***Official*** Green Bay Packers Offseason Thread, v. 2014 (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Mike Daniels didn't show that much. The defense as a whole sucked. Nobody is safe IMO except Matthews and Peppers.

 

[sho nuff]

At this point I dont thunk Daniels would command a huge price, but if he puts together a year like last year and improves on it...value goes up to a nice amount.

He is more than "just a guy".

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I am interested to see which WR TT decides to extend and which one he lets walk. My guess is Joedy stays and Cobb is allowed to leave.

Definitely see pack going WR early this draft.

Ted Thompson has a ton of money and won't let Nelson or Cobb walk. Both will be back after 2014.

Who wouldn't want to keep both? But in the salary cap world with a stud QB, signing 2 receivers to bi $$$ is a mistake. There might be a lot of money, but some will need to go to other areas. Mike Daniels, for example.

Mike Daniels? Sorry, but he is a guy you only re-sign if he comes at a very cheap price.

100% disagree.

Can you offer comments on why you think he is more than just a guy?

 

[Phenomena]

Mike Daniels? Sorry, but he is a guy you only re-sign if he comes at a very cheap price.

100% disagree.

Can you offer comments on why you think he is more than just a guy?

PFF has him rated quite highly. Considering he was a rotational player, his stats were fantastic. I believe Daniels had the most QB hurries + sacks of anyone on the defensive line, and a solid rating on run defense. He was overall the highest rated D-lineman on the team last year, and in the top 30th percentile leaguewide.

So, yea, he's more than "just a guy." I'm not saying he's worth a big contract, but these are the type of above average players that fill out a team if you can extend them for an affordable price. His only problem is that he's not really an ideal size for any of the three lineman positions, and I think that's why he wasn't a consistent starter. He was much more useful as a rotational player than as a starter. I think with their "multiple" looks this season he'll be an asset, because he seems to have played well filling in however he was needed.

 

[cr8f]

Mike Daniels didn't show that much. The defense as a whole sucked. Nobody is safe IMO except Matthews and Peppers.

I'd get rid of Capers, the coaching has been worse than the coverage in the secondary.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Pack just lost James Jones to Oakland. I would love to see them sign Britt at wr3 on a cheap deal.

Why?

He has zero work ethic and simply can't catch.

The guy couldn't even get on the field for the Titans.

Believe it or not, Sho, I agree with you here.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

I wonder what Sidney Rice is asking out there..? If he can stay healthy, he's a playmaker. Nice kid, too.

 

[Phenomena]

I wonder what Sidney Rice is asking out there..? If he can stay healthy, he's a playmaker. Nice kid, too.

That last thing I would take in FA is a WR; the draft is loaded with them this year. All the WR talent is going to push down pretty good WRs like Aberdeen to the 4th round. Total steal.

Remember that anyone they sign in FA counts against compensatory selections. Both Peppers and the new DT they just signed, as well as all their own players (Raji, Starks, etc.) do not count since the first two were releases from other teams and players from your own team don't count.

The Packers have effectively signed zero real free agents, but lost multiple players (Jones, EDS) and will likely be getting free picks next year (4th + 6th perhaps). You're proposing giving up those free draft selections for signing burnout free-agent WRs to big contracts when you can just draft a possibly better, younger player this year with a low pick AND get another low pick for free next year? Makes no sense. The absolute last thing the Packers will do this offseason is sign a FA WR, especially one as costly as Britt or Rice. I'm sure they would rather have Jones, and they let him walk for a pittance, even when resigning him wouldn't have cost them possible compensatory picks.

All of that on top of the fact that they don't even need a WR that badly. Boykin has a promising NFL career ahead of him. He's going to be a steal in the late rounds of fantasy this year (10th+). Jones had 14 TDs the year before last, and that's basically the position Boykin will be playing now.

 

[sho nuff]

At this point I think Im fine going with Boykin, Cobb, Nelson, and Myles White or Dorsey step up. Then draft someone in about the 3rd or 4th (quite a few decent guys should be available) that they can groom.

 

[tdmills]

Missed the news today. Who's the top 10 center the Packers lost?

EDS was a top 10 center.

Absolutely ridiculous comment.

Seems like TT can't win. He doesn't bring in outside FAs and takes care of his own he gets criticized. He let's one of his own get away and he gets criticized. The guys proven himself and his method time after time and yet people have him on the chopping block.

