***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (1 Viewer)

[Power Monster]

I am convinced that I need to buy a gun after reading the liberal rhetoric in this thread. People can believe anything they want but the main stream media propaganda is just sickening. The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity. You want to see another civil war? Start taking away the 2nd amendment. The founders were SPOT on when they instructed Americans that the right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed upon. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone with a lick of sense would give this government any trust to protect your rights. You want to go live in a society without a 2nd amendment, you have plenty of choices. You think the events of last Friday are tragic? What about the millions of children that have been aborted? What about the filthy process of late term abortions? Where is the outrage for that blood shedding? I am sick to my stomach as to what has happened to these children. I am in a mode of depression over the death of these innocent children that lost their lives this past Friday. The media blames the guns BUT what about the state of the individual pulling the trigger? How does an individual kill children without mercy? What is the root cause of such EVIL? People go after the guns but what about the filth on TV? The violence in movies and video games? The manner in which people treat each other? The NFL? The MMA? The drones that kill innocent children? The war machines that destroy women and children in the name of stopping terror? We have become a society in LOVE with violence. You give a child a life influenced by violence from the filthy media and then beat people up for 8 plus years about how bleak and depressing our economy is- what do people think is going to happen to these kids? You are willing to toss away your right to defend yourself and trust government because the media is teaching our society about being filthy, violent, porn loving and unmoralistic? People want to talk about the source of the issue- the root cause- let's start with the filthy media and a power grabbing lying government.

 

[jafo]

Don't see how you can make that leap. Police officers are armed and you are ok with that? Why? Because they are required to be trained in how to use a gun correctly?

I don't think you're understanding the basic argument that's being made here with this lottery analogy. The argument is that the probability that you'll actually find yourself in a position to defend yourself or others with a concealed weapon is incredibly small. That's where the lottery thing comes in. The odds of winning the lottery are astronomically high, something that most people who play the lottery either don't understand or choose to ignore because they prefer to live in a fantasy world where there's actually a reasonable chance it will happen. We're saying that's what concealed carry people are doing with their decision to carry a weapon. The chance for you to use it effectively will almost definitely not happen. It's such a teeny tiny minute possibility that one could fairly ask how your behavior is rational (because a negative consequence may be more likely, no matter how safe and smart you think you are) and wonder if you're thinking with your heart and not your head. Just like with the lottery.

What are the odds that you will be a victim of a mass shooting like Sandy Hook, Oregon or Aurora?

One of the smartest posts in this thread. Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Don't see how you can make that leap. Police officers are armed and you are ok with that? Why? Because they are required to be trained in how to use a gun correctly?

I don't think you're understanding the basic argument that's being made here with this lottery analogy. The argument is that the probability that you'll actually find yourself in a position to defend yourself or others with a concealed weapon is incredibly small. That's where the lottery thing comes in. The odds of winning the lottery are astronomically high, something that most people who play the lottery either don't understand or choose to ignore because they prefer to live in a fantasy world where there's actually a reasonable chance it will happen. We're saying that's what concealed carry people are doing with their decision to carry a weapon. The chance for you to use it effectively will almost definitely not happen. It's such a teeny tiny minute possibility that one could fairly ask how your behavior is rational (because a negative consequence may be more likely, no matter how safe and smart you think you are) and wonder if you're thinking with your heart and not your head. Just like with the lottery.

What are the odds that you will be a victim of a mass shooting like Sandy Hook, Oregon or Aurora?

One of the smartest posts in this thread. Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.

Sure, I guess. Except that it has absolutely nothing to do with the post to which it replied. And that it doesn't make any point at all. Other than that, brilliant. The odds of you being a victim of a mass shooting are very very small. Therefore ... what exactly?I'm actually kind of ambivalent on gun control measures. The point of the lottery stuff is that people who justify their own gun ownership with some fantasy about protecting their family or innocent strangers are delusional, not that we should ban guns because of their delusions.

 

[Joe T]

Don't see how you can make that leap. Police officers are armed and you are ok with that? Why? Because they are required to be trained in how to use a gun correctly?

I don't think you're understanding the basic argument that's being made here with this lottery analogy. The argument is that the probability that you'll actually find yourself in a position to defend yourself or others with a concealed weapon is incredibly small. That's where the lottery thing comes in. The odds of winning the lottery are astronomically high, something that most people who play the lottery either don't understand or choose to ignore because they prefer to live in a fantasy world where there's actually a reasonable chance it will happen. We're saying that's what concealed carry people are doing with their decision to carry a weapon. The chance for you to use it effectively will almost definitely not happen. It's such a teeny tiny minute possibility that one could fairly ask how your behavior is rational (because a negative consequence may be more likely, no matter how safe and smart you think you are) and wonder if you're thinking with your heart and not your head. Just like with the lottery.

What are the odds that you will be a victim of a mass shooting like Sandy Hook, Oregon or Aurora?

One of the smartest posts in this thread. Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.

Sure, I guess. Except that it has absolutely nothing to do with the post to which it replied. And that it doesn't make any point at all. Other than that, brilliant. The odds of you being a victim of a mass shooting are very very small. Therefore ... what exactly?I'm actually kind of ambivalent on gun control measures. The point of the lottery stuff is that people who justify their own gun ownership with some fantasy about protecting their family or innocent strangers are delusional, not that we should ban guns because of their delusions.

2 in 19?

 

[Clifford]

Don't see how you can make that leap. Police officers are armed and you are ok with that? Why? Because they are required to be trained in how to use a gun correctly?

