Official Great Works Draft (8 Viewers)

[Postradamus]

Another makeup pick, this time a poem:

Because I could not stop for death by Emily Dickinson

love this three

 

[BobbyLayne]

Just catching up. So...its Big Rocks, then the Hillbilly Hacker times out, then me?

El Floppo, you a mad genius...I see it now...great pick with Malevich's Black Square on White, if for this reason alone - FINALLY some discussion on paintings. We needs more of dat.

Will be in and out...would appreciate a PM very much when MISTER Tides of War times out (e.g., remove me from autoskip for this pick only).

TIA

 

[krista4]

42.04--Laputa: Castle in the Sky (天空の城ラピュタ, Tenkū no Shiro Rapyuta)-Movie

I'm not usually an anime or manga fanboy. Cartoons of little girls with big eyes and big boobs in sailor suits seem sort of silly and VERY Japanese. But one night I caught a few minutes of Laputa: Castle in the Sky on AMC and was fascinated by it. So much so that I had to get down to Blockbuster and rent the DVD. I took it on a trip to Istanbul with me and watched the movie at night before going to bed on my laptop. And this is simply a wonderful movie. Produced and released in Japan in 1986, the rights were purchased by Disney and it was dubbed into English with voices by such people as Cloris Leachman, Anna Paquin, James Van Der Beek and Mark Hamil.

Filled with fantastic airships (blimps and dirigibles and "flaptors") and floating cities held a loft by magic crystals, it tells a sweet story of loss and love and redemption. But it also includes fearsome robots with death rays and hairbreadth escapes of the heros and heroine. In fact, the main character is a young girl who finds herself in posession of a magic crystal that controls untold power.

This is an animated movie, but it is unlike anything else from Disney. Not Pixar or Dreamworks or anything else, or true Jamanese anime. But it's a movie that will enchant anyone who sees it.

Well, this brings up a question...when you draft a movie such as this, which had two dubbed versions, do you have to choose one or do you get both? I guess I'd say you get all versions of the movie (including the original in Japanese), though I think there's a substantial difference in quality between the two English-dubbed ones. I can't imagine anyone would take another version anyway, so I'll judge based on the quality of both. Does this make sense?I like this movie a lot, but in my opinion there were a couple of other better anime movies that I'd prefer.

As I said, I'm not a big anime fan. But I think this movie is the most accessible of the ones I've seen or seen parts of, in that it doesn't require a whole lot of backstory to understand why the characters are doing what they are doing. You don't have to watch an entire series of movies to get the particular one you are watching, if you understand my meaning. As I said, I simply really liked this movie, regardless of where it ranks.

I'm really glad you took it; happy to see this form of art getting some love.

 

[krista4]

42.04--Laputa: Castle in the Sky (天空の城ラピュタ, Tenkū no Shiro Rapyuta)-Movie

I'm not usually an anime or manga fanboy. Cartoons of little girls with big eyes and big boobs in sailor suits seem sort of silly and VERY Japanese. But one night I caught a few minutes of Laputa: Castle in the Sky on AMC and was fascinated by it. So much so that I had to get down to Blockbuster and rent the DVD. I took it on a trip to Istanbul with me and watched the movie at night before going to bed on my laptop. And this is simply a wonderful movie. Produced and released in Japan in 1986, the rights were purchased by Disney and it was dubbed into English with voices by such people as Cloris Leachman, Anna Paquin, James Van Der Beek and Mark Hamil.

Filled with fantastic airships (blimps and dirigibles and "flaptors") and floating cities held a loft by magic crystals, it tells a sweet story of loss and love and redemption. But it also includes fearsome robots with death rays and hairbreadth escapes of the heros and heroine. In fact, the main character is a young girl who finds herself in posession of a magic crystal that controls untold power.

This is an animated movie, but it is unlike anything else from Disney. Not Pixar or Dreamworks or anything else, or true Jamanese anime. But it's a movie that will enchant anyone who sees it.

MIYAZAKI~!Although this isn't my favorite of his films, I'm thrilled that Hayao Miyazaki is getting some love here. He might just be the finest filmmaker alive today.

