***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (1 Viewer)

[Nipsey]

It was a nice run.

 

[Kraft...]

Bob Gibson is being deligated to Mop Up after his start this evening , hate to do it but he's been atrocious (Edit to keep sadbanana string going)

 

[Capella]

my team

 

[Doug B]

Losing 2 out of 3 when you outscore the team in a series really hurts (especially when you look at the box scores and see what lead to some of those one run losses).

One-run losses ... oh boy One bad thing about my team is that I essentially had two first basemen that had to play -- Murray and Kluszewski (I'll take 178 RBIs from my 19th rounder). I tried both of those guys at RF, and both drop a ton of balls (lost in the sun? Who knows?).

I also had to bench Ryne Sandberg's glove because he was hitting so poorly early in the season. Buddy Myer was not as good defensively, but for a while, he was hitting awesome (and still has a .420 OBP). When Myer slumped, I even tried Tim Raines at second (he qualified for a D fielding grade by playing 20 games at 2B in real life). That was a very bad idea, defensively -- I'll just leave it at that.

My defense really, really suffered for some of the offensive moves I made. And in turn, the one-run losses and the ninth-inning comebacks against me mounted.

.

 

[Nipsey]

I went with a five man staff early, but after my number five guy kept getting killed, I moved to a four man rotation ...

I tried that, too -- I thought maybe my starters were getting cold (!). Didn't help.

The lack of fatigue in this thing could have things messy if guys went with two and three man rotations.

Agreed. There ain't no way any starting pitcher should be at 100% right after pitching a full game.

I think that's still the biggest problem with the sim (and I don't think there is anyway to solve it).

I think the 100% reading for pitchers wasn't accurate. My team didn't start playing well until I stuck with a rotation and didn't just pitch who i wanted because they were 100%. The bigger issue seemed to be with the bullpens. My guys must have blown 40% of their save chances. That's why the Quantrill situation was inexcusable for me and some others. If I had a guy like that in my bullpen, I'd be contending for my division.

 

[Sammy3469]

I went with a five man staff early, but after my number five guy kept getting killed, I moved to a four man rotation ...

I tried that, too -- I thought maybe my starters were getting cold (!). Didn't help.

The lack of fatigue in this thing could have things messy if guys went with two and three man rotations.

Agreed. There ain't no way any starting pitcher should be at 100% right after pitching a full game.

I think that's still the biggest problem with the sim (and I don't think there is anyway to solve it).

I think the 100% reading for pitchers wasn't accurate. My team didn't start playing well until I stuck with a rotation and didn't just pitch who i wanted because they were 100%. The bigger issue seemed to be with the bullpens. My guys must have blown 40% of their save chances. That's why the Quantrill situation was inexcusable for me and some others. If I had a guy like that in my bullpen, I'd be contending for my division.

Agreed...though looking at the BS category everyone seems to have this problem.

 

[Kraft...]

Losing 2 out of 3 when you outscore the team in a series really hurts (especially when you look at the box scores and see what lead to some of those one run losses).

One-run losses ... oh boy One bad thing about my team is that I essentially had two first basemen that had to play -- Murray and Kluszewski (I'll take 178 RBIs from my 19th rounder). I tried both of those guys at RF, and both drop a ton of balls (lost in the sun? Who knows?).

I also had to bench Ryne Sandberg's glove because he was hitting so poorly early in the season. Buddy Myer was not as good defensively, but for a while, he was hitting awesome (and still has a .420 OBP). When Myer slumped, I even tried Tim Raines at second (he qualified for a D fielding grade by playing 20 games at 2B in real life). That was a very bad idea, defensively -- I'll just leave it at that.

My defense really, really suffered for some of the offensive moves I made. And in turn, the one-run losses and the ninth-inning comebacks against me mounted.

.

Defense has really killed me as well, I can't count on both hands how many losses I have due to Pesky or Joe D errors Just checked my stats almost 100 unearned runs

 

[Doug B]

Nipsey -- how in the heck did you get so many complete games from your starters? Did you set them to not get pulled unless heaven and earth moved?

 

[UCONN]

Losing 2 out of 3 when you outscore the team in a series really hurts (especially when you look at the box scores and see what lead to some of those one run losses).

One-run losses ... oh boy One bad thing about my team is that I essentially had two first basemen that had to play -- Murray and Kluszewski (I'll take 178 RBIs from my 19th rounder). I tried both of those guys at RF, and both drop a ton of balls (lost in the sun? Who knows?).