I don't think you're understanding the basic argument that's being made here with this lottery analogy. The argument is that the probability that you'll actually find yourself in a position to defend yourself or others with a concealed weapon is incredibly small. That's where the lottery thing comes in. The odds of winning the lottery are astronomically high, something that most people who play the lottery either don't understand or choose to ignore because they prefer to live in a fantasy world where there's actually a reasonable chance it will happen. We're saying that's what concealed carry people are doing with their decision to carry a weapon. The chance for you to use it effectively will almost definitely not happen. It's such a teeny tiny minute possibility that one could fairly ask how your behavior is rational (because a negative consequence may be more likely, no matter how safe and smart you think you are) and wonder if you're thinking with your heart and not your head. Just like with the lottery.

What are the odds that you will be a victim of a mass shooting like Sandy Hook, Oregon or Aurora?

One of the smartest posts in this thread. Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.

Has anyone asked what the odds are of being personally affected by this? Losing a friend or family member?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I am convinced that I need to buy a gun after reading the liberal rhetoric in this thread. People can believe anything they want but the main stream media propaganda is just sickening. The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity. You want to see another civil war? Start taking away the 2nd amendment. The founders were SPOT on when they instructed Americans that the right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed upon. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone with a lick of sense would give this government any trust to protect your rights. You want to go live in a society without a 2nd amendment, you have plenty of choices. You think the events of last Friday are tragic? What about the millions of children that have been aborted? What about the filthy process of late term abortions? Where is the outrage for that blood shedding? I am sick to my stomach as to what has happened to these children. I am in a mode of depression over the death of these innocent children that lost their lives this past Friday. The media blames the guns BUT what about the state of the individual pulling the trigger? How does an individual kill children without mercy? What is the root cause of such EVIL? People go after the guns but what about the filth on TV? The violence in movies and video games? The manner in which people treat each other? The NFL? The MMA? The drones that kill innocent children? The war machines that destroy women and children in the name of stopping terror? We have become a society in LOVE with violence. You give a child a life influenced by violence from the filthy media and then beat people up for 8 plus years about how bleak and depressing our economy is- what do people think is going to happen to these kids? You are willing to toss away your right to defend yourself and trust government because the media is teaching our society about being filthy, violent, porn loving and unmoralistic? People want to talk about the source of the issue- the root cause- let's start with the filthy media and a power grabbing lying government.

In light of recent events and pretty much everything you've ever posted here, I wouldn't mind if you had a evaluation or twelve. I'm actually not kidding.

 

[Apple Juice]

I am convinced that I need to buy a gun after reading the liberal rhetoric in this thread. People can believe anything they want but the main stream media propaganda is just sickening. The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity. You want to see another civil war? Start taking away the 2nd amendment. The founders were SPOT on when they instructed Americans that the right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed upon. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone with a lick of sense would give this government any trust to protect your rights. You want to go live in a society without a 2nd amendment, you have plenty of choices. You think the events of last Friday are tragic? What about the millions of children that have been aborted? What about the filthy process of late term abortions? Where is the outrage for that blood shedding? I am sick to my stomach as to what has happened to these children. I am in a mode of depression over the death of these innocent children that lost their lives this past Friday. The media blames the guns BUT what about the state of the individual pulling the trigger? How does an individual kill children without mercy? What is the root cause of such EVIL? People go after the guns but what about the filth on TV? The violence in movies and video games? The manner in which people treat each other? The NFL? The MMA? The drones that kill innocent children? The war machines that destroy women and children in the name of stopping terror? We have become a society in LOVE with violence. You give a child a life influenced by violence from the filthy media and then beat people up for 8 plus years about how bleak and depressing our economy is- what do people think is going to happen to these kids? You are willing to toss away your right to defend yourself and trust government because the media is teaching our society about being filthy, violent, porn loving and unmoralistic? People want to talk about the source of the issue- the root cause- let's start with the filthy media and a power grabbing lying government.

Now that we finally have a reasonable post to start the conversation, I hope the rest of you can follow suit.

 

[Frostillicus]

I am convinced that I need to buy a gun after reading the liberal rhetoric in this thread. People can believe anything they want but the main stream media propaganda is just sickening. The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity. You want to see another civil war? Start taking away the 2nd amendment. The founders were SPOT on when they instructed Americans that the right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed upon. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone with a lick of sense would give this government any trust to protect your rights. You want to go live in a society without a 2nd amendment, you have plenty of choices. You think the events of last Friday are tragic? What about the millions of children that have been aborted? What about the filthy process of late term abortions? Where is the outrage for that blood shedding? I am sick to my stomach as to what has happened to these children. I am in a mode of depression over the death of these innocent children that lost their lives this past Friday. The media blames the guns BUT what about the state of the individual pulling the trigger? How does an individual kill children without mercy? What is the root cause of such EVIL? People go after the guns but what about the filth on TV? The violence in movies and video games? The manner in which people treat each other? The NFL? The MMA? The drones that kill innocent children? The war machines that destroy women and children in the name of stopping terror? We have become a society in LOVE with violence. You give a child a life influenced by violence from the filthy media and then beat people up for 8 plus years about how bleak and depressing our economy is- what do people think is going to happen to these kids? You are willing to toss away your right to defend yourself and trust government because the media is teaching our society about being filthy, violent, porn loving and unmoralistic? People want to talk about the source of the issue- the root cause- let's start with the filthy media and a power grabbing lying government.

 

[BigJohn]

Don't see how you can make that leap. Police officers are armed and you are ok with that? Why? Because they are required to be trained in how to use a gun correctly?

I don't think you're understanding the basic argument that's being made here with this lottery analogy. The argument is that the probability that you'll actually find yourself in a position to defend yourself or others with a concealed weapon is incredibly small. That's where the lottery thing comes in. The odds of winning the lottery are astronomically high, something that most people who play the lottery either don't understand or choose to ignore because they prefer to live in a fantasy world where there's actually a reasonable chance it will happen. We're saying that's what concealed carry people are doing with their decision to carry a weapon. The chance for you to use it effectively will almost definitely not happen. It's such a teeny tiny minute possibility that one could fairly ask how your behavior is rational (because a negative consequence may be more likely, no matter how safe and smart you think you are) and wonder if you're thinking with your heart and not your head. Just like with the lottery.

