***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

[Koya]

Actually, I would not be surprised to see those late 60s years to be looked upon with a critical computer sim eye. It was as much a ptichers era as ever.

You're going to have to explain what the hell this means, 'cause I'm not buying it.If player X has a higher salary that player Y, player X is going to beat him consistantly, no? I see this sim like poker. If Babe Ruth is A-K and Frank Thomas is Q-10, big slick is going to win how ever many percent of the time. I think it's like that. They take the raw salary numbers (starting hand) and throw in a bit variable like stadium, etc... (the flop). Stop with the BS about the '60's being a pitching era, his salary is his salary.....

Nips, are you fishing or looking for an arguement? Not sure why you seem upset. For one, I have no idea how this sim will work. I dont even know what salaries each guy has, so I couldnt tell you what Gibsons salary is. Regardless, a pitching era, in a sim, will probably give some help to offensive numbers while hurting defensive numbers.I am guessing about this, but I would think that is how a sim would work.I have no idea what you mean by stop the BS and salaries... did I even mention salaries? Just as 2003 offensive numbers would be pushed down in a sim, 60's numbers would probably go up, and the reverse for pichting in each era, respectively. Not sure why you are getting mad at me on this one.

 

[Capella]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/vaughar01.shtml

I think we have a new leader in the 'obscure' pick race.not that that's a bad thing, but you just lost the FFA vote.

 

[Nipsey]

Actually, I would not be surprised to see those late 60s years to be looked upon with a critical computer sim eye.  It was as much a ptichers era as ever.

You're going to have to explain what the hell this means, 'cause I'm not buying it.If player X has a higher salary that player Y, player X is going to beat him consistantly, no? I see this sim like poker. If Babe Ruth is A-K and Frank Thomas is Q-10, big slick is going to win how ever many percent of the time. I think it's like that. They take the raw salary numbers (starting hand) and throw in a bit variable like stadium, etc... (the flop). Stop with the BS about the '60's being a pitching era, his salary is his salary.....

Nips, are you fishing or looking for an arguement? Not sure why you seem upset. For one, I have no idea how this sim will work. I dont even know what salaries each guy has, so I couldnt tell you what Gibsons salary is. Regardless, a pitching era, in a sim, will probably give some help to offensive numbers while hurting defensive numbers.I am guessing about this, but I would think that is how a sim would work.I have no idea what you mean by stop the BS and salaries... did I even mention salaries? Just as 2003 offensive numbers would be pushed down in a sim, 60's numbers would probably go up, and the reverse for pichting in each era, respectively. Not sure why you are getting mad at me on this one.

a) I'm not upset.b) I'm not fishing.c) Why would I be mad at you?Just don't understand what the heck you're talking about.

 

[Koya]

I am curious to know the "similar batters" by age for Frank. Will go have a peek.

 

[UCONN]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/vaughar01.shtml

I think we have a new leader in the 'obscure' pick race.

I wanted to go left/right at the top of my order. He lead the league in OBP 3 times in a row and plays a thin position. Mickey aint famous enough for ya?edited to add I'm too stupid w/ computers to get the name to show up w/out pasting the link and then editing...

 

[Kraft...]

OK I'm dieing here there are three guys I really like here but I'm torn.Pick upcoming. . . .

 

[dlux]

I completely back the Thomas pick. If you just think lineup, if you asked me in this kind of thing who would I rather have bat 3, 4, or 5 in my lineup, I'd rather take Thomas than Yaz.Before 2001 or so, when he had his first bad year, he was in prime positions on batting lists (OPS+, OPS, etc.) that were full of names like Ruth, Mays, Williams, and Aaron. I believe Bill James ranked him as the fifth best 1B of all time in his last abstract.

 

[Nipsey]

Just as 2003 offensive numbers would be pushed down in a sim, 60's numbers would probably go up, and the reverse for pichting in each era, respectively.

Why wouldn't that just be reflected in the salary? You're doing that "era enhancing magic juice thing" again.....I'm just saying the salary is the salary.

 

[Koya]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/vaughar01.shtml

I think we have a new leader in the 'obscure' pick race.not that that's a bad thing, but you just lost the FFA vote.

GREAT pick. Top 5, arguably top 3 SS ever. Nicely done UCONN... I thought he would slide a long while.

