and 276 innings as a 21 year old.Ouch.

Another great point.

 

[Capella]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

he won a triple crown...how many times has that happened in MLB history?besides, if the drugs started affecting his play in 1988 and really destroyed it in 1990, it could have been the drugs that did it...and you could easily argue that, if he started using/abusing badly in 1988 that the drugs were the cause of his downfall and without them he would be one of the best ever based on his first 2 seasons...and 1988 and 1990 were still very good seasons... and 1997 was even good...

who cares..one year does not get you into the Hall.there's a lot of proof of that.. *, for example.

 

[Capella]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

People, I think, discount the overuse factor. He pitched 218 innings as a 20 year old rookie and 276 innings as a 21 year old.Ouch.

definitely a factor..276 innings was absurd..but that just follows along what I'm saying.great start to his career, pretty good in the middle, just average or worse after 1990.

 

[Politician Spock]

Hard for power pitchers to keep it going for very long. For every Nolan Ryan there are several Gooden's who flame out. Like you say, we'll never know how good he could have been if he had taken better care of himself.

Please feel free to use my players as bench marks of long term success.

 

[Bogart]

Might as well throw mine out thereossible Lineup:Henderson - RHamiliton - LHornsby - RReggie - LTraynor - RTerry - LRipken - RCochrane - LPitcherI have another lineup in mind where Hamiliton leads off and Reggie hits lower in the lineup, but this one would do it we started today.

 

[Capella]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

he won a triple crown...how many times has that happened in MLB history?besides, if the drugs started affecting his play in 1988 and really destroyed it in 1990, it could have been the drugs that did it...and you could easily argue that, if he started using/abusing badly in 1988 that the drugs were the cause of his downfall and without them he would be one of the best ever based on his first 2 seasons...and 1988 and 1990 were still very good seasons... and 1997 was even good...

you really seem to stretch this 'best-ever' stuff into just about every pick you make..Dwight had a tremendous first-3 years to his career..after that, he slowed down and never showed any signs of going that route again.Was it the drugs? Was it the over-working? Was it a lack of desire? Whatever it was, there is absolutely nothing after 1986 to suggest this guy was going to go down on any 'best-ever' lists. Very good..sure. Even to be considered for best ever..not a prayer. Even if he stayed drug-free. His arm was wearing down when he was 24.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Might as well throw mine out thereossible Lineup:Henderson - RHamiliton - LHornsby - RReggie - LTraynor - RTerry - LRipken - RCochrane - LPitcherI have another lineup in mind where Hamiliton leads off and Reggie hits lower in the lineup, but this one would do it we started today.

Obsessed with the alternating hitters or what?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

Those first few years, he was God. Not a god. God himself.Then he snorted all of his talent up his nose.

 

[Kraft...]

With pick #4 in round 12 the Curse Reversing Idiots Select:

Cap Anson 1B/3B/C

Let me know if he's been taken, My list has been unreliable a couple times.

6 95 Spock OF Cap Anson

OK give me a few, just out of a meetingIs Babe Ruth available?

 

[Capella]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

Those first few years, he was God. Not a god. God himself.Then he snorted all of his talent up his nose.

hey, I watched every game I could on WWOR..I was there in spirit bro.

 

[Funkley]

Is Babe Ruth available?

Taken

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

12.1Dwight GoodenThrows: R Bats: Rplayed: 1984-1994, 1996-2000lived: 1964-currentplayed for: New York Mets (1984-1994), New York Yankees (1996-1997, 2000), Cleveland Indians (1997, 1998), Houston Astros (2000), Tampa Bay Devil Rays (2000)Best years: 1985 20 NYM NL  24   4  35  35  16   8   0  0  276.7  198   51   47  13   69  268   2   6  1065  1.53  3.45  226 1984 19 NYM NL  17   9  31  31   7   3   0  0  218.0  161   72   63   7   73  276   2   3   879  2.60  3.56  137 1986 21 NYM NL  17   6  33  33  12   2   0  0  250.0  197   92   79  17   80  200   4   4  1020  2.84  3.54  124 1987 22 NYM NL  15   7  25  25   7   3   0  0  179.7  162   68   64  11   53  148   2   1   730  3.21  3.80  119 1998 33 CLE AL   8   6  23  23   0   0   0  0  134.0  135   59   56  13   51   83   9   3   580  3.76  4.80  127Awards/Accomplishments:Rookie of the Year (1984)1 Time Cy Young Award Winner (1985)Top Ten Cy Young Award 4 other times (1984, 196, 1987, 1990)1 time Triple Crown Winner (1985)top 10 MVP 1 time (1985)4 time All Star (1984-1986, 1988)Led League in ERA 1 time (1985)Top Five ERA 4 other times (1984, 1986, 1987)Led League in Wins 1 time (1985)Top Five Wins 5 other times (1984, 1986-1988, 1990)Led League in Ks twice (1984, 1985)Led League in Walks & Hits/9I, Hits/9I, K/9I, Ks, 2nd in ERA, 2nd in Cy Young Voting, 4th in Shutouts, 9th in Complete Games, 2nd in Adjusted ERA, 3rd in Wins all while being a Rookie and the Youngest Player in MLB in 1984 (also his 3rd best season according to WIS)He was a great player, unfortunately he let drugs get in the way of that... He would be in the hall if he didn't stop playing due to drugs, and, quite frankly, drugs are the only reason he is not in the hall today...He was hte best in the league in '84 and '85... you could argue he was the best in '86-'88 and '90, too... all great seasons...It is really unfortunate to see a guy fall like he did, but when he played, he was truly an all-time great, and, if it wasn't for the drugs, he easily would have been a pick in the first 3-5 rounds of this draft...

