***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

[Kraft...]

I also think we'll be dialing back the modern players. Again, back to Ferris, his idea was to cut the line at 1980 or so. Me likey.

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

I agree on both fronts here, for pre 1900 would it be a max 5 years pre 1900 or something like that?(for pitchers that straddle 1900)

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

After Lebron that basketball draft was doomed.  Ferris was only one of many casualties to that disaster.

I would very much appreciate Ferris's contributions to the follow-up MLB draft -- most especially if he is a participant.I, too, like his idea for picking players from across all eras.

Capella sez:

I also think we'll be dialing back the modern players. Again, back to Ferris, his idea was to cut the line at 1980 or so. Me likey.

I have a compromise position -- how about selecting only HOF-eligible players (those retired after the 1999 season or earlier). That makes the active cut-off an even 2000 -- if they played in 2000, they aren't eligible.

You read my mind Doug. HOF eligible is a good cutoff.I'd be fine with no pre-1900 players, pitchers or hitters.

 

[Koya]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

Getting rid of our 3 biggest cheaters (LB, Koya, and Cappy) should atleast be a good start.

Is that a threat? No, really. I dont like being threatened. :reported: - 2 times!

 

[UCONN]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

Getting rid of our 3 biggest cheaters (LB, Koya, and Cappy) should atleast be a good start.

Is that a threat? No, really. I dont like being threatened. :reported: - 2 times!

Good luck w/ that. I'm in good w/ some powerful people around here (think Joe B powerful).

 

[Sammy3469]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

 

[UCONN]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

One thing I can attest to is salary didn't equal performance. Atleast not for my squad. Some of my under-priced guys really got it done and some of my highest salaried players really under-achieved.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

Could we just cap individual pitcher salaries? How good dead these deadballers do?

 

[Sammy3469]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

Could we just cap individual pitcher salaries? How good dead these deadballers do?

It wasn't so much the pre-1900 pitchers, but the deadballers from 1905-15.

 

[UCONN]

I'm going to try to post some league wide analysis after the final game if I have time tonight or tommorrow sometime. Proboably try to make some play-off predictions as well and give out team awards and stuff. 500 pages is very attainable.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

Could we just cap individual pitcher salaries? How good dead these deadballers do?

It wasn't so much the pre-1900 pitchers, but the deadballers from 1905-15.

OK - how'd they do? Were they significantly better than say, Tom Seaver? I'm just wondering...

 

[Koya]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

Could we just cap individual pitcher salaries? How good dead these deadballers do?

It wasn't so much the pre-1900 pitchers, but the deadballers from 1905-15.

OK - how'd they do? Were they significantly better than say, Tom Seaver? I'm just wondering...

Would that be the Tom Seaver with an ERA approaching four, only outshown by Lefty "best Lefty ever my ###" Grove?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

Could we just cap individual pitcher salaries? How good dead these deadballers do?

It wasn't so much the pre-1900 pitchers, but the deadballers from 1905-15.

OK - how'd they do? Were they significantly better than say, Tom Seaver? I'm just wondering...

Would that be the Tom Seaver with an ERA approaching four, only outshown by Lefty "best Lefty ever my ###" Grove?

That would be him.:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[Sammy3469]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

Could we just cap individual pitcher salaries? How good dead these deadballers do?

It wasn't so much the pre-1900 pitchers, but the deadballers from 1905-15.

OK - how'd they do? Were they significantly better than say, Tom Seaver? I'm just wondering...

Click on harriers or bogart's teams

 

[Kraft...]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

Could we just cap individual pitcher salaries? How good dead these deadballers do?

It wasn't so much the pre-1900 pitchers, but the deadballers from 1905-15.

OK - how'd they do? Were they significantly better than say, Tom Seaver? I'm just wondering...

These are mine, nothing special really

W-L SV IP ERA OAV WHIP K/9 BB/9 Salary Doc White      14-9 0 203.1 4.16 .259 1.26 5.27 1.90 $10.96M Joe McGinnity 12-10 0 223.0 4.48 .242 1.30 3.07 3.07 $12.55M Vic Willis         6-1 1 73.2 2.69 .190 1.14 3.30 3.91 $11.57M Hooks Wiltse   2-6 26 58.1 4.94 .232 1.44 3.24 4.78 $8.90M

 

[Sammy3469]

I also think we should eliminate the pre-1900 pitchers, but that's me.