 

[UCONN]

Oh, in the draft thing you can just put Robinson at 2B and Vaughan at SS...I think they might be eligible at other spots but they aint gonna end up playing there.

 

[Capella]

I am curious to know the "similar batters" by age for Frank. Will go have a peek.

go check it out..when Andres Galarraga and Will Clark start showing up on that list, you may have made the pick a shade too early.

 

[UCONN]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/vaughar01.shtml

I think we have a new leader in the 'obscure' pick race.not that that's a bad thing, but you just lost the FFA vote.

GREAT pick. Top 5, arguably top 3 SS ever. Nicely done UCONN... I thought he would slide a long while.

Thanks Koya. When I took Jackie I really wanted a lefty to counter him at the top of the order. You guys can stop taking pitchers now, .

 

[Koya]

Just as 2003 offensive numbers would be pushed down in a sim, 60's numbers would probably go up, and the reverse for pichting in each era, respectively.

Why wouldn't that just be reflected in the salary? You're doing that "era enhancing magic juice thing" again.....I'm just saying the salary is the salary.

Ok. I didnt understand where you were coming from. Nips, there is not much debate that most players' stats in baseball can be extrapolated to another era with general consensus on the result. We have been through this. If you dont want to give for that at all, you are entitled. In that case, we probably have 7 of the top ten players ever playing right now (position players at least). My opinion differs... I believe era is relevant, especially when comparing players FROM different eras, that happen to be close in abilities/affect on the game. I am not saying Gibson is not awesome. Nor that he may have had the greatest single year in pitching history. However, just as Bond's may have had the greatest offensive year in history, you must look at it in relation to his era. It still might be the best ever... but the numbers would look different in say 1983, or 1967. That is all I am saying.

 

[Capella]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/vaughar01.shtml

I think we have a new leader in the 'obscure' pick race.not that that's a bad thing, but you just lost the FFA vote.

GREAT pick. Top 5, arguably top 3 SS ever. Nicely done UCONN... I thought he would slide a long while.

we obviously are not using the same cheatsheets.

 

[Kraft...]

Couldn't take a third OF'er and I can wait on more power with Hank and Joe batting 3-4 sooooo

With the #4 pick in the Fourth round the Curse reversing Idiots select:

George Sisler

Great leadoff or two hitter in my lineup

Speed check

OBP check

Disiplined hitter Check

writeup forthcoming

 

[Koya]

I am curious to know the "similar batters" by age for Frank. Will go have a peek.

go check it out..when Andres Galarraga and Will Clark start showing up on that list, you may have made the pick a shade too early.

LoL. Actually, there were a lot of very bordeline and a couple in but just in HOF type players.. Exactly what Thomas will be after retiring. I will say this... TWO MVPs is NOT f'n around. I believe he went too early. But perhaps his offensive contributions are underated.Once again.. are we going with a DH? I never got an answer. TIA

 

[UCONN]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/vaughar01.shtml

I think we have a new leader in the 'obscure' pick race.not that that's a bad thing, but you just lost the FFA vote.

GREAT pick. Top 5, arguably top 3 SS ever. Nicely done UCONN... I thought he would slide a long while.

we obviously are not using the same cheatsheets.

I'm not going to give away where I had him ranked...his batting left-handed w/ a high OBP had more to do w/ the selection than where I had him....:fillingaslot:Top of the order production is very important to me.edited to add I know a notable glove man is still out there....I think he'll do more for me at the plate w/out sacrificing too much defense than said glove man. I want to score a lot of runs (relatively speaking).

 

[Koya]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/vaughar01.shtml

I think we have a new leader in the 'obscure' pick race.not that that's a bad thing, but you just lost the FFA vote.

GREAT pick. Top 5, arguably top 3 SS ever. Nicely done UCONN... I thought he would slide a long while.

we obviously are not using the same cheatsheets.

I'm not going to give away where I had him ranked...his batting left-handed w/ a high OBP had more to do w/ the selection than where I had him....:fillingaslot:Top of the order production is very important to me.

Few know about Arky. In "baseball circles" he is VERY highly regarded. Many think he is second ONLY to wagner.

 

[Sammy3469]

I am curious to know the "similar batters" by age for Frank. Will go have a peek.

go check it out..when Andres Galarraga and Will Clark start showing up on that list, you may have made the pick a shade too early.

