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Official Great Works Draft (5 Viewers)

sure is quiet around here when we have nothing to argue about

I think Obama is the bestest president ever. I don't care what anyone say.

 
With the 14th pick in the 18th round (18.14), Team BobbyLayne™ selects

London Calling, by The Clash - Album

London Calling is the third album by English punk rock band The Clash, released 14 December 1979, on CBS Records in the UK and in January 1980 on Epic Records in the United States. The album represented a change in The Clash's musical style, and featured elements of ska, pop, soul, rockabilly and reggae music. The album's subject matter included unemployment, racial conflict, drug use, and the responsibilities of adulthood.

Accolades

- The album received highly positive reviews and was ranked at number eight on Rolling Stone' list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.

- London Calling was a top ten album in the UK, and its lead single "London Calling" was a top twenty single. It has sold over two million copies worldwide, and was certified platinum in the United States.

- The album received positive reviews from critics, and has since become widely accepted as one of the greatest rock albums of all time. Rolling Stone magazine ranked London Calling at number one on its 1989 list of the 100 Best Albums of the Eighties despite its 1979 release.

- Vibe magazine included the double album on its list of the 100 Essential Albums of the 20th Century.

- In 2007, London Calling was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame, a collection of recordings of lasting qualitative or historical significance.

Composition

"London Calling", the album's opening track, was partially influenced by the March 1979 accident at a nuclear reactor at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania. Strummer's lyrics also discuss the problems of rising unemployment, racial conflict and drug use in Britain.

The second track, "Brand New Cadillac", was originally recorded by Vince Taylor. The band cite the song as "one of the first British rock'n'roll records" and had initially used it as a warm up song before recording.

"Rudie Can't Fail", the album's fifth song, features a horn section and mixes elements of pop, soul, ska and reggae music together. Its lyrics chronicle the life of a fun-loving young man who is criticised for his inability to act like a responsible adult.

"Spanish Bombs" is a song that tells the story of the Spanish Civil War. It received positive reviews from critics, with one reviewer stating that its "combination of thoughtful lyrics and an energetic performance" made it a "highlight of London Calling".

The album's eighth track, "Lost in the Supermarket", was written by Strummer who imagined Jones' childhood growing up in a basement with his mother and grandmother.

"Clampdown" began as a instrumental track called "Working and Waiting". Its lyrics comment on people who forsake the idealism of youth and urge young people to fight the status quo.

The tenth track, "The Guns of Brixton", was the first song recorded by the band to be composed by Simonon and to feature him as lead vocalist. He was originally doubtful about the song's lyrics, which discuss an individual's paranoid outlook on life, but was encouraged to continue working on it by Strummer.

The album's twelfth track, "Death or Glory", features Strummer looking back at his life, acknowledging the complications and responsibilities of adulthood.

While working on "The Card Cheat", the band recorded everything twice to create a "sound as big as possible".

"Revolution Rock", a reggae song, received mixed reviews from critics, and Strummer and Jones were criticized by NME for their inability to compose credible love songs.

The final track, "Train in Vain", was originally not included on the album's back cover. The song was initially going to be given away for free through a promotion with NME, but when the deal fell through it was added to the album at the last minute.
There were a number of ways Team BobbyLayne™ could have gone with this pick. You bet you !@# I thought of snatching a favorite novel. But with the run on albums (and the particular selection of the Nevermind the Bollocks, Here Comes The Sex Pistols), I didn't think this one would make it back to us. :lmao:

 
With the 14th pick in the 18th round (18.14), Team BobbyLayne™ selects

London Calling, by The Clash - Album

London Calling is the third album by English punk rock band The Clash, released 14 December 1979, on CBS Records in the UK and in January 1980 on Epic Records in the United States. The album represented a change in The Clash's musical style, and featured elements of ska, pop, soul, rockabilly and reggae music. The album's subject matter included unemployment, racial conflict, drug use, and the responsibilities of adulthood.

Accolades

- The album received highly positive reviews and was ranked at number eight on Rolling Stone' list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.

- London Calling was a top ten album in the UK, and its lead single "London Calling" was a top twenty single. It has sold over two million copies worldwide, and was certified platinum in the United States.