TT has whiffed on quite a few draft picks and doesn't sign outside UFA's. That combination has led to 3 straight disappointing seasons. He's living off of Rodgers right now and the 1 season he surrounded him with weapons + decent ol + good defense they won a ring. Rodgers has a window here, it reminds me of all those years GB didn't surround favre with talent and he's throwing to Schroeder.

Salary cap room is only good if it can be utilized, otherwise it's a waste. Nobody is saying he should go get jimmy Graham here...but surround this team with solid competition.

15-1, 11-5, 8-7-1. Playoffs each of those 3 years. He's been GM since 2005. Made the playoffs 6 of those 9 years. Not counting his first two years when he had to rebuild the team, he's been to the playoffs 6 out of 7 years with 1 Super Bowl. Clearly he doesn't know what he's doing in the draft and signing outside UFAs.

Is making the playoffs and being 1 and done successful(outside of playing a weak Minny team with crap at QB)? It is disappointing when GB has been talked about Super Bowl and they can't make it to the NFC Championship. If you can't realize that, then you need to take off your homer glasses and start looking through a new lens.

So you discount the playoff win against the Viqueens because they had a crap QB? But last year was counted as a disappointment because they couldn't make the NFC Championship (despite Rodgers, Cobb, Matthews missing time)? To me last year wasn't disappointing at all. Despite injuries to perhaps their top 3 players they hung together and made the playoffs. I think a lot was revealed last year that will pay off next year. If you can't realize that, then you need to take off your TT hater glasses and start looking through a new lens.

If you count a playoff win against Joe Webb that's your business ...but GB wins the Super Bowl and then has 3 straight years they can't even make it to the NFC Championship.

Every team has injuries...and again the Packers made the playoffs. I guess that's your measure of success, it wouldn't be mine if I had one of the best QB's in the game.

That is the new yardstick for teams with elite Q.B.'s playing on elite contracts. Top Q.B.'s take up so much salary cap space that in a very real way they hamstring their teams. The Packers won before Rodgers got his elite contract, as did Seattle, N.O., the Giants, and the Steelers. After getting paid Manning, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger have not won the big one. Paying Ryan and Flacco seems to have limited those teams. Elite Q.B.'s will get you to the playoffs and give you some chance while you are there, but the model for championships is to have a Q.B. on the rise, but not yet paid as elite.

I was on this thought process before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684910&hl=

 

[Phenomena]

That is the new yardstick for teams with elite Q.B.'s playing on elite contracts. Top Q.B.'s take up so much salary cap space that in a very real way they hamstring their teams. The Packers won before Rodgers got his elite contract, as did Seattle, N.O., the Giants, and the Steelers. After getting paid Manning, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger have not won the big one. Paying Ryan and Flacco seems to have limited those teams. Elite Q.B.'s will get you to the playoffs and give you some chance while you are there, but the model for championships is to have a Q.B. on the rise, but not yet paid as elite.

I was on this thought process before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684910&hl=

I would still rather have the elite QB and hope my team gets hot.

It's also not a reproducible strategy to build a defensive team and hope to get a QB that will put you over the top while still on their rookie contract. It's just not feasible. There are so few true franchise QBs out there that you can't rely on being able to find one when your team is otherwise ready.

Also, Brees was signed to a big FA contract then won it all, so that's not entirely true. Elway won his super bowls while making a ton of money. I'm sure there are many other examples.

 

[tdmills]

That is the new yardstick for teams with elite Q.B.'s playing on elite contracts. Top Q.B.'s take up so much salary cap space that in a very real way they hamstring their teams. The Packers won before Rodgers got his elite contract, as did Seattle, N.O., the Giants, and the Steelers. After getting paid Manning, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger have not won the big one. Paying Ryan and Flacco seems to have limited those teams. Elite Q.B.'s will get you to the playoffs and give you some chance while you are there, but the model for championships is to have a Q.B. on the rise, but not yet paid as elite.

I was on this thought process before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684910&hl=

I would still rather have the elite QB and hope my team gets hot.

It's also not a reproducible strategy to build a defensive team and hope to get a QB that will put you over the top while still on their rookie contract. It's just not feasible. There are so few true franchise QBs out there that you can't rely on being able to find one when your team is otherwise ready.

Also, Brees was signed to a big FA contract then won it all, so that's not entirely true. Elway won his super bowls while making a ton of money. I'm sure there are many other examples.

I listed Brees' contract so i'm a little lost there.

R. Wilson, Big Ben, Kaep all reached the Super Bowl recently on their rookie contracts...I don't think anyone thinks they're one of the best 5 QBs in football. Which shows if you invest money into other positions, you don't need a stud.

