***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (3 Viewers)

[Mello]

My prediction?Not a God-Damn thing will happen because we have these circle jerk arguments

Correct. I think the gun activists paid their respects by keeping quiet for a few days. Now they are out in full force. Sorry for your loss parents in CT, but we aren't giving up our hobbies!! We love guns and violence!

A guy I know went to see a presentation by a company soliciting his company's data storage business on Monday and the CEO walked into the meeting wearing an NRA hat.

Seems like normal push back against people overreacting to this incident. I just wish these people would defend freedoms for others just as vehemently.

 

[ATC1]

So anyway...do you need some sort of permit to carry for tasers? Are there ones with certain amounts of juice that you're disallowed from carrying?

http://www.defenseproducts101.com/statestatutesummary_page2.htmlNot in CT. Look like all the Libby states prohibit there use for peasants.

Hmmm. I was thinking about getting a permit to carry. Maybe I'll get one of these too/instead.

I don't know how practical and or comfortable it will be to carry concealed. Better then nothing, but do research first as I'm sure you will.

 

[smotherhook]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

checked by the state govt for safety. lmao.

Absolutely. No illegal modifications, well taken care of, still in the possession of the owner. Just like a car.

cmon man. the less the govt is involved the better. some bean counter checking weapons for modifications is laughable. in addition, you would have to take two days off of work because the line would be so long

 

[Henry Ford]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

checked by the state govt for safety. lmao.

Absolutely. No illegal modifications, well taken care of, still in the possession of the owner. Just like a car.

cmon man. the less the govt is involved the better. some bean counter checking weapons for modifications is laughable. in addition, you would have to take two days off of work because the line would be so long

Over 90% of U.S. households have at least one vehicle. Most states require them to be inspected once every year or every two years. No one has to take two days off of work to do that.

 

[smotherhook]

My prediction?Not a God-Damn thing will happen because we have these circle jerk arguments

Correct. I think the gun activists paid their respects by keeping quiet for a few days. Now they are out in full force. Sorry for your loss parents in CT, but we aren't giving up our hobbies!! We love guns and violence!

dumb

 

[tommyboy]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

 

[Jobber]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

While I think we're in a sad state of affairs that anyone even considers a proposal like this, I agree.

 

[parasaurolophus]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

Wouldnt inflating the price lead to guns coming over the border and a bigger black market than there already is? Some money that is being spent now by law abiding citizens in a regulated trade would be diverted into an illegal trade that would now be way more profitable than it is now due to the new influx of money that didnt exist before.Best bet is to try and keep the guns priced where they are and tighten paperwork requirements a bit on the sellers.

I think you have the "flow of guns across the borders" inverted, at least according to the data I've seen. The overwhelming majority of the time, U.S. guns get sent across the border to Mexico. Not from.

guns arent 200k either so i am not sure how that matters.

 

[Henry Ford]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

 

[shader]

My prediction?Not a God-Damn thing will happen because we have these circle jerk arguments

Correct. I think the gun activists paid their respects by keeping quiet for a few days. Now they are out in full force. Sorry for your loss parents in CT, but we aren't giving up our hobbies!! We love guns and violence!

A guy I know went to see a presentation by a company soliciting his company's data storage business on Monday and the CEO walked into the meeting wearing an NRA hat.

Seems like normal push back against people overreacting to this incident. I just wish these people would defend freedoms for others just as vehemently.

Freedom!

 

[Blick]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

I don't even think it would need to be in the class room. In our school, the office overlooks the front door (only access into the school) you could keep them there, complete inexcessible from children.

 

[Jobber]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

This is a great start. A tazer and pepper spray in each classroom would be effective, if the teachers were trained. Perhaps yearly training prior to the start of each school year or something. Similar to what you do in the military and (probably) police departments.

 

[Henry Ford]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

Wouldnt inflating the price lead to guns coming over the border and a bigger black market than there already is? Some money that is being spent now by law abiding citizens in a regulated trade would be diverted into an illegal trade that would now be way more profitable than it is now due to the new influx of money that didnt exist before.Best bet is to try and keep the guns priced where they are and tighten paperwork requirements a bit on the sellers.

