***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (4 Viewers)

[timschochet]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

 

[ericttspikes]

The locking door things doesn't seem all that unreasonable. I don't know anything about what the cost would be or if there are drawbacks we haven't considered (fires, mischievous students, etc.)

It certainly doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility for an individual locality to try. It's expensive. It would presumably divert resources from other educational objectives. There are downsides. But it seems like something that a state or school district could be welcome to try. Yay, federalism!

Is diverting those resources to possibly help stop something that is very, very rare in the overall scheme of things really the best choice?

Use of nuclear weapons is very, very rare in the overall scheme of things, but I think it's pretty logical to make them illegal of citizens to own. Our government even has them. If they want to take us, they totally can and we can't fight back. There have to be some bunker-dwellers hot and bothered about that. (I'm obviously not referring to you)

That's not comparable at all. If people had nukes, their use wouldn't be so rare. Even if this was comparable, a nuclear weapon can kill millions of people at one time. Here's we're talking about dozens of fatalities.

"Nukes don't kill people, people do."Assault rifles are weapons of mass destruction. They just have a lobby.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

 

[ATC1]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

Those 100 round magazines jam all the time. It happened in the Aurora shooting. I'll agree it is excessive for anyone regardless.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So anyway...do you need some sort of permit to carry for tasers? Are there ones with certain amounts of juice that you're disallowed from carrying?

 

[timschochet]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

 

[[icon]]

Assault rifles are weapons of mass destruction. They just have a lobby.

hyperbole bus has arrived... all aboard.

You do realize that a good SemiAuto pistol has essentially the same rate of fire as an AR-15 but shoots an even more lethal round, right?

Or is it the fact that "assault rifles" are NOT the weapon of choice in the majority of mass killings, or NOT the weapon of choice in most gun violence that makes them a "Weapon of Mass Destruction"?

 

[ATC1]

So anyway...do you need some sort of permit to carry for tasers? Are there ones with certain amounts of juice that you're disallowed from carrying?

I think it varies state to state. Have not done enough research to know the accuracy, reload capability, range, and requirements. I think all police officers need to be shot by one to carry one.

 

[[icon]]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

Those 100 round magazines jam all the time. It happened in the Aurora shooting. I'll agree it is excessive for anyone regardless.

on both accounts.

 

[Otis]

I'll grant that but let’s key our eye on the target. It's the guy pulling the trigger. We are all just burying our heads in the sand if we believe making guns harder to get is going to solve this problem. These people will continue to find ways to get guns if they are determined enough. We need to get to the root of the problem and focus on the mental health in this country. I’m sure there were warning signs from this guy. It seems there always are, yet they are tragically ignored.

Another strawman. Nobody is saying that getting rid of guns will, "solve the problem." People are saying that it might make the problem better. It might not matter in these arguments terms if it was 20 kids killed that day or 2, but it matters to someone.You will always have crazies. The question is how big of a weapon are you going to make it easy for them to get.

It matters to me. As a parent I felt like I was kicked in the nuts when I first heard what happened. I am heartbroken for those people. I want to see something done too. I just don't want to see a knee jerk reaction from gun control advocates that try to take this too far. I also don't want to see what I and many others perceive to be the real issue here of mental illness brushed aside.

Why is everyone so terrified of the gun control advocates "taking this too far"? What are you afraid of? Obama quartering marines in your living room? Making you watch liberal TV programs?? I don't get the paranoia and terror over this "going too far."To me, the scarier end of the spectrum of "going too far" is crazies with bushmasters slaughtering women and children mercilessly. What am I missing?

Of the bold and the italicized, which one would be better for society if it were controlled?

I don't think it's a multiple choice problem. I think we can do both things.

 

[timschochet]

Also- and this is meant more as a question and not an argument (at least not yet)- I keep reading that fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Yet these rifles that ARE legal can fire up to 60 bullets per minute??? Am I missing something here, or is the legal difference between automatic and semi-automatic rather negligible?

 

[smotherhook]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

you are showing your relative lack of knowledge on weapons.

