Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
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***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter Capella
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Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Lunch time. Anyone else have a hankerin' for some ribs? WHERE IS NIPSEY?
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
My guess is they're going to copy that Outback commercial with the dudes in jeans showing off their ###es to the female customer. Nipsey will be the blonde dude with long hair.fajitas, myself.wonder if he'll be the waiter carrying the plate of sizzling hot beef, or if he'll be one of the busbous singing?
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oso diablo
Footballguy
StartersC: Gene Tenace - ( R) on base machine with decent pop, esp for a catcher
1B: Carlos Delgado - (L) 948 career OPS, with a 140 OPS+
2B: Larry Doyle - (L) 126 OPS+ is great for a 2B. Played in dead-ball era. OPS translated to modern era = 836
SS: Cecil Travis - (L) 3-time all-star before going off to war. Finished higher than Dimaggio in the 1941 (the year of his legendary streak) batting race. Never the same player after the war.
3B: Ron Cey - ( R) 6x all-star. 9x top 10 in HR.
LF: Gavvy Cravath - ( R) one of the first great power hitters. When Ruth hit 54 HR in 1920, he broke Cravath's single-season record of 24, set in 1915.
CF: Jimmy Wynn - ( R) a very underrated player, because he played in the 60s pitchers era in a most extreme pitchers park (Astrodome). James' #10 CF.
RF: Elmer Flick - (L) Hall of Famer with a 149 OPS+.
Bench
C: Darrell Porter (L)
1B: Norm Cash (L) - masher
IF: Bert Campaneris ( R) - speedster, can play anywhere
IF/OF: Tony Phillips (B) - versatile
IF: Monte Ward (L) - Hall of Famer, great speed
OF: Reggie Smith (B) - can play CF
OF: Rusty Staub (L)
Pitchers coming next.
GWB, for the OOTP sim, you could mix these guys in with the NeLers if you need to water down that team.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Thanks. I'm hoping to get that together this weekend.oso, you need to get in on this GDR thing.
oso diablo
Footballguy
Leftover Pitching team (# seasons in top 10 in ERA)Lefties:Mark Langston (3)Chuck Finley (5)Teddy Higuera (2)Righties:Wes Ferrell (7)Tommy Bridges (10)Paul Derringer (3)Virgil Trucks (4)Mel Harder (6)Bob Friend (5)Milt Pappas (8)
oso diablo
Footballguy
Going strictly by the rankings model, the top 4 teams are:1. sammy2. mr. pickles3. koya4. capellaHowever, i'm concerned about mr. pickles team only having 4 guys to cover three crucial up-the-middle positions: Catcher, 2B, and SS. He only has Yogi, Biggio, Larkin, and Knoblauch, unless i missed something. One injury and his team is hurting. I'll have to downgrade his team, then, in my final subjective rankings.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Eck and Fingers are nothing more than windowdressing. I think Fingers is one of the more overrated pitchers of all time, actually. Eck was good, but both were drafted too early.I'll see you at the sim. When I beat you there it's not going to be pretty. Once I drafted Eck the damn thing was over, throw in Fingers, and well, how can that club not win 120-130 games?Poor Nipsey.
Nipsey
Footballguy
Baseball games are won on the sim field, not by some rankings model. :graduate:I'll see you at the sim. When I beat you there it's not going to be pretty. Once I drafted Eck the damn thing was over, throw in Fingers, and well, how can that club not win 120-130 games?
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
We're up to 13 teams in GDR. Three more spots open. 
Nipsey
Footballguy
Oh, OK Lana Wood...Eck and Fingers are nothing more than windowdressing. I think Fingers is one of the more overrated pitchers of all time, actually. Eck was good, but both were drafted too early.I'll see you at the sim. When I beat you there it's not going to be pretty. Once I drafted Eck the damn thing was over, throw in Fingers, and well, how can that club not win 120-130 games?