This is what I was trying to say.

 

[DCThunder]

42.04--Laputa: Castle in the Sky (天空の城ラピュタ, Tenkū no Shiro Rapyuta)-Movie

I'm not usually an anime or manga fanboy. Cartoons of little girls with big eyes and big boobs in sailor suits seem sort of silly and VERY Japanese. But one night I caught a few minutes of Laputa: Castle in the Sky on AMC and was fascinated by it. So much so that I had to get down to Blockbuster and rent the DVD. I took it on a trip to Istanbul with me and watched the movie at night before going to bed on my laptop. And this is simply a wonderful movie. Produced and released in Japan in 1986, the rights were purchased by Disney and it was dubbed into English with voices by such people as Cloris Leachman, Anna Paquin, James Van Der Beek and Mark Hamil.

Filled with fantastic airships (blimps and dirigibles and "flaptors") and floating cities held a loft by magic crystals, it tells a sweet story of loss and love and redemption. But it also includes fearsome robots with death rays and hairbreadth escapes of the heros and heroine. In fact, the main character is a young girl who finds herself in posession of a magic crystal that controls untold power.

This is an animated movie, but it is unlike anything else from Disney. Not Pixar or Dreamworks or anything else, or true Jamanese anime. But it's a movie that will enchant anyone who sees it.

MIYAZAKI~!Although this isn't my favorite of his films, I'm thrilled that Hayao Miyazaki is getting some love here. He might just be the finest filmmaker alive today.

This is what I was trying to say.

Can y'all recommend some other titles by Miyazaki that would be better? Any in English?

 

[krista4]

42.04--Laputa: Castle in the Sky (天空の城ラピュタ, Tenkū no Shiro Rapyuta)-Movie

I'm not usually an anime or manga fanboy. Cartoons of little girls with big eyes and big boobs in sailor suits seem sort of silly and VERY Japanese. But one night I caught a few minutes of Laputa: Castle in the Sky on AMC and was fascinated by it. So much so that I had to get down to Blockbuster and rent the DVD. I took it on a trip to Istanbul with me and watched the movie at night before going to bed on my laptop. And this is simply a wonderful movie. Produced and released in Japan in 1986, the rights were purchased by Disney and it was dubbed into English with voices by such people as Cloris Leachman, Anna Paquin, James Van Der Beek and Mark Hamil.

Filled with fantastic airships (blimps and dirigibles and "flaptors") and floating cities held a loft by magic crystals, it tells a sweet story of loss and love and redemption. But it also includes fearsome robots with death rays and hairbreadth escapes of the heros and heroine. In fact, the main character is a young girl who finds herself in posession of a magic crystal that controls untold power.

This is an animated movie, but it is unlike anything else from Disney. Not Pixar or Dreamworks or anything else, or true Jamanese anime. But it's a movie that will enchant anyone who sees it.

MIYAZAKI~!Although this isn't my favorite of his films, I'm thrilled that Hayao Miyazaki is getting some love here. He might just be the finest filmmaker alive today.

This is what I was trying to say.

Can y'all recommend some other titles by Miyazaki that would be better? Any in English?

PM sent.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Think BR timed out at 3:28 p.m. EDT

ToW should be on the clock until 4:28 p.m. EDT

atiently:

 

[Fennis]

Think BR timed out at 3:28 p.m. EDT

ToW should be on the clock until 4:28 p.m. EDT

atiently:

 

[timschochet]

The Who's Tommy contains some of my favorite music of all time. This alone saves it from being a ridiculously awful musical. The story that's supposed to tie the songs together makes no sense even on the original album, and to attempt to make a Broadway musical out of it was a cheap gimmick to make money, nothing more.

But again, because of the splendid songs, the gimmick worked, and Tommy even won a Tony. But to consider it among the greatest musicals of all time, even with that music? Sorry, no.

 

[Frostillicus]

MisfitBlondes' Pick

42.07 Annabel Lee - Edgar Allan Poe (Poem)

I got chills. Never read it before.

 

[Big Rocks]

With no knowledge of plays, I'm just taking stuff that I have heard of and seem popular enough and not worrying about where they will rank.