 

[smotherhook]

Also- and this is meant more as a question and not an argument (at least not yet)- I keep reading that fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Yet these rifles that ARE legal can fire up to 60 bullets per minute??? Am I missing something here, or is the legal difference between automatic and semi-automatic rather negligible?

automatic weapons are not illegal to own in some states

 

[timschochet]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

you are showing your relative lack of knowledge on weapons.

Fair enough. I'm willing to learn. Please instruct me.

 

[tom22406]

Assault rifles are weapons of mass destruction. They just have a lobby.

hyperbole bus has arrived... all aboard. You do realize that a good SemiAuto pistol has essentially the same rate of fire as an AR-15 but shoots an even more lethal round, right? Or is it the fact that "assault rifles" are NOT the weapon of choice in the majority of mass killings, or the weapon of choice in most gun violence that makes them a "Weapon of Mass Destruction"?

Just a little education would go a long ways in these discussions.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Also- and this is meant more as a question and not an argument (at least not yet)- I keep reading that fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Yet these rifles that ARE legal can fire up to 60 bullets per minute??? Am I missing something here, or is the legal difference between automatic and semi-automatic rather negligible?

Fully auto means you pull the trigger once and it keeps firing. Semi-auto means you pull the trigger each time you want to shoot.Not diffucult to pull the trigger once per second.

 

[Henry Ford]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Among other reasons, because in order to be able to get away from various dangers on the road, you need to be able to have the ability to accelerate fairly quickly. Acceleration at a rapid rate requires engine power in excess of that which gets you to exactly 70 mph.

 

[ATC1]

What would really solve a lot of problems if there was some way we could have a gun jam every time a shooter uses only one hand on a weapon. Should never happen to those properly trained.

 

[ericttspikes]

I was going to get my kid some Lawn Darts this year for Christmas, but Walmart doesn't carry them because they are illegal. Too dangerous. Guess I'll have to get him a Bushmaster M4 instead this year.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Among other reasons, because in order to be able to get away from various dangers on the road, you need to be able to have the ability to accelerate fairly quickly. Acceleration at a rapid rate requires engine power in excess of that which gets you to exactly 70 mph.

Lower the speed limit to 50 MPH. Small price to pay for safety, right?

 

[smotherhook]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

you are showing your relative lack of knowledge on weapons.

Fair enough. I'm willing to learn. Please instruct me.

for starters tim, let me first say i value your opinions. i dont always agree with you but i respect you. the statement regarding being able to fire 60 rounds per minute (per USA today) is insanely inaccurate. i would suspect an inexperienced user could get off no less than 150 rounds per minute with a typical ar platformed rifle with 30 round clips. with 10 round clips, 120 per minute.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I don't get the big push for the smaller magazine clip. This seems pretty ineffective to me.

1. It takes two seconds to switch in another clip. So, while someone in a school type situation may be slowed, it wouldn't be by much. They may also just carry more weapons.

2. I'm no master welder, but it seems to me a clip would be the easiest thing to fabricate myself if I wanted to hold more rounds. It's basically a metal case and a spring with a feeder at the top. You could slice off the bottom, add an extend piece and a bigger spring and you'd be ready to go I think.

Or is this whole thing just to get the ball rolling for greater restrictions when it inevitably fails?

Yes, we know. But that brief moment might give some people a chance to keep more six year olds from being executed. But forget that, there's a guy in Texas who thinks he needs the 30 bullet cartridge to defend his compound, so sorry six year old kid who never had a chance.And you think this kid would have gotten into welding custom clips for this gun? Please.

So we're just talking about this one specific kid that you know intimately. Got it.

 

[tom22406]

Also- and this is meant more as a question and not an argument (at least not yet)- I keep reading that fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Yet these rifles that ARE legal can fire up to 60 bullets per minute??? Am I missing something here, or is the legal difference between automatic and semi-automatic rather negligible?

Fully auto means you pull the trigger once and it keeps firing. Semi-auto means you pull the trigger each time you want to shoot.Not diffucult to pull the trigger once per second.

