***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

[10993]

Secondly, if those pre 1900 pitcher salaries are high only because of innings pitched, does that mean if you start them every fourth day will they be even better? Some of thos guys have WHIP's under .5! If that's the case I'm filling out my roster with dead ball era guys and everyone who took the Seavers and Koufaxes and Larsens and Browns are simply dead in the sim. DEAD. Waste of $10 for you because I won't lose a game.

My $10 says that it's not going to play out that way.

I don't follow your reasoning. If a guy has an ERA near one and a whip under .5 AND never gets tired because he's pitched 600 innings in a season, you're saying that's not an incredible advantage? You could pitch some of those guys who are STILL available every other day and destroy Carlton on Sunday, then Seaver on Tuesday (WITH THE SAME GUY).

But what will a .5 whip in 1886 equate to in the sim? Perhaps that was a good but not great average back then. When they equalize, he might get shelled. Just like some of todays numbers will be hurt in the sim.

The sim doesn't equalize. Guys with more HR cost more beause they give you more HR--period.There are adjustments that the same makes, but taking the WHIP from the deadball era and blowing it up is not one of them--things are normalized, but they are not adjusted like that.

Do you know this for a fact? Because if what you say is true, the sim = worthless and there are far better sims out there. I am fairly confident the sim adjusts not just by era, but year to year. Otherwise why not just pick all 1885 pitchers and all modern hitters and ruth.

When I played around with the Sim Matchup feature, I did a little test for era adjustment.Had 2003 Pedro and a rather mediocre deadballer, Charlie Buffinton of the 1885 Boston Beaneaters, take turns pitching on the road against the same teams in the same stadiums. I kept track of stats for a few games. With era adjustment, they would have been miles apart. Without it, they would have been close.They were close. ERAs basically proportional to their real-life ERAs.I suppose its possible that the sim leagues are a little different since they cost $$$. And after all it isn't necessary to adjust stats at all between eras to determine a head-to-head matchup like it is with teams drafted from all different eras. But you'd think if they had the capability to sim better, they'd do so even in the free game.

This is how the sim works. This is reality. If you don't like it, that doesn't change the reality.

 

[Koya]

By the way, who is up? This is still a draft to build the best team. After the draft we will:(1) All Proclaim we have the best team(2) All Proclaim victory in all sims for personality type A (the type that say the will win no matter what) All proclaim certain doom in all or certain sims for personality B (the type that, even when they know their team rules, goes Lou Holtz on everyone declaring they have no chance. Probably someone with no deadballers)(3) Try to WIS Sim. Try this other sim FFA vote Possible Baseball Board voteNow, lets ####### draft.

 

[Bogart]

2.) I plan on starting 4 or 5 pitchers in the sim. Keefe will pitch just as much as Bobby Witt for me.

We'll see whether that holds true if you meet me in the playoffs. I'll feel perfectly comfortable throwing a Pete/Mordecai relief situation like the DBacks did with Randy/Curt against the Yankees. Will you?

OK, now I'm confused. You complain that I am going to pitch Keefe every day or every other day, I say I not. So you come back saying you are going to run Brown/Alexander out there as your rotation, doing exactly what you are complaing that I am going to do.If you want to play that way, I will take Keefe/Joss against Brown/Pete everytime, but I don't plan on playing that way.

What are you confused about? I'm saying I have no moral qualms about pitching my starters the same way that the DBacks pitched Randy and Curt (not every day alternating, as your post suggests--or did you even follow that series? or real baseball at all?), because that's a perfectly reasonable thing for a baseball team to do, and seeing as my guys were acquired at the beginning of the draft because they were EXCEPTIONS to the rule in their ability to do that, I have no moral qualms about doing it.You, on the other hand, went the underhanded route and snuck Keefe in. So first you say you won't pitch him in relief, and no you say you'll do it if another owner does (though pitching a starter in relief is a perfectly normal thing in the playoffs). So which is it? Do you let the IP cheat for you, or do you hold back? Do you go just one inning of relief? Just 3 innings?

Look, I am going to start Keefe every fourth day, end of discussion. Except when I play your team, then he gets benched for being "too damn good to play against Larry Jones."

 

[Mr. Pickles]

God.. what a pathetic display this has turned into.Nice job, losers.