- The album received positive reviews from critics, and has since become widely accepted as one of the greatest rock albums of all time. Rolling Stone magazine ranked London Calling at number one on its 1989 list of the 100 Best Albums of the Eighties despite its 1979 release.

- Vibe magazine included the double album on its list of the 100 Essential Albums of the 20th Century.

- In 2007, London Calling was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame, a collection of recordings of lasting qualitative or historical significance.

Composition

"London Calling", the album's opening track, was partially influenced by the March 1979 accident at a nuclear reactor at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania. Strummer's lyrics also discuss the problems of rising unemployment, racial conflict and drug use in Britain.

The second track, "Brand New Cadillac", was originally recorded by Vince Taylor. The band cite the song as "one of the first British rock'n'roll records" and had initially used it as a warm up song before recording.

"Rudie Can't Fail", the album's fifth song, features a horn section and mixes elements of pop, soul, ska and reggae music together. Its lyrics chronicle the life of a fun-loving young man who is criticised for his inability to act like a responsible adult.

"Spanish Bombs" is a song that tells the story of the Spanish Civil War. It received positive reviews from critics, with one reviewer stating that its "combination of thoughtful lyrics and an energetic performance" made it a "highlight of London Calling".

The album's eighth track, "Lost in the Supermarket", was written by Strummer who imagined Jones' childhood growing up in a basement with his mother and grandmother.

"Clampdown" began as a instrumental track called "Working and Waiting". Its lyrics comment on people who forsake the idealism of youth and urge young people to fight the status quo.

The tenth track, "The Guns of Brixton", was the first song recorded by the band to be composed by Simonon and to feature him as lead vocalist. He was originally doubtful about the song's lyrics, which discuss an individual's paranoid outlook on life, but was encouraged to continue working on it by Strummer.

The album's twelfth track, "Death or Glory", features Strummer looking back at his life, acknowledging the complications and responsibilities of adulthood.

While working on "The Card Cheat", the band recorded everything twice to create a "sound as big as possible".

"Revolution Rock", a reggae song, received mixed reviews from critics, and Strummer and Jones were criticized by NME for their inability to compose credible love songs.

The final track, "Train in Vain", was originally not included on the album's back cover. The song was initially going to be given away for free through a promotion with NME, but when the deal fell through it was added to the album at the last minute.
There were a number of ways Team BobbyLayne™ could have gone with this pick. You bet you !@# I thought of snatching a favorite novel. But with the run on albums (and the particular selection of the Nevermind the Bollocks, Here Comes The Sex Pistols), I didn't think this one would make it back to us. :lmao:
oooooooooh :lmao:

 
skipped picks

17.19 Tirnan

18.02 Tirnan

18.07 Misfitblondes - needs a repick

18.09 Mister CIA - auto skip remainder of draft

18.10 El Floppo - autoskip (this turn only)

18.13 Tides of War

18.16 Doug B - auto skip

18.17 Timschochet - auto skip

19.01 Fennis OTC until :28

19.02 Rodg

19.03 Postradamus

19.04 Timschochet

19.05 Doug B

19.06 Abrantes

19.07 BobbyLayne

19.08 Tides of War

19.09 Wikkidpissah

19.10 Thatguy

19.11 El Floppo

19.12 Team CIA

19.13 Uncle Humana

19.14 Misfit Blondes

19.15 Bob Lee Swagger

19.16 Scott Norwood

19.17 DC Thunder

19.18 Genedoc

19.19 Tirnan

19.20 Yankee23Fan

20.01 Yankee23Fan

20.02 Tirnan

20.03 Genedoc

20.04 DC Thunder

20.05 ScottNorwood

 
With the 14th pick in the 18th round (18.14), Team BobbyLayne™ selects

London Calling, by The Clash - Album

"Spanish Bombs" is a song that tells the story of the Spanish Civil War. It received positive reviews from critics, with one reviewer stating that its "combination of thoughtful lyrics and an energetic performance" made it a "highlight of London Calling".
/draft
 
I was looking through the inventions and was very surprised that this pick was not taken, especially by Scott Norwood, who has informed us that he is a direct descendent of James Watt.

