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Julius Peppers Packers cap number this year $3.5 million but salary $8.5M.
Peppers cap # for the Bears $8,366,668. Michael Bush $2 million too.
Peppers cap # for the Bears $8,366,668. Michael Bush $2 million too.
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***Official*** Green Bay Packers Offseason Thread, v. 2014 (2 Viewers)
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Packers are now at the max of +4 compensatory picks. None of them were for very large contracts so I think we'll end up with 6th/6th/7th/7th next year. That's not too bad. They can trade their current 6th/7th to move around, which gives them some flexibility, then just pick BPA with these comp picks (since you can't trade them).That's terrible, but yeah...
EDS - $3.5M/year - 6th
Jones - $3M/year - 6th
Newhouse - ? - 7th
Jennings - 755k/year - 7th
I'm not aware of a minimum contract to be eligible, so I assume Jennings will still count.
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Signing Peppers will affect thisPackers are now at the max of +4 compensatory picks. None of them were for very large contracts so I think we'll end up with 6th/6th/7th/7th next year. That's not too bad. They can trade their current 6th/7th to move around, which gives them some flexibility, then just pick BPA with these comp picks (since you can't trade them).
EDS - $3.5M/year - 6th
Jones - $3M/year - 6th
Newhouse - ? - 7th
Jennings - 755k/year - 7th
I'm not aware of a minimum contract to be eligible, so I assume Jennings will still count.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Peppers signing will not affect comp picks since he was released from his contract.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/29/compensatory-picks-loom-over-possible-deadline-deals/
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
The combined score of all three of those last year also didn't equal Lamarr Houston's rating on PFF (not even close, actually). Personally, I'd rather have the one very good/elite young player locked up for 5 years than a bunch of question marks for the same price. But there's no guarantee Houston will perform to that level over the course of the contract, and the Packers have easy outs on the rest of them.
None of the signed players will affect the comp picks as of right now. They were all street free agents. In order to be eligible to count against the comp pick selection, a player has to play out his entire contract then not be re-signed. Peppers was cut by the Bears. So was that DT from Minnesota that we signed. So we're at a net +4 right now.Signing Peppers will affect thisPackers are now at the max of +4 compensatory picks. None of them were for very large contracts so I think we'll end up with 6th/6th/7th/7th next year. That's not too bad. They can trade their current 6th/7th to move around, which gives them some flexibility, then just pick BPA with these comp picks (since you can't trade them).
EDS - $3.5M/year - 6th
Jones - $3M/year - 6th
Newhouse - ? - 7th
Jennings - 755k/year - 7th
I'm not aware of a minimum contract to be eligible, so I assume Jennings will still count.
Speaking of comp picks, they should be announced within a week or so.... usually they come out after the owner's meetings.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Maybe...but as you said, Houston has to perform to that level. Peppers needs to perform above last year's level (his worst year as a pro) and Raji back at NT should make at least a small difference.
Also add in that Neal was in his first year even playing OLB for the Packers.
Seems like a solid value deal for Thompson
Houston was a very good pick up for Chicago though.
But for GB, with the holes they had, IMO, the 3 players mentioned should help them more than one player.
I don't think Neal is much of a question mark. He may not have the high ceiling, but I think they know what they are getting in him over the others.
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Vector
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I think you are forgetting the Bears also picked up Willie Young.
Here is a PFF tweet that is quite telling:
Top 4-3 DEs in run stop percentage: Lamarr Houston 10.3%, Willie Young 9.9, DeMarcus Ware 9.5, Greg Hardy 8.7, Dunlap/Bryant/M. Johnson 8.4
https://twitter.com/PFF/status/441227586148913152
I would say the Bears have done much better in improving their DL than what the Packers have. If the Bears get either Donald or Jernigan in the 1st round we have nailed down the core of a top 5 DL for years to come.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Great...add Young and his $number to the conversation or understand the context of what was being discussed.
Or worry about what all the Bears have done and will draft in the Bears thread (since you seem to be more concerned with posting in this topic than that one).
sho nuff
Footballguy
Not really, but you keep trying there vector.The context of what is being discussed is making the most improvement to your team with the constraints of salary cap and draft position. Stay on topic or I'll sic Leroy on you
I find it interesting that with the Packers recent moves there isn't one definite, gaping hole that needs to be addressed. The Packers really can just sit and pick BAP at 21 and be fine on defense. Hyde will likely slide over to free safety. DL is probably the weakest spot on the team right now, both in terms of depth and impact players.
I still think the injury factors are being way overlooked. The Packers were 5th against the run and 8th overall in defense through the first six weeks, and that was without their best cover corner (Hayward), who had hamstring issues since training camp. It's very possible they would have been a top 5 overall defensive unit with every player healthy.