 

[Phenomena]

That is the new yardstick for teams with elite Q.B.'s playing on elite contracts. Top Q.B.'s take up so much salary cap space that in a very real way they hamstring their teams. The Packers won before Rodgers got his elite contract, as did Seattle, N.O., the Giants, and the Steelers. After getting paid Manning, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger have not won the big one. Paying Ryan and Flacco seems to have limited those teams. Elite Q.B.'s will get you to the playoffs and give you some chance while you are there, but the model for championships is to have a Q.B. on the rise, but not yet paid as elite.

I was on this thought process before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684910&hl=

I would still rather have the elite QB and hope my team gets hot.

It's also not a reproducible strategy to build a defensive team and hope to get a QB that will put you over the top while still on their rookie contract. It's just not feasible. There are so few true franchise QBs out there that you can't rely on being able to find one when your team is otherwise ready.

Also, Brees was signed to a big FA contract then won it all, so that's not entirely true. Elway won his super bowls while making a ton of money. I'm sure there are many other examples.

I listed Brees' contract so i'm a little lost there.

R. Wilson, Big Ben, Kaep all reached the Super Bowl recently on their rookie contracts...I don't think anyone thinks they're one of the best 5 QBs in football. Which shows if you invest money into other positions, you don't need a stud.

This is where your logic fails ... all of those guys are studs. Kaep isn't a stud? For real? He waltzed into GB and smoked the Packers in subzero weather like it was a sunny California day. Wilson has more poise and pocket awareness than just about any QB in the league, and both of those guys are among the most athletic QBs in the game.

It's not a reproducible strategy because you can't count on finding stud QBs when you need them, if your team is otherwise ready. Those guys are outliers. Almost all of the other super bowl winning QBs were first-round picks, and require a substantial investment of time/money before they won it all. Even Rodgers took 3+ years sitting behind Favre, plus another 2-3 seasons before he put it all together.

 

[tdmills]

That is the new yardstick for teams with elite Q.B.'s playing on elite contracts. Top Q.B.'s take up so much salary cap space that in a very real way they hamstring their teams. The Packers won before Rodgers got his elite contract, as did Seattle, N.O., the Giants, and the Steelers. After getting paid Manning, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger have not won the big one. Paying Ryan and Flacco seems to have limited those teams. Elite Q.B.'s will get you to the playoffs and give you some chance while you are there, but the model for championships is to have a Q.B. on the rise, but not yet paid as elite.

I was on this thought process before http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684910&hl=

I would still rather have the elite QB and hope my team gets hot.

It's also not a reproducible strategy to build a defensive team and hope to get a QB that will put you over the top while still on their rookie contract. It's just not feasible. There are so few true franchise QBs out there that you can't rely on being able to find one when your team is otherwise ready.

Also, Brees was signed to a big FA contract then won it all, so that's not entirely true. Elway won his super bowls while making a ton of money. I'm sure there are many other examples.

I listed Brees' contract so i'm a little lost there.

R. Wilson, Big Ben, Kaep all reached the Super Bowl recently on their rookie contracts...I don't think anyone thinks they're one of the best 5 QBs in football. Which shows if you invest money into other positions, you don't need a stud.

This is where your logic fails ... all of those guys are studs. Kaep isn't a stud? For real? He waltzed into GB and smoked the Packers in subzero weather like it was a sunny California day. Wilson has more poise and pocket awareness than just about any QB in the league, and both of those guys are among the most athletic QBs in the game.

It's not a reproducible strategy because you can't count on finding stud QBs when you need them, if your team is otherwise ready. Those guys are outliers. Almost all of the other super bowl winning QBs were first-round picks, and require a substantial investment of time/money before they won it all. Even Rodgers took 3+ years sitting behind Favre, plus another 2-3 seasons before he put it all together.

It's just a difference in definitions. Stud or Elite or franchise QB = top 5.

The point is not giving out that 2nd contract which is huge. Drafting QBs in round 1 is within the theory. Andy Dalton, Tannehill, Nick Foles, heck even Mike Glennon had 19 td vs 9 INT.

 

[Phenomena]

I listed Brees' contract so i'm a little lost there.
R. Wilson, Big Ben, Kaep all reached the Super Bowl recently on their rookie contracts...I don't think anyone thinks they're one of the best 5 QBs in football. Which shows if you invest money into other positions, you don't need a stud.