It ended up that very few of these were used. The killer was the 1900-1920 pitchers (see Irish Cowboys).

Doug your correct. I personally wouldn't mind taking out all deadball era pitchers. Again this is all relative. I think we can all agree that some guys should be allowed to be drafted no matter what. I think one idea we should at least discuss if we are using WIS, is going with one of their salary caps. We don't have to go down too much to really start effecting some of the sim-fishing. Again the purpose isn't to eliminate some of the greats, but to eliminate the semi-stars that the sim over-emphasis for one reason or another.

Could we just cap individual pitcher salaries? How good dead these deadballers do?

It wasn't so much the pre-1900 pitchers, but the deadballers from 1905-15.

OK - how'd they do? Were they significantly better than say, Tom Seaver? I'm just wondering...

These are mine, nothing special really
                    W-L SV IP ERA OAV WHIP K/9 BB/9 Salary Doc White      14-9 0 203.1 4.16 .259 1.26 5.27 1.90 $10.96M Joe McGinnity 12-10 0 223.0 4.48 .242 1.30 3.07 3.07 $12.55M Vic Willis         6-1 1 73.2 2.69 .190 1.14 3.30 3.91 $11.57M Hooks Wiltse   2-6 26 58.1 4.94 .232 1.44 3.24 4.78 $8.90M

You chose poorly you have much to learn from harrier and bogart before you are an expert sim-fisher

 

[Sammy3469]

I should add that i have no idea (and don't care) if bogart fished, but he has a bunch of good deadballers.

 

[[icon]]

Good deal.. put me down for a team. You guys use baseball reference to decide who you want to use?ALso.... is WIS's engine still geared so that pitching roolz?I'm gonna get waxed since you kids all have a year under your belts...

 

[Kraft...]

]Good deal.. put me down for a team.

You guys use baseball reference to decide who you want to use?

ALso.... is WIS's engine still geared so that pitching roolz?

I'm gonna get waxed since you kids all have a year under your belts...

:rotflmao: just noticed your avatar

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

OK - here's what I'd like to know, but I'm not smart enough to figure it out:What were the salaries for:Ed Walsh Chief Bender 3 Finger Brown And what were the salaries for:SeaverKoufaxB. GibsonMy thinking is if there's a significant difference in both salary and statistical results, maybe there's grounds for some kind of cap.

 

[Kraft...]

:(

Bob Gibson 11-13 0 206.2 4.53 .251 1.36 7.49 3.18 $10.82M

 

[Bogart]

I should add that i have no idea (and don't care) if bogart fished, but he has a bunch of good deadballers.

I can say that yes I do have quite a few deadballers, but it didn't come from fishing. My pitching strategy was to simply use baseball-reference.com and look for guys with the lowest ERA and WHIP. Figure if people don't get hits they don't score. After using this method and drafting Keefe (which I caught alot of crap for), I made sure the rest of my picks were above 1900, but that does leave alot of guys from 00-15 on my roster. No one has been extra special, but most have been solid.

 

[Sammy3469]

These are 3rd bestEd Walsh 16,649,254Chief Bender 10,344,0703 Finger Brown 11,626,679And what were the salaries for:Seaver 11,042,263Koufax 13,242,528B. Gibson 10,821,760Point taken, a salary cap won't help this problem

 

[Bogart]

OK - here's what I'd like to know, but I'm not smart enough to figure it out:

What were the salaries for:

Ed Walsh - 20,527,076

Chief Bender - 11,122,867

3 Finger Brown - 14,803,448

And what were the salaries for:

Seaver - 12,066,443

Koufax - 15,237,502

B. Gibson - 13,365,926

My thinking is if there's a significant difference in both salary and statistical results, maybe there's grounds for some kind of cap.

These are their highest salaries.......

 

[Doug B]

I'm going to try to post some league wide analysis after the final game if I have time tonight or tommorrow sometime. Proboably try to make some play-off predictions as well and give out team awards and stuff.

I plan to copy-and-paste every team's pitching and hitting statistics into an Excel spreadsheet. This will allow for various kinds of comparisons and rankings.Additonally, I want to get a copy of this spreadsheet, along with some general notes on how to use WIS.com for research, to every drafter in MLB II. So, [icon], your disadvantage will be minimized as much as possible.