LoL. Actually, there were a lot of very bordeline and a couple in but just in HOF type players.. Exactly what Thomas will be after retiring. I will say this... TWO MVPs is NOT f'n around. I believe he went too early. But perhaps his offensive contributions are underated.Once again.. are we going with a DH? I never got an answer. TIA

No

 

[Politician Spock]

Couldn't take a third OF'er and I can wait on more power with Hank and Joe batting 3-4 sooooo

With the #4 pick in the Fourth round the Curse reversing Idiots select:

George Sisler

Great leadoff or two hitter in my lineup

Speed check

OBP check

Disiplined hitter Check

writeup forthcoming

 

[UCONN]

I am curious to know the "similar batters" by age for Frank. Will go have a peek.

go check it out..when Andres Galarraga and Will Clark start showing up on that list, you may have made the pick a shade too early.

LoL. Actually, there were a lot of very bordeline and a couple in but just in HOF type players.. Exactly what Thomas will be after retiring. I will say this... TWO MVPs is NOT f'n around. I believe he went too early. But perhaps his offensive contributions are underated.Once again.. are we going with a DH? I never got an answer. TIA

If you read the first post in the rules thread you would have....

 

[Koya]

I am curious to know the "similar batters" by age for Frank. Will go have a peek.

go check it out..when Andres Galarraga and Will Clark start showing up on that list, you may have made the pick a shade too early.

LoL. Actually, there were a lot of very bordeline and a couple in but just in HOF type players.. Exactly what Thomas will be after retiring. I will say this... TWO MVPs is NOT f'n around. I believe he went too early. But perhaps his offensive contributions are underated.Once again.. are we going with a DH? I never got an answer. TIA

No

thx. i personally hate the DH, although I have no objection either way in a sim.

 

[higgins]

Funkley PM-ed me a list for the next pick....Funkley selects

JUAN MARICHAL

 

[Nipsey]

Just as 2003 offensive numbers would be pushed down in a sim, 60's numbers would probably go up, and the reverse for pichting in each era, respectively.

Why wouldn't that just be reflected in the salary? You're doing that "era enhancing magic juice thing" again.....I'm just saying the salary is the salary.

Ok. I didnt understand where you were coming from. Nips, there is not much debate that most players' stats in baseball can be extrapolated to another era with general consensus on the result. We have been through this. If you dont want to give for that at all, you are entitled. In that case, we probably have 7 of the top ten players ever playing right now (position players at least). My opinion differs... I believe era is relevant, especially when comparing players FROM different eras, that happen to be close in abilities/affect on the game. I am not saying Gibson is not awesome. Nor that he may have had the greatest single year in pitching history. However, just as Bond's may have had the greatest offensive year in history, you must look at it in relation to his era. It still might be the best ever... but the numbers would look different in say 1983, or 1967. That is all I am saying.

You're missing my point. I'm not arguing with you about what you've posted. But we're talking about the sim here. If certain players numbers would be enhanced by playing in the modern era, wouldn't they just reflect that in the salaries? To make a statement like, "Gibson's going to be better than you think because they're going to take his competitive fire into account." I'm saying that's BS, because he has a set salary and when figuring the salary, they would have already taken "variables" into account.

 

[Koya]

Will make my choice in 5 min. There is a pitcher available that has no business being here, although I could fill a very important need... hmmm one sec

 

[Koya]

Ok, just had to make sure...

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's" - a player who played the most important outfield position better than anyone else both offensively AND defensively for a decade (does not look like he will ever be quite the player since before injury)...

Ken Griffey Jr. CF

Full Write up to come. But he is an ALL AROUND, true FIVE TOOL player that will give me the chance to work with the corner outfielders a little more while having defense, power and speed.

500+ HRs and counting...

PS - If people did not have in our memory the scenes of the last 3-4 years, I think Griff would have gone a lot higher. For a decade, he was compared to the Gods themselves (Mays for example) - didnt quite get there, but for the 90's was as close as baseball had.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Ok, just had to make sure...

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's" - a player who played the most important outfield position better than anyone else both offensively AND defensively for a decade (does not look like he will ever be quite the player since before injury)...

Ken Griffey Jr. CF

Full Write up to come. But he is an ALL AROUND, true FIVE TOOL player that will give me the chance to work with the corner outfielders a little more while having defense, power and speed.