This is where your logic fails ... all of those guys are studs. Kaep isn't a stud? For real? He waltzed into GB and smoked the Packers in subzero weather like it was a sunny California day. Wilson has more poise and pocket awareness than just about any QB in the league, and both of those guys are among the most athletic QBs in the game.

It's not a reproducible strategy because you can't count on finding stud QBs when you need them, if your team is otherwise ready. Those guys are outliers. Almost all of the other super bowl winning QBs were first-round picks, and require a substantial investment of time/money before they won it all. Even Rodgers took 3+ years sitting behind Favre, plus another 2-3 seasons before he put it all together.

It's just a difference in definitions. Stud or Elite or franchise QB = top 5.

The point is not giving out that 2nd contract which is huge. Drafting QBs in round 1 is within the theory. Andy Dalton, Tannehill, Nick Foles, heck even Mike Glennon had 19 td vs 9 INT.

Not paying a 2nd contract is an interesting concept, but the fan base would riot if you let a stud walk. Ticket/merchandise sales would plummet. Constructing a new stadium would be more difficult.

I am 98% certain that any given team would rather always be in the playoff hunt with a franchise QB and never, ever win the Super Bowl than a team that's in the basement for 9/10 years and then all of a sudden wins the Super Bowl.

Quoting Vic (beat writer for the Packers), the dirty little secret is that the goal is to be a playoff team, not to win the Super Bowl. That's not to say it's not the goal to win it all, but the real goal is just to be routinely competitive so that the revenue keeps flowing.

I guarantee that Jerry Jones doesn't legitimately give a rat's ### about the Super Bowl trophies as long as people remain vested in the team and revenues are through the roof. He puts on a nice song and dance, though, and is willing to mortgage the team's future just so that it remains playoff competitive now. Because that's whats important - staying playoff competitive. That keeps the money flowing.

 

[tdmills]

I listed Brees' contract so i'm a little lost there.
R. Wilson, Big Ben, Kaep all reached the Super Bowl recently on their rookie contracts...I don't think anyone thinks they're one of the best 5 QBs in football. Which shows if you invest money into other positions, you don't need a stud.

This is where your logic fails ... all of those guys are studs. Kaep isn't a stud? For real? He waltzed into GB and smoked the Packers in subzero weather like it was a sunny California day. Wilson has more poise and pocket awareness than just about any QB in the league, and both of those guys are among the most athletic QBs in the game.

It's not a reproducible strategy because you can't count on finding stud QBs when you need them, if your team is otherwise ready. Those guys are outliers. Almost all of the other super bowl winning QBs were first-round picks, and require a substantial investment of time/money before they won it all. Even Rodgers took 3+ years sitting behind Favre, plus another 2-3 seasons before he put it all together.

It's just a difference in definitions. Stud or Elite or franchise QB = top 5.

The point is not giving out that 2nd contract which is huge. Drafting QBs in round 1 is within the theory. Andy Dalton, Tannehill, Nick Foles, heck even Mike Glennon had 19 td vs 9 INT.

Not paying a 2nd contract is an interesting concept, but the fan base would riot if you let a stud walk. Ticket/merchandise sales would plummet. Constructing a new stadium would be more difficult.

I am 98% certain that any given team would rather always be in the playoff hunt with a franchise QB and never, ever win the Super Bowl than a team that's in the basement for 9/10 years and then all of a sudden wins the Super Bowl.

Quoting Vic (beat writer for the Packers), the dirty little secret is that the goal is to be a playoff team, not to win the Super Bowl. That's not to say it's not the goal to win it all, but the real goal is just to be routinely competitive so that the revenue keeps flowing.

I guarantee that Jerry Jones doesn't legitimately give a rat's ### about the Super Bowl trophies as long as people remain vested in the team and revenues are through the roof. He puts on a nice song and dance, though, and is willing to mortgage the team's future just so that it remains playoff competitive now. Because that's whats important - staying playoff competitive. That keeps the money flowing.

2013 Playoffs:

QBs on non-rookie contracts: GB, Saints, Broncos, Patriots, Chiefs, Chargers

QBs on rookie contracts: Philly, 49ers, Panthers, Seattle, Bengals, Colts

50% of teams had QBs on rookie contracts

2012:

QBs on non-rookie contracts: GB, Patriots, Denver, Houston

QBs on rookie contracts: ATL, Washington, Seattle, 49ers, Minnesota, Bengals, Colts, Baltimore

66% of teams had QBs on rookie contracts

 

[Vector]

Other interesting thing...the Packers are quite tight lipped. You don't get huge leaks about them til after the fact on some things.