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Oh, Nipsey. He was just ribbing you. Don't take the bait so easily.Baseball games are won on the sim field, not by some rankings model. :graduate:I'll see you at the sim. When I beat you there it's not going to be pretty. Once I drafted Eck the damn thing was over, throw in Fingers, and well, how can that club not win 120-130 games?
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Have you seen those things? Damn.. Plenty O'Toole indeed.Oh, OK Lana Wood...Eck and Fingers are nothing more than windowdressing. I think Fingers is one of the more overrated pitchers of all time, actually. Eck was good, but both were drafted too early.I'll see you at the sim. When I beat you there it's not going to be pretty. Once I drafted Eck the damn thing was over, throw in Fingers, and well, how can that club not win 120-130 games?
Nipsey
Footballguy
I saw them and I like them, but she went way too early in that thing. (especially with Poppos, the seasoned vet, just waiting to be chosen)Have you seen those things? Damn.. Plenty O'Toole indeed.Oh, OK Lana Wood...Eck and Fingers are nothing more than windowdressing. I think Fingers is one of the more overrated pitchers of all time, actually. Eck was good, but both were drafted too early.I'll see you at the sim. When I beat you there it's not going to be pretty. Once I drafted Eck the damn thing was over, throw in Fingers, and well, how can that club not win 120-130 games?
Kraft...
Footballguy
If we put that thing to a vote I might have a chance due to the Hottness factor of my squad. I find it hard to believe that FFA voters wouldn't give points for hottness. On Milkers alone though I would be in trouble.I saw them and I like them, but she went way too early in that thing. (especially with Poppos, the seasoned vet, just waiting to be chosen)Have you seen those things? Damn.. Plenty O'Toole indeed.Oh, OK Lana Wood...Eck and Fingers are nothing more than windowdressing. I think Fingers is one of the more overrated pitchers of all time, actually. Eck was good, but both were drafted too early.I'll see you at the sim. When I beat you there it's not going to be pretty. Once I drafted Eck the damn thing was over, throw in Fingers, and well, how can that club not win 120-130 games?
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
lmao.practice, practice, practice.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Thank god your Taurasi avatar broke.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Please don't. I beg of you. Put Sue Bird in her place.
Koya
Footballguy
Well, if someone was sim fishing then the sim wont prove much either.I say raw numbers tabulations are a tool but have to be measured in context. As important as the numbers is how a team will fit together (L/R matchups, having a run producing lineup, having good defense in key positions).Personally, I think the sim will prove far less than we had originally hoped. If you could sim over an average of a guys #3-7 or #3-10 seasons, that would be far more indicative I would admit. That said, I am excited about the sim and curious to see how things roll out day to day. I just dont like how "3rd year" oriented the sim is, when we did not draft for that. I asked before, not sure if it was noticed - for the OOTP sims, how hard is it to run the same sim more than once, but using different seasons? Will the same teams win best 3rd, 4th AND 5th years, or will the actually seasons have a significant impact.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
It wouldn't be hard to run multiple seasons. Just manual data-entry on my part. Yes, the different seasons would make a difference in the resule. It should, anyway, since the player ratings are being generated based on the stats being used.I could always use a career average database instead of individual seasons.