500+ HRs and counting...

PS - If people did not have in our memory the scenes of the last 3-4 years, I think Griff would have gone a lot higher. For a decade, he was compared to the Gods themselves (Mays for example) - didnt quite get there, but for the 90's was as close as baseball had.

THERE IS NO WAY!!! HOW DO YOU PICK HIM HERE?!?! I WANTED HIM THE NEXT TIME AROUND!!!!

 

[UCONN]

Griffey is one of the few players I've actually seen that fit the phrase, "I'd pay to watch that guy play". Very few others (Bonds is one) make that list for me.

 

[Bogart]

Pick on its way...need about 10 mins.

 

[Funkley]

Thanks Higgins!! Killebrew and Marichal. No comments from the peanut gallery....not sure if that's good or bad.

 

[Nipsey]

Thanks Higgins!! Killebrew and Marichal. No comments from the peanut gallery....not sure if that's good or bad.

I think it's good. Solid picks there....

 

[Koya]

Ken Griffey Jr. Write Up

The best offensive Player at his Position for a decade.

The best defensive player at his position (or very close) for a decade.

One of baseballs premier Power Hitters until the McGuire Revolution who hit for decent average and had great speed as well.

MVP - 1997

5x Top 5 MVP (7x Top 10)

10 Consecutive Gold Gloves ('90-'99)

12x Allstar (1990-'00, '04) (I just realized, we are in the ought years, and so were the old time players. cool.)

4x Home Run King, 7x Top 4 HRs

All Around GREAT: Led League at one year or another in: RBI, Power/Speed, X-Tra Base Hits, Int. Walks, Total Bases, Runs.

Elite of his era: Similar Batter at age (only chosen players listed): Robinson, Mantle, Mays, Bonds, Gonzo.

If his career ended today, his career numbers would most closely match F. Robinson, and then Mantle and a couple players probably on short lists (or short bus lists at least). Mind you, Mantle in his prime was an all around legend... and Robinson had the numbers, but Griffey was the premier defender at his position for a decade as well.

 

[dlux]

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's"

I thought Bonds was already taken?(good pick, btw)

 

[Nipsey]

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's"

I thought Pat Borders was already taken?(good pick, btw)

Fixed.

 

[Koya]

Griffey is one of the few players I've actually seen that fit the phrase, "I'd pay to watch that guy play". Very few others (Bonds is one) make that list for me.

I think he is currently hurt because of his injury and possible decline. It will be curious to see two things with Griffey:(1) Will he ever be able to sustain close to the sheer dominance he displayed not for a year, not for 5 years, but a straight decade?(2) If he does not, or is simply very good from here out, will baseball remember the best player of the 90's/the next Mays and will surely catch Aaron if he stays healthy... or do they remember the star that had a decade, but didnt fulfill the opportunity to become one of the top 5 ever, as he seemed destined to at one time.

 

[UCONN]

MLB PLAYER DRAFTUpdated picksROUND ONE1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- P CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins2.15 Spock - SP Nolan Ryan2.16 Pumpnick - 2B Nap Lajoie3.1 pumpnick -- SP Greg Maddux3.2 Spock -- SP Steve Carlton3.3 lastresort -- 1B Mark McGwire3.4 Capella -- SP Randy Johnson3.5 Nipsey -- OF Joe Jackson3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.8 Harrier -- SP Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown3.9 Doug B -- 3B George Brett3.10 bogart -- OF Billy Hamilton3.11 Koya -- SP Tom Seaver3.12 funkley -- 3B Harmon Killebrew3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson3.14 UCONN -- 2B Jackie Robinson3.15 Spartans -- SP Hal Newhouser3.16 LarryBoy -- 1B Frank Thomas4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.02 Spartans -- OF Carl Yastrzemski4.03 UCONN -- SS Arky Vaughan4.04 Kraft -- 1B George Sisler4.05 Funkley -- SP Juan Marichal4.06 Koya -- OF Ken Griffey Jr.4.07 Bogart -- C Mickey Cochrane4.08 Doug B --4.09 Harrier --4.10 Pickles --4.11 Sammy --4.12 Nipsey --4.13 Capella --4.14 Lastresort --4.15 Spock --4.16 Pumpnick --

 

[Koya]

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's"