 

[Capella]

I'm going to try to post some league wide analysis after the final game if I have time tonight or tommorrow sometime.  Proboably try to make some play-off predictions as well and give out team awards and stuff.

I plan to copy-and-paste every team's pitching and hitting statistics into an Excel spreadsheet. This will allow for various kinds of comparisons and rankings.Additonally, I want to get a copy of this spreadsheet, along with some general notes on how to use WIS.com for research, to every drafter in MLB II. So, [icon], your disadvantage will be minimized as much as possible.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

5 Members: Spartans Rule, trefor3, Politician Spock, larry_boy_44, Sammy3469

Uh oh

 

[Doug B]

I'm going to try to post some league wide analysis after the final game if I have time tonight or tommorrow sometime.  Proboably try to make some play-off predictions as well and give out team awards and stuff.

I plan to copy-and-paste every team's pitching and hitting statistics into an Excel spreadsheet. This will allow for various kinds of comparisons and rankings.Additonally, I want to get a copy of this spreadsheet, along with some general notes on how to use WIS.com for research, to every drafter in MLB II. So, [icon], your disadvantage will be minimized as much as possible.

It's pretty important to get everyone on the same page and drafting for the same things, IMHO.

 

[Koya]

I should add that i have no idea (and don't care) if bogart fished, but he has a bunch of good deadballers.

I can say that yes I do have quite a few deadballers, but it didn't come from fishing. My pitching strategy was to simply use baseball-reference.com and look for guys with the lowest ERA and WHIP. Figure if people don't get hits they don't score. After using this method and drafting Keefe (which I caught alot of crap for), I made sure the rest of my picks were above 1900, but that does leave alot of guys from 00-15 on my roster. No one has been extra special, but most have been solid.

I wonder if the statistical normalization worked as well for pitchers as for offense. Take my favorite whipping boy, Mr. Grove. In raw numbers, compared accross eras, his dominance is not so apparant (such an offensive era). However, the guy was the best strikeout and era guy of a decade. I wonder if the high raw numbers may have hurt the cause, while not be adjusted for era?I am sure there are other examples, and perhaps one that show this theory is wrong.

Seaver on the other hand might be a little bit easier to take understanding that his great days came in a pitching era... but both can't be right.

Something I heard watching a baseball game yesterday made me think of the sim:

Some great HoF pitchers gave up a lot of one run homers - but wouldnt let in key runs, or give up the big hit with runners on base.

Another example where the raw numbers might hurt a pitcher who knows how to pitch... ie will take chances when no one is on base, and hunker down or get more fine with their pitches when guys are either on base, or when the winning runs get to the plate/on base.

 

[Sammy3469]

I should add that i have no idea (and don't care) if bogart fished, but he has a bunch of good deadballers.

I can say that yes I do have quite a few deadballers, but it didn't come from fishing. My pitching strategy was to simply use baseball-reference.com and look for guys with the lowest ERA and WHIP. Figure if people don't get hits they don't score. After using this method and drafting Keefe (which I caught alot of crap for), I made sure the rest of my picks were above 1900, but that does leave alot of guys from 00-15 on my roster. No one has been extra special, but most have been solid.

I wonder if the statistical normalization worked as well for pitchers as for offense. Take my favorite whipping boy, Mr. Grove. In raw numbers, compared accross eras, his dominance is not so apparant (such an offensive era). However, the guy was the best strikeout and era guy of a decade. I wonder if the high raw numbers may have hurt the cause, while not be adjusted for era?I am sure there are other examples, and perhaps one that show this theory is wrong.

Seaver on the other hand might be a little bit easier to take understanding that his great days came in a pitching era... but both can't be right.

Something I heard watching a baseball game yesterday made me think of the sim:

Some great HoF pitchers gave up a lot of one run homers - but wouldnt let in key runs, or give up the big hit with runners on base.

Another example where the raw numbers might hurt a pitcher who knows how to pitch... ie will take chances when no one is on base, and hunker down or get more fine with their pitches when guys are either on base, or when the winning runs get to the plate/on base.

I haven't crunched the numbers, but I have a feeling that the deadballers get preference because they are a greater percentage under the league average than other eras. i.e. they may have oav's that are 25% below the league average while Seaver's was only 20%. I have a feeling there is something funny going on with them and that era in particular that allowed them to have such outsized effectiveness.