What are the odds that you will be a victim of a mass shooting like Sandy Hook, Oregon or Aurora?

One of the smartest posts in this thread. Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.

Sure, I guess. Except that it has absolutely nothing to do with the post to which it replied. And that it doesn't make any point at all. Other than that, brilliant. The odds of you being a victim of a mass shooting are very very small. Therefore ... what exactly?I'm actually kind of ambivalent on gun control measures. The point of the lottery stuff is that people who justify their own gun ownership with some fantasy about protecting their family or innocent strangers are delusional, not that we should ban guns because of their delusions.

My point is that all the odds in all these situations is relatively similar. To mock jafo for wanting to be prepared for such a situation by comparing it to the odds of winning the lottery is just as bad if he were to compare the odds of you being directly affected by a mass shooting for being grounds to making drastic changes to our gun laws in this country.And, this is in no way singled out to your response. It's referring to all the posts using the lottery as an example. Just a pointless argument.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

13 times less likely to commit any crime is at least discussion worthy dont you think?

Well, you've removed out from your population everyone who is already convicted of a crime, right? Rescidism rates are pretty high. If you redid the numbers with, "People who haven't been convicted of a crime are 15x less likely to commit a crime than someone who already has" do you think that means something significant?

My inner math nerd rages at expressions like "13 times less likely to . . ." when what we presumably mean is "1/13th as likely to . . ."

 

[ATC1]

Don't see how you can make that leap. Police officers are armed and you are ok with that? Why? Because they are required to be trained in how to use a gun correctly?

I don't think you're understanding the basic argument that's being made here with this lottery analogy. The argument is that the probability that you'll actually find yourself in a position to defend yourself or others with a concealed weapon is incredibly small. That's where the lottery thing comes in. The odds of winning the lottery are astronomically high, something that most people who play the lottery either don't understand or choose to ignore because they prefer to live in a fantasy world where there's actually a reasonable chance it will happen. We're saying that's what concealed carry people are doing with their decision to carry a weapon. The chance for you to use it effectively will almost definitely not happen. It's such a teeny tiny minute possibility that one could fairly ask how your behavior is rational (because a negative consequence may be more likely, no matter how safe and smart you think you are) and wonder if you're thinking with your heart and not your head. Just like with the lottery.

What are the odds that you will be a victim of a mass shooting like Sandy Hook, Oregon or Aurora?

One of the smartest posts in this thread. Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.

Sure, I guess. Except that it has absolutely nothing to do with the post to which it replied. And that it doesn't make any point at all. Other than that, brilliant. The odds of you being a victim of a mass shooting are very very small. Therefore ... what exactly?I'm actually kind of ambivalent on gun control measures. The point of the lottery stuff is that people who justify their own gun ownership with some fantasy about protecting their family or innocent strangers are delusional, not that we should ban guns because of their delusions.

My point is that all the odds in all these situations is relatively similar. To mock jafo for wanting to be prepared for such a situation by comparing it to the odds of winning the lottery is just as bad if he were to compare the odds of you being directly affected by a mass shooting for being grounds to making drastic changes to our gun laws in this country.And, this is in no way singled out to your response. It's referring to all the posts using the lottery as an example. Just a pointless argument.

It's so frustrating to see people would rather wait for a person with a uniform instead of using the resources they have already on school grounds. Especially when that person has proper training. For more information on school concealed carry stats: http://www.campuscarry.com/supporting-facts-arguments/

 

[timschochet]

I am convinced that I need to buy a gun after reading the liberal rhetoric in this thread. People can believe anything they want but the main stream media propaganda is just sickening. The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity. You want to see another civil war? Start taking away the 2nd amendment. The founders were SPOT on when they instructed Americans that the right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed upon. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone with a lick of sense would give this government any trust to protect your rights. You want to go live in a society without a 2nd amendment, you have plenty of choices. You think the events of last Friday are tragic? What about the millions of children that have been aborted? What about the filthy process of late term abortions? Where is the outrage for that blood shedding? I am sick to my stomach as to what has happened to these children. I am in a mode of depression over the death of these innocent children that lost their lives this past Friday. The media blames the guns BUT what about the state of the individual pulling the trigger? How does an individual kill children without mercy? What is the root cause of such EVIL? People go after the guns but what about the filth on TV? The violence in movies and video games? The manner in which people treat each other? The NFL? The MMA? The drones that kill innocent children? The war machines that destroy women and children in the name of stopping terror? We have become a society in LOVE with violence. You give a child a life influenced by violence from the filthy media and then beat people up for 8 plus years about how bleak and depressing our economy is- what do people think is going to happen to these kids? You are willing to toss away your right to defend yourself and trust government because the media is teaching our society about being filthy, violent, porn loving and unmoralistic? People want to talk about the source of the issue- the root cause- let's start with the filthy media and a power grabbing lying government.

Guess what? Those of us who are willing to work to make this country a safer place will try to do so without either your help or the help of the extremists on the other side who want to ban all guns. You and them can go off in your own little corner and have your own little imaginary war. The rest of us will try to deal with real issues and responsible changes to the law.