 

[Capella]

quick story about the sim..about 2, 2 1/2 years ago, I signed up to do it..wanted to build around pitching. Bought Koufax and a dead-baller (forget who, late 1800s, early 1900s)..big salary guy. Thought I was set.Dude got absolutely wrecked. I mean, every game was 12-2ish. Eventually had to bench him after 15 starts or so and run out there my cheap 1994 Dwight Gooden who I had only to round out my pitching staff. And Dwight was BETTER. There's more to it than the raw numbers. And it's not worth #####ing about.

 

[Koya]

Secondly, if those pre 1900 pitcher salaries are high only because of innings pitched, does that mean if you start them every fourth day will they be even better?  Some of thos guys have WHIP's under .5!  If that's the case I'm filling out my roster with dead ball era guys and everyone who took the Seavers and Koufaxes and Larsens and Browns are simply dead in the sim.  DEAD.  Waste of $10 for you because I won't lose a game.

My $10 says that it's not going to play out that way.

I don't follow your reasoning. If a guy has an ERA near one and a whip under .5 AND never gets tired because he's pitched 600 innings in a season, you're saying that's not an incredible advantage? You could pitch some of those guys who are STILL available every other day and destroy Carlton on Sunday, then Seaver on Tuesday (WITH THE SAME GUY).

But what will a .5 whip in 1886 equate to in the sim? Perhaps that was a good but not great average back then. When they equalize, he might get shelled. Just like some of todays numbers will be hurt in the sim.

The sim doesn't equalize. Guys with more HR cost more beause they give you more HR--period.There are adjustments that the same makes, but taking the WHIP from the deadball era and blowing it up is not one of them--things are normalized, but they are not adjusted like that.

Do you know this for a fact? Because if what you say is true, the sim = worthless and there are far better sims out there. I am fairly confident the sim adjusts not just by era, but year to year. Otherwise why not just pick all 1885 pitchers and all modern hitters and ruth.

When I played around with the Sim Matchup feature, I did a little test for era adjustment.Had 2003 Pedro and a rather mediocre deadballer, Charlie Buffinton of the 1885 Boston Beaneaters, take turns pitching on the road against the same teams in the same stadiums. I kept track of stats for a few games. With era adjustment, they would have been miles apart. Without it, they would have been close.They were close. ERAs basically proportional to their real-life ERAs.I suppose its possible that the sim leagues are a little different since they cost $$$. And after all it isn't necessary to adjust stats at all between eras to determine a head-to-head matchup like it is with teams drafted from all different eras. But you'd think if they had the capability to sim better, they'd do so even in the free game.

This is how the sim works. This is reality. If you don't like it, that doesn't change the reality.

Ok, so the sim sucks. Lets draft!

 

[Mr. Pickles]

there are other sim sites as well..

 

[Capella]

Tommy John, SP

TOMMY JOHNI need a lefty and he certainly can pitch in NY.

Thanks Capella. #### you.

 

[Bogart]

About to leave the office, who can I PM my list of 1870s guys for my next pick??

 

[10993]

Now up: NipseySammy PicklesHarrier

 

[10993]

About to leave the office, who can I PM my list of 1870s guys for my next pick??

Oh, I'll take them.

 

[Capella]

Ok, so the sim sucks. Lets draft!

We've been waiting on Cappy, who was "done" talking about deadball pitchers four pages ago.#####.

post reported.maybe you'll get banned and we can get Oso in here.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

quick story about the sim..about 2, 2 1/2 years ago, I signed up to do it..wanted to build around pitching. Bought Koufax and a dead-baller (forget who, late 1800s, early 1900s)..big salary guy. Thought I was set.Dude got absolutely wrecked. I mean, every game was 12-2ish. Eventually had to bench him after 15 starts or so and run out there my cheap 1994 Dwight Gooden who I had only to round out my pitching staff. And Dwight was BETTER. There's more to it than the raw numbers. And it's not worth #####ing about.

1994 Gooden: 41.3 IP, 3-4, 6.31 ERA, 40 K

 

[10993]

post reported.maybe you'll get banned and we can get Oso in here.

 

[Capella]

quick story about the sim..

about 2, 2 1/2 years ago, I signed up to do it..wanted to build around pitching. Bought Koufax and a dead-baller (forget who, late 1800s, early 1900s)..big salary guy. Thought I was set.