I also had to bench Ryne Sandberg's glove because he was hitting so poorly early in the season. Buddy Myer was not as good defensively, but for a while, he was hitting awesome (and still has a .420 OBP). When Myer slumped, I even tried Tim Raines at second (he qualified for a D fielding grade by playing 20 games at 2B in real life). That was a very bad idea, defensively -- I'll just leave it at that.

My defense really, really suffered for some of the offensive moves I made. And in turn, the one-run losses and the ninth-inning comebacks against me mounted.

.

Situational hitting has been my downfall. We've been ok in almost every other area. Pitching has been adequate. We've fielded the ball well. We've hit for average and power. We just have way too many strike-outs which makes it hard to manufacture runs and really hurts in the close, particularly low scoring and close, games.

 

[Doug B]

Defense has really killed me as well, I can't count on both hands how many losses I have due to Pesky or Joe D errors

Is this even faithful to real life? Was Joe DiMaggio all offense and no defense?For me, Musial is a lights-out hitter, but an extremely weak fielder. I thought the HOFers were solid in both.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Nipsey, I think your West Wing episode was on last night. Were you the guy in the conference room with Josh, Leo, and Will?

Had a line something like, "My candidate isn't going to go for that" or something.

That's a negative ghostrider.

Was this the guy from last night? That is NOT me but he is a good friend of mine who was on the show multiple times this season. Or was it this guy the guy from the Sopranos (Carmelas cousin, the finacial planner?) Not me either.

I don't think so. He had the same massive forehead as that guy but with more hair. What is one of your lines?

 

[Sammy3469]

Losing 2 out of 3 when you outscore the team in a series really hurts (especially when you look at the box scores and see what lead to some of those one run losses).

One-run losses ... oh boy One bad thing about my team is that I essentially had two first basemen that had to play -- Murray and Kluszewski (I'll take 178 RBIs from my 19th rounder). I tried both of those guys at RF, and both drop a ton of balls (lost in the sun? Who knows?).

I also had to bench Ryne Sandberg's glove because he was hitting so poorly early in the season. Buddy Myer was not as good defensively, but for a while, he was hitting awesome (and still has a .420 OBP). When Myer slumped, I even tried Tim Raines at second (he qualified for a D fielding grade by playing 20 games at 2B in real life). That was a very bad idea, defensively -- I'll just leave it at that.

My defense really, really suffered for some of the offensive moves I made. And in turn, the one-run losses and the ninth-inning comebacks against me mounted.

.

Situational hitting has been my downfall. We've been ok in almost every other area. Pitching has been adequate. We've fielded the ball well. We've hit for average and power. We just have way too many strike-outs which makes it hard to manufacture runs and really hurts in the close, particularly low scoring and close, games.

I think this is something that we generally overlooked in drafting or even setting our lineups. WIS is basically a Billy Beane, Theo Epstein simulation. Meaning that instead of maximizing HRs or runs or something throughout the lineup, we should have focused on mimizing the chances of an out (productive or Ks). It's a somewhat nuianced point, but it shows up in close games. Runs and OBP are highly correlated in this thing

Errors do too

 

[Kraft...]

Defense has really killed me as well, I can't count on both hands how many losses I have due to Pesky or Joe D errors 

Is this even faithful to real life? Was Joe DiMaggio all offense and no defense?For me, Musial is a lights-out hitter, but an extremely weak fielder. I thought the HOFers were solid in both.

He's graded as a C-/A+. In 13 seasons he only had more than 10 errors 3 times he has 14 in the Sim so far.Pesky is an A/A+ and he has 16 errors, that one I can't figure out

 

[UCONN]

Losing 2 out of 3 when you outscore the team in a series really hurts (especially when you look at the box scores and see what lead to some of those one run losses).

One-run losses ... oh boy One bad thing about my team is that I essentially had two first basemen that had to play -- Murray and Kluszewski (I'll take 178 RBIs from my 19th rounder). I tried both of those guys at RF, and both drop a ton of balls (lost in the sun? Who knows?).

I also had to bench Ryne Sandberg's glove because he was hitting so poorly early in the season. Buddy Myer was not as good defensively, but for a while, he was hitting awesome (and still has a .420 OBP). When Myer slumped, I even tried Tim Raines at second (he qualified for a D fielding grade by playing 20 games at 2B in real life). That was a very bad idea, defensively -- I'll just leave it at that.