Peppers got into town, sat down, and signed before anything was leaked about them even being interested in him.

Sort of impressed by how that happens in a time with all the cameras and social media everywhere.

TT farts and you're impressed

Good luck with ol' man Peppers

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000334084/article/best-freeagent-signings-so-far

Best Free Agent Signings so far

Here are our favorite signings thus far:


Julius Peppers to the Packers
There's a lot to like here. Peppers is flexible enough to play multiple positions on the defensive line, giving Green Bay greater flexibility. You can line him up as a 3-4 defensive end, a 4-3 defensive end or tackle or stand him up as a linebacker. Peppers will reportedly make $8.5 million in 2013, a reasonable gamble for a Packers defense that needs help.

It's also nice to see general manager Ted Thompson taking a swing at finding a free-agent value. His moves to get Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson last decade were key in establishing the Packers' eventual championship run.

-- Gregg Rosenthal

Peppers is at the top of their list

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Apparently what helps you sleep is coming in here to try and bash others without really adding anything of substance anywhere.

Congrats on that.

Hmmmm.... seem to recall you dropped by the Bears thread and posted about Peppers thinking you guys had pulled off some great coup. Hypocrite.

 

[sho nuff]

Other interesting thing...the Packers are quite tight lipped. You don't get huge leaks about them til after the fact on some things.

Peppers got into town, sat down, and signed before anything was leaked about them even being interested in him.

Sort of impressed by how that happens in a time with all the cameras and social media everywhere.

TT farts and you're impressed

Good luck with ol' man Peppers

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000334084/article/best-freeagent-signings-so-far

Best Free Agent Signings so far

Here are our favorite signings thus far:


Julius Peppers to the Packers
There's a lot to like here. Peppers is flexible enough to play multiple positions on the defensive line, giving Green Bay greater flexibility. You can line him up as a 3-4 defensive end, a 4-3 defensive end or tackle or stand him up as a linebacker. Peppers will reportedly make $8.5 million in 2013, a reasonable gamble for a Packers defense that needs help.

It's also nice to see general manager Ted Thompson taking a swing at finding a free-agent value. His moves to get Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson last decade were key in establishing the Packers' eventual championship run.

-- Gregg Rosenthal

Peppers is at the top of their list

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Apparently what helps you sleep is coming in here to try and bash others without really adding anything of substance anywhere.

Congrats on that.

Hmmmm.... seem to recall you dropped by the Bears thread and posted about Peppers thinking you guys had pulled off some great coup. Hypocrite.

Care to post what I said?

Someone asked his contract number...I provided it.

Didn't brag. Never have boasted about the move like it was some great coup.

I think he is a slight risk given his age, but a manageable one given the structure of the deal. It should pay off well.

You might want to learn to read what was actually posted before you begin running your mouth in here.

Especially when you are dead wrong.

 

[Vector]

Other interesting thing...the Packers are quite tight lipped. You don't get huge leaks about them til after the fact on some things.

Peppers got into town, sat down, and signed before anything was leaked about them even being interested in him.

Sort of impressed by how that happens in a time with all the cameras and social media everywhere.

TT farts and you're impressed

Good luck with ol' man Peppers

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000334084/article/best-freeagent-signings-so-far

Best Free Agent Signings so far

Here are our favorite signings thus far:


Julius Peppers to the Packers
There's a lot to like here. Peppers is flexible enough to play multiple positions on the defensive line, giving Green Bay greater flexibility. You can line him up as a 3-4 defensive end, a 4-3 defensive end or tackle or stand him up as a linebacker. Peppers will reportedly make $8.5 million in 2013, a reasonable gamble for a Packers defense that needs help.

It's also nice to see general manager Ted Thompson taking a swing at finding a free-agent value. His moves to get Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson last decade were key in establishing the Packers' eventual championship run.

-- Gregg Rosenthal

Peppers is at the top of their list

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Apparently what helps you sleep is coming in here to try and bash others without really adding anything of substance anywhere.

Congrats on that.

Hmmmm.... seem to recall you dropped by the Bears thread and posted about Peppers thinking you guys had pulled off some great coup. Hypocrite.

Care to post what I said?

Someone asked his contract number...I provided it.

Didn't brag. Never have boasted about the move like it was some great coup.

I think he is a slight risk given his age, but a manageable one given the structure of the deal. It should pay off well.

You might want to learn to read what was actually posted before you begin running your mouth in here.