 

[lod01]

I am convinced that I need to buy a gun after reading the liberal rhetoric in this thread. People can believe anything they want but the main stream media propaganda is just sickening. The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity. You want to see another civil war? Start taking away the 2nd amendment. The founders were SPOT on when they instructed Americans that the right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed upon. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone with a lick of sense would give this government any trust to protect your rights. You want to go live in a society without a 2nd amendment, you have plenty of choices. You think the events of last Friday are tragic? What about the millions of children that have been aborted? What about the filthy process of late term abortions? Where is the outrage for that blood shedding? I am sick to my stomach as to what has happened to these children. I am in a mode of depression over the death of these innocent children that lost their lives this past Friday. The media blames the guns BUT what about the state of the individual pulling the trigger? How does an individual kill children without mercy? What is the root cause of such EVIL? People go after the guns but what about the filth on TV? The violence in movies and video games? The manner in which people treat each other? The NFL? The MMA? The drones that kill innocent children? The war machines that destroy women and children in the name of stopping terror? We have become a society in LOVE with violence. You give a child a life influenced by violence from the filthy media and then beat people up for 8 plus years about how bleak and depressing our economy is- what do people think is going to happen to these kids? You are willing to toss away your right to defend yourself and trust government because the media is teaching our society about being filthy, violent, porn loving and unmoralistic? People want to talk about the source of the issue- the root cause- let's start with the filthy media and a power grabbing lying government.

Got any more where this came from?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity.

Only by suppressing the freedom of the press will we truly become a free society.

 

[17seconds]

Power Monster = Mother Teresa + a love of assault rifles.

 

[Spartans Rule]

The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity.

Only by suppressing the freedom of the press will we truly become a free society.

 

[MaxThreshold]

What are the odds of being in a mass shooting? About the same odds of being struck by lightning:

A few things you won't hear about from the saturation coverage of the Newtown, Conn., school massacre:

Mass shootings are no more common than they have been in past decades, despite the impression given by the media.

In fact, the high point for mass killings in the U.S. was 1929, according to criminologist Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections.

Incidents of mass murder in the U.S. declined from 42 in the 1990s to 26 in the first decade of this century.

The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are about what they are for being struck by lightning.

Until the Newtown horror, the three worst K–12 school shootings ever had taken place in either Britain or Germany.

Almost all of the public-policy discussion about Newtown has focused on a debate over the need for more gun control. In reality, gun control in a country that already has 200 million privately owned firearms is likely to do little to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. We would be better off debating two taboo subjects — the laws that make it difficult to control people with mental illness and the growing body of evidence that "gun-free" zones, which ban the carrying of firearms by law-abiding individuals, don't work.

First, the mental-health issue. A lengthy study by Mother Jones magazine found that at least 38 of the 61 mass shooters in the past three decades "displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings." New York Times columnist David Brooks and Cornell Law School professor William Jacobson have both suggested that the ACLU-inspired laws that make it so difficult to intervene and identify potentially dangerous people should be loosened. "Will we address mental-health and educational-privacy laws, which instill fear of legal liability for reporting potentially violent mentally ill people to law enforcement?" asks Professor Jacobson. "I doubt it."

Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive. "Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a 'helpless-victim zone,'" says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. "Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage," Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances — from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. — where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.

Economists John Lott and William Landes conducted a groundbreaking study in 1999, and found that a common theme of mass shootings is that they occur in places where guns are banned and killers know everyone will be unarmed, such as shopping malls and schools.

I spoke with Lott after the Newtown shooting, and he confirmed that nothing has changed to alter his findings. He noted that the Aurora shooter, who killed twelve people earlier this year, had a choice of seven movie theaters that were showing the Batman movie he was obsessed with. All were within a 20-minute drive of his home. The Cinemark Theater the killer ultimately chose wasn't the closest, but it was the only one that posted signs saying it banned concealed handguns carried by law-abiding individuals. All of the other theaters allowed the approximately 4 percent of Colorado adults who have a concealed-handgun permit to enter with their weapons.

"Disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks," Lott told me. "A couple hundred people were in the Cinemark Theater when the killer arrived. There is an extremely high probability that one or more of them would have had a legal concealed handgun with him if they had not been banned."

Lott offers a final damning statistic: "With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns."

There is no evidence that private holders of concealed-carry permits (which are either easy to obtain or not even required in more than 40 states) are any more irresponsible with firearms than the police. According to a 2005 to 2007 study by researchers at the University of Wisconsin and Bowling Green State University, police nationwide were convicted of firearms violations at least at a 0.002 percent annual rate. That's about the same rate as holders of carry permits in the states with "shall issue" laws.

Despite all of this evidence, the magical thinking behind gun-free zones is unlikely to be questioned in the wake of the Newtown killings. Having such zones gives people a false sense of security, and woe to the politician or business owner who now suggests that a "gun-free zone" revert back to what critics would characterize as "a wild, wild West" status. Indeed, shortly after the Cinemark attack in Colorado, the manager of the nearby Northfield Theaters changed its policy and began banning concealed handguns.

In all of the fevered commentary over the Newtown killings, you will hear little discussion of the fact that we may be making our families and neighbors less safe by expanding the places where guns aren't allowed. But that is precisely what we may be doing. Both criminals and the criminally insane have shown time and time again that those laws are the least of the problems they face as they carry out their evil deeds.

 

[MaxThreshold]

The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity.

Only by suppressing the freedom of the press will we truly become a free society.

Free from the shackles of Freedom! Revolution is what I say.

 

[Power Monster]

In light of recent events and pretty much everything you've ever posted here, I wouldn't mind if you had a evaluation or twelve. I'm actually not kidding.

Interesting as I hardly recognize your handle. Perhaps if you divulge an alias I might recognize from one of your many FBGs handles I might be able to respond accordingly.

 

[lod01]

What are the odds of being in a mass shooting? About the same odds of being struck by lightning:

The problem is that it's increasing. The odds were a hellvua lot better back in the 70s and 80s. Locked doors at schools. WTF??? Not only were the doors not locked but someone could wander through the schoool without even being questioned back then. Our middle school had 6 entrances to it and none were locked.

 

[Enderdog]

The argument is that the probability that you'll actually find yourself in a position to defend yourself with a concealed weapon is incredibly small.

The probability that I'm going to be in a bad traffic accident is also very small. I still wear my seat belt every day though.

