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Koya seems to think they take all kinds of things into consideration, but I agree, they don't. Salary=wins. Things like ballpark and match-ups matter a little bit, but everything a player is/was (defense/speed/etc) is taken into account and reflected in the salary.Normally, the way it works is, teams just compile a club using a salary cap. (80M I think). Either way, I think it's be interesting to see how it shakes out. I still think the sim is much more important than the vote though. The sim lasts two months, the vote lasts one day. And in the vote, most are going to vote for two reasons: they like the team owner or they recognize more players on a certain team. Look at the NBA draft results for clues. Not knocking either team that made the finals (because they were both better than mine), but they had the most modern players. Spock, Harrier etc...have little chance in the vote, but I'd think either could win the sim going away.
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QUIT LAUGHING AND DRAFT ALREADY!!!!!!
They way I saw it was the salary was pro-rated to the amount of innings pitched. If a closer has a $5M salary and you can multiply that times whatever percentage of innings it would take him to be a full time starter. I'm not sure that made sense mathmatically, but do you get my point?
He's still on the big list at the bottom of the board.Probably yelling about dragons or Jesus or something.11 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 1 Anonymous Users)9 Members: Politician Spock, Funkley, NOC, Sammy3469, oso diablo, Doug B, Giant Wooden Badger, Mr. Pickles, BonezerelliDamnit! Where'd he go?
That's what I got out of it as well. I read in their forums they do take into account eras when simming things out though (something about comparing the guys numbers to "MLB" average for that year and "normalizing" his stats) but don't take things into account like the guys home ball park or even league (NL or AL). The hitters salaries seem to be atleast slightly weighted towards hr's to me. You can get a batting champ much cheaper than a HR champ, but I haven't actually crunched the numbers. The defensive rankings I have no clue. Most of them looked pretty good/accurate, but some really came out of left field.
Did you watch the J. Johnson thing? That was pretty cool. Still interested in starting a boxing draft 6 months or so from now when this is all done.He's still on the big list at the bottom of the board.Probably yelling about dragons or Jesus or something.11 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 1 Anonymous Users)9 Members: Politician Spock, Funkley, NOC, Sammy3469, oso diablo, Doug B, Giant Wooden Badger, Mr. Pickles, BonezerelliDamnit! Where'd he go?
really? so Chuck Klein grades out as more valuable than, say Reggie Jackson or Willie Stargell, just to take one example?Or, Rube Waddell, with his 2.16 ERA in the height of the dead-ball era is more valuable than, say, Lefty Grove, who had a 3.06 ERA in the height of the offensive explosion of late 20s / early 30s?Maybe those extreme examples don't turn out to be true in the sim, but not adjusting for era is silly when it comes to baseball.Edit: never mind, just saw UCONN's post above.
That's cool for closers, because at least you have a stat (saves) to hang your hat on.But for long and middle relievers, and set-up specialists ... if they don't go by WHIP or ERA or something, some very good role pitchers might get the shaft.And you can't use starters as relievers, right? Didn't I read that above? So the WIS.com baseball world has only starters and closers?.
I dont think I ever claimed to know how the sim works, I dont. I have some idea and things I have heard/read, is all and am willing to share that.I do remember reading that for pitchers, the most important stat that is ties to salary is Innings pitched. The idea being a pitcher who is "as good" as another but pitchers twice as many innings is twice as good.If this is correct, then a pitcher who has a lot of average innings will cost a lot more than a very good or great pitcher with less innings. Since the guys in the old days would go 500 innings and some ridiculous stats, that is reflected in a much better salary.As far as equating for era, I do believe the sim takes this into effect, but that is not my concern. In my own mind I compensate because I KNOW todays numbers are too high, while the dead ball era was too low (for power at least). That being neither here nor there, I am fairly confident the sim adjusts year by year. If it does not, then the sim = a waste of time completely (though I will participate either way, but a baseball sim that only takes the raw numbers isnt worth ####).Anyways, you can choose whomever you want for whatever reason. I know I am with a few others trying to draft the best team, and thats that.
i'm with you now. was hard to believe that there was no era-adjustment. that's pretty basic stuff these days.would also be surprised that there are no park effects. Dodger Stadium vs. Coors Field anyone?
From everything I have heard/read, Cap is right.C. Kleins numbers will hurt, especially in the wrong park. Mike Piazza's will suffer from his era, but will be greatly helped by his ball park. Gibsons miracle season will still be great, but it will be great in the context of a great pitching year. This is what I understand it to be... I have no idea how it actually plays out.
More like "on your knees, praying" no.
How can this season matter at all when it's not being used? You're assuming the site takes into consideration a players career. If that was the case, why are we using only specific years? Why not just draft players and let the sim sort everything out. I think you're off base a bit here...
that and the no AL/NL effect were the things that suprised me. They have forums for discussion and everything I read (which wasn't much) seemed to say adjustment for era,
...adjustment for home park or league (for example most people believe and equal ERA in the post-DH AL is better than NL and obviously the Coors vs Dodger Stadium thing), 
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this will sound kind of corny, but I imagine it's similar to how most people find favorite teams or players in towns where there is no professional team.I grew up in St. Pete, which back in the 80s obviously didn't have the Rays. But we did have great Spring Training..the Mets and Cards, both in one stadium, both at their best. Damn good teams.My dad started taking me when I was young, and he was a big Cardinals fan. So to be contrary, I started pulling for the Mets. Gary Carter always was signing autographs (I must have like 9 of them, dumb kid) and always seemed to be smiling. Plus he played catcher, which I played in little league, since I was so bad anywhere else in the field. So like any kid, it doesn't take much to get a favorite team or player so I latched onto the Mutts and Carter. Gigantic Strawberry and Gooden fans as well. Gooden actually used to have a home next to my Uncle, which didn't hurt my fandom.Still pull for the Mutts and the Cards to do well, to this day. Mets left St. Pete in the late 80s/early 90s, so I eventually grew more interested in the Cards. Like to see them both do well, but it's certainly not life or death.
Yeah, I saw that when I did the free sim.I also noticed that my team usually got waxed when I had to use multiple pitchers in a game. I drafted the freebie team to make copious use of situational matchups in relief, and I drafted dedicated middle relievers with specialist roles (long, middle, RH setup, LH setup, etc.). Didn't seem to help much -- when my starters went 8+ innings, my team cruised. When we had to go to the pen, we got shelled, and couldn't get the bleeding stopped.
I was gonna say the same thing.YOU LOSE, sir.poor Nipsey.
poor Nipsey.
Based on this information, everyone except Nipsey will be filling their bullpens in rounds 20-25.
What happens after you sim your free team? Do you lose access to the draft center? Was worried about that so I haven't simmed a team yet.Well, I don't know if Nipsey is right or wrong. I've only got the ten free games to go by as a sample. And maybe I just picked the wrong relievers. Don't know for sure.poor Nipsey.