 

[Bogart]

I should add that i have no idea (and don't care) if bogart fished, but he has a bunch of good deadballers.

I can say that yes I do have quite a few deadballers, but it didn't come from fishing. My pitching strategy was to simply use baseball-reference.com and look for guys with the lowest ERA and WHIP. Figure if people don't get hits they don't score. After using this method and drafting Keefe (which I caught alot of crap for), I made sure the rest of my picks were above 1900, but that does leave alot of guys from 00-15 on my roster. No one has been extra special, but most have been solid.

I wonder if the statistical normalization worked as well for pitchers as for offense. Take my favorite whipping boy, Mr. Grove. In raw numbers, compared accross eras, his dominance is not so apparant (such an offensive era). However, the guy was the best strikeout and era guy of a decade. I wonder if the high raw numbers may have hurt the cause, while not be adjusted for era?I am sure there are other examples, and perhaps one that show this theory is wrong.

Seaver on the other hand might be a little bit easier to take understanding that his great days came in a pitching era... but both can't be right.

Something I heard watching a baseball game yesterday made me think of the sim:

Some great HoF pitchers gave up a lot of one run homers - but wouldnt let in key runs, or give up the big hit with runners on base.

Another example where the raw numbers might hurt a pitcher who knows how to pitch... ie will take chances when no one is on base, and hunker down or get more fine with their pitches when guys are either on base, or when the winning runs get to the plate/on base.

I think WIS has a hard time comparing stats within an era, and because of that, you have a ton of modern guys that are playing better than the guys of yesteryear. On my own team I have Bill Terry and Raffy Palmerio both at first, and WIS as both as almost identical in value, but when you look at their numbers, I would take Terry every time given the option.

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

If we're not going to do an FFA vote and are just going to do the sim...why not play like we're trying to win the sim? Let's ditch ALL the rules and just draft whoever you want and play them at whichever year you want. Nobody will have an advantage that way.If that's not good enough, throw in some kind of salary cap but still allow guys to draft whoever they want and use them at the year they want to as long as the team fits under the number. The third year experiment didn't work. And if some guys are going to sim fish or stat fish, then all guys should. The problem with the last draft was that some guys were thinking of the vote, some guys were thinking of the sim and some guys weren't thinking at all. Let's get everyone on the page before the draft, let's get enough owners to fill out the 24 teams and let's not throw in confusing rules.

 

[Doug B]

I wonder if the statistical normalization worked as well for pitchers as for offense. Take my favorite whipping boy, Mr. Grove. In raw numbers, compared accross eras, his dominance is not so apparant (such an offensive era). However, the guy was the best strikeout and era guy of a decade. I wonder if the high raw numbers may have hurt the cause, while not be adjusted for era?

I am sure there are other examples, and perhaps one that show this theory is wrong.

Seaver on the other hand might be a little bit easier to take understanding that his great days came in a pitching era... but both can't be right.

What I found out was that a player's stats are compared against that given year's MLB average. That is what determines how good a season is in WIS: how far above the MLB average is that season, statistically? Raw stats are meaningless for the sim without the context of MLB average.If Grove had a season with a WHIP of, say, 0.95, in a year where the MLB average WHIP was 1.15 -- that might not be a particularly special season in the WIS sim. By contrast, if Pedro Martinez had a WHIP of 0.95 in a year where the MLB average WHIP was 1.55, it would be a lights-out season in the sim.

 

[Bogart]

If we're not going to do an FFA vote and are just going to do the sim...why not play like we're trying to win the sim? Let's ditch ALL the rules and just draft whoever you want and play them at whichever year you want. Nobody will have an advantage that way.

If that's not good enough, throw in some kind of salary cap but still allow guys to draft whoever they want and use them at the year they want to as long as the team fits under the number. The third year experiment didn't work. And if some guys are going to sim fish or stat fish, then all guys should. The problem with the last draft was that some guys were thinking of the vote, some guys were thinking of the sim and some guys weren't thinking at all. Let's get everyone on the page before the draft, let's get enough owners to fill out the 24 teams and let's not throw in confusing rules.

Sorry, I can't play with any guy that owns the sim. I think it would be a slight advantage.

 

[Doug B]

If we're not going to do an FFA vote and are just going to do the sim...why not play like we're trying to win the sim? Let's ditch ALL the rules and just draft whoever you want and play them at whichever year you want. Nobody will have an advantage that way.