For an automatic weapon it will unload it's entire magazine with one pull of the trigger in seconds.A semi-automatic means a trigger pull for each bullet.With my Glock I can be fairly accurate at 1 per second and that's a handgun.I think a good middle ground for both sides would be a limited magazine capacity for any semi-automatic.As far as automatic weapons go I see no reason that a full ban for anyone except military and police to not be everywhere.Right now you can purchase them in certain states but need a tax stamp,extensive FBI background check and a fingerprinting processs.And the cost of them is usually very high(10K or higher range)

 

[timschochet]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

you are showing your relative lack of knowledge on weapons.

Fair enough. I'm willing to learn. Please instruct me.

for starters tim, let me first say i value your opinions. i dont always agree with you but i respect you. the statement regarding being able to fire 60 rounds per minute (per USA today) is insanely inaccurate. i would suspect an inexperienced user could get off no less than 150 rounds per minute with a typical ar platformed rifle with 30 round clips. with 10 round clips, 120 per minute.

Thanks. But I'm not sure I understand you. You're suggesting that an inexperienced user could change clips 12 times in a minute?

 

[Henry Ford]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

 

[Apple Jack]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Among other reasons, because in order to be able to get away from various dangers on the road, you need to be able to have the ability to accelerate fairly quickly. Acceleration at a rapid rate requires engine power in excess of that which gets you to exactly 70 mph.

Lower the speed limit to 50 MPH. Small price to pay for safety, right?

The data isn't there to support this. The 55 MPH speed limit was a result of a gas shortage.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I don't get the big push for the smaller magazine clip. This seems pretty ineffective to me. 1. It takes two seconds to switch in another clip. So, while someone in a school type situation may be slowed, it wouldn't be by much. They may also just carry more weapons. 2. I'm no master welder, but it seems to me a clip would be the easiest thing to fabricate myself if I wanted to hold more rounds. It's basically a metal case and a spring with a feeder at the top. You could slice off the bottom, add an extend piece and a bigger spring and you'd be ready to go I think.Or is this whole thing just to get the ball rolling for greater restrictions when it inevitably fails?

I think it's primarily because there seems to be little to no downside to having smaller clips. So when weighing the pros and cons of specific policies, that's one that seems appealing even if the benefits seem relatively small.

To me it seems like a waste of time and money and perhaps there are other more effective solutions. Although, I have no idea what they may be.

 

[Henry Ford]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Among other reasons, because in order to be able to get away from various dangers on the road, you need to be able to have the ability to accelerate fairly quickly. Acceleration at a rapid rate requires engine power in excess of that which gets you to exactly 70 mph.

Lower the speed limit to 50 MPH. Small price to pay for safety, right?

Your vehicle would still need to be able to go faster than 70 mph in order to be able to accelerate out of various dangers.

 

[smotherhook]

Also- and this is meant more as a question and not an argument (at least not yet)- I keep reading that fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Yet these rifles that ARE legal can fire up to 60 bullets per minute??? Am I missing something here, or is the legal difference between automatic and semi-automatic rather negligible?

Fully auto means you pull the trigger once and it keeps firing. Semi-auto means you pull the trigger each time you want to shoot.Not diffucult to pull the trigger once per second.

For an automatic weapon it will unload it's entire magazine with one pull of the trigger in seconds.A semi-automatic means a trigger pull for each bullet.With my Glock I can be fairly accurate at 1 per second and that's a handgun.I think a good middle ground for both sides would be a limited magazine capacity for any semi-automatic.As far as automatic weapons go I see no reason that a full ban for anyone except military and police to not be everywhere.Right now you can purchase them in certain states but need a tax stamp,extensive FBI background check and a fingerprinting processs.And the cost of them is usually very high(10K or higher range)

limited magazine capacity solves nothing. knee jerk reaction. as far as letting the police have fully automatic weapons, i say it is too easy to become a policeman. i know a few policeman that i wouldnt want with an automatic weapon. policemen can be criminals too.