 

[Power Monster]

The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity.

Only by suppressing the freedom of the press will we truly become a free society.

By embracing the lies and deception of the media we will descend into an enslaved society. Funny MT- who is the WE in "we truly become a free society"

 

[Power Monster]

Power Monster = Mother Teresa + a love of assault rifles.

You have a logical point or is your best effort silly child's play?

 

[butcher boy]

Why does it matter how unlikely you are to be a victim of a massacre or how the incident rates have gone up or down? It happens, and there are always dead kids as a result.

 

[Power Monster]

Guess what? Those of us who are willing to work to make this country a safer place will try to do so without either your help or the help of the extremists on the other side who want to ban all guns. You and them can go off in your own little corner and have your own little imaginary war. The rest of us will try to deal with real issues and responsible changes to the law.

You want to make this country a safer place then deal with REAL ISSUES. This is a country that lusts after violence thanks to Hollyweird, porn and rotten video games. You fall in the camp of those that eat up every lying word from a media drenched with deception. You are willing to toss aside your freedom and trust lying despots. Goverment doesn't compromise. Compromise is a lose-lose situation. You call yourself an American you have everything to lose. Despot politicians have everything to gain. You want to deal w real issues- throw your TV out and quit buying the lies from the media and the government.

 

[Limp Ditka]

PM unable to properly use the quote function is timeless comedy.

 

[Power Monster]

Got any more where this came from?

Plenty more. What's your fancy?

 

[Power Monster]

PM unable to properly use the quote function is timeless comedy.

Limp Ditka unable to bring a valid point is tireless

 

[17seconds]

Might want to look at WHY people do these things and not HOW. Hint: It isn't a gun problem.

Why do you assume since it is a people problem, there can be no effective action taken to control guns as well?I agree it is a people problem. But it can be reduced if fewer people can obtain guns.It all comes down to the value you place on guns. I place no value on guns personally, so if 10 million guns are taken away and it saves 1 child that would be fine with me. But you guys want guns so you make that an issue.

 

[Glass Joe]

Guess what? Those of us who are willing to work to make this country a safer place will try to do so without either your help or the help of the extremists on the other side who want to ban all guns. You and them can go off in your own little corner and have your own little imaginary war. The rest of us will try to deal with real issues and responsible changes to the law.

You want to make this country a safer place then deal with REAL ISSUES. This is a country that lusts after violence thanks to Hollyweird, porn and rotten video games. You fall in the camp of those that eat up every lying word from a media drenched with deception. You are willing to toss aside your freedom and trust lying despots. Goverment doesn't compromise. Compromise is a lose-lose situation. You call yourself an American you have everything to lose. Despot politicians have everything to gain. You want to deal w real issues- throw your TV out and quit buying the lies from the media and the government.

Why perpetuate violence with weapons?You're weird.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why does it matter how unlikely you are to be a victim of a massacre or how the incident rates have gone up or down? It happens, and there are always dead kids as a result.

Many more children die in car accidents and drowning. You ready to ban cars and pools?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Might want to look at WHY people do these things and not HOW. Hint: It isn't a gun problem.

Why do you assume since it is a people problem, there can be no effective action taken to control guns as well?I agree it is a people problem. But it can be reduced if fewer people can obtain guns.It all comes down to the value you place on guns. I place no value on guns personally, so if 10 million guns are taken away and it saves 1 child that would be fine with me. But you guys want guns so you make that an issue.

Seems like the ones making it an issue are the ones who want to take them away.

 

[Power Monster]

Guess what? Those of us who are willing to work to make this country a safer place will try to do so without either your help or the help of the extremists on the other side who want to ban all guns. You and them can go off in your own little corner and have your own little imaginary war. The rest of us will try to deal with real issues and responsible changes to the law.

You want to make this country a safer place then deal with REAL ISSUES. This is a country that lusts after violence thanks to Hollyweird, porn and rotten video games. You fall in the camp of those that eat up every lying word from a media drenched with deception. You are willing to toss aside your freedom and trust lying despots. Goverment doesn't compromise. Compromise is a lose-lose situation. You call yourself an American you have everything to lose. Despot politicians have everything to gain. You want to deal w real issues- throw your TV out and quit buying the lies from the media and the government.

Why perpetuate violence with weapons?You're weird.

I'm weird?

You don't need a weapon to perpetuate violence. Weird is some creep at Penn State that did not use a weapon to destroy many many people's lives.

 

[17seconds]

I want to see Power Monster vs Jose C

 

[Power Monster]

The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity.

Only by suppressing the freedom of the press will we truly become a free society.

This should be a bumper sticker

Yes thank God for the media AND the government. Why without their truth and the joy that they bring us where would we be? The media's 1st amendment right to lie and deceive is more important than your 2nd amendment right to protect yourself from these despots. Just keep trusting the curse of the media- the violent super "star" actors, the porn, the drama, the filth, the fake newscasters and their perfect teeth. The deception warps minds. Warped minds pick up weapons be it a gun, a knife, a hammer, a golf club and make out like true American heroes like the fine citizens at the Ba Da Bing or one of those angels in Saw or even a late term abortion doctor where 15 year old girls go because they have no morality and they need to rub out a "mistake"

 

[Genedoc]

I always wondered what happened to Travis Bickle.