42.12 Fiddler on the Roof, play

Wiki link

 

[anborn]

With no knowledge of plays, I'm just taking stuff that I have heard of and seem popular enough and not worrying about where they will rank.

I have some decent knowledge of plays and am doing the same thing.

 

[krista4]

With no knowledge of plays, I'm just taking stuff that I have heard of and seem popular enough and not worrying about where they will rank.

42.12 Fiddler on the Roof, play

Wiki link

Love this picl.

 

[TidesofWar]

42.13 - Uncle Tom's Cabin - Novel - Harriet Beecher Stowe

 

[Chiwawa]

MisfitBlondes' Pick

42.07 Annabel Lee - Edgar Allan Poe (Poem)

I got chills. Never read it before.

I still get chills from it.

 

[timschochet]

With no knowledge of plays, I'm just taking stuff that I have heard of and seem popular enough and not worrying about where they will rank.

42.12 Fiddler on the Roof, play

Wiki link

Definitely a top ten musical.

 

[DCThunder]

With no knowledge of plays, I'm just taking stuff that I have heard of and seem popular enough and not worrying about where they will rank.

42.12 Fiddler on the Roof, play

Wiki link

Definitely a top ten musical.

Why? Because the protagonists are all Jewish and it produced one of the greatest songs for the brides's dance with her father at the reception (Sunrise, Sunset)?

 

[timschochet]

DC Thunder, please don't insult me by suggesting I think highly of Fiddler because it focuses on Jews. FWIW, I'm not a particular fan of traditional Jewish literature, such as the Sholem Aleichem short stories that this musical is based on, but that's neither here nor there.

What makes Fiddler on The Roof a classic musical is that it's got everything: great songs, great characters, fine drama, and poignancy. I don't have my list with me, but I think it's #7 or #8.

In terms of Broadway, Fiddler featured something else that is often, but not always necessary for a successful show: a bigger than life star. There are few Broadway stars who eclipsed Zero Mostel in the history of theatre. He took over this show and made it his.

 

[BobbyLayne]

here, pickin', gimme sec...oh...u knew that

Odds DC Thunder was joking: even money.

Takers?

 

[timschochet]

here, pickin', gimme sec...oh...u knew thatOdds DC Thunder was joking: even money.Takers?

I'm pretty sure he wasAt least I hope he was...

 

[Fennis]

With no knowledge of plays, I'm just taking stuff that I have heard of and seem popular enough and not worrying about where they will rank.

42.12 Fiddler on the Roof, play

Wiki link

#1 musical (in the judges opinion)

 

[Genedoc]

Topical Anesthetic/Surgical Techniques is currently placed in "Scientific Discovery". I draft it as an "Invention". TIA.

 

[Fennis]

With no knowledge of plays, I'm just taking stuff that I have heard of and seem popular enough and not worrying about where they will rank.

I have some decent knowledge of plays and am doing the same thing.

not me, I picked Gypsy purely for the ranking...

 

[timschochet]

Uncle Tom's Cabin will be an interesting decision for our novels judge. I don't think it's a particularly good novel. It's very melodramatic. Certainly it's not a great piece of literature, IMO.

But it is also one of the most important, most influential novels ever written. Abraham Lincoln credited the book with bringing about the Civil War, and by extension of this reasoning, bringing about an end to slavery.

So where to rank it? Glad it's not my decision.

 

[rodg12]

Skipped

39.19 - Tirnan (autoskip if not around)

40.02 - Tirnan (autoskip if not around)

40.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

41.06 - Abrantes (autoskip)

41.08 - Tides of War (autoskip after time out)

41.10 - thatguy (autoskip)

41.11 - El Floppo (autoskip if not here in first 15)

41.19 - Tirnan (autoskip if not around - Get Better GB)

42.02 - Tirnan (autoskip)

42.09 - Team CIA (autoskip)

42.10 - El Floppo (autoskip if not here in first 15)

42.11 - Thatguy (autoskip)

42.14 - BobbyLayne - OTC

42.15 - Abrantes (autoskip)

42.16 - Doug B (autoskip)

42.17 - Timschochet - On Deck

42.18 - Postradamus (autoskip if not here in first 15)

42.19 - Rodg

42.20 - Krista

 

[Postradamus]

Uncle Tom's Cabin will be an interesting decision for our novels judge. I don't think it's a particularly good novel. It's very melodramatic. Certainly it's not a great piece of literature, IMO.

