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I have to agree. I was calling the OP crazy a few weeks back, but the Titans look like a suicidal beached whale on the sidelines these days. Immobile, not even fighting or thrashing, just waiting for the end (10 games from now in NFL terms).Fisher needs to shake up a lot of things and light a fire somehow or the Titans might set a record for biggest swing in NFL history (13-3 to 0-16). My .02.
If Tennessee traded for Ben, Flacco or Favre they could throw the ball more effectively.Nice analysis. I actually like the WR pickups this year - Washington and Britt. They just don't have anyone throwing to them. Going back to the 2006 draft - do you think Cutler or Leinart would have made a difference over Young?
I don't think Fisher is a bad coach at all, but maybe you are right in that he needs to re-address the team's goals - especially since the defense being fielded will NOT work with his "traditional" approach. The era of tough defenses winning games may be over for now. Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Minnesota have adjusted and are throwing the ball more.
And while you make some god points above, this is totally uninformed and just plain wrong:
If he coached in NY, he would get killed for never winning in the playoffs, but he seems to get a pass from fans in Tennessee, most of whom are probably just happy to have a team in general, and happy to have a team that has a winning season two out of every five years.
Absolutely
I will trade u Lovie Smith for Jeff Fisher. Deal?You guys have one of the best coaches in the game.
I tend to agree. I have to think there are at least 20 teams who would love to have Fisher. The start this year was terrible and they may end up 6-10 or something like that, but IMO he has done more with less over his career than almost anyone. Maybe that is just perception and perhaps false perception, but that is definitely how I see it.
I don't think Bud Adams, owner of an NFL franchise for 50 seasons, is clueless. He writes the checks, he should be able to do whatever he wants. And he was absolutely right in this case.
Okay, but they are still a 5-6 team, coming off of a 13-3 season. Had you said back in August, "At the beginning of December, the Titans will be 5-6," the season would have been considered a huge disappointment. Yes, their 5-game winning streak is nice, but they are still ultimately a 5-6 team that lost 6 games in a row. And Fisher is still the coach who basically was told by the owner to start Vince Young, who is quite clearly now a big part of their turnaround.trader jake said:Props to Jeff Fisher for turning the Titans season around.
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I suppose that depends on your opinion of the talent that he's had to work with.I think he's consistently been able to do more with less than just about any other coach in the league. Does anyone really think they had 13-3 type talent last year? With Kerry Collins at QB and Justin Gage as WR1?they have been a disappointment this year overall, but they looked better than their record early on with a couple of close losses. They were really bad over the 3-game stretch against Jacksonville, Indianapolis, and New England and I doubt that turning to Vince Young during that stretch would have made a difference as their secondary was banged up and couldn't stop anybody. Since the bye, they have looked very impressive and it's a clear sign of Fisher's ability that he's been able to turn things around and salvage the season after an 0-6 start.Festivus said:
One of the best stories in the NFL this year is VY and the record setting pace LBJ is maintaining.I'm not a Titans or Fisher fan by any stretch, but I'm rooting for them to run the table.trader jake said:BUMPSometimes fans don't realize what they have til' it's gone. Thankfully for their own good Bud Adams doesn't get mad...he flips the bird. After Fisher wore the Peyton Manning jersey to a charity function I thought some Titans fans were going to need serious psychological assistance. Who knew that Vince Young would be the one to help.Props to Jeff Fisher for turning the Titans season around.
I think there's only been about 10 coaches in NFL history to go 25 games over .500 with the same team for 16 seasons, and most of those guys are Hall Of Famers. So maybe it's a little special after all?Festivus said:
no way that many teams get to 9-7. at this point, after today's game, i would not put it past the titans to get to 10-6. which would be absolutely amazing.
I didn't say there would be that many. If any of those teams are 9-7 along with Tenn. they would be ahead in the tiebreaker scenario.
Why?
I am not a Titan fan and I don't have any of their players in fantasy...scratch that, I have Moss now, but Jeff Fisher is an excellent coach and fans asking for his head are clueless
He was also one yard away from being a great coach in everybody's book. Fisher may not be the best coach in the NFL but he's certainly better than most.Fisher has five playoff wins in 16+ years as a head coach. Is that your definition of an excellent coach?
There's a trade worthy of a veto.
a. Getting that one yard would not have won the game. b. He didn't get it.
Tough to win in this league without a QB.Fisher has five playoff wins in 16+ years as a head coach. Is that your definition of an excellent coach?
Clearly...a Vince Young owner.
why would tying the game change his legacy?He was also one yard away from being a great coach in everybody's book. Fisher may not be the best coach in the NFL but he's certainly better than most.Fisher has five playoff wins in 16+ years as a head coach. Is that your definition of an excellent coach?
Didn't I read this somewhere? Somehow Fisher took this team to 13-3 with Kerry Collins at the helm. Pretty impressive wouldn't you say?
The Titans would have had momentum riding into the first overtime in Super Bowl history and IMO the Titans would have won the game. The Rams were a great team but having a Super Bowl win yanked away from them at the horn (and having to go back out there) may have been too much to overcome. Of course we'll never know and (as pointed out above) it didn't happen.A lot of people shape their overall opinions of players and head coaches based solely on a Super Bowl win. If Fisher had that title he'd be right there below Belichick in most people's minds, instead he's just another coach to way too many FBG's. To call for his firing after the 0-6 start last year and after the 5-5 beginning this year just strikes me as short-sighted.why would tying the game change his legacy?He was also one yard away from being a great coach in everybody's book. Fisher may not be the best coach in the NFL but he's certainly better than most.Fisher has five playoff wins in 16+ years as a head coach. Is that your definition of an excellent coach?
That's nothin. Parcells is currently making a fine living off of not winning playoff games. He's currently basking in the glow of 12 years of zippo.
This is an argument against Fisher that at least makes sense. Most made by Titan fans against him don't include this and rarely lead with this point. To me it's the most damning point.
And then lost in the divisional round at home. He is like Marty Schottenheimer, except that Schottenheimer got his teams to the playoffs far more frequently than Fisher does.
The Titans had momentum after scoring 16 points in a row to tie the game...and then the Rams scored a 73-yard touchdown on their next play from scrimmage. Really, the Titans were lucky as hell to be in that game that long, but Jeff Wilkins was still injured and missed two gimme FGs in the first half (and barely made the ones he did make).
yeah but Vince can't win playoff games so why waste time with him either? What I am saying is that the old tired 'Vince Young wins games' bs needs to be retired as kerry Collins did the same with the same team. You'll never hear the vinnie lovers bring up that tidbit of info. As a matter of fact, as you can see, they disappear immediately.
if we're going to reshape history, then I guess he's a music-city miracle away from being a terrible coach who lost a home playoff game to Rob Johnson.The Titans would have had momentum riding into the first overtime in Super Bowl history and IMO the Titans would have won the game. The Rams were a great team but having a Super Bowl win yanked away from them at the horn (and having to go back out there) may have been too much to overcome. Of course we'll never know and (as pointed out above) it didn't happen.A lot of people shape their overall opinions of players and head coaches based solely on a Super Bowl win. If Fisher had that title he'd be right there below Belichick in most people's minds, instead he's just another coach to way too many FBG's. To call for his firing after the 0-6 start last year and after the 5-5 beginning this year just strikes me as short-sighted.why would tying the game change his legacy?He was also one yard away from being a great coach in everybody's book. Fisher may not be the best coach in the NFL but he's certainly better than most.Fisher has five playoff wins in 16+ years as a head coach. Is that your definition of an excellent coach?
Someone is clueless...but it isn't us.Liquid Tension said:
