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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (9 Viewers)

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timschochet said:
Hillary thanked George W. Bush today for defying other Republicans and giving New York City 20 million in federal funds after 9/11. She added, "I have no time for partisan politicians." 
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I'm amazed she got federal funds for 9-11. No other politician could ever have secured funding after the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor. How did she do it?

 
tommyGunZ said:
This post was literally the next post after someone directly quoted Hillary saying "it was a mistake".  

Keep that narrative rolling, facts be damned!  
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It was a mistake because she was found out and it caused her trouble.

Pres. Obama said she was :"careless,", she won't even concede that.

 
Liberal here.

So people who support Hillary...you do know your support for Hillary seems to echo a cult of personality movement, right? Not trolling here. I'll show my work.

Point 1: Campaign Slogan:

Ready for Hillary (The campaign is about me. Think about me. Not my philosophical direction or a specific approach. You're ready for ME)

It's not like "A Future to Believe In' like Bernie or "Make America Great Again" like Trump. It's about her.

Red Flag #1

Point 2: Twitter Tag

Her Twitter tag: #imwithher

Again, it's not about anything specific to a goal, approach or ideal. It's about Hillary. At least with #feelthebern, there's a comedy aspect to a play on his name and it connotes someone feeling energized. And it looks like Trump doesn't have that because he doesn't want to engage in that type of troubling politics.

Red Flag #2

Point 3: Why President?

Why is Hillary running for president? What is her specific vision? Goals? Plans? I'll try and do research and help her.

A. Hillary is running because she wants "results" not insults.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-running-for-president-about-delivering-results-not-insults/

Huh? It sounds like she's running...because Trump is running? But she was running before he ever announced. Let's try another.

B. Hillary wants us to be her champion.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-running-president-2016/story?id=30249640

When Hillary announced, her twitter announcement read as follows "I'm running for president. Everyday Americans need a champion, and I want to be that champion."

So she wants us to root for her to be our leader...to be our leader? She's essentially saying the champions in our life don't exist, and she should be "the champion of our lives". (Red Flag #3 is warming up)

C. Hillary will let us know.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-speech-preview-20150611-story.html

Wait what? It's April 8th and now she's going to tell us? What the hell!? 

Red Flag #3

I mean, Hillary doesn't even have a specific vision for America or even anything. It's just about her. It's a classic case of a cult of personality! I'm not even angry, she does such a good job at it that the Hillary supporters don't even know it's happening. And this concerns me because her supporters have been unwittingly sucked into rooting for a candidate who is the worst on social issues, racial pr in the African-American and Hispanic-American communities, gender equality, war, the poor, and other issues. For the non-Hillary supporters here, what can we do to help these people?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Hey remember that time there was a major nominee who had once been fingerprinted by the FBI?

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/05/us/hillary-clinton-s-fingerprints-among-those-found-on-papers.html
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Agreed. A presidential candidate under federal investigation for things that have gotten other people imprisoned is an automatic disqualification. There really doesn't need to be much conversation after this.

Oh wait, Hillary is under 3-4 federal investigations.

Is this Venezuela? How are people voting for Hillary? What's going on? Crooked Hillary should drop out and at least let an honourable person like Bernie be the nominee. 

 
msommer said:
le  AAAllIwannadoismakelovetoTrump is an interesting aloas at least. Someone has a lot of time on his hands
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Longtime lurker and strong liberal. I couldn't take Fraudulent Regressives like Tim and Koya patting themselves on the head while they support a candidate that butchered 250,000 Iraqi Muslims. So I'm gonna be around now.

 
AAAll-Stars said:
Longtime lurker and strong liberal. I couldn't take Fraudulent Regressives like Tim and Koya patting themselves on the head while they support a candidate that butchered 250,000 Iraqi Muslims. So I'm gonna be around now.
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So now Hillary is a mass murderer? And here I thought Vince Foster was a one time deal. 

 
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timschochet said:
And a "strong liberal" who supports Donald Trump is, I dunno, kind of like a gay homophobe or a Jewish Nazi. 
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Trump is better for African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Women, and Unions then Hillary Clinton. I have done the research and it's all here.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/742411-official-build-the-wall-thread/?do=findComment&comment=19035510

Please cite how I'm wrong. I'm sure what I've researched is not perfect, so any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. You've posted enough here so I'm sure you can just copy/paste responses. It will be easy.

Thanks bud.

 
proninja said:
Someone who self describes as a liberal and supports Trump is either really confused about Trump or what a liberal is. Either way, enough for me to tldr his posts. 
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But I thought everyone said Trump was a liberal? Is Trump a hardcore conservative now?

 
timschochet said:
It's not worth responding to. Just repeats a lot of nonsense. 
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Time to pull a Chris Chrstie/Marco Rubio on you. Sorry I have to do this.

You see, everybody, I want the people at home to think about this. That is what The Free For All does. The drive by shot at the beginning with incorrect and incomplete information and then the memorized 25 second post that is exactly what the voices in his head told him to write. See Tim, the thing is this. When you're a Great Poster in the FFA, when you're someone who researches their stance, the memorized 30 second post where you talk about how racist Trump is but don't provide sources. Doesn't solve one problem for one person. They expect you to provide analysis. They expect you to give them new perspective. And when the worst things a presidential candidate can be accused of is claimed, they expect you CITE YOUR SOURCES, which is what I've done. None of that stuff happens on the floor of FFA Great Poster Hall of Fame. It's a fine job, I'm glad you think you can Vinny Testaverde your way in, but it does not prepare you posters like me.

Cite your sources or I will Jeb! the daylights out of you.

 
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dfsguy said:
But I thought everyone said Trump was a liberal? Is Trump a hardcore conservative now?
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Trump is a real estate tycoon, a self promoter extraordinaire, and an celebrity.   I doubt he spent much time thinking, reading, or discussing politics in any depth until this year, and as a result his political positions are inconsistent and sometimes contradictory.    I think it's nonsense to label him a liberal or a hardcore conservative; the labeling seems like a standard attempt to discredit him and alienate the voters from him.

He has been mostly consistent on nationalist/protectionist issues, although those positions don't fit his statements and actions prior to this campaign.   Nationalism/protectionism issues generally have been opposed by Democrats, and ignored or given weak support by the GOP.   

 
AAAll-Stars said:
Liberal here.

So people who support Hillary...you do know your support for Hillary seems to echo a cult of personality movement, right? Not trolling here. I'll show my work.

Point 1: Campaign Slogan

It's not like "A Future to Believe In' like Bernie or "Make America Great Again" like Trump. It's about her.
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1. Liberal my ###. You are a Trump supporters. True liberals support Bernie. 

2. Cult describes Trump supporters, not Hillary supporters. And I can't stand Hillary. 

3. Don't insult Bernie's good name by comparing his legitimate campaign slogan to that of a self-serving xenophobic bigot like Trump.

4. You didn't show any real work. 

5. Because of number 4,  I'll let everyone make their own minds up about whether you are a troll. 

 
msommer said:
le  AAAllIwannadoismakelovetoTrump is an interesting aloas at least. Someone has a lot of time on his hands
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:lol:

He is one of the regular Trump supporters. They are bitter about Trump threads being locked and after trying many times to derail other threads, they are now sending their alias troll. Easy to see. 

 
AAAll-Stars said:
Trump is better for African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Women, and Unions then Hillary Clinton. I have done the research and it's all here.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/742411-official-build-the-wall-thread/?do=findComment&comment=19035510

Please cite how I'm wrong. I'm sure what I've researched is not perfect, so any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. You've posted enough here so I'm sure you can just copy/paste responses. It will be easy.

Thanks bud.
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You call that garbage "research"?  :lol:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
 



- As usual, Grandma is right on top of current events.
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Other notable women presidents in South America: Christina Fernandez Kirschner, former president of Argentina, likely had a state prosecutor killed the night before he was to indict her in an oil for hush scandal. I believe the official investigation called it a "suicide"

In fairness Chile's former and current president Michelle Bachelet is AFAIK pure as the driven snow

 
msommer said:
Other notable women presidents in South America: Christina Fernandez Kirschner, former president of Argentina, likely had a state prosecutor killed the night before he was to indict her in an oil for hush scandal. I believe the official investigation called it a "suicide"

In fairness Chile's former and current president Michelle Bachelet is AFAIK pure as the driven snow
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They are just following the example of Hillary. :shrug: . 