18.17 The Steam Engine (Invention).

This is the invention that changed the world, brought about he Industrial Revolution, and the rise of both the British Empire and the United States of America as world economic powers. It is the basis for what historian Paul Johnson calls, "The Birth of the Modern", meaning modern society. A clear line in human history can be drawn before the modern steam engine and afterwards, and this makes it, IMO, one of the top 3-4 inventions of all time.

 
19.02 - If - Rudyard Kipling - Poem

My favorite (non-epic) poem. Simply inspirational. Easy to read, yet thought-provoking. The message is quite simple - stay humble, avoid the extremes, enjoy life.

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;

If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;

If you can meet with triumph and disaster

And treat those two imposters just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,

And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings

And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

And never breath a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

To serve your turn long after they are gone,

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,

Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;

If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,

And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
Good reading by Harvey Keitel here.
 
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I was looking through the inventions and was very surprised that this pick was not taken, especially by Scott Norwood, who has informed us that he is a direct descendent of James Watt.

18.17 The Steam Engine (Invention).

This is the invention that changed the world, brought about he Industrial Revolution, and the rise of both the British Empire and the United States of America as world economic powers. It is the basis for what historian Paul Johnson calls, "The Birth of the Modern", meaning modern society. A clear line in human history can be drawn before the modern steam engine and afterwards, and this makes it, IMO, one of the top 3-4 inventions of all time.
oh you bitch :hey:
 
With the 14th pick in the 18th round (18.14), Team BobbyLayne™ selects

London Calling, by The Clash - Album

"Spanish Bombs" is a song that tells the story of the Spanish Civil War. It received positive reviews from critics, with one reviewer stating that its "combination of thoughtful lyrics and an energetic performance" made it a "highlight of London Calling".
/draft
Not even the best clash album
 
With the 14th pick in the 18th round (18.14), Team BobbyLayne™ selects

London Calling, by The Clash - Album

"Spanish Bombs" is a song that tells the story of the Spanish Civil War. It received positive reviews from critics, with one reviewer stating that its "combination of thoughtful lyrics and an energetic performance" made it a "highlight of London Calling".
/draft
Not even the best clash album
:suds: Old people put London Calling on at dinner parties when they need something that's cultured and PC, without being disruptive. I don't know one interesting person who honestly enjoys this album.

 
Maybe a reach here, but I have to have this book and cannot risk it being stolen from me.

19.03 The Decameron - Giovanni Boccaccio - Novel?

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkw5pz...*http://www.pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/b1.pdf

full text

A collection of tales, banned by the church upon it's publication, that are extremely enjoyable, hilarious, and deviant. Written for the women of his time, Boccaccio spins yarns about monks banging wives behind cruel masters' backs, women tricking foolish men, and other amusing tales masterfully crafted and very influential to other writers after him including Chaucer.

Wiki

The Decameron (subtitle: Prencipe Galeotto) is a collection of 100 novellas by Italian author Giovanni Boccaccio, probably begun in 1350 and finished in 1353. It is a medieval allegorical work best known for its bawdy tales of love, appearing in all its possibilities from the erotic to the tragic. Some believe many parts of the tales are indebted to the influence of The Book of Good Love. Many notable writers such as Chaucer are said to have drawn inspiration from The Decameron
Link to Movie version
 
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With the 14th pick in the 18th round (18.14), Team BobbyLayne™ selects

London Calling, by The Clash - Album

"Spanish Bombs" is a song that tells the story of the Spanish Civil War. It received positive reviews from critics, with one reviewer stating that its "combination of thoughtful lyrics and an energetic performance" made it a "highlight of London Calling".
/draft
Not even the best clash album
:suds: Old people put London Calling on at dinner parties when they need something that's cultured and PC, without being disruptive. I don't know one interesting person who honestly enjoys this album.
Well, I wouldn't go that far
 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".