I think you have the "flow of guns across the borders" inverted, at least according to the data I've seen. The overwhelming majority of the time, U.S. guns get sent across the border to Mexico. Not from.

guns arent 200k either so i am not sure how that matters.

Because there's a huge drug war going on there. In fact, making them more expensive here would likely create a shortage of weapons for drug cartels on the other side of the border, making it pretty tough to get them to send those in this direction. Particularly given how few such weapons are manufactured in Mexico.

 

[ATC1]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

Guy(#1) outside my office not 2 minutes ago: "People that say we need to arm teachers with guns are asinine." Guy#2: "You ever fired a weapon?" Guy#1: "No, they are dangerous." Guy#2: "Remember when we went to lunch last Saturday?"Guy#1: "Yes"Guy#2: "I was carrying a weapon."Guy#1: Shuked.

 

[jonessed]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

Wouldnt inflating the price lead to guns coming over the border and a bigger black market than there already is? Some money that is being spent now by law abiding citizens in a regulated trade would be diverted into an illegal trade that would now be way more profitable than it is now due to the new influx of money that didnt exist before.Best bet is to try and keep the guns priced where they are and tighten paperwork requirements a bit on the sellers.

I think you have the "flow of guns across the borders" inverted, at least according to the data I've seen. The overwhelming majority of the time, U.S. guns get sent across the border to Mexico. Not from.

guns arent 200k either so i am not sure how that matters.

Because there's a huge drug war going on there. In fact, making them more expensive here would likely create a shortage of weapons for drug cartels on the other side of the border, making it pretty tough to get them to send those in this direction. Particularly given how few such weapons are manufactured in Mexico.

Because Mexican drug cartels are struggling financially?

 

[ATC1]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

ok, why?

 

[Henry Ford]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

This is a great start. A tazer and pepper spray in each classroom would be effective, if the teachers were trained. Perhaps yearly training prior to the start of each school year or something. Similar to what you do in the military and (probably) police departments.

I'm just fine with putting a taser next to a fire extinguisher. Break the glass, and the alarms go off.

 

[Henry Ford]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

Is 100 rounds excessive or not?

In the wrong hands, yes. Is a Ferrari excessive or not?

I have a feeling that if assault weapons cost $200,000.00 each, were required to be checked for safety every year by the State government and given a safety tag, required a renewable license with your picture on it every 2-4 years, and had to have liability insurance or subject you to criminal penalties and confiscation of your license, they would be involved in significantly less crimes.

Wouldnt inflating the price lead to guns coming over the border and a bigger black market than there already is? Some money that is being spent now by law abiding citizens in a regulated trade would be diverted into an illegal trade that would now be way more profitable than it is now due to the new influx of money that didnt exist before.Best bet is to try and keep the guns priced where they are and tighten paperwork requirements a bit on the sellers.

I think you have the "flow of guns across the borders" inverted, at least according to the data I've seen. The overwhelming majority of the time, U.S. guns get sent across the border to Mexico. Not from.

guns arent 200k either so i am not sure how that matters.

Because there's a huge drug war going on there. In fact, making them more expensive here would likely create a shortage of weapons for drug cartels on the other side of the border, making it pretty tough to get them to send those in this direction. Particularly given how few such weapons are manufactured in Mexico.

Because Mexican drug cartels are struggling financially?

No, because if they cost $200,000 each and were tightly regulated as discussed above, there would be a whole hell of a lot less of them made and lost track of.

 

[ATC1]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

This is a great start. A tazer and pepper spray in each classroom would be effective, if the teachers were trained. Perhaps yearly training prior to the start of each school year or something. Similar to what you do in the military and (probably) police departments.

I'm just fine with putting a taser next to a fire extinguisher. Break the glass, and the alarms go off.

Might as well not have them. Wait Mr. killer. Let me go break the glass and get my taser. Step one is cover.

 

[Henry Ford]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

This is a great start. A tazer and pepper spray in each classroom would be effective, if the teachers were trained. Perhaps yearly training prior to the start of each school year or something. Similar to what you do in the military and (probably) police departments.