I'm not as worried about the defense as most people. They'll need to address DL depth within the first three rounds, but other than that, take BPA and be happy about it. There are a ton of WRs that will fall due to the depth of the class, so I'm sure a pick in the 4-6 range will be on a WR.
I could see them taking a guy like Ebron if he drops to the 21st. The Packers really missed having a goal-line option like Finley last year. The red-zone TD ratio was among the lowest in the league.
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Vector
Footballguy
Good points, but they seemed to have gotten older on defense rather than younger. I think they still need to go defense in the draft to make sure they stem that trend. If they went with Ebron it would be a mistake in my opinion. As for injuries, the Bears were also devastated by them on the defensive side last year. They are a part of the game and that is why depth and youth are important.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You don't like the facts of how Thompson works...which pretty much has kept the Packers one of the youngest teams in the league year in and year out?
http://thesilverdomeblues.com/nfl-teams-average-age-heading-into-free-agency-2013/
http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/09/01/ranking-the-nfl-teams-by-age-rams-and-eagles-have-the-two-youngest-teams-in-the-nfl-chargers-are-the-oldest/
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/09/nfl-teams-ranked-by-average-age/
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Pipes
Footballguy
I still think they need a safety in the worst way since we don't know if Hyde can make the transition or not. I think they need to improve at ILB as well so I'm hoping Mosely falls to them in the first than Ward or Buchanan in the 2nd would be an ideal 1st 2 rounds for me. I wouldn't hate Ebron in the 1st but he's really the only offensive player that I wouldn't mind at that spot though I doubt think he falls down that far.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Would still love to see Owen Daniels as a Packer just in case Bostick doesn't work out.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Packers receive 3rd and a 5th round compensatory picks.
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F**king nice!KingPrawn said:Packers receive 3rd and a 5th round compensatory picks.
The picks were generous this year. I thought they'd get a 3rd/6th.
I cannot believe the Ravens got 3rd/4th/4th/5th. That's insane in such a deep draft. What a huge advantage for them.
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Vic posted this recently:
"Last year, the Packers received a compensatory pick in the fifth round and used it to select DE Josh Boyd. Other compensatory picks from recent drafts include DE Mike Daniels (fourth round, 2012), CB Davon House (fourth round, 2011) and G Josh Sitton (fourth round, 2008)."
That's some fantastic use of comp picks. Let's hope the 3rd this year is a home-run.
"Last year, the Packers received a compensatory pick in the fifth round and used it to select DE Josh Boyd. Other compensatory picks from recent drafts include DE Mike Daniels (fourth round, 2012), CB Davon House (fourth round, 2011) and G Josh Sitton (fourth round, 2008)."
That's some fantastic use of comp picks. Let's hope the 3rd this year is a home-run.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Few things out of McCarthy from the owners meetings:
-Bulaga back at RT, Bakhtiari at LT
-Confirmed Raji at NT in base sets and as close to the ball as possible other times.(between him and Peppers was talking about how little they are in 3/4 sets...24-25% of the time)
-Peppers the "elephant" hybrid OLB/DE role.
-Wants to see Hyde on the field more...whether that means CB, Slot, or Safety
-Likes to depth at RB...Franklin though apparently still recovering from a neck injury, but did not have surgury.
-Datone Jones' ankle apparently was an issue all year long
-Gave a ton of options at C. Tretter first, but mentioned Barclay, Lang, Sitton...don't think there is any way the last 2 will be the C.
-Bulaga back at RT, Bakhtiari at LT
-Confirmed Raji at NT in base sets and as close to the ball as possible other times.(between him and Peppers was talking about how little they are in 3/4 sets...24-25% of the time)
-Peppers the "elephant" hybrid OLB/DE role.
-Wants to see Hyde on the field more...whether that means CB, Slot, or Safety
-Likes to depth at RB...Franklin though apparently still recovering from a neck injury, but did not have surgury.
-Datone Jones' ankle apparently was an issue all year long
-Gave a ton of options at C. Tretter first, but mentioned Barclay, Lang, Sitton...don't think there is any way the last 2 will be the C.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Hoping we land Ebron or Donald in the draft right now.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
So no changes really except that we lost our center. Bulaga needs to earn his spot. I still thinks he's a guard and could truly excel there. He'll never be more than an average tackle but at least rt is more natural to him. Not that it matters much because once the injuries hit he will be shuffled all over the place anyway.
They must want to line Raji up close to the ball so he doesn't forget what it looks like seeing as he never really gets near it after the snap. Nice of Mike to do that for him.
They must want to line Raji up close to the ball so he doesn't forget what it looks like seeing as he never really gets near it after the snap. Nice of Mike to do that for him.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Datone, Perry, and Heyward need to come on strong this season. The team needs them terribly.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Still not seeing TE in the 1st.