My defense really, really suffered for some of the offensive moves I made. And in turn, the one-run losses and the ninth-inning comebacks against me mounted.

.

Situational hitting has been my downfall. We've been ok in almost every other area. Pitching has been adequate. We've fielded the ball well. We've hit for average and power. We just have way too many strike-outs which makes it hard to manufacture runs and really hurts in the close, particularly low scoring and close, games.

I think this is something that we generally overlooked in drafting or even setting our lineups. WIS is basically a Billy Beane, Theo Epstein simulation. Meaning that instead of maximizing HRs or runs or something throughout the lineup, we should have focused on mimizing the chances of an out (productive or Ks). It's somewhat nuianced, but it shows up in close games.

Errors do too

yup. they talk about this a lot on their message board.

 

[Doug B]

Errors do too

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

 

[Doug B]

Pesky is an A/A+ and he has 16 errors, that one I can't figure out

Dam :( How can you plan against that?

 

[Nipsey]

Nipsey -- how in the heck did you get so many complete games from your starters? Did you set them to not get pulled unless heaven and earth moved?

Yes, I put them on maximum pitch counts and maxed out whatever other setting I could. Got tired of seeing Cy pitch 6 scoreless innings, only to lose 10-8.

 

[Doug B]

... instead of maximizing HRs or runs or something throughout the lineup, we should have focused on mimizing the chances of an out (productive or Ks).

Yep. It didn't take long for me to realize that Sammy Sosa and his Ks would be useless in this sim. That was more a pick for the FFA vote, though.

 

[Nipsey]

Nipsey, I think your West Wing episode was on last night. Were you the guy in the conference room with Josh, Leo, and Will?

Had a line something like, "My candidate isn't going to go for that" or something.

That's a negative ghostrider.

Was this the guy from last night? That is NOT me but he is a good friend of mine who was on the show multiple times this season. Or was it this guy the guy from the Sopranos (Carmelas cousin, the finacial planner?) Not me either.

I don't think so. He had the same massive forehead as that guy but with more hair. What is one of your lines?

I TiVo'd it. I'll get back to you. I think it was the finale though, definitely couldn't have been me. I have a normal forhead as well.

 

[UCONN]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I TiVo'd it. I'll get back to you. I think it was the finale though, definitely couldn't have been me. I have a normal forhead as well.

The finale isn't for a couple of weeks.

 

[Doug B]

Got tired of seeing Cy pitch 6 scoreless innings, only to lose 10-8.

This kinda happened to some of my starters at times, too, when they'd be on a hot streak. They'd go 6 or 7 innings, have a 4 run lead, retired the last 9 batters in order, and then WHAM! The sim decides your guy is "tired" and puts in a reliever with a 1.75 WHIP out there to get hammered.

 

[Nipsey]

I TiVo'd it.  I'll get back to you.  I think it was the finale though, definitely couldn't have been me. I have a normal forhead as well.

The finale isn't for a couple of weeks.

Then I have no idea. I played poker on wednesday with some guys who said it was the finale. Not to give anything away if they don't, but has anything happened with naming a VP? I think thats the finale. I could be wrong.

 

[Kraft...]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

I think that's a great idea(should minimize sim fishing as well).When the season ends we can start a thread for season two discussion(rules etc.)

 

[larry_boy_44]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

1996 32 BAL AL 149 579 117 172 37 5 50 110 21 8 76 106 .297 .396 .637 369 6 4 1 22 11This season isn't all that good... 50 home runs is incredible... but... he's an OF, how many other OFs got those numbers?

also, he was a 3 time all star, and once in the top 10 MVP voting (and one other time in the top 15)... so its not like he completely sucked forever...