 

[Bogeys]

The locking door things doesn't seem all that unreasonable. I don't know anything about what the cost would be or if there are drawbacks we haven't considered (fires, mischievous students, etc.)

Haven't gotten to the end of the thread so this may have already been covered....but our hospital has magnetic fire doors in the hallways. They auto close when a fire alarm goes off on the same floor and can be locked closed from a central location.Not sure how expensive it would be to install, but a metal door, wiring and some magnets will work.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Also- and this is meant more as a question and not an argument (at least not yet)- I keep reading that fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Yet these rifles that ARE legal can fire up to 60 bullets per minute??? Am I missing something here, or is the legal difference between automatic and semi-automatic rather negligible?

You're missing something.

 

[[icon]]

Thanks. But I'm not sure I understand you. You're suggesting that an inexperienced user could change clips 12 times in a minute?

With a little practice (maybe a day)...
Again, have you ever fired an AR?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The locking door things doesn't seem all that unreasonable. I don't know anything about what the cost would be or if there are drawbacks we haven't considered (fires, mischievous students, etc.)

Haven't gotten to the end of the thread so this may have already been covered....but our hospital has magnetic fire doors in the hallways. They auto close when a fire alarm goes off on the same floor and can be locked closed from a central location.Not sure how expensive it would be to install, but a metal door, wiring and some magnets will work.

What does the fire marshall say about that?

 

[smotherhook]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

checked by the state govt for safety. lmao.

 

[tom22406]

Also- and this is meant more as a question and not an argument (at least not yet)- I keep reading that fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Yet these rifles that ARE legal can fire up to 60 bullets per minute??? Am I missing something here, or is the legal difference between automatic and semi-automatic rather negligible?

Fully auto means you pull the trigger once and it keeps firing. Semi-auto means you pull the trigger each time you want to shoot.Not diffucult to pull the trigger once per second.

For an automatic weapon it will unload it's entire magazine with one pull of the trigger in seconds.A semi-automatic means a trigger pull for each bullet.With my Glock I can be fairly accurate at 1 per second and that's a handgun.I think a good middle ground for both sides would be a limited magazine capacity for any semi-automatic.As far as automatic weapons go I see no reason that a full ban for anyone except military and police to not be everywhere.Right now you can purchase them in certain states but need a tax stamp,extensive FBI background check and a fingerprinting processs.And the cost of them is usually very high(10K or higher range)

limited magazine capacity solves nothing. knee jerk reaction. as far as letting the police have fully automatic weapons, i say it is too easy to become a policeman. i know a few policeman that i wouldnt want with an automatic weapon. policemen can be criminals too.

I am not saying it solves anything I'm saying it's a good middle ground for both sides to start a reasonable discussion.As far as police I do get your point,I was more thinking of a SWAT unit and not the everyday cop who patrols the streets.

 

[Henry Ford]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

checked by the state govt for safety. lmao.

Absolutely. No illegal modifications, well taken care of, still in the possession of the owner. Just like a car.

 

[BigJohn]

The locking door things doesn't seem all that unreasonable. I don't know anything about what the cost would be or if there are drawbacks we haven't considered (fires, mischievous students, etc.)

Haven't gotten to the end of the thread so this may have already been covered....but our hospital has magnetic fire doors in the hallways. They auto close when a fire alarm goes off on the same floor and can be locked closed from a central location.Not sure how expensive it would be to install, but a metal door, wiring and some magnets will work.

What does the fire marshall say about that?

If it's in a hospital, I gotta imagine it was cleared prior to installation.

 

[badmojo1006]

My prediction?

Not a God-Damn thing will happen because we have these circle jerk arguments

 

[shader]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

 

[Novice2]

So anyway...do you need some sort of permit to carry for tasers? Are there ones with certain amounts of juice that you're disallowed from carrying?

http://www.defenseproducts101.com/statestatutesummary_page2.htmlNot in CT. Look like all the Libby states prohibit there use for peasants.