 
With the 14th pick in the 18th round (18.14), Team BobbyLayne™ selects

London Calling, by The Clash - Album

"Spanish Bombs" is a song that tells the story of the Spanish Civil War. It received positive reviews from critics, with one reviewer stating that its "combination of thoughtful lyrics and an energetic performance" made it a "highlight of London Calling".
/draft
Not even the best clash album
:suds: Old people put London Calling on at dinner parties when they need something that's cultured and PC, without being disruptive. I don't know one interesting person who honestly enjoys this album.
:rolleyes: OK Cap'n Fugazi

 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Good god.
 
18.04 The Rolling Stones- Exile On Main Street

This is the Stones at their best. "Happy", "Tumbling Dice", "Let It Loose", "Sweet Black Angel" and "Loving Cup" are, IMO the finest songs in this incredible album.

 
With the 14th pick in the 18th round (18.14), Team BobbyLayne™ selects

London Calling, by The Clash - Album

"Spanish Bombs" is a song that tells the story of the Spanish Civil War. It received positive reviews from critics, with one reviewer stating that its "combination of thoughtful lyrics and an energetic performance" made it a "highlight of London Calling".
/draft
Not even the best clash album
:suds: Old people put London Calling on at dinner parties when they need something that's cultured and PC, without being disruptive. I don't know one interesting person who honestly enjoys this album.
:coffee: OK Cap'n Fugazi
:rolleyes:
 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Good god.
Don't you have a little league game to go to?
 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Wiki says it's a collection of novellas...but really this isn't any different than me drafting Canterbury Tales as a poem. The stories are all within a frame narrative and each is relevant to the other. It reads like a novel would. I don't see where else this could be placed.
 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Good god.
Don't you have a little league game to go to?
Leave it alone tim. RudiStein is not someone you want to mess with.
 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Wiki says it's a collection of novellas...but really this isn't any different than me drafting Canterbury Tales as a poem. The stories are all within a frame narrative and each is relevant to the other. It reads like a novel would. I don't see where else this could be placed.
Yeah, that make sense. Either way, it's going to get a high ranking- so will your other novel. Well done so far!
 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Wiki says it's a collection of novellas...but really this isn't any different than me drafting Canterbury Tales as a poem. The stories are all within a frame narrative and each is relevant to the other. It reads like a novel would. I don't see where else this could be placed.
Yeah, that make sense. Either way, it's going to get a high ranking- so will your other novel. Well done so far!
This level of favoritism is sickening.
 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Wiki says it's a collection of novellas...but really this isn't any different than me drafting Canterbury Tales as a poem. The stories are all within a frame narrative and each is relevant to the other. It reads like a novel would. I don't see where else this could be placed.
Yeah, that make sense. Either way, it's going to get a high ranking- so will your other novel. Well done so far!
This level of favoritism is sickening.
I willing to hear arguments from those who think I shouldn't be able to pick it, but this is nowhere near the Immaculate Reception Debacle of '09 IMO.
 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Wiki says it's a collection of novellas...but really this isn't any different than me drafting Canterbury Tales as a poem. The stories are all within a frame narrative and each is relevant to the other. It reads like a novel would. I don't see where else this could be placed.
Yeah, that make sense. Either way, it's going to get a high ranking- so will your other novel. Well done so far!
This level of favoritism is sickening.
I willing to hear arguments from those who think I shouldn't be able to pick it, but this is nowhere near the Immaculate Reception Debacle of '09 IMO.
There actually is a play entitled "The Immaculate Reception." Just saying.

 
Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Wiki says it's a collection of novellas...but really this isn't any different than me drafting Canterbury Tales as a poem. The stories are all within a frame narrative and each is relevant to the other. It reads like a novel would. I don't see where else this could be placed.
Yeah, that make sense. Either way, it's going to get a high ranking- so will your other novel. Well done so far!
This level of favoritism is sickening.
How does a guy in the draft get to run the draft and make all the rules?Why not let Mark Cuban commish the NBA?

 
skipped picks

17.19 Tirnan

18.02 Tirnan

18.07 Misfitblondes - needs a repick

18.09 Mister CIA - auto skip remainder of draft

18.10 El Floppo - autoskip (this turn only)

18.13 Tides of War

18.16 Doug B - auto skip

19.01 Fennis - time out

19.05 Doug B - auto skip

19.06 Abrantes - Up

19.07 BobbyLayne - On Deck

19.08 Tides of War - (Autoskip)

19.09 Wikkidpissah - In The Whole

19.10 Thatguy

19.11 El Floppo

19.12 Team CIA

19.13 Uncle Humana

19.14 Misfit Blondes

19.15 Bob Lee Swagger

19.16 Scott Norwood

19.17 DC Thunder

19.18 Genedoc

19.19 Tirnan

19.20 Yankee23Fan

20.01 Yankee23Fan

20.02 Tirnan

20.03 Genedoc

20.04 DC Thunder

20.05 ScottNorwood

 
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Fennis said:
Yankee23Fan said:
18.1 - I'm going song here to make sure I grab it now. Voted #5 song of the 20th century, it's another theme rich selection that is a great pick without the theme.

Everyone knows the opening:

A long, long time ago...

I can still remember

How that music used to make me smile.

And I knew if I had my chance

That I could make those people dance

And, maybe, they'd be happy for a while.

One of the better works of poetry set to music, Don McLean gave us an opus on America, on a moment in time that we all can look to as "better," and on the feelings of loss that shape a life for all time.

I select, American Pie
comes with invention: piano bar
sigh - spotlighting. :confused:
 
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Postradamus, you're our judge of novels, so that means it is left to me to judge The Decameron. And it is a masterwork. My only caution is I'm not really sure it's a novel. I'm not disallowing it; since you as our category judge took it, I will accept it. But I have to think about how to compare it to more traditional "novels".
Wiki says it's a collection of novellas...but really this isn't any different than me drafting Canterbury Tales as a poem. The stories are all within a frame narrative and each is relevant to the other. It reads like a novel would. I don't see where else this could be placed.
Yeah, that make sense. Either way, it's going to get a high ranking- so will your other novel. Well done so far!
This level of favoritism is sickening.
I willing to hear arguments from those who think I shouldn't be able to pick it, but this is nowhere near the Immaculate Reception Debacle of '09 IMO.
Your selection was fine. timschochet going from almost vetoing it to saying it will get a high ranking reeks of favoritism. Meanwhile MisfitBlonde makes a spectacular outside the box selection and he gets threatened to be kicked out. Seem fair to you?
 
I have to admit that I was never a fan in any way of the Clash and have never been able to listen to the entire album. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've never heard the whole thing because the parts I heard were so bad. To me. But I know they seem to do well with the music elite so what do I know.

 
I have to admit that I was never a fan in any way of the Clash and have never been able to listen to the entire album. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've never heard the whole thing because the parts I heard were so bad. To me. But I know they seem to do well with the music elite so what do I know.
:confused: Like they say 'there's no accounting for a complete lack of taste'
 
01.19 BUILDING/STRUCTURE Hagia Sophia

02.02 SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY Human Anatomy Andreas Vesalius

03.19 PAINTING The Last Supper Leonardo da Vinci

04.02 NOVEL Aesop's Fables Aesop

05.19 SCULPTURE The Kiss Auguste Rodin

06.02 BUILDING/STRUCTURE The Colossus of Rhodes Chares

07.19 COMPOSITION The Four Seasons Antonio Vivaldi

08.02 INVENTION Cuneiform Writing Sumerians

09.19 POLITICAL DOCUMENT The Treaty of Tordesillas

10.02 POEM The Charge of the Light Brigade by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

11.19 INVENTION Assembly Line by Ransome Eli Olds and Henry Ford

12.02 NON FICTION BOOK Discourses on the First Ten Books of Titus Livius by NICCOLO MACHIAVELLI

13.19 SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY Vaccination (1796) ) Edward Jenner

14.02 Movie Schindler’s List as directed by Steven Spielberg 1993

15.19 COMPOSITION Symphony No. 3 in E flat major (Op. 55) (aka Eroica) by Ludwig van Beethoven

16.02 INVENTION Indoor Plumbing - Harrapans

closing out my Compositions,

17.19 COMPOSITION The Lark Ascending (Symphony No 2) by Ralph Vaughn Williams

part 2Quite possibly the single most serene piece of music ever composed. Intricate and delicate, it soothes the heart and leads one to contemplate the simple joys of life. One of my favorites.