I'm just fine with putting a taser next to a fire extinguisher. Break the glass, and the alarms go off.

Might as well not have them. Wait Mr. killer. Let me go break the glass and get my taser. Step one is cover.

I'm also fine with a teacher having it on him/her if it's well-secured. But it sounded like the posters I was discussing this with wanted it to be "available" like a fire extinguisher.

 

[butcher boy]

Putting guns in a classroom won't work. It would obviously have to be locked up, most likely in some sort of safe. And I'm not sure the next gunman will patiently wait for the teacher to unlock the safe, grab the gun, and remove the safety before shooting everyone up. In fact, if it's well known that the teachers have access to weapons, they will be the first target if they arent already.

 

[urbanhack]

High capacity magazines have been used in virtually EVERY high publicity mass shooting, from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Aurora to this one. The guy in Aurora had a 100 round magazine that fired 60 bullets per minute. (That's per USA Today). How can anyone think this is OK?

How can anyone think it is okay that cars can go over 70MPH? Virtually every accident caused by speeding could have been prevented.

:headexplode:

 

[smotherhook]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

This is a great start. A tazer and pepper spray in each classroom would be effective, if the teachers were trained. Perhaps yearly training prior to the start of each school year or something. Similar to what you do in the military and (probably) police departments.

a trained handler of tazers and pepper spray vs a deranged lunatic with an ar 15 would result in a dead trained handler of a tazer and pepper spray

 

[jonessed]

Because Mexican drug cartels are struggling financially?

No, because if they cost $200,000 each and were tightly regulated as discussed above, there would be a whole hell of a lot less of them made and lost track of.

We are talking about billionaire criminal organizations in a corrupt country. They would simply ship them in to South America and smuggle them up. Hell, they could probably ship them straight in to Mexico given how corrupt the governments are.

 

[timschochet]

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

JFC. Is this the price we have to pay in order to protect your rights to a high capacity magazine?I don't want ANY of this stuff. I want teachers paid to educate. Period.

 

[Henry Ford]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

This is a great start. A tazer and pepper spray in each classroom would be effective, if the teachers were trained. Perhaps yearly training prior to the start of each school year or something. Similar to what you do in the military and (probably) police departments.

a trained handler of tazers and pepper spray vs a deranged lunatic with an ar 15 would result in a dead trained handler of a tazer and pepper spray

Why? Is the ar-15 somehow worse than other kinds of guns in this situation?

 

[ATC1]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

This is a great start. A tazer and pepper spray in each classroom would be effective, if the teachers were trained. Perhaps yearly training prior to the start of each school year or something. Similar to what you do in the military and (probably) police departments.

I'm just fine with putting a taser next to a fire extinguisher. Break the glass, and the alarms go off.

Might as well not have them. Wait Mr. killer. Let me go break the glass and get my taser. Step one is cover.

I'm also fine with a teacher having it on him/her if it's well-secured. But it sounded like the posters I was discussing this with wanted it to be "available" like a fire extinguisher.

Taser in the open behind glass vs. concealed gun (could be with a safety) on the hip. Which one is more dangerous?

 

[ATC1]

Putting guns in a classroom won't work. It would obviously have to be locked up, most likely in some sort of safe. And I'm not sure the next gunman will patiently wait for the teacher to unlock the safe, grab the gun, and remove the safety before shooting everyone up. In fact, if it's well known that the teachers have access to weapons, they will be the first target if they arent already.

Why?

 

[Apple Jack]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

This is a great start. A tazer and pepper spray in each classroom would be effective, if the teachers were trained. Perhaps yearly training prior to the start of each school year or something. Similar to what you do in the military and (probably) police departments.

a trained handler of tazers and pepper spray vs a deranged lunatic with an ar 15 would result in a dead trained handler of a tazer and pepper spray

Why? Is the ar-15 somehow worse than other kinds of guns in this situation?

 

[Henry Ford]

Because Mexican drug cartels are struggling financially?

No, because if they cost $200,000 each and were tightly regulated as discussed above, there would be a whole hell of a lot less of them made and lost track of.