Dude got absolutely wrecked. I mean, every game was 12-2ish. Eventually had to bench him after 15 starts or so and run out there my cheap 1994 Dwight Gooden who I had only to round out my pitching staff. And Dwight was BETTER.

There's more to it than the raw numbers. And it's not worth #####ing about.

1994 Gooden: 41.3 IP, 3-4, 6.31 ERA, 40 K

no bull####ing.the sim is odd man..other things come into play.

and I never said Dwight was good..just better than the other guy.

 

[Capella]

post reported.maybe you'll get banned and we can get Oso in here.

 

[Pumpnick]

1.) I didn't go first. Young and Nichols were drafted before Keefe.

Young's relevant year is post-1900. As far as Nichols goes, I'm assuming Pickles read my criticism, decided it didn't matter to him, and got over it. Clearly he was a lot more secure and mature in responding to it than others have been. What's funnier is that Cappy feels compelled to respond on behalf of others to this effect, though he has no deadball pitchers himself.

I don't understand grouping Young with the other pitchers people have named. Young was picked 5th overall.....I think if the 1880s pitchers were all picked in the 1st and 2nd rounds the people against it would be more accepting. It's the fact that people MAY (not sure how the sim works exactly) be able to pick comparable pitchers to Young in the 12-15 rounds that is the problem.

 

[10993]

post reported.maybe you'll get banned and we can get Oso in here.

If whoever it was reported to reads this thread and the names that you've called me, I don't think they'll be impressed by a response of "#####" followed by you running to the administrators.

 

[10993]

1.) I didn't go first. Young and Nichols were drafted before Keefe.

Young's relevant year is post-1900. As far as Nichols goes, I'm assuming Pickles read my criticism, decided it didn't matter to him, and got over it. Clearly he was a lot more secure and mature in responding to it than others have been. What's funnier is that Cappy feels compelled to respond on behalf of others to this effect, though he has no deadball pitchers himself.

I don't understand grouping Young with the other pitchers people have named. Young was picked 5th overall.....I think if the 1880s pitchers were all picked in the 1st and 2nd rounds the people against it would be more accepting. It's the fact that people MAY (not sure how the sim works exactly) be able to pick comparable pitchers to Young in the 12-15 rounds that is the problem.

 

[Bogart]

About to leave the office, who can I PM my list of 1870s guys for my next pick??

Oh, I'll take them.

I appreciate the offer, but with you having a pick before me, I will pass.PM list sent to Capella. I will be back on around 10 tonight.

 

[Spartans Rule]

By the way, who is up? This is still a draft to build the best team. After the draft we will:(1) All Proclaim we have the best team(2) All Proclaim victory in all sims for personality type A (the type that say the will win no matter what) All proclaim certain doom in all or certain sims for personality B (the type that, even when they know their team rules, goes Lou Holtz on everyone declaring they have no chance. Probably someone with no deadballers)(3) Try to WIS Sim. Try this other sim FFA vote Possible Baseball Board voteNow, lets ####### draft.

I came to peace with this awhile ago.I don't care if our sim can actually resurrect the dead and play games, or if the sim is no better than hitting marbles with baseball cards. Either way, its supposed to be secondary, and no matter how accurate or inaccurate it is someone will ##### that they got screwed over. Such is life.Let's just pick some players that we think are good.

 

[Koya]

About to leave the office, who can I PM my list of 1870s guys for my next pick??

Oh, I'll take them.

I appreciate the offer, but with you having a pick before me, I will pass.PM list sent to Capella. I will be back on around 10 tonight.

You can always pm to me, if I am not before ya, either.

 

[Capella]

By the way, who is up? This is still a draft to build the best team.  After the draft we will:(1)  All Proclaim we have the best team(2)  All Proclaim victory in all sims for personality type A (the type that say the will win no matter what)      All proclaim certain doom in all or certain sims for personality B (the type that, even when they know their team rules, goes Lou Holtz on everyone declaring they have no chance.  Probably someone with no deadballers)(3)  Try to WIS Sim.      Try this other sim      FFA vote      Possible Baseball Board voteNow, lets ####### draft.

I came to peace with this awhile ago.I don't care if our sim can actually resurrect the dead and play games, or if the sim is no better than hitting marbles with baseball cards. Either way, its supposed to be secondary, and no matter how accurate or inaccurate it is someone will ##### that they got screwed over. Such is life.Let's just pick some players that we think are good.