I thought Bonds was already taken?(good pick, btw)

During the 90's, it seemed you really heard a lot more Griff as best player in baseball, if I remember. Although Bonds was mentioned. Am I incorrect recalling it this way? We had Griff, the Cal Ripken Record, the Strike, The Yank, Sosa McGuire and only at the end Bonds... who really is hte player of the very late 90's and 00's. But, from '90-'99 it seemed the consensus (there is that word again, trying to be objective) was on Griff. No question now who is/was better or who has a better career. Bonds is sick. The last 5 years have seen sights that even superman could not have dreamed about! Once Bonds became not just one of the best ever, but Super Barry I will squish you, Mr. Baseball Records, nothing I have ever seen compares.edit to add.. thx fo the props.

 

[UCONN]

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's"

I thought Bonds was already taken?(good pick, btw)

During the 90's, it seemed you really heard a lot more Griff as best player in baseball, if I remember. Although Bonds was mentioned. Am I incorrect recalling it this way? We had Griff, the Cal Ripken Record, the Strike, The Yank, Sosa McGuire and only at the end Bonds... who really is hte player of the very late 90's and 00's. But, from '90-'99 it seemed the consensus (there is that word again, trying to be objective) was on Griff. No question now who is/was better or who has a better career. Bonds is sick. The last 5 years have seen sights that even superman could not have dreamed about! Once Bonds became not just one of the best ever, but Super Barry I will squish you, Mr. Baseball Records, nothing I have ever seen compares.edit to add.. thx fo the props.

I think Bonds won the Players Choice Award or something like that for player of the 90's...it might have been Griffey, but I think it was Bonds...people forget he was winning MVP's as a skinny kid in Pittsburgh.edited to add he won an MVP in '90...the "he came around at the end isn't really accurate...

 

[10993]

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's"

I thought Bonds was already taken?(good pick, btw)

During the 90's, it seemed you really heard a lot more Griff as best player in baseball, if I remember. Although Bonds was mentioned. Am I incorrect recalling it this way? We had Griff, the Cal Ripken Record, the Strike, The Yank, Sosa McGuire and only at the end Bonds... who really is hte player of the very late 90's and 00's. But, from '90-'99 it seemed the consensus (there is that word again, trying to be objective) was on Griff. No question now who is/was better or who has a better career. Bonds is sick. The last 5 years have seen sights that even superman could not have dreamed about! Once Bonds became not just one of the best ever, but Super Barry I will squish you, Mr. Baseball Records, nothing I have ever seen compares.edit to add.. thx fo the props.

Bonds won three MVP awards in the 1990s. Griffey won one, the same as Mo Vaughn, Terry Pendleton, and Ken Caminiti.

 

[Funkley]

Killebrew - Hit a lot of homeruns. Marichal - Won a lot of games and struck a lot of guys out.

 

[Koya]

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's"

I thought Bonds was already taken?(good pick, btw)

During the 90's, it seemed you really heard a lot more Griff as best player in baseball, if I remember. Although Bonds was mentioned. Am I incorrect recalling it this way? We had Griff, the Cal Ripken Record, the Strike, The Yank, Sosa McGuire and only at the end Bonds... who really is hte player of the very late 90's and 00's. But, from '90-'99 it seemed the consensus (there is that word again, trying to be objective) was on Griff. No question now who is/was better or who has a better career. Bonds is sick. The last 5 years have seen sights that even superman could not have dreamed about! Once Bonds became not just one of the best ever, but Super Barry I will squish you, Mr. Baseball Records, nothing I have ever seen compares.edit to add.. thx fo the props.

Bonds won three MVP awards in the 1990s. Griffey won one, the same as Mo Vaughn.

Honestly, people need to save these owned signs for something that means owned. LoL. Good point. Maybe it was just all of the hype you heard. I did say it seemed all you heard about was Griffey... never said it was on target. As mentioned, Bonds has proven what he is. Unreal.

 

[Bogart]

Well my short list has been destroyed. So I am going to take a right turn and go for a weak position. Keeping my team concept and ballpark in mind I select:

4.07 - Mickey Cochrane - C

A great left-handed stick, which is a benefit at The Ballpark, that averaged 114 Runs, 91 RBIs and a nice 0.320 Average (0.419 OBP). These number are just great for a catcher.