But it is also one of the most important, most influential novels ever written. Abraham Lincoln credited the book with bringing about the Civil War, and by extension of this reasoning, bringing about an end to slavery.

So where to rank it? Glad it's not my decision.

Yeah...not a great read like most of these other novels, but there is a lot of history behind it,

 

[Postradamus]

I was googling some junk and ran across this UNESCO Full Text of The Tale of Genji. Awesome.

 

[DCThunder]

here, pickin', gimme sec...oh...u knew thatOdds DC Thunder was joking: even money.Takers?

I'm pretty sure he wasAt least I hope he was...

Of course I was. What do you take me for anyway? If I'd put in a smilie or a smilie would that have made it clearer?I just find it amusing that you wear your Jewishness on your sleeve a bit. And while Fiddler has some good songs and Mostel certainly was a bigger than life Broadway star, Fiddler isn't a better musical than some of it's contemporaries that haven't been taken, and IMHO doesn't hold up to some of the musicals from the '40s and '50s. Therefore to hear you say that Fiddler was a Top 10 musical, I couldn't resist linking its Jewish subject with your on-again, off-again, celebration of all things Hebrew.

 

[BobbyLayne]

When I saw this play three years ago at Delacorte Theater in Central Park (starring Merryl Streep and Kevin Kline), the artistic director noted in the program notes:

It has been called perhaps also the greatest anti-war play of all time

A reviewer of that production wrote:

...numerous theatrical artists and scholars may share the opinion that this masterpiece is the greatest play of the twentieth century

That seems what Tennessee Williams had in mind when he said "It is the greatest drama of the 20th century"It is set in the 1600s in Europe during the Thirty Years' War - but it has gone on to reflect and respond to other wars and other atrocities, revealing powerful truths about the human condition.

42.14 (834th pick) - Mother Courage and Her Children - Play

Bertolt Brecht

Sorry, will have to post the writeup when I get hom later this evening.

 

[DCThunder]

Uncle Tom's Cabin will be an interesting decision for our novels judge. I don't think it's a particularly good novel. It's very melodramatic. Certainly it's not a great piece of literature, IMO.

But it is also one of the most important, most influential novels ever written. Abraham Lincoln credited the book with bringing about the Civil War, and by extension of this reasoning, bringing about an end to slavery.

So where to rank it? Glad it's not my decision.

It didn't rank real highly in the GAD when I took it and there it was just competing with American novels. Its importance lies in what it helped to cause and how widespread it, and stage plays based on UTC became all across the North. It moved abolition forward in a way that not much else could have in those days.

 

[krista4]

42.14 (834th pick) - Mother Courage and Her Children - Play

Bertolt Brecht

Sorry, will have to post the writeup when I get hom later this evening.

Huge picl. Almost took this a long time ago.

 

[Postradamus]

About time some Brecht is taken, nice.

 

[Genedoc]

When I saw this play three years ago at Delacorte Theater in Central Park (starring Merryl Streep and Kevin Kline), the artistic director noted in the program notes:

It has been called perhaps also the greatest anti-war play of all time

A reviewer of that production wrote:

...numerous theatrical artists and scholars may share the opinion that this masterpiece is the greatest play of the twentieth century

That seems what Tennessee Williams had in mind when he said "It is the greatest drama of the 20th century"It is set in the 1600s in Europe during the Thirty Years' War - but it has gone on to reflect and respond to other wars and other atrocities, revealing powerful truths about the human condition.

42.14 (834th pick) - Mother Courage and Her Children - Play

Bertolt Brecht

Sorry, will have to post the writeup when I get hom later this evening.

Top notch. Best Play picked in many, many rounds.

 

[Fennis]

here, pickin', gimme sec...oh...u knew thatOdds DC Thunder was joking: even money.Takers?

I'm pretty sure he wasAt least I hope he was...