 

[Ranethe]

I am convinced that I need to buy a gun after reading the liberal rhetoric in this thread. People can believe anything they want but the main stream media propaganda is just sickening. The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity. You want to see another civil war? Start taking away the 2nd amendment. The founders were SPOT on when they instructed Americans that the right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed upon. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone with a lick of sense would give this government any trust to protect your rights. You want to go live in a society without a 2nd amendment, you have plenty of choices. You think the events of last Friday are tragic? What about the millions of children that have been aborted? What about the filthy process of late term abortions? Where is the outrage for that blood shedding? I am sick to my stomach as to what has happened to these children. I am in a mode of depression over the death of these innocent children that lost their lives this past Friday. The media blames the guns BUT what about the state of the individual pulling the trigger? How does an individual kill children without mercy? What is the root cause of such EVIL? People go after the guns but what about the filth on TV? The violence in movies and video games? The manner in which people treat each other? The NFL? The MMA? The drones that kill innocent children? The war machines that destroy women and children in the name of stopping terror? We have become a society in LOVE with violence. You give a child a life influenced by violence from the filthy media and then beat people up for 8 plus years about how bleak and depressing our economy is- what do people think is going to happen to these kids? You are willing to toss away your right to defend yourself and trust government because the media is teaching our society about being filthy, violent, porn loving and unmoralistic? People want to talk about the source of the issue- the root cause- let's start with the filthy media and a power grabbing lying government.

Got any more where this came from?

Some serious crazy here. Especially love the part about how the media in this country is a curse on a free society. Just one nugget of goodness in a veritable gold mine.It's people like this that persuade me even more that guns need to be regulated more tightly. This guy and guns would be a scary combination.

 

[Bonezerelli]

"Gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all the wars in all of U.S. history combined."

Link

I just can't understand how one can rationalize the solution to your horrible gun violence problem....is more guns. Even your average 3rd grader is taught that when something is not safe, is a problem, is scary or unhealthy, the best thing to do is avoid it.

Yet, we now have wahoos saying teachers should be armed.

Is it really about the outdated 2nd amendment? I just can't believe the forefathers had this horrible situation in mind as something gun enthusiasts should hitch their wagon to when arguing "pro-gun"

But then again, I don't live in a gun culture society, so I can't speak to it. What I can speak of is how you're being viewed by the outside.

As this great article says..."America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence."

2nd LInk

I have a lot of respect for the fortitude of American culture. One aspect of it I saw was after 9/11. As a Canadian, I was impressed with the good acts I read of, the kindness and strength of character particularly of New Yorkers. I must say, I was impressed.

Americans will have to dig deep here. Can you critically look at your own Constitution and ask yourself that hard question, that maybe as the country has changed, perhaps it too needs revision? Or has it become too sacred, to sacrileges to even consider? This is what I think your greatest challenge is.

But I don't think it will happen. The greatest gift Obama and you all could give your children is a society more free of violence. Do you think if you ask a 7 year old if they would prefer a world without guns, or a world where they are allowed to carry guns they would even hesitate to answer properly?

I just don't understand some of you.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Why does it matter how unlikely you are to be a victim of a massacre or how the incident rates have gone up or down? It happens, and there are always dead kids as a result.

Many more children die in car accidents and drowning. You ready to ban cars and pools?

Might be the dumbest argument ever made here. Congrats

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

"Gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all the wars in all of U.S. history combined."

Link

I just can't understand how one can rationalize the solution to your horrible gun violence problem....is more guns. Even your average 3rd grader is taught that when something is not safe, is a problem, is scary or unhealthy, the best thing to do is avoid it.

Yet, we now have wahoos saying teachers should be armed.

Is it really about the outdated 2nd amendment? I just can't believe the forefathers had this horrible situation in mind as something gun enthusiasts should hitch their wagon to when arguing "pro-gun"

But then again, I don't live in a gun culture society, so I can't speak to it. What I can speak of is how you're being viewed by the outside.

As this great article says..."America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence."

2nd LInk

I have a lot of respect for the fortitude of American culture. One aspect of it I saw was after 9/11. As a Canadian, I was impressed with the good acts I read of, the kindness and strength of character particularly of New Yorkers. I must say, I was impressed.

Americans will have to dig deep here. Can you critically look at your own Constitution and ask yourself that hard question, that maybe as the country has changed, perhaps it too needs revision? Or has it become too sacred, to sacrileges to even consider? This is what I think your greatest challenge is.

But I don't think it will happen. The greatest gift Obama and you all could give your children is a society more free of violence. Do you think if you ask a 7 year old if they would prefer a world without guns, or a world where they are allowed to carry guns they would even hesitate to answer properly?

I just don't understand some of you.

You made a lot of sense until this part.

 

[MaxThreshold]

"Gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all the wars in all of U.S. history combined."

Link

I just can't understand how one can rationalize the solution to your horrible gun violence problem....is more guns. Even your average 3rd grader is taught that when something is not safe, is a problem, is scary or unhealthy, the best thing to do is avoid it.

Yet, we now have wahoos saying teachers should be armed.

Is it really about the outdated 2nd amendment? I just can't believe the forefathers had this horrible situation in mind as something gun enthusiasts should hitch their wagon to when arguing "pro-gun"

But then again, I don't live in a gun culture society, so I can't speak to it. What I can speak of is how you're being viewed by the outside.

As this great article says..."America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence."

2nd LInk

I have a lot of respect for the fortitude of American culture. One aspect of it I saw was after 9/11. As a Canadian, I was impressed with the good acts I read of, the kindness and strength of character particularly of New Yorkers. I must say, I was impressed.

Americans will have to dig deep here. Can you critically look at your own Constitution and ask yourself that hard question, that maybe as the country has changed, perhaps it too needs revision? Or has it become too sacred, to sacrileges to even consider? This is what I think your greatest challenge is.

But I don't think it will happen. The greatest gift Obama and you all could give your children is a society more free of violence. Do you think if you ask a 7 year old if they would prefer a world without guns, or a world where they are allowed to carry guns they would even hesitate to answer properly?

I just don't understand some of you.

Yeah, I stopped after this gem: "Mass killings occur with the frequency of changes in the weather.". In reality, mass killings are actually down. This article is nothing but a knee jerk reaction.

 

[Henry Ford]

"Gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all the wars in all of U.S. history combined."