We are talking about billionaire criminal organizations in a corrupt country. They would simply ship them in to South America and smuggle them up. Hell, they could probably ship them straight in to Mexico given how corrupt the governments are.

And do you think they will then sell those guns back across the U.S. border for less than they paid for them?

 

[Apple Jack]

Silly hippies, these teachers would be strapped, yo!

 

[Schlzm]

Also- and this is meant more as a question and not an argument (at least not yet)- I keep reading that fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Yet these rifles that ARE legal can fire up to 60 bullets per minute??? Am I missing something here, or is the legal difference between automatic and semi-automatic rather negligible?

automatic weapons are not illegal to own in some states

Depending on the state you live in you may be able to purchase a grenade launcher, flame thrower or .50cal belt fed machine gun. Also to answer Tim and anyone else in this thread whose entire firearms knowledge has been gained from tv, movies and video games, 60rpm is pretty slow. Here is some tech data to educate you on the differences between rate of fire:AR-15 (.223cal) semi-auto estimated at ~60rpm (accurate) requiring one 30rnd mag change.M-4A1 (5.56NATO) full-auto listed at 700-950rpm (inaccurate) requiring multiple 30rnd mag changes.Glock 17 (9x19mm) semi-auto estimated at ~40rpm (accurate) requiring a variable number of mag changes. (different mag sizes available)Glock 18 (9x19mm) full-auto listed at 1,100-1,200rpm (inaccurate) requiring a variable number of mag changes. (different mag sizes available)Schlzm

 

[timschochet]

This discussion has gone completely off the rails. We're not going to start arming public schoolteachers. Or train them in martial arts. Or give them tasers. Some of you have gone off the deep end.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Putting guns in a classroom won't work. It would obviously have to be locked up, most likely in some sort of safe. And I'm not sure the next gunman will patiently wait for the teacher to unlock the safe, grab the gun, and remove the safety before shooting everyone up. In fact, if it's well known that the teachers have access to weapons, they will be the first target if they arent already.

Why?

This is where the pro-gun side loses those of us who are on the fence. For Christ's sake, just act slightly less insane.

 

[jonessed]

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

JFC. Is this the price we have to pay in order to protect your rights to a high capacity magazine?I don't want ANY of this stuff. I want teachers paid to educate. Period.

I agree. School shooting are very, very rare. If the objective is to reduce gun-related deaths then this is going to have little to no impact. This kind of thinking is why we all take our shoes off at the airport.The only thing that might make sense is to put a taser in the office and train the office staff. It limits the cost and puts the taser in a central location that kids don't have access to.

 

[ATC1]

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

JFC. Is this the price we have to pay in order to protect your rights to a high capacity magazine?I don't want ANY of this stuff. I want teachers paid to educate. Period.

Not to protect our rights. Point was it was a cheaper more effective way to protect the innocent. I'm sure teachers can educate and learn self defense at the same time.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

This discussion has gone completely off the rails. We're not going to start arming public schoolteachers. Or train them in martial arts. Or give them tasers. Some of you have gone off the deep end.

I think all schools should have sharks with laser beams on their heads.

 

[smotherhook]

How about metal, lockable doors so at the very least wackos can't get into classrooms?

I think this is a great idea. Relatively inexpensive solution that enables schools to "Lock down" in the event of something like Connecticut in the future. This would severely limit casualties going forward.

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

I think making self-defense options available for teachers is a reasonable position, but I'm only in favor of so-called "non-lethal" options. Pepper spray, tasers, stun guns, etc. Putting a gun in a classroom crosses the line into "poor idea" in my opinion.

This is a great start. A tazer and pepper spray in each classroom would be effective, if the teachers were trained. Perhaps yearly training prior to the start of each school year or something. Similar to what you do in the military and (probably) police departments.

a trained handler of tazers and pepper spray vs a deranged lunatic with an ar 15 would result in a dead trained handler of a tazer and pepper spray

Why? Is the ar-15 somehow worse than other kinds of guns in this situation?

no you can put in the following weapons and still have a dead trained pepper sprayer. dragunov psl 7.62 x 55 mm, norinco sks, ruger 10-22, browning 9 mm high power, ect. ect. ect. guns > taser > pepper spray.