Of course I was. What do you take me for anyway? If I'd put in a smilie or a smilie would that have made it clearer?I just find it amusing that you wear your Jewishness on your sleeve a bit. And while Fiddler has some good songs and Mostel certainly was a bigger than life Broadway star, Fiddler isn't a better musical than some of it's contemporaries that haven't been taken, and IMHO doesn't hold up to some of the musicals from the '40s and '50s. Therefore to hear you say that Fiddler was a Top 10 musical, I couldn't resist linking its Jewish subject with your on-again, off-again, celebration of all things Hebrew.

To be fair to Tim, there are 5 Broadway musicals that are typically considered to be the greatest of the musicals. Fiddler on the Roof is one of them.

 

[DCThunder]

here, pickin', gimme sec...oh...u knew thatOdds DC Thunder was joking: even money.Takers?

I'm pretty sure he wasAt least I hope he was...

Of course I was. What do you take me for anyway? If I'd put in a smilie or a smilie would that have made it clearer?I just find it amusing that you wear your Jewishness on your sleeve a bit. And while Fiddler has some good songs and Mostel certainly was a bigger than life Broadway star, Fiddler isn't a better musical than some of it's contemporaries that haven't been taken, and IMHO doesn't hold up to some of the musicals from the '40s and '50s. Therefore to hear you say that Fiddler was a Top 10 musical, I couldn't resist linking its Jewish subject with your on-again, off-again, celebration of all things Hebrew.

To be fair to Tim, there are 5 Broadway musicals that are typically considered to be the greatest of the musicals. Fiddler on the Roof is one of them.

Perhaps. I just don't like it as well as others.

 

[Postradamus]

So how did we decide we are going to judge all of this mess? I like the idea that everyone makes their own lists (or has someone outside who knows certain topics do a category or two) I like hearing everyone's opinion on things and this draft has been looooong so I don't think it would kill us to put some actual time into judging.

Or we could just never stop drafting

 

[timschochet]

here, pickin', gimme sec...oh...u knew that

Odds DC Thunder was joking: even money.

Takers?

I'm pretty sure he wasAt least I hope he was...

Of course I was. What do you take me for anyway? If I'd put in a smilie or a smilie would that have made it clearer?I just find it amusing that you wear your Jewishness on your sleeve a bit. And while Fiddler has some good songs and Mostel certainly was a bigger than life Broadway star, Fiddler isn't a better musical than some of it's contemporaries that haven't been taken, and IMHO doesn't hold up to some of the musicals from the '40s and '50s. Therefore to hear you say that Fiddler was a Top 10 musical, I couldn't resist linking its Jewish subject with your on-again, off-again, celebration of all things Hebrew.

I agree with the bolded part of your statement. Not the second half, though. I think it holds up rather nicely, or it wouldn't be in my top ten.Mother Courage is a fantastic choice- I'm glad Brecht has been recognized.

Time to select a play myself...

 

[Postradamus]

Top notch. Best Play picked in many, many rounds.

You must have missed where I took Henry V

 

[Fennis]

So how did we decide we are going to judge all of this mess? I like the idea that everyone makes their own lists (or has someone outside who knows certain topics do a category or two) I like hearing everyone's opinion on things and this draft has been looooong so I don't think it would kill us to put some actual time into judging. Or we could just never stop drafting

Or no judging.

 

[Fennis]

-100 points for changing your avatar in the middle of a ####in draft

 

[Joe Paterno]

Norwood/anborn, go ahead and pick when you're ready. I'm real busy this morning.

In that case.... Team Norwood/Anborn selects:41.16 - Lance Armstrongs 7 straight Tour de France titles (1999-2005) - Sports Record

He's a freaking machine. And all of it after beating cancer. More will and determination in his little finger than found combined on most professional teams. Some of the seven tours were close, some were pretty obvious, and some just seemed like he was toying with the rest of the main contenders. He dominates on the mountain stages, he's won individual time trials, he's won/led team trials...

Sure some of the other individual athletes are above/beyond their competition (without mentioning names)... but this guy takes the cake and eats it too.