1992 28 BAL AL 159 623 100 169 28 10 21 80 53 16 98 98 .271 .373 .449 280 10 9 14 9 2

1993 29 BAL AL 142 560 87 147 36 8 13 66 24 12 82 99 .262 .363 .425 238 6 6 4 10 4

1994 30 BAL AL 111 453 78 119 25 5 12 48 31 1 57 75 .263 .356 .419 190 3 2 3 10 7

1995 31 BAL AL 143 554 108 145 33 10 16 64 26 7 87 111 .262 .371 .444 246 4 2 4 10 3

1996 32 BAL AL 149 579 117 172 37 5 50 110 21 8 76 106 .297 .396 .637 369 6 4 1 22 11

1997 33 BAL AL 151 590 97 170 39 7 18 73 18 12 84 105 .288 .393 .469 277 2 1 6 19 1

1998 34 BAL AL 133 479 84 113 28 3 18 51 21 7 75 78 .236 .356 .420 201 4 1 1 15 7

1999 35 BAL AL 150 564 109 159 28 5 24 81 36 7 96 105 .282 .404 .477 269 1 7 7 24 6

2000 36 BAL AL 141 506 89 130 26 0 19 50 16 9 92 103 .257 .375 .421 213 5 7 5 8 4

if he would have played like that for 20 years instead of 10, we might even consider him a Hall of Famer... I doubt it... and he wouldn't belong in this draft... BUT, if he would have played that way for 2 or 3 more years (and had just one more season like the 50 homer one) and he would have been considered a much better player than he was...and I don't think that season was all that great anyways...

 

[Nipsey]

Got tired of seeing Cy pitch 6 scoreless innings, only to lose 10-8.

This kinda happened to some of my starters at times, too, when they'd be on a hot streak. They'd go 6 or 7 innings, have a 4 run lead, retired the last 9 batters in order, and then WHAM! The sim decides your guy is "tired" and puts in a reliever with a 1.75 WHIP out there to get hammered.

I only wish I drafted Quantrill and his third best overall year. Oh, what might have been....

 

[10993]

Losing 2 out of 3 when you outscore the team in a series really hurts (especially when you look at the box scores and see what lead to some of those one run losses).

One-run losses ... oh boy One bad thing about my team is that I essentially had two first basemen that had to play -- Murray and Kluszewski (I'll take 178 RBIs from my 19th rounder). I tried both of those guys at RF, and both drop a ton of balls (lost in the sun? Who knows?).

I also had to bench Ryne Sandberg's glove because he was hitting so poorly early in the season. Buddy Myer was not as good defensively, but for a while, he was hitting awesome (and still has a .420 OBP). When Myer slumped, I even tried Tim Raines at second (he qualified for a D fielding grade by playing 20 games at 2B in real life). That was a very bad idea, defensively -- I'll just leave it at that.

My defense really, really suffered for some of the offensive moves I made. And in turn, the one-run losses and the ninth-inning comebacks against me mounted.

.

Situational hitting has been my downfall. We've been ok in almost every other area. Pitching has been adequate. We've fielded the ball well. We've hit for average and power. We just have way too many strike-outs which makes it hard to manufacture runs and really hurts in the close, particularly low scoring and close, games.

I think this is something that we generally overlooked in drafting or even setting our lineups. WIS is basically a Billy Beane, Theo Epstein simulation. Meaning that instead of maximizing HRs or runs or something throughout the lineup, we should have focused on mimizing the chances of an out (productive or Ks). It's a somewhat nuianced point, but it shows up in close games. Runs and OBP are highly correlated in this thing

Errors do too

That's actually all I really based my drafting on--ERA and WHIP (turns out that the ERA was useless, but I didn't know that--should have used OAV instead) and OBP and SLG. As a result, I have the lowest ERA, the highest OBP, and the best record in the league (and I don't think it's that unrealistic to have seen that win streak, Cappy, given the difference in teams that I was playing). I likely won't win the world series, as there's too much luck involved, but that's okay.I'm really okay with calling that simfishing in that I drafted based on those stats--but I believe that the same thing would happen in real life that has happened in the sim. Especially in an environment of excellent players, pitchers who were good at getting outs and batters who were good at getting on base would succeed far above all others. In such an environment, it makes sense that Nolan Ryan would have difficulties walking too many people, and many of the other quirks that have been complained about. Some great players would be severely hampered by the entire compeitition being great. Others (and in my opinion, those with low WHIP and high OBP) would not.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Then I have no idea. I played poker on wednesday with some guys who said it was the finale. Not to give anything away if they don't, but has anything happened with naming a VP? I think thats the finale. I could be wrong.

Yes, that was the theme of this one but they showed scenes and commercials for the finale which was coming up.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

  Then I have no idea.  I played poker on wednesday with some guys who said it was the finale.  Not to give anything away if they don't, but has anything happened with naming a VP?  I think thats the finale.  I could be wrong.

Yes, that was the theme of this one but they showed scenes and commercials for the finale which was coming up.

Santos turned him down for the VP spot.

 

[Nipsey]

   Then I have no idea.  I played poker on wednesday with some guys who said it was the finale.  Not to give anything away if they don't, but has anything happened with naming a VP?  I think thats the finale.  I could be wrong.

Yes, that was the theme of this one but they showed scenes and commercials for the finale which was coming up.