 
The Future Champs said:
Trump is a real estate tycoon, a self promoter extraordinaire, and an celebrity.   I doubt he spent much time thinking, reading, or discussing politics in any depth until this year, and as a result his political positions are inconsistent and sometimes contradictory.    I think it's nonsense to label him a liberal or a hardcore conservative; the labeling seems like a standard attempt to discredit him and alienate the voters from him.

He has been mostly consistent on nationalist/protectionist issues, although those positions don't fit his statements and actions prior to this campaign.   Nationalism/protectionism issues generally have been opposed by Democrats, and ignored or given weak support by the GOP.   
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Unfortunately you are incorrect. Trump had been a integral part of the Reform party(Ross Perot)  since the early 90's. He wrote a book in 2000 titled The America We Deserve in which he outlines his plan for when he becomes president. Also Technically this is he second or third (depending on criteria) run for the presidency. 

A good bit of the contradiction you are seeing is because Trump has basically been forced to adopt some Republican ideals in order to run under the R flag but he is essentially running the reform party platform, which in my opinion takes the best elements out of the D and R and puts them together. To Trump the governments job is to protect Americans make sure it is a even playing field and fix the roads.

 
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msommer said:
Other notable women presidents in South America: Christina Fernandez Kirschner, former president of Argentina, likely had a state prosecutor killed the night before he was to indict her in an oil for hush scandal. I believe the official investigation called it a "suicide"

In fairness Chile's former and current president Michelle Bachelet is AFAIK pure as the driven snow
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There used to be, maybe still is, this perception of female politicians in the US as almost inherently being reformers. I think that's a carryover from the old days when women were often at the forefront of morality and reform movements when they were largely blocked out of politics. For whatever (ahem obvious) reason that sheen has never lighted upon Hillary.

 
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timschochet said:
Why a millennial Latina is for Hillary and excited about it: 

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/why-hillary-clinton-thrills-the-hell-out-of-me_b_9721434.html
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I’m a Latina millennial and I’m sick of being told I’m not a feminist because I won’t vote for Hillary Clinton.

... That said, I’m 100 percent in agreement with writer Glenn Greenwald when he states that the “Bernie bros” myth is a convenient establishment tool used to discredit Sanders and his supporters. (I mean, really, do Paul Krugman and company honestly believe we’re going to buy that Sanders supporters are all sexist pigs or that the economist himself isn’t a bro, as Greenwald points out, or that conservatives and others aren’t among those attacking Clinton?) I am far from a bro, but, I’m proud to admit, I certainly “feel the Bern.”

... Then I learned that the financial crisis, which many argue was directly caused by Bill Clinton’s push to deregulate banks, disproportionately affected blacks and Latinos with a college education. And no, Hillary is not Bill, I’m aware, but the speaking fees she’s received from banks and the advisers she surrounds herself with indicate to me she’d be no different. To me she has always seemed a bit bemused by the idea that so many Americans are disgusted by “banksters,” since these are people she calls her friends.

...

And there is Sanders’ stand against war. My first boyfriend was a young man from Oklahoma who, as I went off to college, enlisted in the Army because he wanted the benefits of the GI Bill and couldn’t afford a higher education otherwise. He made it out of Iraq and Afghanistan alive but with deep physical and psychological wounds that made it impossible for him to sit through the accounting classes he’d hoped to take.

I have plenty of other reasons to back Sanders, but right now the most meaningful to me is this: He is promising to help build the kind of nation I have for a long time dreamed America could become. For the first time since I’ve been old enough to vote, I’ve registered as a Democrat just so I could vote in my upcoming state primary. And I did something else I never thought I’d do: I donated money to a campaign, one that I believe will not only represent but fight for the rights and needs of the many over the few.

I study feminism in my Ph.D. program and often hear acquaintances call me “radical,” a “man-hater.” I can’t tell you how tired I am of these labels, but I’m far more outraged by feminists who try to discredit me or send me to hell for my lack of support for Clinton. They want me to vote for a woman who stopped believing in universal health care the minute she received a hefty sum from the health care industry, who as secretary of state was responsible for the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of women and children in the Middle East, who’s in bed with the billionaire bankers, as Elizabeth Warren would say, and who will not make the struggling 99 percent of Americans her priority.