 

[Sammy3469]

I think some of it was that the Ms were good for tha last part of the 90s and the played the Yankees in that series. Numbers-wise I think it's hard to argue against Bonds.

 

[Koya]

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's"

I thought Bonds was already taken?(good pick, btw)

During the 90's, it seemed you really heard a lot more Griff as best player in baseball, if I remember. Although Bonds was mentioned. Am I incorrect recalling it this way? We had Griff, the Cal Ripken Record, the Strike, The Yank, Sosa McGuire and only at the end Bonds... who really is hte player of the very late 90's and 00's. But, from '90-'99 it seemed the consensus (there is that word again, trying to be objective) was on Griff. No question now who is/was better or who has a better career. Bonds is sick. The last 5 years have seen sights that even superman could not have dreamed about! Once Bonds became not just one of the best ever, but Super Barry I will squish you, Mr. Baseball Records, nothing I have ever seen compares.edit to add.. thx fo the props.

Bonds won three MVP awards in the 1990s. Griffey won one, the same as XXX, XXX, and XXX.

However, if you are going to say that the other players you mentioned (who you should probably not have since we are drafting) were considered on par with Griffey, then you would probably deserve some retribution on the owned.

 

[UCONN]

Does anybody have the final ballpark list?Would be nice to be able to just see where ya'll are playing in the rosters thread...

 

[dlux]

Koya - I think you're right...the hype and fan perception was that Griff was the best (see being voted one of the best 25 of all time back in '99) of the decade, but in actuality I think more awards, etc. went to Bonds in the end (not sure how much of that perception had to do with personality).I think there were 5 position players who were head and shoulders above the rest in the '90s...3 of them are taken. Bonds is #1, I'd probably agree Griffy is #2, Thomas is #3, but Win Shares says there are two other guys right with Junior and the Big Hurt, with Bonds well ahead of all of them.

 

[UCONN]

Getting a lefty power bat at catcher is nice (especially if it fits your park). Obviously not many people's number 1 catcher, but that doesn't mean it's a bad pick.

 

[Koya]

Koya - I think you're right...the hype and fan perception was that Griff was the best (see being voted one of the best 25 of all time back in '99) of the decade, but in actuality I think more awards, etc. went to Bonds in the end (not sure how much of that perception had to do with personality).I think there were 5 position players who were head and shoulders above the rest in the '90s...3 of them are taken. Bonds is #1, I'd probably agree Griffy is #2, Thomas is #3, but Win Shares says there are two other guys right with Junior and the Big Hurt, with Bonds well ahead of all of them.

thanks dlux... that sounds about right. In a way, because Bonds was ONLY hitting 30 or something home runs, I dont think we realized how gifted he was all around. Being an all around ####### as well as an all around great player may have had something to do with that!Since '00, we just can not ignore his greatness. Grump or not.

 

[10993]

But the chance to have the "best player of the 90's"

I thought Bonds was already taken?(good pick, btw)

During the 90's, it seemed you really heard a lot more Griff as best player in baseball, if I remember. Although Bonds was mentioned. Am I incorrect recalling it this way? We had Griff, the Cal Ripken Record, the Strike, The Yank, Sosa McGuire and only at the end Bonds... who really is hte player of the very late 90's and 00's. But, from '90-'99 it seemed the consensus (there is that word again, trying to be objective) was on Griff. No question now who is/was better or who has a better career. Bonds is sick. The last 5 years have seen sights that even superman could not have dreamed about! Once Bonds became not just one of the best ever, but Super Barry I will squish you, Mr. Baseball Records, nothing I have ever seen compares.edit to add.. thx fo the props.

Bonds won three MVP awards in the 1990s. Griffey won one, the same as XXX, XXX, and XXX.

However, if you are going to say that the other players you mentioned (who you should probably not have since we are drafting) were considered on par with Griffey, then you would probably deserve some retribution on the owned.

If anyone drafts Mo Vaughn, Terry Pendleton, or Ken Caminiti, I will heap upon them the scorn and derision that such a pick deserves.Lighten up, Francis.

 

[Bogart]

Getting a lefty power bat at catcher is nice (especially if it fits your park). Obviously not many people's number 1 catcher, but that doesn't mean it's a bad pick.

May not be anyone's number one catcher, but his numbers will match up against any number one catcher out there. Left-handed is just a bonus.