Santos turned him down for the VP spot.

But they haven't named who the VP will be? If not, i know who it is if you want to know.

 

[Doug B]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

 

[UCONN]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

1996 32 BAL AL 149 579 117 172 37 5 50 110 21 8 76 106 .297 .396 .637 369 6 4 1 22 11This season isn't all that good... 50 home runs is incredible... but... he's an OF, how many other OFs got those numbers?

also, he was a 3 time all star, and once in the top 10 MVP voting (and one other time in the top 15)... so its not like he completely sucked forever...

1992 28 BAL AL 159  623  100  169  28 10  21  80  53 16  98  98  .271  .373  .449  280  10  9  14  9  2

1993 29 BAL AL 142  560  87  147  36  8  13  66  24 12  82  99  .262  .363  .425  238  6  6  4  10  4

1994 30 BAL AL 111  453  78  119  25  5  12  48  31  1  57  75  .263  .356  .419  190  3  2  3  10  7

1995 31 BAL AL 143  554  108  145  33 10  16  64  26  7  87 111  .262  .371  .444  246  4  2  4  10  3

1996 32 BAL AL 149  579  117  172  37  5  50  110  21  8  76 106  .297  .396  .637  369  6  4  1  22  11

1997 33 BAL AL 151  590  97  170  39  7  18  73  18 12  84 105  .288  .393  .469  277  2  1  6  19  1

1998 34 BAL AL 133  479  84  113  28  3  18  51  21  7  75  78  .236  .356  .420  201  4  1  1  15  7

1999 35 BAL AL 150  564  109  159  28  5  24  81  36  7  96 105  .282  .404  .477  269  1  7  7  24  6

2000 36 BAL AL 141  506  89  130  26  0  19  50  16  9  92 103  .257  .375  .421  213  5  7  5  8  4

if he would have played like that for 20 years instead of 10, we might even consider him a Hall of Famer... I doubt it... and he wouldn't belong in this draft... BUT, if he would have played that way for 2 or 3 more years (and had just one more season like the 50 homer one) and he would have been considered a much better player than he was...and I don't think that season was all that great anyways...

:rotflmao: That's good shtick.

 

[Doug B]

I think that's a great idea(should minimize sim fishing as well).

I'm cool with sim-fishing -- if every drafter is doing it.EDIT:

Wait, I see what you mean -- it would prevent sim-fishing for a specific third season, for example.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

am I invited???

 

[UCONN]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

Sounds good to me.

 

[10993]

Errors do too

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

am I invited???

NO

 

[Nipsey]

Losing 2 out of 3 when you outscore the team in a series really hurts (especially when you look at the box scores and see what lead to some of those one run losses).

One-run losses ... oh boy One bad thing about my team is that I essentially had two first basemen that had to play -- Murray and Kluszewski (I'll take 178 RBIs from my 19th rounder). I tried both of those guys at RF, and both drop a ton of balls (lost in the sun? Who knows?).

I also had to bench Ryne Sandberg's glove because he was hitting so poorly early in the season. Buddy Myer was not as good defensively, but for a while, he was hitting awesome (and still has a .420 OBP). When Myer slumped, I even tried Tim Raines at second (he qualified for a D fielding grade by playing 20 games at 2B in real life). That was a very bad idea, defensively -- I'll just leave it at that.

My defense really, really suffered for some of the offensive moves I made. And in turn, the one-run losses and the ninth-inning comebacks against me mounted.

.

Situational hitting has been my downfall. We've been ok in almost every other area. Pitching has been adequate. We've fielded the ball well. We've hit for average and power. We just have way too many strike-outs which makes it hard to manufacture runs and really hurts in the close, particularly low scoring and close, games.

I think this is something that we generally overlooked in drafting or even setting our lineups. WIS is basically a Billy Beane, Theo Epstein simulation. Meaning that instead of maximizing HRs or runs or something throughout the lineup, we should have focused on mimizing the chances of an out (productive or Ks). It's a somewhat nuianced point, but it shows up in close games. Runs and OBP are highly correlated in this thing

Errors do too

That's actually all I really based my drafting on--ERA and WHIP (turns out that the ERA was useless, but I didn't know that--should have used OAV instead) and OBP and SLG. As a result, I have the lowest ERA, the highest OBP, and the best record in the league (and I don't think it's that unrealistic to have seen that win streak, Cappy, given the difference in teams that I was playing). I likely won't win the world series, as there's too much luck involved, but that's okay.I'm really okay with calling that simfishing in that I drafted based on those stats--but I believe that the same thing would happen in real life that has happened in the sim. Especially in an environment of excellent players, pitchers who were good at getting outs and batters who were good at getting on base would succeed far above all others. In such an environment, it makes sense that Nolan Ryan would have difficulties walking too many people, and many of the other quirks that have been complained about. Some great players would be severely hampered by the entire compeitition being great. Others (and in my opinion, those with low WHIP and high OBP) would not.