 

[timschochet]

Also- and this is meant more as a question and not an argument (at least not yet)- I keep reading that fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Yet these rifles that ARE legal can fire up to 60 bullets per minute??? Am I missing something here, or is the legal difference between automatic and semi-automatic rather negligible?

automatic weapons are not illegal to own in some states

Depending on the state you live in you may be able to purchase a grenade launcher, flame thrower or .50cal belt fed machine gun. Also to answer Tim and anyone else in this thread whose entire firearms knowledge has been gained from tv, movies and video games, 60rpm is pretty slow. Here is some tech data to educate you on the differences between rate of fire:AR-15 (.223cal) semi-auto estimated at ~60rpm (accurate) requiring one 30rnd mag change.

M-4A1 (5.56NATO) full-auto listed at 700-950rpm (inaccurate) requiring multiple 30rnd mag changes.

Glock 17 (9x19mm) semi-auto estimated at ~40rpm (accurate) requiring a variable number of mag changes. (different mag sizes available)

Glock 18 (9x19mm) full-auto listed at 1,100-1,200rpm (inaccurate) requiring a variable number of mag changes. (different mag sizes available)

Schlzm

Thanks for the info.I did not realize the heavy rate of fire.

In that case, perhaps all of these weapons should be illegal. I know it's not going to happen, but perhaps they should be. I fail to see what purpose they serve, other than personal pleasure of the owner, and to me that's not enough to justify their existence against the threat to public safety that their availability entails. I have tried to stay moderate on this subject, but your information is forcing me into an extreme position.

 

[Schlzm]

Because Mexican drug cartels are struggling financially?

No, because if they cost $200,000 each and were tightly regulated as discussed above, there would be a whole hell of a lot less of them made and lost track of.

We are talking about billionaire criminal organizations in a corrupt country. They would simply ship them in to South America and smuggle them up. Hell, they could probably ship them straight in to Mexico given how corrupt the governments are.

And do you think they will then sell those guns back across the U.S. border for less than they paid for them?

You are aware that there are a huge number of other countries on this ####ty rock we call home that manufacture their own weapons for a fraction of the price done here in the US right? That thanks to the cold war and the former soviet states that the cartels can purchase a fully automatic AK-47, RPK or PKM for little more than the cost of an AR-15semi from here in the US? Jacking up the prices here would only hurt the responsible purchasers.Schlzm

 

[Abraham]

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

JFC. Is this the price we have to pay in order to protect your rights to a high capacity magazine?I don't want ANY of this stuff. I want teachers paid to educate. Period.

Not to protect our rights. Point was it was a cheaper more effective way to protect the innocent. I'm sure teachers can educate and learn self defense at the same time.

It's cheaper to train teachers in judo than it is to outlaw large magazines? Interesting.

 

[ATC1]

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be

-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.

-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.

-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

JFC. Is this the price we have to pay in order to protect your rights to a high capacity magazine?I don't want ANY of this stuff. I want teachers paid to educate. Period.

I agree. School shooting are very, very rare. If the objective is to reduce gun-related deaths then this is going to have little to no impact. This kind of thinking is why we all take our shoes off at the airport.The only thing that might make sense is to put a taser in the office and train the office staff. It limits the cost and puts the taser in a central location that kids don't have access to.

Schools? Yes, but include movie theaters, privately owned bussinesses, federal buildings, some malls. (All gun free zones). Kids won't have access to a concealed taser (at the very least).

 

[badmojo1006]

This discussion has gone completely off the rails. We're not going to start arming public schoolteachers. Or train them in martial arts. Or give them tasers. Some of you have gone off the deep end.

I think all schools should have sharks with laser beams on their heads.

I can agree with this

 

[ATC1]

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

JFC. Is this the price we have to pay in order to protect your rights to a high capacity magazine?I don't want ANY of this stuff. I want teachers paid to educate. Period.

Not to protect our rights. Point was it was a cheaper more effective way to protect the innocent. I'm sure teachers can educate and learn self defense at the same time.