 

[Joe T]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/man-attempts-to-open-fire-on-crowd-at-movie-theater-armed-off-duty-sheriffs-deputy-drops-him-with-one-bullet/

With one shot, an off-duty sheriff’s deputy took down a gunman who attempted to opened fire at a crowded movie theater lobby during a late night showing of “The Hobbit” in San Antonio, WOAI reports.Police say a gunman, identified as Jesus Manuel Garcia, chased patrons from the nearby China Garden Restaurant into the lobby of the Santikos Mayan 14 movie theater at around 9 p.m. on Sunday. Garcia, an employee of the restaurant, reportedly walked in the establishment looking for a woman.When the woman, also reportedly a restaurant employee, wasn’t there, Garcia pulled out a gun and attempted to open fire in the restaurant but his weapon jammed.“It started at the restaurant and then went into the parking lot and then into the movie theater,” Deputy Lou Antu told 1200 WOAI news.The commotion sent horrified restaurant patrons into the movie theater lobby, but the gunman followed. He again attempted to open fire, and this time his gun didn’t jam. Garcia reportedly shot one man in the chest before Antu says an off-duty sheriff’s deputy working security the theater shot him once, dropping him to the floor.Bexar County sheriff’s Sgt. Lisa Castellano reportedly chased the gunman toward the back of the theater. The 13-year department veteran cornered him after he ran into a men’s restroom and shot him before taking his gun.“The officer involved, she took the appropriate action to try to keep everyone safe in the movie theater,” Antu added.Due to the off-duty deputy’s bravery, the gunman was not able to make it into the theater where he could have potentially taken many lives.The gunman and the man he shot remain hospitalized, according to WOAI.Police say a recent breakup set off the man’s shooting spree on Sunday, MySanAntonio.com reports. Jesus Manuel Garcia, 19, an employee at a China Garden restaurant next to the Santikos Mayan Palace 14 theater, apparently became upset Sunday night after his girlfriend broke up with him. He lashed out by sending her a message saying he planned to go to the restaurant and “shoot somebody,” said Bexar County sheriff’s Sgt. Raymond Pollard. Pollard said the woman called to warn restaurant employees, but by the time she saw his message, Garcia was already outside the China Garden firing a Glock 23 at the front door about 9:25 p.m.If Garcia survives his attempt at mass murder, officials say he will likely face a charge of attempted capital murder as he allegedly shot at the San Antonia police car on Southwest Military Drive as he ran from the restaurant and into the theater.

A couple of things I find interesting. The off duty deputy was a woman. Really interested to see if this movie theater was a gun-free-zone.

Also interesting that Jesus Manuel Garcia worked at the China Garden.

 

[shader]

My prediction?Not a God-Damn thing will happen because we have these circle jerk arguments

Correct. I think the gun activists paid their respects by keeping quiet for a few days. Now they are out in full force. Sorry for your loss parents in CT, but we aren't giving up our hobbies!! We love guns and violence!

 

[Henry Ford]

The locking door things doesn't seem all that unreasonable. I don't know anything about what the cost would be or if there are drawbacks we haven't considered (fires, mischievous students, etc.)

Haven't gotten to the end of the thread so this may have already been covered....but our hospital has magnetic fire doors in the hallways. They auto close when a fire alarm goes off on the same floor and can be locked closed from a central location.Not sure how expensive it would be to install, but a metal door, wiring and some magnets will work.

What does the fire marshall say about that?

"Thank you for complying with laws requiring fire doors in hospitals."

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So anyway...do you need some sort of permit to carry for tasers? Are there ones with certain amounts of juice that you're disallowed from carrying?

http://www.defenseproducts101.com/statestatutesummary_page2.htmlNot in CT. Look like all the Libby states prohibit there use for peasants.

Hmmm. I was thinking about getting a permit to carry. Maybe I'll get one of these too/instead.

 

[Joe T]

Would an assault rifle ban fix the problem?

• According to Roth and Koper(Roth), (Impact Evaluation of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994, May 1996), "assault weapons are estimated to be involved in 1 to 7 percent of gun homicides". This is compared to about 80% for handguns.