Especially when you are dead wrong.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm glad Ted is signing some players. Peppers will start. Even if they wanted him to be situational, they'll have 5 lineman on the IR by October. As for Guion, I think he can compete to start (not saying much on such a pathetic defense). I'd like to see at least one or two more legit pass rushers.

 

[Sabertooth]

I too like how Ted operates. Cover of darkness. No big fanfare. Same way I do business. Under the radar.

 

[Sabertooth]

Definitely want to see Jolly back.

 

[Vector]

I too like how Ted operates. Cover of darkness. No big fanfare. Same way I do business. Under the radar.

Your subtlety is not lost on me :tipofthehat:

 

[The Kerminator]

Definitely want to see Jolly back.

I think that will depend on his health.

 

[sho nuff]

Other interesting thing...the Packers are quite tight lipped. You don't get huge leaks about them til after the fact on some things.

Peppers got into town, sat down, and signed before anything was leaked about them even being interested in him.

Sort of impressed by how that happens in a time with all the cameras and social media everywhere.

TT farts and you're impressed

Good luck with ol' man Peppers

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000334084/article/best-freeagent-signings-so-far

Best Free Agent Signings so far

Here are our favorite signings thus far:


Julius Peppers to the Packers
There's a lot to like here. Peppers is flexible enough to play multiple positions on the defensive line, giving Green Bay greater flexibility. You can line him up as a 3-4 defensive end, a 4-3 defensive end or tackle or stand him up as a linebacker. Peppers will reportedly make $8.5 million in 2013, a reasonable gamble for a Packers defense that needs help.

It's also nice to see general manager Ted Thompson taking a swing at finding a free-agent value. His moves to get Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson last decade were key in establishing the Packers' eventual championship run.

-- Gregg Rosenthal

Peppers is at the top of their list

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Apparently what helps you sleep is coming in here to try and bash others without really adding anything of substance anywhere.

Congrats on that.

Hmmmm.... seem to recall you dropped by the Bears thread and posted about Peppers thinking you guys had pulled off some great coup. Hypocrite.

Care to post what I said?

Someone asked his contract number...I provided it.

Didn't brag. Never have boasted about the move like it was some great coup.

I think he is a slight risk given his age, but a manageable one given the structure of the deal. It should pay off well.

You might want to learn to read what was actually posted before you begin running your mouth in here.

Especially when you are dead wrong.

As I suspected...make a claim, get challenged on it...and basically run away.

Troll on somewhere else. People are trying to actually discuss football here.

 

[sho nuff]

Definitely want to see Jolly back.

I think that will depend on his health.

Agreed...read this today: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/18/johnny-jolly-expects-full-medical-clearance-in-about-two-weeks/...

 

[sho nuff]

Wondering what other fan's thoughts are on Hester.

For a cheap price (would have to be at this point wouldn't you think?)...do we have the roster space to hold on to a returner only?

I think with our recent history of injuries...probably don't have the luxury of having a returner only kind of guy.

And while he is not what he once was, he is still pretty dangerous back there. In light of the news Faust posted the link to in the Cobb thread about them wanting to take him off of returns. Why not have someone back there that at least puts a little fear in the opponents?

Thoughts?

 

[tdmills]

Wondering what other fan's thoughts are on Hester.

For a cheap price (would have to be at this point wouldn't you think?)...do we have the roster space to hold on to a returner only?

I think with our recent history of injuries...probably don't have the luxury of having a returner only kind of guy.

And while he is not what he once was, he is still pretty dangerous back there. In light of the news Faust posted the link to in the Cobb thread about them wanting to take him off of returns. Why not have someone back there that at least puts a little fear in the opponents?

Thoughts?

Is 4 million a year worth 3 plays a game? I debated this in the Bears thread, but that's about all he contributed last season.

 

[sho nuff]

Wondering what other fan's thoughts are on Hester.

For a cheap price (would have to be at this point wouldn't you think?)...do we have the roster space to hold on to a returner only?

I think with our recent history of injuries...probably don't have the luxury of having a returner only kind of guy.

And while he is not what he once was, he is still pretty dangerous back there. In light of the news Faust posted the link to in the Cobb thread about them wanting to take him off of returns. Why not have someone back there that at least puts a little fear in the opponents?

Thoughts?

Is 4 million a year worth 3 plays a game? I debated this in the Bears thread, but that's about all he contributed last season.

I wouldn't pay that much.

I said cheap...$2.5 mil max IMO is what I would pay. Maybe some incentives to get him higher.

 

[tdmills]

Wondering what other fan's thoughts are on Hester.