He is the only individual to win seven times, having broken the previous record of five wins, shared by Miguel Indurain and Bernard Hinault, Eddy Merckx and Jacques Anquetil. He has survived testicular cancer, a tumor that metastasized to his brain and lungs, in 1996. His cancer treatments included brain and testicular surgery and extensive chemotherapy, and his prognosis was originally poor.

In 1999, he was named the American Broadcasting Company Wide World of Sports Athlete of the Year. In 2000 he won the Prince of Asturias Award in Sports.[2] In 2002, Sports Illustrated magazine named him Sportsman of the Year. He was also named Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year for 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. He received ESPN's ESPY Award for Best Male Athlete in 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006, and won the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Overseas Personality Award in 2003. Armstrong retired from racing on July 24, 2005, at the end of the 2005 Tour de France, but returned to competitive cycling in January 2009.

You could pretty much bold that entire top part if you wanted.

Before his cancer treatment, Armstrong had won two Tour de France stages. In 1993, he won the 8th stage and in 1995 he took stage 18 in honor of teammate Fabio Casartelli who crashed and died on stage 15. Armstrong dropped out of the 1996 Tour on the 7th stage after becoming ill, a few months before his diagnosis.

Armstrong's cycling comeback began in 1998 when he finished fourth in the Vuelta a España. In 1999 he won the Tour de France, including four stages. He beat the second rider, Alex Zülle, by 7 minutes 37 seconds. However, the absence of Jan Ullrich (injury) and Marco Pantani (drug allegations) meant Armstrong had not yet proven himself against the biggest names. Stage wins included the prologue, stage eight, an individual time trial in Metz, an Alpine stage on stage nine, and the second individual time trial on stage 19.

In 2000, Ullrich and Pantani returned to challenge Armstrong. The race that began a six-year rivalry between Ullrich and Armstrong ended in victory for Armstrong by 6 minutes 2 seconds over Ullrich. Armstrong took one stage in the 2000 Tour, the second individual time trial on stage 19. In 2001, Armstrong again took top honors, beating Ullrich by 6 minutes 44 seconds. In 2002, Ullrich did not participate, and Armstrong won by seven minutes over Joseba Beloki.

The pattern returned in 2003, Armstrong taking first place and Ullrich second. Only 1 minute 1 second separated the two at the end of the final day in Paris. U.S. Postal won the team time trial on stage four, while Armstrong took stage 15, despite being knocked off on the ascent to Luz Ardiden, the final climb, when a spectator's bag caught his right handlebar. Ullrich waited for him, which brought Ullrich fair-play honors.

In 2004, Armstrong finished first, 6 minutes 19 seconds ahead of German Andreas Klöden. Ullrich was fourth, a further 2 minutes 31 seconds behind. Armstrong won a personal best five individual stages, plus the team time trial. He became the first since Gino Bartali in 1948 to win three consecutive mountain stages; 15, 16, and 17. The individual time trial on stage 16 up Alpe d'Huez was won in style by Armstrong as he passed Ivan Basso on the way despite setting out two minutes after the Italian. He won sprint finishes from Basso in stages 13 and 15 and made up a significant gap in the last 250m to nip Klöden at the line in stage 17. He won the final individual time trial, stage 19, to complete his personal record of stage wins.

In his final tour in 2005, Armstrong was beaten by David Zabriskie in the Stage 1 time trial by 2 seconds, despite passing Ullrich on the road. His Discovery Channel team won the team time trial, while Armstrong won the final individual time trial. To complete his record-breaking feat, Armstrong crossed the line on the Champs-Élysées on July 24 to win his 7th consecutive Tour, finishing 4m 40s ahead of Basso, with Ullrich third.

In addition to 7 Tour de France wins, Armstrong won 22 individual stages, 11 time trials, and his team won the team time trial on 3 occasions.

This is probably the best pick in the draft so far.

 

[Postradamus]

-100 points for changing your avatar in the middle of a ####in draft

It's different??? It looks the same for me..either way...cough krista cough

 

[rodg12]

-100 points for changing your avatar in the middle of a ####in draft

You accept a -50 point deduction for Team Fennis then, I assume.