So, do you think his downfall was due to drug use? That probably is why he isn't in the HOF today.

I think the drug abuse/addiction absolutely hurt his career... it would hurt anyone, especially at the level he did...I mean, look at his career, and even with that career he is known more for the drug use than he is for the baseball career...I mean, really, are there any other triple crown winners who aren't in the Hall of Fame? That one season alone should get him a free pass into the hall, especially since he had 5 other good to great seasons (84, 86-88 especially) and he's not in the hall??so, yeah, I think the drugs were his downfall and that he would be in the hall if anything other than drugs had been his downfall...by the way, does anyone know if he's still doing them? Did he quit in 1995 when he didn't play for a year? just curious... 'cuz I think if he did honestly stop. he should be allowed in the hall now...

Please recalibrate sarcasm detector. TIA

 

[Kraft...]

With pick #4 in round 12 the Curse Reversing Idiots Select:

Kirby Puckett OF

Writeup later, busy at the moment.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Gooden pick was solid enough, but that whole "Dr. K" thing was a bit overblown..that all came out of his '84 and '85 seasons..from '87 on, he wasn't nearly as dominant of a strikeout pitcher (save for 1990).I don't know exactly when the drugs really started to affect his pitching, but around 1988 or so, he became a little more than an above-average pitcher..in 1990 on, he was merely average or flat out bad.I don't think he was on the one-way path to Cooperstown at all. And I was a big Gooden fan.

Those first few years, he was God. Not a god. God himself.Then he snorted all of his talent up his nose.

hey, I watched every game I could on WWOR..I was there in spirit bro.

He was horribly overworked. That certainly contributed to his decline but I think the drugs were at least as much to blame as the abuse to his arm.I still haven't gotten over it. I vividly remember the day I heard about his drug problem. I was absolutely crushed.

 

[Bogart]

Might as well throw mine out thereossible Lineup:Henderson - RHamiliton - LHornsby - RReggie - LTraynor - RTerry - LRipken - RCochrane - LPitcherI have another lineup in mind where Hamiliton leads off and Reggie hits lower in the lineup, but this one would do it we started today.

Obsessed with the alternating hitters or what?

not really, it just kinda worked out that wayOBP-SpeedOBP-SpeedAveragePowerAverageAveragePowerAverage

 

[Funkley]

Well....what the heck. The guy I almost took last time I'll take now.

12.05 - Jim Rice - OF

8 Time all star

1978 AL MVP

Top 5 MVP 6 times.

382 HR's 48th all time.

1,451 RBI 48th all time.

One of my favorite players.

 

[10993]

Now up: KoyaBogartDoug BHarrier

 

[Capella]

when this thread eventually dies...a little piece of me will die with it.

 

[10993]

when this thread eventually dies...a little piece of me will die with it.

i'm sure there will be a message board in the sim

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

when this thread eventually dies...a little piece of me will die with it.

You've got a ways to go before that happens. Enjoy it while it lasts. Such triumph is often fleeting. Just ask Doc.

 

[Politician Spock]

when this thread eventually dies...a little piece of me will die with it.

Apparently all the crap fests are so far behind us now they don't influence your opinion anymore.

 

[Capella]

when this thread eventually dies...a little piece of me will die with it.

You've got a ways to go before that happens. Enjoy it while it lasts. Such triumph is often fleeting. Just ask Doc.

true.I feel like Brady Anderson here.

 

[Kraft...]

Well....what the heck. The guy I almost took last time I'll take now.

12.05 - Jim Rice - OF

8 Time all star

1978 AL MVP

Top 5 MVP 6 times.

382 HR's 48th all time.

1,451 RBI 48th all time.

One of my favorite players.

Almost went Rice there myself, but thought he would slide, guess I was pretty wrong huh.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Koya picks:

Kiki Cuyler (OF, RH)