For a cheap price (would have to be at this point wouldn't you think?)...do we have the roster space to hold on to a returner only?

I think with our recent history of injuries...probably don't have the luxury of having a returner only kind of guy.

And while he is not what he once was, he is still pretty dangerous back there. In light of the news Faust posted the link to in the Cobb thread about them wanting to take him off of returns. Why not have someone back there that at least puts a little fear in the opponents?

Thoughts?

Is 4 million a year worth 3 plays a game? I debated this in the Bears thread, but that's about all he contributed last season.

I wouldn't pay that much.

I said cheap...$2.5 mil max IMO is what I would pay. Maybe some incentives to get him higher.

Just read a report he wants 4 million a year

 

[sho nuff]

Wondering what other fan's thoughts are on Hester.

For a cheap price (would have to be at this point wouldn't you think?)...do we have the roster space to hold on to a returner only?

I think with our recent history of injuries...probably don't have the luxury of having a returner only kind of guy.

And while he is not what he once was, he is still pretty dangerous back there. In light of the news Faust posted the link to in the Cobb thread about them wanting to take him off of returns. Why not have someone back there that at least puts a little fear in the opponents?

Thoughts?

Is 4 million a year worth 3 plays a game? I debated this in the Bears thread, but that's about all he contributed last season.

I wouldn't pay that much.

I said cheap...$2.5 mil max IMO is what I would pay. Maybe some incentives to get him higher.

Just read a report he wants 4 million a year

I want that much too...I don't think he sees close to that.

 

[Phenomena]

Is 4 million a year worth 3 plays a game? I debated this in the Bears thread, but that's about all he contributed last season.

I wouldn't pay that much.

I said cheap...$2.5 mil max IMO is what I would pay. Maybe some incentives to get him higher.

Just read a report he wants 4 million a year

I want that much too...I don't think he sees close to that.

Hester is not happening. The net compensatory selections are +3 in the Packers favor right now, which will likely net 5th/6th/7th.

At that price, or even $3M+ annually, you're going to lose one of those compensatory picks, probably the 5th, since Hester's contract would be as big as any of the people we lost.

The Packers would effectively be giving up a 5th + $3M/year for a guy to solely return kicks/punts. No way! Cobb/Hyde/Boykin can share those duties just fine. Or you could just spend the 5th on a fast guy with no position prospects and only have to pay him $500,000 every year. The guy that had the fastest combine 40 isn't expected to go before the 6th round. Use that pick on him (who might even be faster than Hester) and pay him WAY less.

You guys gotta think like GMs and look at all the implications...

 

[sho nuff]

Its more like a 6th round pick since it would be the very end of the 5th.

They want to pull Cobb.

Boykin...meh...have not seen anything suggesting he is capable of anything like that (Franklin maybe).

I never said 3 mil...so not quite where I want it.

Fast doe snot equal good returner.

GM's do look at the implications...as well as realizing just taking any guy back there won't have the impact of a guy like Hester could.

 

[The Claymaker]

Hyde actually did a good job on returns, I expect that to continue.

 

[sho nuff]

Hyde actually did a good job on returns, I expect that to continue.

I like him back there alright.

But...if they do like some suggest and move him to safety...no way I want him on returns too.

 

[Vector]

Other interesting thing...the Packers are quite tight lipped. You don't get huge leaks about them til after the fact on some things.

Peppers got into town, sat down, and signed before anything was leaked about them even being interested in him.

Sort of impressed by how that happens in a time with all the cameras and social media everywhere.

TT farts and you're impressed

Good luck with ol' man Peppers

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000334084/article/best-freeagent-signings-so-far

Best Free Agent Signings so far

Here are our favorite signings thus far:


Julius Peppers to the Packers
There's a lot to like here. Peppers is flexible enough to play multiple positions on the defensive line, giving Green Bay greater flexibility. You can line him up as a 3-4 defensive end, a 4-3 defensive end or tackle or stand him up as a linebacker. Peppers will reportedly make $8.5 million in 2013, a reasonable gamble for a Packers defense that needs help.

It's also nice to see general manager Ted Thompson taking a swing at finding a free-agent value. His moves to get Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson last decade were key in establishing the Packers' eventual championship run.

-- Gregg Rosenthal

Peppers is at the top of their list

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Apparently what helps you sleep is coming in here to try and bash others without really adding anything of substance anywhere.

Congrats on that.

Hmmmm.... seem to recall you dropped by the Bears thread and posted about Peppers thinking you guys had pulled off some great coup. Hypocrite.