Vaughan Williams's orchestral romance offers an impressionistic image of the lark's song and the countryside, with "our valley" represented by two folk tunes. He completed an early version of the piece in 1914 for violinist Marie Hall, who consulted with him on revisions and first performed the work in a violin-piano arrangement in December 1920. The orchestral version premiered in London at a Queen's Hall concert in June, 1921.

The formal structure of the piece is a straightforward ABA development, with each theme introduced and linked by the solo intervals. Yet within that structure, the violin solo is notable for its fluid writing and the organic way in which it emerges from and blends back into the orchestral texture throughout the piece.

The work opens with a calm set of sustained chords from the strings and winds. The violin enters as the lark, with a series of ascending, repeated intervals and nimble, then elongated arpeggios. These rise into the first theme, and the orchestra quietly enters to accompany the solo in the development of this somewhat introspective, folk-like motif. The solo cadenza is reprised, then the woodwinds, led by flute and clarinet, announce the second theme, a folk dance. The full orchestra joins in, though Vaughan Williams always keeps the orchestration restrained, never forceful. At one point the soloist pauses in a trill while woodwinds play a series of bird-like calls themselves. Then the violin soars in cadenzas over the orchestra, an effect seen by some as representing the lark flying over the countryside. Another solo lark episode leads to the reprise of the original theme, finally stated by the full strings. The work comes to a quiet close, with the soloist returning to the original ascending, repeated intervals as the lark's song is, indeed, "lost on aerial rings."

18.02 PHILOSOPHICAL / POLITICAL IDEA - Ethics as introduced by Socrates

Ethics properly so-called is first met with among the Greeks, i.e. in the teaching of Socrates (470- 399 B.C.)

Ethics is one of the main branches of philosophy. It deals (broadly speaking) with theories of morality and value. An ethical theory is an attempt to describe what makes an action right or wrong. The field of applied ethics seeks to apply ethical theories to real situations. An enormous diversity of ethical theories have been proposed and debated by philosophers, but most of these theories can be described as either consequentialist or deontological in nature (this is, of course, a gross oversimplification that will make most philosophy professors cringe).

A consequentialist theory is one that evaluates the rightness or wrongness of conduct in terms of the consequences of that conduct. For example, one popular consequentialist ethical theory (called "utilitarianism") posits that the most morally correct action is the one that promotes the greatest good for the greatest number of people. A deontological (or non-consequentialist) ethical theory is one that evaluates the rightness or wrongness of conduct based on something other than the consequences of that conduct. These theories tend to emphasize concepts such as rights and duties.

To better understand the distinction between consequentialism and deontological ethical theories, consider a typical trolley problem. A trolley is running out of control down a set of tracks. The trolley is approaching a fork in the tracks and only you have the power to throw the switch and send the trolley down a different track. If it stays on its current path, it will hit and kill five people who have been tied to the track. If you throw the switch, it will be diverted onto a different track where only one person has been tied to the track. There is nothing that you can do to save the people except use the switch to determine which track the trolley will go down. Should you throw the switch?

Most consequentialists would argue that you should throw the switch because the consequence of not doing so (five deaths) is worse than the consequence of diverting the trolley (one death). However, some deontological ethicists would argue that you should not throw the switch because it is morally worse to kill someone through your actions than to let five people die through your inaction.

 
Your selection was fine. timschochet going from almost vetoing it to saying it will get a high ranking reeks of favoritism. Meanwhile MisfitBlonde makes a spectacular outside the box selection and he gets threatened to be kicked out. Seem fair to you?
Well, to be fair, tim never really threatened to kick him out, just made an unnecessary point about leaving being an option...I think his intent is good.

Questioning if a pick fits into a category doesn't mean the pick isn't a good one... :confused:

I think people are worrying too much about semantics. Do you REALLY think Immaculate Reception fits into the category we're trying to establish? Every one of the other drafters didn't seem to think so. Sure it's outside the box, but it's far from what everyone should have understood to be the drafting criteria.