The problem was, some of us drafted for the sim and others for the vote. I tried to do both, which was a mistake. If we do another sim I know I'm only looking at two stats, one for hitters one for pitchers, and drafting straight off a list. Seems silly though.

 

[Sammy3469]

Losing 2 out of 3 when you outscore the team in a series really hurts (especially when you look at the box scores and see what lead to some of those one run losses).

One-run losses ... oh boy One bad thing about my team is that I essentially had two first basemen that had to play -- Murray and Kluszewski (I'll take 178 RBIs from my 19th rounder). I tried both of those guys at RF, and both drop a ton of balls (lost in the sun? Who knows?).

I also had to bench Ryne Sandberg's glove because he was hitting so poorly early in the season. Buddy Myer was not as good defensively, but for a while, he was hitting awesome (and still has a .420 OBP). When Myer slumped, I even tried Tim Raines at second (he qualified for a D fielding grade by playing 20 games at 2B in real life). That was a very bad idea, defensively -- I'll just leave it at that.

My defense really, really suffered for some of the offensive moves I made. And in turn, the one-run losses and the ninth-inning comebacks against me mounted.

.

Situational hitting has been my downfall. We've been ok in almost every other area. Pitching has been adequate. We've fielded the ball well. We've hit for average and power. We just have way too many strike-outs which makes it hard to manufacture runs and really hurts in the close, particularly low scoring and close, games.

I think this is something that we generally overlooked in drafting or even setting our lineups. WIS is basically a Billy Beane, Theo Epstein simulation. Meaning that instead of maximizing HRs or runs or something throughout the lineup, we should have focused on mimizing the chances of an out (productive or Ks). It's a somewhat nuianced point, but it shows up in close games. Runs and OBP are highly correlated in this thing

Errors do too

In such an environment, it makes sense that Nolan Ryan would have difficulties walking too many people, and many of the other quirks that have been complained about. Some great players would be severely hampered by the entire compeitition being great. Others (and in my opinion, those with low WHIP and high OBP) would not.

I agree with harrier on this point. I stayed away from any pitcher who gave up too many walks (though I should have included Sutton). That's a huge no-no in this sim.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

1996 32 BAL AL 149 579 117 172 37 5 50 110 21 8 76 106 .297 .396 .637 369 6 4 1 22 11This season isn't all that good... 50 home runs is incredible... but... he's an OF, how many other OFs got those numbers?

also, he was a 3 time all star, and once in the top 10 MVP voting (and one other time in the top 15)... so its not like he completely sucked forever...

1992 28 BAL AL 159  623  100  169  28 10  21   80  53 16  98  98  .271  .373  .449  280  10   9  14   9   2

1993 29 BAL AL 142  560   87  147  36  8  13   66  24 12  82  99  .262  .363  .425  238   6   6   4  10   4

1994 30 BAL AL 111  453   78  119  25  5  12   48  31  1  57  75  .263  .356  .419  190   3   2   3  10   7

1995 31 BAL AL 143  554  108  145  33 10  16   64  26  7  87 111  .262  .371  .444  246   4   2   4  10   3

1996 32 BAL AL 149  579  117  172  37  5  50  110  21  8  76 106  .297  .396  .637  369   6   4   1  22  11

1997 33 BAL AL 151  590   97  170  39  7  18   73  18 12  84 105  .288  .393  .469  277   2   1   6  19   1

1998 34 BAL AL 133  479   84  113  28  3  18   51  21  7  75  78  .236  .356  .420  201   4   1   1  15   7

1999 35 BAL AL 150  564  109  159  28  5  24   81  36  7  96 105  .282  .404  .477  269   1   7   7  24   6

2000 36 BAL AL 141  506   89  130  26  0  19   50  16  9  92 103  .257  .375  .421  213   5   7   5   8   4

if he would have played like that for 20 years instead of 10, we might even consider him a Hall of Famer... I doubt it... and he wouldn't belong in this draft... BUT, if he would have played that way for 2 or 3 more years (and had just one more season like the 50 homer one) and he would have been considered a much better player than he was...and I don't think that season was all that great anyways...