You probably conclude from this that we shouldn't ban assault rifles. I conclude from this that we should, or at least allow states the freedom to, ban handguns.

Okay... and do you think an handgun ban would be effective? What is the effect of disarming the populace? One need only look at the fact that the vast majority of mass shootings take place in Gun Free Zones. Gun Free Zones = Helpless Victim Zones. That is why shooters choose them... target rich environments with no chance to defend themselves. Now we want to turn entire states into "Gun Free Zones"? IF you could flip some magic button that would make all the handguns disappear then sure.. let's do it. The problem is that's not grounded in reality. The whole "Outlaw guns will ensure only the outlaws have guns" is a cliche', but it's true. You will never get rid of all guns. The vast majority of guns used in violent crime are illegally procured. Look at the war on drugs... prohibition...etc. Americans don't like to have stuff taken away from them so it simply does NOT work.

So I honestly simply have to chuckle a bit when someone says "Let's get rid of guns".... because it's, frankly, foolish.

And it might be the dumbest idea ever.

 

[parasaurolophus]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

Wouldnt inflating the price lead to guns coming over the border and a bigger black market than there already is? Some money that is being spent now by law abiding citizens in a regulated trade would be diverted into an illegal trade that would now be way more profitable than it is now due to the new influx of money that didnt exist before.Best bet is to try and keep the guns priced where they are and tighten paperwork requirements a bit on the sellers.

 

[Blick]

I don't get the big push for the smaller magazine clip. This seems pretty ineffective to me.

1. It takes two seconds to switch in another clip. So, while someone in a school type situation may be slowed, it wouldn't be by much. They may also just carry more weapons.

2. I'm no master welder, but it seems to me a clip would be the easiest thing to fabricate myself if I wanted to hold more rounds. It's basically a metal case and a spring with a feeder at the top. You could slice off the bottom, add an extend piece and a bigger spring and you'd be ready to go I think.

Or is this whole thing just to get the ball rolling for greater restrictions when it inevitably fails?

Yes, we know. But that brief moment might give some people a chance to keep more six year olds from being executed. But forget that, there's a guy in Texas who thinks he needs the 30 bullet cartridge to defend his compound, so sorry six year old kid who never had a chance.And you think this kid would have gotten into welding custom clips for this gun? Please.

For the record, high capacity magazines are very unreliable and the majority of cases where you hear of a weapon "jamming" during a shooting spree is a result of this lack of reliable function. One could almost argue (with tongue at least partially in cheek) that high capacity magazines may have saved more lives than they've taken as a result of their buggy operation. Standard capacity magazines (which can be changed in less than 1 second by anyone with 30 minutes to practice), however, will almost never result in a spree-ending malfunction.

I'm not opposed to eliminating high-capacity mags... but that is some food for thought for any rational person.

But again.. making high-capacity magazines illegal will have little or no impact in stopping a motivated, law-ignoring person from procuring them, so you're really only keeping them out of the hands of law-abiding citizens for the most part.

When was the last time the 20 or 30 round magazine on your AR malfunctioned? My 20 round mags never have. 30, rarely.

 

[Apple Jack]

My prediction?Not a God-Damn thing will happen because we have these circle jerk arguments

Correct. I think the gun activists paid their respects by keeping quiet for a few days. Now they are out in full force. Sorry for your loss parents in CT, but we aren't giving up our hobbies!! We love guns and violence!

A guy I know went to see a presentation by a company soliciting his company's data storage business on Monday and the CEO walked into the meeting wearing an NRA hat.

 

[Henry Ford]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

Wouldnt inflating the price lead to guns coming over the border and a bigger black market than there already is? Some money that is being spent now by law abiding citizens in a regulated trade would be diverted into an illegal trade that would now be way more profitable than it is now due to the new influx of money that didnt exist before.Best bet is to try and keep the guns priced where they are and tighten paperwork requirements a bit on the sellers.

I think you have the "flow of guns across the borders" inverted, at least according to the data I've seen. The overwhelming majority of the time, U.S. guns get sent across the border to Mexico. Not from.