I want a woman president of the United States of America, and I will fight like hell to see that day. But it is not here yet. That president is not Hillary Clinton.
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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/no_i_wont_vote_for_hillary_clinton_millennial_feminist_20160211

 
timschochet said:
Why a millennial Latina is for Hillary and excited about it: 

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/why-hillary-clinton-thrills-the-hell-out-of-me_b_9721434.html
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There is a view, often expressed on my social media feeds, which maintains that I am voting for Hillary Clinton because I’m a stupid, uninformed, misguided feminist who only knows how to vote with her ignorant ######. While this may be possible,
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Finally an explanation why Tim is voting for Hillary.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Former NY Senator & grandma clueless & confused about bill to authorize lawsuits about 9/11/01 attacks.

Former employee confounded that she can be that out if it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7c9NUcY5JA4&ebc=ANyPxKrcaFlH4D7Qz018CHG2J354S-Rdbo34Ue1P58liZSm4l2eizsKnteNaRGkZflESgJAXphditKQuZJWNLY-FZJgxXk_p4g
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Clinton's foundation got millions from Saudis....


Former President Clinton published a list of donors to his foundation Thursday to help clear the way for his wife to become secretary of state.  ...

The donations to the William J. Clinton Foundation include amounts of $10 million to $25 million from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,

... The governments of Kuwait and Qatar are also on the list, as is Saudi businessman Nasser Al-Rashid, who has close ties to the Saudi royal family. Saudi Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi, reputed to be one of the richest men in the world, is among the donors as well. Both Saudis contributed in the $1 million to $5 million range. A group called Friends of Saudi Arabia and the Dubai Foundation appear in the same category.

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/18/clinton.donations/index.html

- 12/18/08

 
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Obama's latest defense of Clinton has lawyers cringing


... "There's stuff that is really top secret, top secret, and there's stuff that is being presented to the president or the secretary of state that you might not want on the transom, or going out over the wire, but is basically stuff that you could get in open source," Obama told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday."

National security lawyers collectively cringed, arguing that criminal charges for mishandling classified material usually are not based on whether a document is "confidential," "secret" or "top secret."

"If you were to make this case in court, you would be laughed out of the room," Bradley Moss, a lawyer who represents clients accused of mishandling classified material, told the Washington Examiner. "It's either classified or it's not ... Classified is classified and you're required to maintain it. You don't get to make that decision."

If you tried to make that argument in court, the judge would use it as further evidence of your poor judgment," he added.

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Greg Greiner, a partner at Tully Rinckey who specializes in security clearance cases, is giving Obama the benefit of the doubt as he struggles to publicly discuss the different levels of classified information and the laws surrounding how it is handled.

But, he said, he has so many clients who have lost their security clearances and their jobs over inadvertent mishandling of classified material that Obama should be clear about what kind of message he's sending.

"He runs the military and is in charge of all the executive branch intelligence agencies," Greiner said. "... I think judges that enforce the national security rules get a little frustrated when the president diminishes that piece of the national security apparatus, intentionally or unintentionally." ...
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obamas-latest-defense-of-clinton-has-lawyers-cringing/article/2588417#.VxT1sbVU67w.twitter

 
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The Commish said:
Can't we all generally agree that this is probably more attributed to the "fear" element being peddled because of her potential GOP opponent?  Seems like to be a HUGE factor here and on the internet.  If I had a nickel for every time someone brought up SC justice elections, starting nuclear war, "setting the country back 30 years" (I don't even know what that means honestly), I'd be relaxing on some island I purchased with all those nickels.  
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To be fair, when I mentioned nuclear war, I wasn't really counting this as a positive for Hillary, who warhawkish ways terriffy me.

 
Loan Sharks said:
Unfortunately you are incorrect. Trump had been a integral part of the Reform party(Ross Perot)  since the early 90's. He wrote a book in 2000 titled The America We Deserve in which he outlines his plan for when he becomes president. Also Technically this is he second or third (depending on criteria) run for the presidency. 
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Considering how long Trump has been around politics, it's alarming how little he knows. As much as I can't stand Hillary, at least she has a clue. Trump certainly doesn't.

 
Rubiobot said:
Considering how long Trump has been around politics, it's alarming how little he knows. As much as I can't stand Hillary, at least she has a clue. Trump certainly doesn't.
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Trump needed some more seasoning before attempting this.  Should have gotten Jeb to appoint him Secretary of deFence.

 
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