Some people are taking this far too seriously. I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to scrap the sim altogether. Just tired of hearing about it, especially after I went to the trouble to get it all set up where we could have an unlimited cap, etc.I'm not doing this to have some teenager call me names because he's upset with the rules that were already set. #### it.

 

[Koya]

By the way, who is up? This is still a draft to build the best team. After the draft we will:(1) All Proclaim we have the best team(2) All Proclaim victory in all sims for personality type A (the type that say the will win no matter what) All proclaim certain doom in all or certain sims for personality B (the type that, even when they know their team rules, goes Lou Holtz on everyone declaring they have no chance. Probably someone with no deadballers)(3) Try to WIS Sim. Try this other sim FFA vote Possible Baseball Board voteNow, lets ####### draft.

I came to peace with this awhile ago.I don't care if our sim can actually resurrect the dead and play games, or if the sim is no better than hitting marbles with baseball cards. Either way, its supposed to be secondary, and no matter how accurate or inaccurate it is someone will ##### that they got screwed over. Such is life.Let's just pick some players that we think are good.

Basically, when I kick your ### Spartans, the sim will be fine.If I lose, then OBVIOUSLY it is the sims fault.

 

[10993]

By the way, who is up? This is still a draft to build the best team. After the draft we will:(1) All Proclaim we have the best team(2) All Proclaim victory in all sims for personality type A (the type that say the will win no matter what) All proclaim certain doom in all or certain sims for personality B (the type that, even when they know their team rules, goes Lou Holtz on everyone declaring they have no chance. Probably someone with no deadballers)(3) Try to WIS Sim. Try this other sim FFA vote Possible Baseball Board voteNow, lets ####### draft.

I came to peace with this awhile ago.I don't care if our sim can actually resurrect the dead and play games, or if the sim is no better than hitting marbles with baseball cards. Either way, its supposed to be secondary, and no matter how accurate or inaccurate it is someone will ##### that they got screwed over. Such is life.Let's just pick some players that we think are good.

Some people are taking this far too seriously. I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to scrap the sim altogether.

You can scrap whatever you want. Someone else can enter all the info into whatifsports.

 

[Koya]

By the way, who is up? This is still a draft to build the best team.  After the draft we will:(1)  All Proclaim we have the best team(2)  All Proclaim victory in all sims for personality type A (the type that say the will win no matter what)      All proclaim certain doom in all or certain sims for personality B (the type that, even when they know their team rules, goes Lou Holtz on everyone declaring they have no chance.  Probably someone with no deadballers)(3)  Try to WIS Sim.      Try this other sim      FFA vote      Possible Baseball Board voteNow, lets ####### draft.

I came to peace with this awhile ago.I don't care if our sim can actually resurrect the dead and play games, or if the sim is no better than hitting marbles with baseball cards. Either way, its supposed to be secondary, and no matter how accurate or inaccurate it is someone will ##### that they got screwed over. Such is life.Let's just pick some players that we think are good.

Some people are taking this far too seriously. I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to scrap the sim altogether.

:revolt:haha. Heck, I will do more sims, other sims. The states intent of the draft was to get the best players. We did the sim as some objective way to judge. if the objective measure we thought was best is f'd up, then maybe there are better ones out there. Im game for anything. I committed to this sim, so work or not Im in. But I am open to other ways to judge our teams. People do need to relax a little.. it is a freaking on line draft.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Ready with my pick if the other guys move things along the bickering subsides..

 

[Bogart]

1.) I didn't go first. Young and Nichols were drafted before Keefe.

Young's relevant year is post-1900. As far as Nichols goes, I'm assuming Pickles read my criticism, decided it didn't matter to him, and got over it. Clearly he was a lot more secure and mature in responding to it than others have been. What's funnier is that Cappy feels compelled to respond on behalf of others to this effect, though he has no deadball pitchers himself.

I don't understand grouping Young with the other pitchers people have named. Young was picked 5th overall.....I think if the 1880s pitchers were all picked in the 1st and 2nd rounds the people against it would be more accepting. It's the fact that people MAY (not sure how the sim works exactly) be able to pick comparable pitchers to Young in the 12-15 rounds that is the problem.