:rotflmao: That's good shtick.

all I'm saying is 20 HRs a year for 20 years with 1 year at 50 homers could have gotten someone in the Hall... especially if they hit only a little under .300but he only did it for 9 years...

He wasn't a great player... but he wasn't as HORRIBLE as everyone has been acting like he was...

and I don't think he'd be picked anyways... at least not for a long time... maybe in like the 20th round or so...

 

[UCONN]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

am I invited???

NO

:rotflmao:

 

[Kraft...]

I think that's a great idea(should minimize sim fishing as well).

I'm cool with sim-fishing -- if every drafter is doing it.EDIT:

Wait, I see what you mean -- it would prevent sim-fishing for a specific third season, for example.

Exactly, since you would get to pick the season it wouldn't matter.

 

[UCONN]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

1996 32 BAL AL 149 579 117 172 37 5 50 110 21 8 76 106 .297 .396 .637 369 6 4 1 22 11This season isn't all that good... 50 home runs is incredible... but... he's an OF, how many other OFs got those numbers?

also, he was a 3 time all star, and once in the top 10 MVP voting (and one other time in the top 15)... so its not like he completely sucked forever...

1992 28 BAL AL 159  623  100  169  28 10  21   80  53 16  98  98  .271  .373  .449  280  10   9  14   9   2

1993 29 BAL AL 142  560   87  147  36  8  13   66  24 12  82  99  .262  .363  .425  238   6   6   4  10   4

1994 30 BAL AL 111  453   78  119  25  5  12   48  31  1  57  75  .263  .356  .419  190   3   2   3  10   7

1995 31 BAL AL 143  554  108  145  33 10  16   64  26  7  87 111  .262  .371  .444  246   4   2   4  10   3

1996 32 BAL AL 149  579  117  172  37  5  50  110  21  8  76 106  .297  .396  .637  369   6   4   1  22  11

1997 33 BAL AL 151  590   97  170  39  7  18   73  18 12  84 105  .288  .393  .469  277   2   1   6  19   1

1998 34 BAL AL 133  479   84  113  28  3  18   51  21  7  75  78  .236  .356  .420  201   4   1   1  15   7

1999 35 BAL AL 150  564  109  159  28  5  24   81  36  7  96 105  .282  .404  .477  269   1   7   7  24   6

2000 36 BAL AL 141  506   89  130  26  0  19   50  16  9  92 103  .257  .375  .421  213   5   7   5   8   4

if he would have played like that for 20 years instead of 10, we might even consider him a Hall of Famer... I doubt it... and he wouldn't belong in this draft... BUT, if he would have played that way for 2 or 3 more years (and had just one more season like the 50 homer one) and he would have been considered a much better player than he was...and I don't think that season was all that great anyways...

:rotflmao: That's good shtick.

all I'm saying is 20 HRs a year for 20 years with 1 year at 50 homers could have gotten someone in the Hall... especially if they hit only a little under .300but he only did it for 9 years...

He wasn't a great player... but he wasn't as HORRIBLE as everyone has been acting like he was...

and I don't think he'd be picked anyways... at least not for a long time... maybe in like the 20th round or so...

He's closer to being in the baseball HOF than Shawn Marion (or Lebron) is to being in the basketball HOF...

 

[10993]

Losing 2 out of 3 when you outscore the team in a series really hurts (especially when you look at the box scores and see what lead to some of those one run losses).

One-run losses ... oh boy One bad thing about my team is that I essentially had two first basemen that had to play -- Murray and Kluszewski (I'll take 178 RBIs from my 19th rounder). I tried both of those guys at RF, and both drop a ton of balls (lost in the sun? Who knows?).

I also had to bench Ryne Sandberg's glove because he was hitting so poorly early in the season. Buddy Myer was not as good defensively, but for a while, he was hitting awesome (and still has a .420 OBP). When Myer slumped, I even tried Tim Raines at second (he qualified for a D fielding grade by playing 20 games at 2B in real life). That was a very bad idea, defensively -- I'll just leave it at that.

My defense really, really suffered for some of the offensive moves I made. And in turn, the one-run losses and the ninth-inning comebacks against me mounted.

.

Situational hitting has been my downfall. We've been ok in almost every other area. Pitching has been adequate. We've fielded the ball well. We've hit for average and power. We just have way too many strike-outs which makes it hard to manufacture runs and really hurts in the close, particularly low scoring and close, games.