Link

I just can't understand how one can rationalize the solution to your horrible gun violence problem....is more guns. Even your average 3rd grader is taught that when something is not safe, is a problem, is scary or unhealthy, the best thing to do is avoid it.

Yet, we now have wahoos saying teachers should be armed.

Is it really about the outdated 2nd amendment? I just can't believe the forefathers had this horrible situation in mind as something gun enthusiasts should hitch their wagon to when arguing "pro-gun"

But then again, I don't live in a gun culture society, so I can't speak to it. What I can speak of is how you're being viewed by the outside.

As this great article says..."America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence."

2nd LInk

I have a lot of respect for the fortitude of American culture. One aspect of it I saw was after 9/11. As a Canadian, I was impressed with the good acts I read of, the kindness and strength of character particularly of New Yorkers. I must say, I was impressed.

Americans will have to dig deep here. Can you critically look at your own Constitution and ask yourself that hard question, that maybe as the country has changed, perhaps it too needs revision? Or has it become too sacred, to sacrileges to even consider? This is what I think your greatest challenge is.

But I don't think it will happen. The greatest gift Obama and you all could give your children is a society more free of violence. Do you think if you ask a 7 year old if they would prefer a world without guns, or a world where they are allowed to carry guns they would even hesitate to answer properly?

I just don't understand some of you.

Yeah, I stopped after this gem: "Mass killings occur with the frequency of changes in the weather.". In reality, mass killings are actually down. This article is nothing but a knee jerk reaction.

Can you share the data you have on that? Been looking for specifically this information.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why does it matter how unlikely you are to be a victim of a massacre or how the incident rates have gone up or down? It happens, and there are always dead kids as a result.

Many more children die in car accidents and drowning. You ready to ban cars and pools?

Might be the dumbest argument ever made here. Congrats

Seriously? Two tons of steel going at 75+ mph isn't a weapon with a drunk or a criminal behind the wheel (much less a lunatic)? You watch Cops at all? All those high speed chases?

 

[Bonezerelli]

"Gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all the wars in all of U.S. history combined."

Link

I just can't understand how one can rationalize the solution to your horrible gun violence problem....is more guns. Even your average 3rd grader is taught that when something is not safe, is a problem, is scary or unhealthy, the best thing to do is avoid it.

Yet, we now have wahoos saying teachers should be armed.

Is it really about the outdated 2nd amendment? I just can't believe the forefathers had this horrible situation in mind as something gun enthusiasts should hitch their wagon to when arguing "pro-gun"

But then again, I don't live in a gun culture society, so I can't speak to it. What I can speak of is how you're being viewed by the outside.

As this great article says..."America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence."

2nd LInk

I have a lot of respect for the fortitude of American culture. One aspect of it I saw was after 9/11. As a Canadian, I was impressed with the good acts I read of, the kindness and strength of character particularly of New Yorkers. I must say, I was impressed.

Americans will have to dig deep here. Can you critically look at your own Constitution and ask yourself that hard question, that maybe as the country has changed, perhaps it too needs revision? Or has it become too sacred, to sacrileges to even consider? This is what I think your greatest challenge is.

But I don't think it will happen. The greatest gift Obama and you all could give your children is a society more free of violence. Do you think if you ask a 7 year old if they would prefer a world without guns, or a world where they are allowed to carry guns they would even hesitate to answer properly?

I just don't understand some of you.

You made a lot of sense until this part.

I think you get the jist of my point though no? Kids innately will answer what they know is right and wrong, good and harmful. Regardless....

 

[Novice2]

So have we got these weapons of war off the streets and made America safe yet?

 

[bakes]

Why does it matter how unlikely you are to be a victim of a massacre or how the incident rates have gone up or down? It happens, and there are always dead kids as a result.

Many more children die in car accidents and drowning. You ready to ban cars and pools?

What a dumb parallel.How many children die from people intentionally mowing them down with a Subaru? Or from being intentionally tossed into a pool with wanton disregard?

 

[Power Monster]

I am convinced that I need to buy a gun after reading the liberal rhetoric in this thread. People can believe anything they want but the main stream media propaganda is just sickening. The media in this country needs to go. It is a curse on a free socity. You want to see another civil war? Start taking away the 2nd amendment. The founders were SPOT on when they instructed Americans that the right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed upon. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone with a lick of sense would give this government any trust to protect your rights. You want to go live in a society without a 2nd amendment, you have plenty of choices. You think the events of last Friday are tragic? What about the millions of children that have been aborted? What about the filthy process of late term abortions? Where is the outrage for that blood shedding? I am sick to my stomach as to what has happened to these children. I am in a mode of depression over the death of these innocent children that lost their lives this past Friday. The media blames the guns BUT what about the state of the individual pulling the trigger? How does an individual kill children without mercy? What is the root cause of such EVIL? People go after the guns but what about the filth on TV? The violence in movies and video games? The manner in which people treat each other? The NFL? The MMA? The drones that kill innocent children? The war machines that destroy women and children in the name of stopping terror? We have become a society in LOVE with violence. You give a child a life influenced by violence from the filthy media and then beat people up for 8 plus years about how bleak and depressing our economy is- what do people think is going to happen to these kids? You are willing to toss away your right to defend yourself and trust government because the media is teaching our society about being filthy, violent, porn loving and unmoralistic? People want to talk about the source of the issue- the root cause- let's start with the filthy media and a power grabbing lying government.

Got any more where this came from?

Some serious crazy here. Especially love the part about how the media in this country is a curse on a free society. Just one nugget of goodness in a veritable gold mine.It's people like this that persuade me even more that guns need to be regulated more tightly. This guy and guns would be a scary combination.