What you say is true regarding advantage. I think there is sentiment to keep it as an actual MLB All-Time Greats draft, though, rather than teams full of WIS statistical oddities.

And if some guys are going to sim fish or stat fish, then all guys should. The problem with the last draft was that some guys were thinking of the vote, some guys were thinking of the sim and some guys weren't thinking at all.

 

[Capella]

Remember when larry thought that was the real John Martinez? :rotflmao:

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

If we're not going to do an FFA vote and are just going to do the sim...why not play like we're trying to win the sim?  Let's ditch ALL the rules and just draft whoever you want and play them at whichever year you want.  Nobody will have an advantage that way.

If that's not good enough, throw in some kind of salary cap but still allow guys to draft whoever they want and use them at the year they want to as long as the team fits under the number.  The third year experiment didn't work.  And if some guys are going to sim fish or stat fish, then all guys should.  The problem with the last draft was that some guys were thinking of the vote, some guys were thinking of the sim and some guys weren't thinking at all.  Let's get everyone on the page before the draft, let's get enough owners to fill out the 24 teams and let's not throw in confusing rules.

Sorry, I can't play with any guy that owns the sim. I think it would be a slight advantage.

I'm not playing, just offering some suggetions so you guys get the most out of your experience. I've seen leagues like your in the past and my suggestions will help avoid the mistakes of leagues gone by.

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

Remember when larry thought that was the real John Martinez? :rotflmao:

I know sometimes Nipsey logs on as me, but today it is really me. Nipsey only logs on as me when he's banned.

 

[Bogart]

good to know. Thanks for stopping by John.Wanna share a hooker??

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

If we're not going to do an FFA vote and are just going to do the sim...why not play like we're trying to win the sim?  Let's ditch ALL the rules and just draft whoever you want and play them at whichever year you want.  Nobody will have an advantage that way.

What you say is true regarding advantage. I think there is sentiment to keep it as an actual MLB All-Time Greats draft, though, rather than teams full of WIS statistical oddities.

I think while people want to keep it as an "actual MLB All-Time Greats draft", that's an impossibility. As long as people will sim fish or stat fish, the guys who are drafting on name value and historical baseball perception will lose every time. My site is based on one thing: numbers. If you refuse to take that into account, you'll go the way of a team like Capella's and who wants to do that? I was at Nipsey's house for the first draft and he was throwing darts at a list of former major leaguers (shocked when he hit Cy) and he still Capella. gotta look at numbers if other guys are.I say you guys just do one all out sim fishing/any year slugfest. No more dummy teams and 24 loaded teams to see who wins. I know from groups of guys who did multiple leagues in the past, this is the best way.

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

good to know. Thanks for stopping by John.

Wanna share a hooker??

Sure, but a need a bit of recovery time. Got lucky at the Dunkin' Donuts this AM.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

good to know. Thanks for stopping by John.

Wanna share a hooker??

Sure, but a need a bit of recovery time. Got lucky at the Dunkin' Donuts this AM.

OH BULL####

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

If we're not going to do an FFA vote and are just going to do the sim...why not play like we're trying to win the sim?  Let's ditch ALL the rules and just draft whoever you want and play them at whichever year you want.  Nobody will have an advantage that way.

What you say is true regarding advantage. I think there is sentiment to keep it as an actual MLB All-Time Greats draft, though, rather than teams full of WIS statistical oddities.

And if some guys are going to sim fish or stat fish, then all guys should.  The problem with the last draft was that some guys were thinking of the vote, some guys were thinking of the sim and some guys weren't thinking at all.

Doug - I agree, I'd still like to be drafting an all-time team as oppossed to statistical anomolies.

 

[Pumpnick]

Ferris had the era requirement, way back when. I like that a lot. Need somebody from every decade.

Ferris really held out after the FFA Basketball disspute. I don't think he made one post this entire thread. :(

After Lebron that basketball draft was doomed. Ferris was only one of many casualties to that disaster.

Ok after 492 pages my curiousity has grew to the point where I must ask......can someone explain "The Lebron Scandel" that occurred in the basketball draft to me?

 

[Capella]

Ferris had the era requirement, way back when. I like that a lot. Need somebody from every decade.