Personally, I don't have much of a problem with him keeping his pick as a play, but I would not expect a high ranking at all as the catch is hardly on the same level as any other play that will be picked...

 
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SuperJohn96 said:
timschochet said:
ScottNorwood said:
timschochet said:
If this is the way this draft is going, with The Immaculate Reception and "Get The Knack", then I'm afraid I will have to quit. It's too much time and effort for it to turn into this kind of joke. Perhaps people are pissed off at my rulings and deciding to have some fun with it; I don't know and I don't care. Let me know if you want to take this thing seriously. If you don't, that's fine, but let someone else run it.
Take a deep breath my friend. This is supposed to be fun. I think people should be able to pick whatever they want.
I think I have a pretty good sense of humor. It's not fun for me when picks like the one Misfit Blondes made are selected and then argued as if we should seriously consider them. It's not something I want to do. If others want to go that route, then this is not something I want to be part of.
So will you quit if he wins his appeal?
whoa whoa whoa... misfit blondes is a dude? this changes everything
 
18.02 PHILOSOPHICAL / POLITICAL IDEA - Ethics as introduced by Socrates
And so this is where trying to judge this category gets too close to impossible. I knew it was coming, mind you. And expected it to be soon. But still, when it happens.........The more I think about this category the more I will be looking to alot of input on tiers when the time comes.

 
I have to admit that I was never a fan in any way of the Clash and have never been able to listen to the entire album. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've never heard the whole thing because the parts I heard were so bad. To me. But I know they seem to do well with the music elite so what do I know.
:confused: Like they say 'there's no accounting for a complete lack of taste'
Excuse me good sir but I take offense at that. I once voluntarily listened to a Belinda Carlisle tape and didn't throw up. So take that! Circle in the sand... round and round.... Never ending love is what we've found......

 
MisfitBlondes said:
rodg12 said:
MisfitBlondes said:
rodg12 said:
MisfitBlondes said:
So when you think of "The Immaculate Reception," what comes to mind?
Controversy.
Why? I'm willing to bet you've seen this play more than any of the other selections in the category. People know who the main players involved were and know the impact of that single play. It seems short sighted for people to dismiss it so quickly.
There was huge controversy around the play. Was it legal, was it not legal? Should it count? Was discussed and discussed for years. Hence....controversy.
This is exactly why I believe it deserves to be selected. :thumbup:
Could be an acceptable wildcard pick I would think, but I foresee controversy brewing as I catch up on my readings.
 
I have to admit that I was never a fan in any way of the Clash and have never been able to listen to the entire album. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've never heard the whole thing because the parts I heard were so bad. To me. But I know they seem to do well with the music elite so what do I know.
:thumbup: Like they say 'there's no accounting for a complete lack of taste'
Excuse me good sir but I take offense at that. I once voluntarily listened to a Belinda Carlisle tape and didn't throw up. So take that! Circle in the sand... round and round.... Never ending love is what we've found......
Spotlighting?
 
MisfitBlondes said:
Could be an acceptable wildcard pick I would think, but I foresee controversy brewing as I catch up on my readings.
:lmao:
Should we go back and delete our posts to disappoint him? :thumbup:
It's like that time in college where you and your buddies were at a bar/party somesuch and you had to go to the can, only to get in there and find the most disgusting mess you've ever seen - or in the alternative you left the mess - and then you hear your friend say that they have to go to the bathroom as well.You giggle a little and wait for the ensuing screaming.
 
I have to admit that I was never a fan in any way of the Clash and have never been able to listen to the entire album. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've never heard the whole thing because the parts I heard were so bad. To me. But I know they seem to do well with the music elite so what do I know.
:thumbup: Like they say 'there's no accounting for a complete lack of taste'
Excuse me good sir but I take offense at that. I once voluntarily listened to a Belinda Carlisle tape and didn't throw up. So take that! Circle in the sand... round and round.... Never ending love is what we've found......
Spotlighting?
Only for the homosexuals amongst us.Oh. Sorry tim. I forgot about that whole tight end thing.

 

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