No real crazy is being deceived by a lying media. You buy this nonsense that the media feeds? I sense a real danger with folks like yourself calling everyone who you disagree with- "crazy". What is crazy is suggesting that Americans should violate their second amendment right. What is crazy is absorbing the filthy violence from the media instead of recognizing that violence as being a true curse on Americans. What is crazy is ignoring the lust for violence and America's obsession with violence. What is crazy is accepting your never ending spoon fed drivel of lies and mind molding. Wars! Violent video games! Gangsta Rap! Violent movies! MMA! WWE! Porn! Legal drugs! Illegal Drugs! Tony Soprano! Fight Club! I recall your rhetoric Ranethe! You kiss the ring of lying despots. You think these filthy tools of the media and hollyweird do not have an impact on young minds? You are deceived. Evil is a devil that kills children without mercy. Evil is a pervert that rapes boys and then uses his good old boy network to cover it up. Evil is millions of aborted children especially late term abortions where a child is snuffed out in a tragic process. These are root causes for how minds get warped. You keep embracing government. I recall how you called me crazy 6 years ago for suggesting that everything govt. touches turns to ca ca but 6 years later it isn't exactly a utopia. Why it has gotten so bad that Americans that call themselves Americans want to chuck their freedom out the window because some numb nut on TV sells them a lie. You want gun control- try another country...

 

[MaxThreshold]

"Gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all the wars in all of U.S. history combined."

Link

I just can't understand how one can rationalize the solution to your horrible gun violence problem....is more guns. Even your average 3rd grader is taught that when something is not safe, is a problem, is scary or unhealthy, the best thing to do is avoid it.

Yet, we now have wahoos saying teachers should be armed.

Is it really about the outdated 2nd amendment? I just can't believe the forefathers had this horrible situation in mind as something gun enthusiasts should hitch their wagon to when arguing "pro-gun"

But then again, I don't live in a gun culture society, so I can't speak to it. What I can speak of is how you're being viewed by the outside.

As this great article says..."America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence."

2nd LInk

I have a lot of respect for the fortitude of American culture. One aspect of it I saw was after 9/11. As a Canadian, I was impressed with the good acts I read of, the kindness and strength of character particularly of New Yorkers. I must say, I was impressed.

Americans will have to dig deep here. Can you critically look at your own Constitution and ask yourself that hard question, that maybe as the country has changed, perhaps it too needs revision? Or has it become too sacred, to sacrileges to even consider? This is what I think your greatest challenge is.

But I don't think it will happen. The greatest gift Obama and you all could give your children is a society more free of violence. Do you think if you ask a 7 year old if they would prefer a world without guns, or a world where they are allowed to carry guns they would even hesitate to answer properly?

I just don't understand some of you.

Yeah, I stopped after this gem: "Mass killings occur with the frequency of changes in the weather.". In reality, mass killings are actually down. This article is nothing but a knee jerk reaction.

Can you share the data you have on that? Been looking for specifically this information.

Still looking for the data on the original claim that "mass killings occur with the frequency of changes in the weather". Here, read mine.

 

[Bonezerelli]

"Gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all the wars in all of U.S. history combined."

Link

I just can't understand how one can rationalize the solution to your horrible gun violence problem....is more guns. Even your average 3rd grader is taught that when something is not safe, is a problem, is scary or unhealthy, the best thing to do is avoid it.

Yet, we now have wahoos saying teachers should be armed.

Is it really about the outdated 2nd amendment? I just can't believe the forefathers had this horrible situation in mind as something gun enthusiasts should hitch their wagon to when arguing "pro-gun"

But then again, I don't live in a gun culture society, so I can't speak to it. What I can speak of is how you're being viewed by the outside.

As this great article says..."America seems to be the place the whole world thinks of when apparently ordinary people use guns for grotesque acts of violence."

2nd LInk

I have a lot of respect for the fortitude of American culture. One aspect of it I saw was after 9/11. As a Canadian, I was impressed with the good acts I read of, the kindness and strength of character particularly of New Yorkers. I must say, I was impressed.

Americans will have to dig deep here. Can you critically look at your own Constitution and ask yourself that hard question, that maybe as the country has changed, perhaps it too needs revision? Or has it become too sacred, to sacrileges to even consider? This is what I think your greatest challenge is.

But I don't think it will happen. The greatest gift Obama and you all could give your children is a society more free of violence. Do you think if you ask a 7 year old if they would prefer a world without guns, or a world where they are allowed to carry guns they would even hesitate to answer properly?

I just don't understand some of you.

Yeah, I stopped after this gem: "Mass killings occur with the frequency of changes in the weather.". In reality, mass killings are actually down. This article is nothing but a knee jerk reaction.

Hey, it's ok. I knew everything would be called into question, and I'm not here to change anyone's opinion other than to offer perspective from the outside. Intended or not, the perception of the US is that of a violent, gun-toting society. And in small part because of that, what happened Friday are the consequences of that society.

What I cannot fathom is why you aren't all united in stopping it? Why do the individual preferences supersede common-sense safety? Again, these are viewpoints out of someone who's culture is is not one that includes the "right to bear arms". I just cannot understand it.

If it's knee jerk, when the hell is it appropriate to write anything questioning your gun laws? Give it a week, and you'll have another tragedy and someone else will say "now's not the time to be talking politics". When is it time? You have so many shootings in so many places there simply isn't time for your law-makers to discuss policy change without someone saying "knee-jerk!"

Again, what do I know. I'm on the outside.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why does it matter how unlikely you are to be a victim of a massacre or how the incident rates have gone up or down? It happens, and there are always dead kids as a result.

Many more children die in car accidents and drowning. You ready to ban cars and pools?

What a dumb parallel.How many children die from people intentionally mowing them down with a Subaru? Or from being intentionally tossed into a pool with wanton disregard?

Why does it have to be children? Is it any less of a tragedy when adults get mowed down? And mowed down some more? You have a point with the pools - so I'll withdraw that - but the car analogy is solid.