There is just not the value there.
Who were these great 1st round TEs recently that would warrant a 1st rounder on one?
Pettigrew?
Eifert?
Gresham? (yeah, he was so great they used another 1st rounder on Eifert
Fleener (yeah, 2nd pick of the 2nd round)?
Gronk was a nice pick pretty high in the 2nd.
Several other very good TEs found later in the 4th,,,Jordan Cameron, Julius Thomas... (yes, it takes them a few years, but seems to take the 1st and high 2nd rounders a few years too)
My main point is not that Ebron is bad...just that I don't think TT would place that high of a value on a TE to make a 1st round grade.
There is just not the value there.
Who were these great 1st round TEs recently that would warrant a 1st rounder on one?
Pettigrew?
Eifert?
Gresham? (yeah, he was so great they used another 1st rounder on Eifert
Fleener (yeah, 2nd pick of the 2nd round)?
Gronk was a nice pick pretty high in the 2nd.
Several other very good TEs found later in the 4th,,,Jordan Cameron, Julius Thomas... (yes, it takes them a few years, but seems to take the 1st and high 2nd rounders a few years too)
My main point is not that Ebron is bad...just that I don't think TT would place that high of a value on a TE to make a 1st round grade.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
"Last Day at Lambeau"
Pretty well-done documentary for those interested in and willing to re-live the Favre saga: http://vimeo.com/60488925
Pretty well-done documentary for those interested in and willing to re-live the Favre saga: http://vimeo.com/60488925
Stark's deal is super team-friendly (I hadn't seen the specifics on it before today).
RB James Starks signed a two year, $3.25 million contract with the Green Bay Packers on March 19, 2014. Starks received a $725,000 signing bonus and can earn up to $225,000 per year in per game roster bonuses.
$1,370,313 cap hit in 2014 seems really cheap for a player of his ability (when healthy). He was certainly a very good complementary back last year. Starks graded out at the level of Rashad Jennings, who is a year older than Starks and got a much better contract ($10M over 4 years with $2.25M signing bonus).
If Starks has a crappy year they can cut him next offseason and only be stuck with ~$300,000 in dead money in 2015. Ted strikes again!
With Lacy, Starks, Franklin, and Harris the Packers all of a sudden have one of the best, youngest, and cheapest running back stables in the league. Given the relative costs, I don't think the Packers would switch their RB situation with any other team in the league. Only ~3% of the salary cap is dedicated to the position and I think they are set for the next couple of years. That's a fantastic advantage. If they get that same kind of return on some defensive positions during the next couple of years, the Packers will be tough to beat.
RB James Starks signed a two year, $3.25 million contract with the Green Bay Packers on March 19, 2014. Starks received a $725,000 signing bonus and can earn up to $225,000 per year in per game roster bonuses.
$1,370,313 cap hit in 2014 seems really cheap for a player of his ability (when healthy). He was certainly a very good complementary back last year. Starks graded out at the level of Rashad Jennings, who is a year older than Starks and got a much better contract ($10M over 4 years with $2.25M signing bonus).
If Starks has a crappy year they can cut him next offseason and only be stuck with ~$300,000 in dead money in 2015. Ted strikes again!
With Lacy, Starks, Franklin, and Harris the Packers all of a sudden have one of the best, youngest, and cheapest running back stables in the league. Given the relative costs, I don't think the Packers would switch their RB situation with any other team in the league. Only ~3% of the salary cap is dedicated to the position and I think they are set for the next couple of years. That's a fantastic advantage. If they get that same kind of return on some defensive positions during the next couple of years, the Packers will be tough to beat.
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FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
Ahh... 2009. The birth of FavreAndAwayAnIdiot...
Good documentary, and surprising that some current media members were so open.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
John Kuhn resigned. Nice addition. With Lacy, Franklin, Harris, Starks and Kuhn I think the backfield is all set. This might be the deepest position on the team.
kwille
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I like Kuhn, but I think a roster spot for him is a luxury the Packers cannot afford.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Packers sign Flynn as backup. A good move. Outside of Detroit, he has always performed well enough for the Packers. Any back up that wins 50% of his games is a good back up
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
(sigh...) If they were winning superbowls (or even being competitive in the playoffs) I'd get excited that they are bringing all these same Packer players back. But all this tells me is that they are trying to retain mediocrity.
Is TT completely incapable of looking outside the box anymore?
Is TT completely incapable of looking outside the box anymore?