I think this is something that we generally overlooked in drafting or even setting our lineups. WIS is basically a Billy Beane, Theo Epstein simulation. Meaning that instead of maximizing HRs or runs or something throughout the lineup, we should have focused on mimizing the chances of an out (productive or Ks). It's a somewhat nuianced point, but it shows up in close games. Runs and OBP are highly correlated in this thing

Errors do too

That's actually all I really based my drafting on--ERA and WHIP (turns out that the ERA was useless, but I didn't know that--should have used OAV instead) and OBP and SLG. As a result, I have the lowest ERA, the highest OBP, and the best record in the league (and I don't think it's that unrealistic to have seen that win streak, Cappy, given the difference in teams that I was playing). I likely won't win the world series, as there's too much luck involved, but that's okay.I'm really okay with calling that simfishing in that I drafted based on those stats--but I believe that the same thing would happen in real life that has happened in the sim. Especially in an environment of excellent players, pitchers who were good at getting outs and batters who were good at getting on base would succeed far above all others. In such an environment, it makes sense that Nolan Ryan would have difficulties walking too many people, and many of the other quirks that have been complained about. Some great players would be severely hampered by the entire compeitition being great. Others (and in my opinion, those with low WHIP and high OBP) would not.

The problem was, some of us drafted for the sim and others for the vote. I tried to do both, which was a mistake. If we do another sim I know I'm only looking at two stats, one for hitters one for pitchers, and drafting straight off a list. Seems silly though.

Well the seeding committee screwed me for the FFA vote, so I'm sort of just counting on the WIS.The seedings really should just be the results of the sim, though, I think. That's the most non-partial, objective way to do it--seed it by everyone's record.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

But they haven't named who the VP will be? If not, i know who it is if you want to know.

I don't think so. Santos turned him down so I assume they'll go after Baker - whoever the #### that is. Unless, you're talking about the Republican VP nominee. I'd be interested in hearing who that is. Hoines? Santos?No way that the current VP wins the election for POTUS. I think Alan Alda is a lock for it so I think they'll end up with some crazy #### like Hoines or Santos crossing party lines and being his VP.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

am I invited???

NO

wait... UCONN = Harrier??Otherwise... who asked you? (hint: nobody...)

 

[Nipsey]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

am I invited???

NO

I don't know how much clearer we can be. You dug your own grave on this one LB. You've come around slightly in the last month, but reporting posts in the thread was inexcusable. Vaya con Dios!

 

[Nipsey]

But they haven't named who the VP will be?  If not, i know who it is if you want to know.

I don't think so. Santos turned him down so I assume they'll go after Baker - whoever the #### that is. Unless, you're talking about the Republican VP nominee. I'd be interested in hearing who that is. Hoines? Santos?No way that the current VP wins the election for POTUS. I think Alan Alda is a lock for it so I think they'll end up with some crazy #### like Hoines or Santos crossing party lines and being his VP.

X

 

[UCONN]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

am I invited???

NO

wait... UCONN = Harrier??Otherwise... who asked you? (hint: nobody...)

This might get interesting...

 

[10993]

Errors do too

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

am I invited???

NO

wait... UCONN = Harrier??Otherwise... who asked you? (hint: nobody...)

I'm the commish for the next one, WPE. For winning this one, and recusing myself from having a team next time, that's my reward. All requests go through me.

 

[Nipsey]

Errors do too 

This is a big reason why in future sims, I really, really, really want to be able to pick the season used. Going strictly with "third season only" prevented us from making decisions based on factors such as defense.Heck, really I'd rather just pick any season with no restrictions. To keep the Brady Andersons out of an all-timer draft, we could impose minimum statistical standards of some kind.

That's not a bad idea.

While I'm trolling for ideas, what do you think of holding out for 24 drafters, taking time as needed to get a full set?Another idea while I'm on a roll -- teach everyone drafting to sim-fish up front, before the draft starts. Make WIS's stats more or less the default research tool everyone uses to construct their team.

I actually enjoyed the WIS sim, with all its quirks. I also enjoyed the All-Time MLB draft here on the FFA. It would be uber-cool to come up with a way to more closely mesh the two ideas together.

am I invited???

NO

wait... UCONN = Harrier??Otherwise... who asked you? (hint: nobody...)

I'm the commish for the next one, WPE. For winning this one, and recusing myself from having a team next time, that's my reward. All requests go through me.