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***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (4 Viewers)
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11493 in 2010. Divide that in half and you get 5747.I've got 3000 from the WTC and another 4488 from Iraq. That's 7488 not including Afghan and other terrorist attacks.
lod01
Footballguy
Somone has some stats wrong. Not sure who but this says 30k a year which puts it at 15k in 6 months. Is 30k the average over the years? That's like 82 a day. That's insane. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-05-07/news/bs-ed-guns-letter-20110507_1_gun-violence-gun-injuries-binFirearms kill more than 30,000 people every year in the U.S
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sporthenry
Footballguy
From the article:
Suicides by firearm account for over 19,000 deaths as well so the number is close to 30,000 deaths by firearms, not necessarily just homicides. Just a case of picking which side of the numbers you want to argue.
lod01
Footballguy
That explains the 30k number.
Speaking of which...According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety:
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In 2007, the latest year for which data are available, motor vehicle crashes were the leading cause of death among 13-19 year-old males and females in the United States.
•A total of 3,466 teenagers ages 13-19 died in motor vehicle crashes in 2009. This is 60 percent fewer than in 1975 and 15 percent fewer than in 2008.
Surprised it's that high. Lots of easier ways to go than using a firearm.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
drivers license - checkspeed limits - check
stop signs - check
stop lights - check
numerous other laws and regulations - check
shader
Footballguy
Oh I see. They are only counting the Americans that died in those wars. I misunderstood.
Sort of the same debate though for a lot of us though.How do you come up with 16? 17 would be safer. Obviously society weighed out the costs v. benefits and agreed that sacrificing some teens was OK in the overall scheme. Same thing will happen with guns. A line is/will be established between no controls to banning every firearm.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
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Joe T
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
I can't believe this is even a discussion. You are never going to get 3/4 of the states to nullify the Second Amendment.Amendments have the full weight and force of any other part of the constitution.Ok, Jethro. The Second Amendment wasn't apart of the Constitution; it's apart of something called the Bill of Rights that contains AMENDMENTS to the Constitution and the AMENDMENTS were not adopted until four years after the Constitution to address immediate concerns of citizens. All it takes is another AMENDMENT and that becomes the foundation of your rights. Falling back on the Second Amendment is not an argument.
You are a hazard to society. Seriously.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
steelerfan1
Footballguy
oats,not trying to be a wiseguy or anything, but weren't you getting a gun for home protection at 1 point?i thought i had answered a question about it in the past, but i could be thinking of someone else?edited to say, no i didn't think romney was going to win...
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Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
How do WE get Congress to pass a gun control bill?
Otis
Footballguy
Yes. Covered earlier in this thread. I never got one. The more I read about it, the more I realized it would make my home less safe, not more safe.
sporthenry
Footballguy
I would assume the bare minimum will be revisiting the federal AWB. Any congressman will be vilified for voting against it at this point. Will be interesting to see if they stop at that or try to make a federal minimum for gun purchases.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
We don't only have a problem with guns. People need help with the treatment of mentally ill family members.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I'm all for stricter control but if you guys think that the 2nd amendment is getting touched then you are crazier the Adam Lanza.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
I mean is there a online petition?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
An online petition will change everything.
sporthenry
Footballguy
I know there was one started sent to the President. Not sure if you remember a few days ago, the joke was the online petition about the Death Star had reached the necessary 25,000 signatures to get the President's attention. Well a similar petition had already reached 25K about guns in just a few hours. Hopefully common sense and the people's wishes are recognized. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/273069-white-house-gun-control-petition-gets-immediate-support-online
Is that the guy from American Idol?
jonessed
Footballguy
It will be months before it's even addressed. The lame duck Congress has to deal with the fiscal cliff issue and then the next Congress runs smack into the debt limit.If they take it up after that it will probably start with the AWB.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I don't own a gun, but I believe any substantive change is not going to happen because each side is not going to risk the wrath of the NRA and the millions of gun owners. There is alot of outrage, but politicians in the end are going to do what is right for their re-ellection odds--bottom line.
All I can see happening is some watered down, more intenstive background check for weapon purchases, which would have had zero impact on yesterday's shooting.
I think a good start would be tightening down on gun show purchases. I would be for a ban on assault type weapons--there is no reason for anyone to own an AK-47. If the excuse is you are a collector, then you can have one, but the firing pin or whatever (I don't know guns) is removed and it is disabled. It can hang on your wall.
But even doing these two things wouldn't have changed a thing about what went down yesterday.
I don't know if a stop gap is some Federal funding to make sure each school has the ability to hire on armed security officer wouldn't make some sense. I know most schools here where I live have an SRO (School Resource Officer--which is a regular city cop) on staff and usually on site every school day.