It's cheaper to train teachers in judo than it is to outlaw large magazines? Interesting.

JFC's response was too automatic locked doors not magazine capacity.

 

[sporthenry]

This discussion has gone completely off the rails. We're not going to start arming public schoolteachers. Or train them in martial arts. Or give them tasers. Some of you have gone off the deep end.

I think all schools should have sharks with laser beams on their heads.

Sorry, we could only get sea bass with laser beams. Damn libs put sharks on the endangered species list.

 

[jonessed]

Because Mexican drug cartels are struggling financially?

No, because if they cost $200,000 each and were tightly regulated as discussed above, there would be a whole hell of a lot less of them made and lost track of.

We are talking about billionaire criminal organizations in a corrupt country. They would simply ship them in to South America and smuggle them up. Hell, they could probably ship them straight in to Mexico given how corrupt the governments are.

And do you think they will then sell those guns back across the U.S. border for less than they paid for them?

Probably not, but I don't see why a mark-up on a foreign-made weapon would deter a criminal looking for a gun.Was making weapons cost $200K a serious proposal?

 

[jonessed]

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be

-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.

-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.

-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

JFC. Is this the price we have to pay in order to protect your rights to a high capacity magazine?I don't want ANY of this stuff. I want teachers paid to educate. Period.

I agree. School shooting are very, very rare. If the objective is to reduce gun-related deaths then this is going to have little to no impact. This kind of thinking is why we all take our shoes off at the airport.The only thing that might make sense is to put a taser in the office and train the office staff. It limits the cost and puts the taser in a central location that kids don't have access to.

Schools? Yes, but include movie theaters, privately owned bussinesses, federal buildings, some malls. (All gun free zones). Kids won't have access to a concealed taser (at the very least).

I don't want the people serving me popcorn at AMC to have access to sharp objects, much less a tazer.

 

[ATC1]

Putting guns in a classroom won't work. It would obviously have to be locked up, most likely in some sort of safe. And I'm not sure the next gunman will patiently wait for the teacher to unlock the safe, grab the gun, and remove the safety before shooting everyone up. In fact, if it's well known that the teachers have access to weapons, they will be the first target if they arent already.

Why?

This is where the pro-gun side loses those of us who are on the fence. For Christ's sake, just act slightly less insane.

Main focus was because teachers can not be trusted? Or a kid may grab the weapon? I have not heard of a situation where someone went behind a person carrying concealed, grabbed the gun and shot. Guns don't just fall off people's hips. Why are they considered dangerous concealed?

 

[butcher boy]

Putting guns in a classroom won't work. It would obviously have to be locked up, most likely in some sort of safe. And I'm not sure the next gunman will patiently wait for the teacher to unlock the safe, grab the gun, and remove the safety before shooting everyone up. In fact, if it's well known that the teachers have access to weapons, they will be the first target if they arent already.

Why?

Are you seriously questioning that? You would send your kid to an armed classroom where said firearm wasn't very well secured?

 

[ATC1]

some other relatively inexpensive and simple solutions would be

-have a few trained teachers/admin be first responders that carry.

-each classroom has a stun grenade/pepper spray/mace available for emergency use, like a fire extinguisher.

-allow and encourage all teachers/staff to carry and be trained in self defense.

JFC. Is this the price we have to pay in order to protect your rights to a high capacity magazine?I don't want ANY of this stuff. I want teachers paid to educate. Period.

I agree. School shooting are very, very rare. If the objective is to reduce gun-related deaths then this is going to have little to no impact. This kind of thinking is why we all take our shoes off at the airport.The only thing that might make sense is to put a taser in the office and train the office staff. It limits the cost and puts the taser in a central location that kids don't have access to.

Schools? Yes, but include movie theaters, privately owned bussinesses, federal buildings, some malls. (All gun free zones). Kids won't have access to a concealed taser (at the very least).

I don't want the people serving me popcorn at AMC to have access to sharp objects, much less a tazer.

Because they can not be trusted with it? Eventough they are trained in how to use it, safety, passed mental screenings and background checks and you are not even aware if they have it or not?