I agree, Young is first round material, and I don't see Keefe nearly as good as him. But I do see Keefe as seventh round value for both the vote and the sim. If I pitch him like every other pitcher in my staff, his "value" should be right where he was drafted.

 

[Koya]

By the way, who is up? This is still a draft to build the best team.  After the draft we will:(1)  All Proclaim we have the best team(2)  All Proclaim victory in all sims for personality type A (the type that say the will win no matter what)      All proclaim certain doom in all or certain sims for personality B (the type that, even when they know their team rules, goes Lou Holtz on everyone declaring they have no chance.  Probably someone with no deadballers)(3)  Try to WIS Sim.      Try this other sim      FFA vote      Possible Baseball Board voteNow, lets ####### draft.

I came to peace with this awhile ago.I don't care if our sim can actually resurrect the dead and play games, or if the sim is no better than hitting marbles with baseball cards. Either way, its supposed to be secondary, and no matter how accurate or inaccurate it is someone will ##### that they got screwed over. Such is life.Let's just pick some players that we think are good.

Some people are taking this far too seriously. I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to scrap the sim altogether. Just tired of hearing about it, especially after I went to the trouble to get it all set up where we could have an unlimited cap, etc.I'm not doing this to have some teenager call me names because he's upset with the rules that were already set. #### it.

Does he have a teen sister? (lets talk about something serious. who is up? I just looked and realized I had a message, I have sammy's picks)

 

[Capella]

By the way, who is up? This is still a draft to build the best team.  After the draft we will:(1)  All Proclaim we have the best team(2)  All Proclaim victory in all sims for personality type A (the type that say the will win no matter what)      All proclaim certain doom in all or certain sims for personality B (the type that, even when they know their team rules, goes Lou Holtz on everyone declaring they have no chance.  Probably someone with no deadballers)(3)  Try to WIS Sim.      Try this other sim      FFA vote      Possible Baseball Board voteNow, lets ####### draft.

I came to peace with this awhile ago.I don't care if our sim can actually resurrect the dead and play games, or if the sim is no better than hitting marbles with baseball cards. Either way, its supposed to be secondary, and no matter how accurate or inaccurate it is someone will ##### that they got screwed over. Such is life.Let's just pick some players that we think are good.

Some people are taking this far too seriously. I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to scrap the sim altogether.

You can scrap whatever you want. Someone else can enter all the info into whatifsports.

gllllllll fitting all these players into their cap number.:stillers:I'm not scraping it, I'm just tired of hearing your crying.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Hope you guys like a steady diet of Kid Nichols cuz that's whatcha gonna get now.

 

[lastresort66]

Ok, just did a sim game where the 1887 Braves (w/ Radbourn's 4.55 ERA) vs the 1986 Detroit Tigers (w/Jack Morris). Braves won 4-3, Radbourn pitched a CG with only 3 ER.Next, I did a sim with the same 87 Braves vs the 2004 Red Sox w/ Pedro at the mound. Red Sox won 7-5, but Radbourn only allows 4 runs (3 unearned) vs Pedro's 4 runs.Then, I did a sim with those 87 Braves vs the '34 Yankees w/ Lefty Gomez. Radbourn gets murdered for 13 runs to Gomez's 3.Finally, I did a sim with the 87 Braves facing the 75 Reds w/ Don Gullet. Radbourn allows 4 runs again. Won't say how Gullet because he hasn't been drafted yet.So in conclusion, the sim is fair.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Heck, I will do more sims, other sims.

I'm strongly considering picking up Strat-O-Matic's computer game and all-time disk and seeing what it has to say.If there's one sim I KNOW is good, it's Strat.

 

[Capella]

Ok, just did a sim game where the 1887 Braves (w/ Radbourn's 4.55 ERA) vs the 1986 Detroit Tigers (w/Jack Morris). Braves won 4-3, Radbourn pitched a CG with only 3 ER.Next, I did a sim with the same 87 Braves vs the 2004 Red Sox w/ Pedro at the mound. Red Sox won 7-5, but Radbourn only allows 4 runs (3 unearned) vs Pedro's 4 runs.Then, I did a sim with those 87 Braves vs the '34 Yankees w/ Lefty Gomez. Radbourn gets murdered for 13 runs to Gomez's 3.Finally, I did a sim with the 87 Braves facing the 75 Reds w/ Don Gullet. Radbourn allows 4 runs again. Won't say how Gullet because he hasn't been drafted yet.So in conclusion, the sim is fair.

don't tell harrier though, you're going to mess his shtick up.