Care to post what I said?

Someone asked his contract number...I provided it.

Didn't brag. Never have boasted about the move like it was some great coup.

I think he is a slight risk given his age, but a manageable one given the structure of the deal. It should pay off well.

You might want to learn to read what was actually posted before you begin running your mouth in here.

Especially when you are dead wrong.

As I suspected...make a claim, get challenged on it...and basically run away.

Troll on somewhere else. People are trying to actually discuss football here.

Nah, think I'll stick around awhile longer. You'll just have to learn how to handle it.

 

[sho nuff]

Nah, think I'll stick around awhile longer. You'll just have to learn how to handle it.

Ill handle it by mocking you every time you post complete and total BS here...as I did the other day.

So...anything of actual substance to add...or are you just going to troll this thread looking to be made fun of?

 

[Vector]

Nah, think I'll stick around awhile longer. You'll just have to learn how to handle it.

Ill handle it by mocking you every time you post complete and total BS here...as I did the other day.

So...anything of actual substance to add...or are you just going to troll this thread looking to be made fun of?

Ouch, I'm hurt, but still . Have fun with ol' man Peppers.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I like having Starks back at what seems to me to be a very favorable price. This likely means fan favorite John Kuhns does not have a place left on the roster at his age, but so be it.

 

[sho nuff]

I like having Starks back at what seems to me to be a very favorable price. This likely means fan favorite John Kuhns does not have a place left on the roster at his age, but so be it.

Maybe...just not sure who they think will be back there to block sometimes. Seems he would be cheap to keep around at this point. Not sure what the overall roster numbers will look like.

Probably wait til after the draft to bring him back anyway.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

I like having Starks back at what seems to me to be a very favorable price. This likely means fan favorite John Kuhns does not have a place left on the roster at his age, but so be it.

Maybe...just not sure who they think will be back there to block sometimes. Seems he would be cheap to keep around at this point. Not sure what the overall roster numbers will look like.

Probably wait til after the draft to bring him back anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if they want a big pile of beef as a FB for those short yardage situations instead of throwing Raji in there at the goal line. If that's the case, why pay a guy like Kuhn who can run routes and catch in addition to block-- all of which he does "meh". Let's find a guy who can make big holes for Lacy instead of the jack-of-all-trades. Lacy's career longevity will thank them for it.

 

[sho nuff]

Because not just any guy could pick up the blitz like Kuhn has done.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I think it is a question of Kuhn's age and the number of roster spots. They have to have some young developmental guys capable of playing special teams and developing for starter spots in the future. 30 year old R.B.'s with limited application are an extreme luxury. I like Kuhn. I like his reliability. I just don't see the roster space for 5 R.B.'s with a 6th on the practice squad. I do, absolutely, see them picking him up if someone gets injured, presuming he remains available.

What I turn my attention to now is fused vertebra. Will Finley play, and will it be for the Packers? If not what will the Packers do at the position? They often carry 4 and 5 T.E.'s. Also, will anybody pick up Nick Collins who says he wants to play. I'd both love to see him back, but would be extremely apprehensive about the risk. With 32 teams, however, I think somebody might consider giving him a shot. He's young enough, but has been out of the game for quite a while. I don't know if he could get his speed and timing back, and whether he might play with hesitancy, a killer at his position.

 

[sho nuff]

I agree he is a luxury. But a decently useful one and one that is likely pretty cheap right now.

Finley maybe. Seems if he can get clearance its a done deal with Seattle.

Id love Collins back...just would hate to see him laying on the field again and I think that is on so many team's mind. They don't want to be the ones putting him out on that field again to have something happen.

Also would wonder if he would play with that same edge with that injury and after being out of football this long like you said in your last line.

 

[sho nuff]

Best news of the day...he just never improved at all. Looked promising at times...completely outmatched many others.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/251503681.html

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Thanks for your best efforts Marshall.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Best news of the day...he just never improved at all. Looked promising at times...completely outmatched many others.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/251503681.html

Addition by subtraction.

 

[The Kerminator]

Best news of the day...he just never improved at all. Looked promising at times...completely outmatched many others.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/251503681.html

Addition by subtraction.

The comp picks for losing Newhouse will be worth more than he was.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Best news of the day...he just never improved at all. Looked promising at times...completely outmatched many others.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/251503681.html

Addition by subtraction.

The comp picks for losing Newhouse will be worth more than he was.

That's terrible, but yeah...

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Franklin is going to entrench himself as the backup/cop to Lacy this summer.