Ferris really held out after the FFA Basketball disspute. I don't think he made one post this entire thread. :(

After Lebron that basketball draft was doomed. Ferris was only one of many casualties to that disaster.

Ok after 492 pages my curiousity has grew to the point where I must ask......can someone explain "The Lebron Scandel" that occurred in the basketball draft to me?

wow...been a while, no?

 

[Pumpnick]

Ferris had the era requirement, way back when. I like that a lot. Need somebody from every decade.

Ferris really held out after the FFA Basketball disspute. I don't think he made one post this entire thread. :(

After Lebron that basketball draft was doomed. Ferris was only one of many casualties to that disaster.

Ok after 492 pages my curiousity has grew to the point where I must ask......can someone explain "The Lebron Scandel" that occurred in the basketball draft to me?

wow...been a while, no?

Trying to do my part to get to 500

 

[Capella]

Ferris had the era requirement, way back when. I like that a lot. Need somebody from every decade.

Ferris really held out after the FFA Basketball disspute. I don't think he made one post this entire thread. :(

After Lebron that basketball draft was doomed. Ferris was only one of many casualties to that disaster.

Ok after 492 pages my curiousity has grew to the point where I must ask......can someone explain "The Lebron Scandel" that occurred in the basketball draft to me?

wow...been a while, no?

Trying to do my part to get to 500

Koya drafted Lebron with like the 16th or 17th pick in the all-time draft, then tried to justify it by saying he was a physical freak and could match up with anybody, etc etc. Forded up the entire draft. Ask Nipsey for his thoughts on it, usually pretty funny.

 

[Bogart]

I'm game for a Sim/Stat-fish draft, as well as a "real" MLB All-Time Draft, even if the FFA vote would turn into a Capella stroke fest even if he drafts nothing but Devil Rays.

 

[Not Nipsey's Alias]

From what I've heard second hand from Nipsey....Koya drafted LeBron, a guy with one year of experience in an ALL-TIME GREAT NBA DRAFT. Completely undercut about 1/3rd of the players in that draft. Poor Capella had drafted Mikan and the LeBron pick basically made Mikan (arguably the greatest player of the first half of the 20th century) a wasted pick. Then he went on and started playing people outside of their natural position (he had a "point-forward" ) The whole draft was killed by Koya. Wasted everyone's valuable time because he didn't know what he was doing. On top of it all, when he got called out he did a Larry Boy and denied everything. The fact is Koya really hurt a lot of people that day he took Bron-Bron. Not because the league was ruined, but because it was inconceivable how a man could undercut the will of the people out of pure greed and incosideration. Really made a few people question things, things like modern psychology, religion and such.

 

[Sammy3469]

From what I've heard second hand from Nipsey....

Koya drafted LeBron, a guy with one year of experience in an ALL-TIME GREAT NBA DRAFT. Completely undercut about 1/3rd of the players in that draft. Poor Capella had drafted Mikan and the LeBron pick basically made Mikan (arguably the greatest player of the first half of the 20th century) a wasted pick. Then he went on and started playing people outside of their natural position (he had a "point-forward" ) The whole draft was killed by Koya. Wasted everyone's valuable time because he didn't know what he was doing. On top of it all, when he got called out he did a Larry Boy and denied everything. The fact is Koya really hurt a lot of people that day he took Bron-Bron. Not because the league was ruined, but because it was inconceivable how a man could undercut the will of the people out of pure greed and incosideration. Really made a few people question things, things like modern psychology, religion and such.

So I take it you and Koya won't be sharing a hooker?

 

[Capella]

From what I've heard second hand from Nipsey....

Koya drafted LeBron, a guy with one year of experience in an ALL-TIME GREAT NBA DRAFT. Completely undercut about 1/3rd of the players in that draft. Poor Capella had drafted Mikan and the LeBron pick basically made Mikan (arguably the greatest player of the first half of the 20th century) a wasted pick. Then he went on and started playing people outside of their natural position (he had a "point-forward" ) The whole draft was killed by Koya. Wasted everyone's valuable time because he didn't know what he was doing. On top of it all, when he got called out he did a Larry Boy and denied everything. The fact is Koya really hurt a lot of people that day he took Bron-Bron. Not because the league was ruined, but because it was inconceivable how a man could undercut the will of the people out of pure greed and incosideration. Really made a few people question things, things like modern psychology, religion and such.

:rotflmao: awesome