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm sure they sit in meeting rooms and say "How do we retain our mediocrity?" Give me a break.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Flynn is a top 10 back up qb. You cannot expect a backup to perform better. He knows the offense, he moves the team, they win 50% of the time.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Who would you rather have them sign as a backup QB?FavreAndAwayAnIdiot said:
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Maybe he wants TT to roll without a backup QB? Because, you know, that would be a great example of thinking outside the box....
This comment is so ridiculous that you should feel embarrassed.FavreAndAwayAnIdiot said:
Despite having the #1 and #2 most injured teams (by games lost by starters) in the past two seasons, the Packers are in the top 5 for most wins of any franchise over the last 5 years.
You've been spoiled by success. They won a Super Bowl a few years ago and perennially have one of the most talented and best coached teams in the league. If you're complaining now, you're going to be in for a rude awakening in 10 years when the Packers aren't luckboxing back-to-back Hall of Fame QBs.
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FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
Your definition of success is so ridiculous that you should feel embarrassed. (see I can do that too)
They accidentally won the division this year only because the rest of the North imploded. Not sure if you remember the last few playoffs, but the Pack hasn't been all that competitive. 17-point loss (at home)... 14-point loss to San Fran (which was much worse than the final score)... Another loss to the 9'ers...
I guess if regular season wins is the mark of a great franchise, then the Packers are the team to beat! Unfortunately, they are, routinely, in the playoffs-- you know, where it counts? Yeah, they won a Superbowl a few years ago but the arrow has been pointing down on this franchise since, yet they seem more concerned about keeping their own pieces than bringing in new ones that may or may not be better. Point is, we already know what we have with some of these guys-- mediocrity. Mediocre doesn't mean "bad", it means "meh". They're not going to suddenly start winning in the playoffs by re-signing "meh". Folks were looking for some bold moves from TT this offseason to get out of "meh", but all we got was a 35 year old DE who looked like he was in steep decline last year.
But we've beaten this to death, I've long since understood most of the Packer fans in this forum are incapable of having critical conversations about their team, so just keep screaming "Go Pack!" and be happy. As long as you keep buying tickets, that's all that counts.
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FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
Flynn is obviously a system QB that can fill in for a game or two, never mind the fact that I can eat an entire sandwich between his release and when the ball gets to its target... I figured Green Bay realized that if they're going to field an offensive line that struggles protecting the most valuable player in the league, then they'd better have a backup QB that can carry the load for the long haul when Rodgers goes down.
Not a guy "who can win 50% of his games".
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Your comments are out of line with reality. There are 32 teams in this league and all but perhaps five owners would trade their left nut to have the success that the Packers have had recently.FavreAndAwayAnIdiot said:
After winning(!) the Super Bowl in 2010, the Packers lost to only one of two teams that could match them, the (healthy) Pierre-Paul led Giants with their dominating defensive line. If not for facing that team in the first round they would likely have hoisted another trophy. The Giants and the Chiefs that year were the only teams with the defensive personnel to rush 4 with consistent pressure and drop 7 into coverage. That was the only way of beating the 2011 Packers.
In 2012 and 2013 the Packers won the division again, despite being the most and second most injured teams those seasons, respectively. Yes, they lost in the playoffs both years to a more talented team. But how many teams could have matched up with the Packers those two seasons? Three or four? I will take those odds every year! The 49ers just happened to be one of them and they ran into them early both times. Same thing with the Giants in 2011.
I don't buy your "mediocre" baloney. Despite picking at the end of the first round on a annual basis, the Packers are consistently one of the best teams in the league, and are only going to get better if they stop getting unlucky with injuries. The defense was the 6th best overall unit prior to week 6 when they started getting slammed by injuries, and that was without having Hayward practically the whole season. Hayward, if you remember, was the 3rd best cover corner IN THE ENTIRE NFL during 2012.
There have been between 20 and 32 teams every season for the last 50 years in the NFL. That's 2,000+ seasons for a whole lot of different fans and we've been lucky enough to witness a Super Bowl win and perennial playoff births. You are in dire need of adjusting your perspective, sir.
... "mediocre" ... LOL!
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The Packers would've likely hoisted another trophy, if not for Pierre Paul led Giants. Well guess what the Packers got smoked in that DIVISIONAL round game. The Packers would've had to then beat the 49ers(how has that worked out lately?) and the Patriots.
2012/2013 injury excuse again, get in line...tons of teams have injuries it's part of the game. In 2012 your key injuries were Benson, 34 year old Woodson, and Jennings for 8 games. It wasn't the end of the world and your data is off for 2013, but don't let facts get in the way http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20140107-gosselin-injuries-are-no-excuse-for-another-mediocre-dallas-cowboys-season.ece
When you have one of the best QBs in the game not making the championship game 3 years in a row is disappointing. I've led this argument earlier and now it looks like someone is on my side.
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