 

[lastresort66]

Heck, I will do more sims, other sims.

I'm strongly considering picking up Strat-O-Matic's computer game and all-time disk and seeing what it has to say.If there's one sim I KNOW is good, it's Strat.

 

[lastresort66]

Ok, just did a sim game where the 1887 Braves (w/ Radbourn's 4.55 ERA) vs the 1986 Detroit Tigers (w/Jack Morris). Braves won 4-3, Radbourn pitched a CG with only 3 ER.Next, I did a sim with the same 87 Braves vs the 2004 Red Sox w/ Pedro at the mound. Red Sox won 7-5, but Radbourn only allows 4 runs (3 unearned) vs Pedro's 4 runs.Then, I did a sim with those 87 Braves vs the '34 Yankees w/ Lefty Gomez. Radbourn gets murdered for 13 runs to Gomez's 3.Finally, I did a sim with the 87 Braves facing the 75 Reds w/ Don Gullet. Radbourn allows 4 runs again. Won't say how Gullet because he hasn't been drafted yet.So in conclusion, the sim is fair.

don't tell harrier though, you're going to mess his shtick up.

:rotflmao:

 

[Koya]

Heck, I will do more sims, other sims.

I'm strongly considering picking up Strat-O-Matic's computer game and all-time disk and seeing what it has to say.If there's one sim I KNOW is good, it's Strat.

Spartans, I live next to the town where Strat is HQ. My friends played it all the time when we were young (I was playing stickball and never got into strat). We are talking small town on long island, so if you want, I might be able to pick one up for you and send it. I am sure they ship direct, probably not too expensive either but if it is more that way, I can get one.

 

[Capella]

Hope you guys like a steady diet of Kid Nichols cuz that's whatcha gonna get now.

:rotflmao:

 

[10993]

Ok, just did a sim game where the 1887 Braves (w/ Radbourn's 4.55 ERA) vs the 1986 Detroit Tigers (w/Jack Morris). Braves won 4-3, Radbourn pitched a CG with only 3 ER.Next, I did a sim with the same 87 Braves vs the 2004 Red Sox w/ Pedro at the mound. Red Sox won 7-5, but Radbourn only allows 4 runs (3 unearned) vs Pedro's 4 runs.Then, I did a sim with those 87 Braves vs the '34 Yankees w/ Lefty Gomez. Radbourn gets murdered for 13 runs to Gomez's 3.Finally, I did a sim with the 87 Braves facing the 75 Reds w/ Don Gullet. Radbourn allows 4 runs again. Won't say how Gullet because he hasn't been drafted yet.So in conclusion, the sim is fair.

All that this shows is that guys will pitch at the ERA they are drafted. So expect KEefe to blow the world out of the water. This proves my point, Capella, not disproves.Sort of sad that you guys didn't notice that, but I don't really mind having to explain it.

 

[Koya]

WHO IS UP? I have sammys picks, but after going back PAGES, I wonder if someone has an up to date list? tia

 

[lastresort66]

Ok, just did a sim game where the 1887 Braves (w/ Radbourn's 4.55 ERA) vs the 1986 Detroit Tigers (w/Jack Morris).  Braves won 4-3, Radbourn pitched a CG with only 3 ER.Next, I did a sim with the same 87 Braves vs the 2004 Red Sox w/ Pedro at the mound.  Red Sox won 7-5, but Radbourn only allows 4 runs (3 unearned) vs Pedro's 4 runs.Then, I did a sim with those 87 Braves vs the '34 Yankees w/ Lefty Gomez.  Radbourn gets murdered for 13 runs to Gomez's 3.Finally, I did a sim with the 87 Braves facing the 75 Reds w/ Don Gullet.  Radbourn allows 4 runs again. Won't say how Gullet because he hasn't been drafted yet.So in conclusion, the sim is fair.

All that this shows is that guys will pitch at the ERA they are drafted. So expect KEefe to blow the world out of the water. This proves my point, Capella, not disproves.Sort of sad that you guys didn't notice that, but I don't really mind having to explain it.