Koya
Footballguy
Well, since yours is not the "offical" afterthought, maybe we can talk about a different method. Especially if you are talking about manual input. Career statistics really hurt guys who went too long - which would help my team because I am not a big fan of compilers... but some guys might be unfairly hurt by career. Then again, one year is only one year. Maybe we just take a 4th or 5th best year?Im open to anything, but certainly open to suggestions. That one is your gig so whatever you decide will be fine.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
The ultimate would be taking their best 5 seasons and averaging them.Of course, that's not what it says in the rules and the sim-
ers would be angry.Not to mention that it would be a ton of work... I've been working on creating an All-Time roster for each team to put in a sim on OOTP and I've been doing the 5yr avg for their stats. I've got 15-20 teams done already and I'm looking forward to finishing it up and simming.examples:Babe Ruth's 5 yr avg: .375 - 52 - 150 .516 obp, .732 slgJoe Morgan's 5 yr avg: .303 - 22 - 85 62 sbs, .432 obp
Koya
Footballguy
I would suggest top 7-8 years, but 5 gives a good "peak" - problem is a lot of players have an amazing peak and little else. 7-8 years gives room for a bit more of what that player was when we was great, but maybe not his absolute BEST.Either way, avg. 5 years is better than a random year, or career stats imo. A 5 year average year long sim would give a very accurate depiction of which teams are better, IMO.One thing that might be better though, is not necessarily a players best 5 or 7 years, but the best 5-8 year span.Some players are great but inconsistent (Ripken). You take his BEST 5 seasons, you get all the good - .300 average included, but if you take his best 5 or 8 year stretch, now you include those .270 years in there. That may be the most accurate depiction of all. 10 year span, or 8 year, averaged. Would be a lot of work though perhaps. I would be willing to do either for my team if a group or all of us were willing to do the same.The ultimate would be taking their best 5 seasons and averaging them.Of course, that's not what it says in the rules and the sim-
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Points taken. For my thing, some of the "All Time" teams are going to be hurting pretty badly (San Diego Padres). So it was easier to do the best 5.I would suggest top 7-8 years, but 5 gives a good "peak" - problem is a lot of players have an amazing peak and little else. 7-8 years gives room for a bit more of what that player was when we was great, but maybe not his absolute BEST.Either way, avg. 5 years is better than a random year, or career stats imo. A 5 year average year long sim would give a very accurate depiction of which teams are better, IMO.One thing that might be better though, is not necessarily a players best 5 or 7 years, but the best 5-8 year span.Some players are great but inconsistent (Ripken). You take his BEST 5 seasons, you get all the good - .300 average included, but if you take his best 5 or 8 year stretch, now you include those .270 years in there. That may be the most accurate depiction of all. 10 year span, or 8 year, averaged. Would be a lot of work though perhaps. I would be willing to do either for my team if a group or all of us were willing to do the same.The ultimate would be taking their best 5 seasons and averaging them.Of course, that's not what it says in the rules and the sim-
Doug B
Footballguy
I still can't believe anyone was actually against going with third-or-worst seasons instead of strictly third season.Looking back, it might have been preferable just to eliminate the #1 WIS season, but allow any others.Of course, that's not what it says in the rules and the sim-
Koya
Footballguy
Honestly, I can not for the life of me understand why people would be so against using a worse season either. Makes everything easier and more fun. Certainly seems fair. Fair enough for a non money online message board league!If this were my big $$ FF league, that is different. But hey, when you admittedly make rules on the run, you have to have some flexibility. ANYhoo (that should spur about 10 pages of that arguement), we do have all these other options to find a better way. OOTP and others.I am actually going to download OOTP myself - how hard is it to use? I would be willing to run a sim of best 8 year consecutive run or something close to that, if it is possible on OOTP. Again, a guy that has a great year then a decent, then a great then a decent for 10 years is not as good as someone who was great for 10 years, but averaging best seasons would not demonstrate the inconsistency.I still can't believe anyone was actually against going with third-or-worst seasons instead of strictly third season.Looking back, it might have been preferable just to eliminate the #1 WIS season, but allow any others.Of course, that's not what it says in the rules and the sim-
Doug B
Footballguy
Yes, but what flubbed that up was the use of WIS 3rd-best salary figures as a cheatsheet. Some people drafted knowing exactly what they were getting, and some didn't.Rule threads need not be set in stone. However, I do understand that you don't people posting about rule changes every other page.I don't know. Seems we were three or four drafters away from having a consensus to change the rule ... that was a little frusttrating. Not that there was resistance, but that it was oh-so-close to having no resistance..
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Uh oh. Here it comes.*sits against wall and puts head between knees*You said this in the basketball draft and I was just asthen. Didn't Cappy make a rules thread and spell out rules in the first post?
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
I didn't realize how much of a stud he truly was until I took a gander at the stats.