There is no easy answer here because how are you going to stop a crazy person bent on doing completely unspeakable acts?
All I can see happening is some watered down, more intenstive background check for weapon purchases, which would have had zero impact on yesterday's shooting.
I think a good start would be tightening down on gun show purchases. I would be for a ban on assault type weapons--there is no reason for anyone to own an AK-47. If the excuse is you are a collector, then you can have one, but the firing pin or whatever (I don't know guns) is removed and it is disabled. It can hang on your wall.
But even doing these two things wouldn't have changed a thing about what went down yesterday.
I don't know if a stop gap is some Federal funding to make sure each school has the ability to hire on armed security officer wouldn't make some sense. I know most schools here where I live have an SRO (School Resource Officer--which is a regular city cop) on staff and usually on site every school day.
There is no easy answer here because how are you going to stop a crazy person bent on doing completely unspeakable acts?
jonessed
Footballguy
It's not just the NRA. Opinion on stricter gun control laws has been below 50% for several years and it's even less in the key battleground states. This will obviously provide quite a bump, but the Columbine bump was pretty much wiped out in less than a year. I think you are going to have a hard time finding the votes even in the Senate. There are several Democratic senators from the Midwest up for re-election in 2014. They aren't going to want to vote on this. The timing also gives them a convenient pass as it will be several months before they even have time to address it.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
We have AWB in Mass and New York. Can't we take care of it at the state level?
sporthenry
Footballguy
I have a little more hope. For one, there are still some in Congress who have been pushing for gun control but haven't gotten any traction from others in Congress. So they already have a base to work off of. Additionally, it has become in some politician's best interest to push for reform. I'm sure several of the Congressman from Connecticut will want to co-sponsor the bill. We've also seen a lot of fear from normal citizens all over the place, so they will want to know what their local congressman is doing to ensure this doesn't happen at their schools. If the economy is still in shambles, it probably won't be a huge issue but I could easily see this being an issue in 2 years.'proninja said:
sporthenry
Footballguy
Do you really think states like Texas would do this? Without that, people will just go to Texas to get their fix for AWs. Same can be said of background checks, private gun sellers, etc.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Look at this idiot...
Executive Director of Gun Owners of America Says Armed Teachers Would Have Stopped Newtown Shooting
This brilliant mother ######s answer/solution is to have all the teachers armed with guns in all the schools around all the children.
That's like 7.2 million teachers. Folks, it doesn't get any dumber.
Executive Director of Gun Owners of America Says Armed Teachers Would Have Stopped Newtown Shooting
This brilliant mother ######s answer/solution is to have all the teachers armed with guns in all the schools around all the children.
That's like 7.2 million teachers. Folks, it doesn't get any dumber.
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Uh, he is probably right. Or it would have at least minimized the damage.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
Guns locked in a case would've prevented the shooting.
Otis
Footballguy
Wow. Just wow.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Except the tons of other deaths that would inevitably occur.He is as wrong as it gets.
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sporthenry
Footballguy
So how do you ensure that students don't get to these guns? I would imagine in high school, this would be a huge concern that students would get to the guns. I would assume you would need very high restrictions to the access of these guns. I.e. locks or putting them in a central location, which in the case of a massacre like this, people aren't going to have time to go get the guns. Unless you have a gun in an easily accessible place (which I already laid out concerns about this), guns are pretty useless in these sneak attacks. Additionally, do you have a poll on how many teachers even would want guns. Are you going to require teachers to carry guns against their own wills?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I never said I thought it was a good idea to arm every teacher.
sporthenry
Footballguy
Well what if nobody at Sandy Hook elementary school wanted a gun?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Do you truly believe that?He killed his mom. You don't think he could have gotten the key or the code?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Uh, then they wouldn't have to have a gun?Not sure what you're going for here. I said that the he was probably right with the quote in the headline. Does that outweigh the risks of having every teacher armed? No.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
If his mom was responsible, no. The keys/code would be safely hidden away. A locked cabinet, trigger locks and ammo stored separately prevents this. Those are basic things that any responsible gun owner does.
I'm a former member of the military who has been trained to use firearms responsibly and who in turn has trained members of my family in the same skills. I own guns and use them for perfectly legal purposes which harm nobody. I know plenty of people who do the same I speak the truth when I say they will not hand over their rights to the likes of you. It's not a threat, it's simply reality. The 2nd Amendment is a tripwire that will set a lot of unfortunate things in motion should this nation's progressives attempt the ultimate power grab.As far your second comment, I wonder if you'd speak so cavalierly if the federal government threatened to strip American women of the ability to have abortions? Far more human beings lose their lives each year through that despicable practice yet liberals have no problem disposing of those innocents by the millions. Out of sight out of mind, huh?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Yeah, arming all the students would have prevented it also.What a total dumb ####.