Ok, let's see how Keefe does.Be back in a minute.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Nipsey to a white courtesy phone..

 

[Nipsey]

OREL HERSHISER

I was going to take one of those dead ball era guys, but I just don't have the heart to do it.

 

[Capella]

Ok, just did a sim game where the 1887 Braves (w/ Radbourn's 4.55 ERA) vs the 1986 Detroit Tigers (w/Jack Morris).  Braves won 4-3, Radbourn pitched a CG with only 3 ER.Next, I did a sim with the same 87 Braves vs the 2004 Red Sox w/ Pedro at the mound.  Red Sox won 7-5, but Radbourn only allows 4 runs (3 unearned) vs Pedro's 4 runs.Then, I did a sim with those 87 Braves vs the '34 Yankees w/ Lefty Gomez.  Radbourn gets murdered for 13 runs to Gomez's 3.Finally, I did a sim with the 87 Braves facing the 75 Reds w/ Don Gullet.  Radbourn allows 4 runs again. Won't say how Gullet because he hasn't been drafted yet.So in conclusion, the sim is fair.

All that this shows is that guys will pitch at the ERA they are drafted. So expect KEefe to blow the world out of the water. This proves my point, Capella, not disproves.Sort of sad that you guys didn't notice that, but I don't really mind having to explain it.

Just pitched Tim Keefe against the '99 DBacks and Randy Johnson.His box score

Tim Keefe (L) 9.00 14 6 5 4 13 0 171 ----

14 hits, 5 earned runs. Outstanding.:stillers:Can we drop it now?

 

[Capella]

Ok, just did a sim game where the 1887 Braves (w/ Radbourn's 4.55 ERA) vs the 1986 Detroit Tigers (w/Jack Morris).  Braves won 4-3, Radbourn pitched a CG with only 3 ER.Next, I did a sim with the same 87 Braves vs the 2004 Red Sox w/ Pedro at the mound.  Red Sox won 7-5, but Radbourn only allows 4 runs (3 unearned) vs Pedro's 4 runs.Then, I did a sim with those 87 Braves vs the '34 Yankees w/ Lefty Gomez.  Radbourn gets murdered for 13 runs to Gomez's 3.Finally, I did a sim with the 87 Braves facing the 75 Reds w/ Don Gullet.  Radbourn allows 4 runs again. Won't say how Gullet because he hasn't been drafted yet.So in conclusion, the sim is fair.

All that this shows is that guys will pitch at the ERA they are drafted. So expect KEefe to blow the world out of the water. This proves my point, Capella, not disproves.Sort of sad that you guys didn't notice that, but I don't really mind having to explain it.

Just pitched Tim Keefe against the '99 DBacks and Randy Johnson.His box score

Tim Keefe (L) 9.00 14 6 5 4 13 0 171 ----

14 hits, 5 earned runs. Outstanding.:stillers:Can we drop it now?

Just pitched Keefe against the absolutely horrific '99 Devil Rays.8 hits, 4 earned.I imagine he's going to face better hitters than that DRays squad here in the sim.Look what I got for ya... and one of these:and a variety pack of Shut up about it already.

 

[Capella]

OREL HERSHISER

I was going to take one of those dead ball era guys, but I just don't have the heart to do it.

almost took him over Tommy..wanted the lefty.

 

[lastresort66]

Game 1: 85 Giants (w/ Keefe) vs 86 TigersResult: Keefe allows 3 ER in 11 IP (WTF?! ) Giants lose.Game 2: 85 Giants vs 04 Red SoxResult: Keefe allows 5 ER in 9 IP. Giants lose.Game 3: 85 Giants vs 35 YankeesResult: Keefe allows 4 ER in 9 IP (I'm starting to notice a trend here). Giants lose.P.S. Babe Ruth went 0-3 with 2 BB's. Giants lose.Game 4: 85 Giants vs 75 RedsResult: Keefe allows 1 ER in 9 IP. Giants win.So in conclusion, Keefe is indeed human. He's a good pitcher, but human nontheless.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

OREL HERSHISER

I was going to take one of those dead ball era guys, but I just don't have the heart to do it.

Great pick. Orel is a hero of mine.

 

[Koya]

just to verify, sammy is up, yes? (I have his pick)

 

[Mr. Pickles]

just to verify, sammy is up, yes? (I have his pick)

yes