 

[Fennis]

-100 points for changing your avatar in the middle of a ####in draft

It's different??? It looks the same for me..either way...cough krista cough

You accept a -50 point deduction for Team Fennis then, I assume.

Sometimes my own stupidity amazes me.

 

[timschochet]

42.17 William Shakespeare's The Taming Of The Shrew

This happens to be one of my very favorite plays by the Bard, and I feel extremely lucky to get it. For a while in the second half of the 20th century this work was not very popular, as it's mysoginistic overtones contradicted the growing feminist movement. But what I think people failed to realize is that the character of Katherine is one of the first fully three dimensional females ever to appear in literature. Like Lady MacBeth, but unlike so many other Shakespeare females (including Juliet), Kate is fully alive. Her whiplash tongue creates a personality that ironically makes this actually a feminist work, all things considered. I also happen to think that her surrender at the end of the play is completely tongue in cheek.

Beyond the remarkable character of Kate, the scenes between her and Petrucchio are among the best written, funniest, and most dramatic ever to appear in all of stage.

 

[rodg12]

42.17 William Shakespeare's The Taming Of The Shrew

This happens to be one of my very favorite plays by the Bard, and I feel extremely lucky to get it. For a while in the second half of the 20th century this work was not very popular, as it's mysoginistic overtones contradicted the growing feminist movement. But what I think people failed to realize is that the character of Katherine is one of the first fully three dimensional females ever to appear in literature. Like Lady MacBeth, but unlike so many other Shakespeare females (including Juliet), Kate is fully alive. Her whiplash tongue creates a personality that ironically makes this actually a feminist work, all things considered. I also happen to think that her surrender at the end of the play is completely tongue in cheek.

Beyond the remarkable character of Kate, the scenes between her and Petrucchio are among the best written, funniest, and most dramatic ever to appear in all of stage.

Was set to take this with 42.19

 

[timschochet]

So how did we decide we are going to judge all of this mess? I like the idea that everyone makes their own lists (or has someone outside who knows certain topics do a category or two) I like hearing everyone's opinion on things and this draft has been looooong so I don't think it would kill us to put some actual time into judging. Or we could just never stop drafting

As of now, we're going with the category judges and their judging will be final. We may decide to add to this, I have an idea which I mean to run by people soon that I think would be interesting.

 

[Joe Paterno]

42.17 William Shakespeare's The Taming Of The Shrew

This happens to be one of my very favorite plays by the Bard, and I feel extremely lucky to get it. For a while in the second half of the 20th century this work was not very popular, as it's mysoginistic overtones contradicted the growing feminist movement. But what I think people failed to realize is that the character of Katherine is one of the first fully three dimensional females ever to appear in literature. Like Lady MacBeth, but unlike so many other Shakespeare females (including Juliet), Kate is fully alive. Her whiplash tongue creates a personality that ironically makes this actually a feminist work, all things considered. I also happen to think that her surrender at the end of the play is completely tongue in cheek.

Beyond the remarkable character of Kate, the scenes between her and Petrucchio are among the best written, funniest, and most dramatic ever to appear in all of stage.

Another great pick.

 

[TidesofWar]

Uncle Tom's Cabin will be an interesting decision for our novels judge. I don't think it's a particularly good novel. It's very melodramatic. Certainly it's not a great piece of literature, IMO.

But it is also one of the most important, most influential novels ever written. Abraham Lincoln credited the book with bringing about the Civil War, and by extension of this reasoning, bringing about an end to slavery.

So where to rank it? Glad it's not my decision.

I took it for its importance and influenceIt was either that, or Yentl

 

[rodg12]

Uncle Tom's Cabin will be an interesting decision for our novels judge. I don't think it's a particularly good novel. It's very melodramatic. Certainly it's not a great piece of literature, IMO.

But it is also one of the most important, most influential novels ever written. Abraham Lincoln credited the book with bringing about the Civil War, and by extension of this reasoning, bringing about an end to slavery.

So where to rank it? Glad it's not my decision.

I took it for its importance and influenceIt was either that, or Yentl

Just to be sure you're aware, you still owe a pick for 41.08, GB.