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From Fox News: 

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/04/16/experts-cast-doubt-hillary-indictment

Don't expect an indictment of Hillary Clinton anytime soon, according to experts. Recommendations by the FBI to indict a person over the mishandling of classified information usually come only as a result of the most flagrant violations of law, a Monday report said.

If you look at the history of what they pursued, you really had to have a slam-bam case that met all the elements," one former senior FBI official said for the report in Politico. Of 30 cases in which investigators recommended a misdemeanor charge for mishandling classified information between 2011 and 2015, prosecutors pursued charges in just six.

Those dynamics suggest that in order to recommend an indictment for Clinton over the more than 2,100 classified messages she stored on a private server as secretary of state, the FBI will likely need to discover relatively sensational violations of the law.

Cases that are prosecuted, one former federal prosecutor said, "always involve some 'plus' factor. Sometimes that 'plus' factor may reach its way into the public record, but more likely it won't."
Gotta love that story about Berger.

He steals classified documents from the National Archives - Clinton administration memos on terrorism was it?

http://fas.org/irp/congress/2007_rpt/berger.pdf

 
Oh she is not.

You have spent the last two years in this thread, and before that the Benghazi thread, trying to come up with evidence of Hillary's supposed corruption. You have posted every rumor, every report, every piece of half evidence or suggested evidence or loose tie to evidence. Your links have been exhaustive. And the sum total of what you've come up with is...NOTHING. There is no evidence that Hillary is corrupt at all. And to claim that she is more corrupt than the list of crooked politicians that we've had since Harding- it's absurd. 
The Rich story is well established.

DeSmog blog detailed the energy industry  connections.

Here's another one. - how did Hillary get enough that Wal Mart stock to land on their BOD when her husband was regulating them as governor.

You asked - that's three right off the top.

 
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The Rich story is well established.

DeSmog blog detailed the energy industry  connections.

Here's another one. - how did Hillary get enough that Wal Mart stock to land on their BOD when her husband was regulating them as governor.

You asked - that's three right off the top.
The Rich story is "well established"- that's not the same as proven. As I recall, Bill wrote an Op-Ed defending it. In any case, that's Bill, not her. 

As for the other stuff, I'm not going to wade backwards 30 years looking for examples of corruption. You, among others, have made the charge that:

1. She lied about Benghazi.

2. She traded political favors in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation and corporate speeches. 

3. She engaged in criminal activity as Secretary of State with her private email server. 

These 3 are all recent corruption charges and therefore, IMO, relevant to this campaign. And there's been no proof of any of it. 

 
The Rich story is "well established"- that's not the same as proven. As I recall, Bill wrote an Op-Ed defending it. In any case, that's Bill, not her. 

As for the other stuff, I'm not going to wade backwards 30 years looking for examples of corruption. You, among others, have made the charge that:
Let's stick with your specific question.

Here's a fourth - Hillary represented Madison Guaranty which was also regulated by her husband. She procured loans which helped lead to its crash.

5. Tyson, regulated by her husband, paid Hillary as lawyer and in magic futures tips, Tyson ran wild in the state and caused terrible environmental damage.

More?

 
But of course there is no quid pro quo – that has never been the prime criticism of wealthy individuals using their vast resources to “buy” elections, push candidates in one direction, or influence office holders in much more subtle and nuanced ways than outright bribery.
Right, it's called "Pay to Play", and it's maybe the most important point to make.

 
The Rich story is "well established"- that's not the same as proven. As I recall, Bill wrote an Op-Ed defending it. In any case, that's Bill, not her. 

As for the other stuff, I'm not going to wade backwards 30 years looking for examples of corruption. You, among others, have made the charge that:

1. She lied about Benghazi.

2. She traded political favors in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation and corporate speeches. 

3. She engaged in criminal activity as Secretary of State with her private email server. 

These 3 are all recent corruption charges and therefore, IMO, relevant to this campaign. And there's been no proof of any of it. 
1 - http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/14/new-documents-prove-hillary-told-conflicting-stories-about-benghazi-video/

2- http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/oil-companies-donated-clinton-foundation-while-lobbying-state-department-2348832

3- TBD

 
Tim, give it up, you're not going to change Saints or any of the hard core Hillary haters minds.  People who aren't in fantasy land know that this race has been over for awhile now, and more will sober up after tomorrow.  

3 months from now virtually all these folks will be on board supporting Hillary. There will be a couple of clowns who will refuse to get on board, but that type of childishness will be rare.  

Be satisfied with being right tim. 

 
Let's stick with your specific question.

Here's a fourth - Hillary represented Madison Guaranty which was also regulated by her husband. She procured loans which helped lead to its crash.

5. Tyson, regulated by her husband, paid Hillary as lawyer and in magic futures tips, Tyson ran wild in the state and caused terrible environmental damage.

More?
Saints, are you advocating that spouses cannot work in the same state as elected officials?

Because lawyers sometimes represent companies, and often they prefer to do it close to where they live.

ETA I think I got the thread right this time

 
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Tim, give it up, you're not going to change Saints or any of the hard core Hillary haters minds.  People who aren't in fantasy land know that this race has been over for awhile now, and more will sober up after tomorrow.  

3 months from now virtually all these folks will be on board supporting Hillary. There will be a couple of clowns who will refuse to get on board, but that type of childishness will be rare.  

Be satisfied with being right tim. 
I never have been.  :P

 
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Saints, are you advocating that spouses cannot work in the same state as elected officials?

Because lawyers sometimes represent companies, and often they prefer to do it close to where they live.


No, of course. Note I think that spouses of elected officials have the right to work whenever or however they like.... except if the spouse is getting paid by a company with business before the governmental entity the official is working for.

Obvious example would be a garbage company with a city contract, it would be simple to hire a mayor's wife (or husband) for instance and perhaps give land to their non-profit. The mayor in that situation actually receives that money himself through the community and the non-profit can pay a salary or give other benefits to the spouse. Not hard to figure out where influence would come into play.

 
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Tim, give it up, you're not going to change Saints or any of the hard core Hillary haters minds.  People who aren't in fantasy land know that this race has been over for awhile now, and more will sober up after tomorrow.  

3 months from now virtually all these folks will be on board supporting Hillary. There will be a couple of clowns who will refuse to get on board, but that type of childishness will be rare.  

Be satisfied with being right tim. 
Yes, be satisfied in winning and perpetuating corrupt politicians and our broken system. It's all about winning afterall. To hell with the consequences. A great message for our youth. Bunch of stupid idealists.

 
Yes, be satisfied in winning and perpetuating corrupt politicians and our broken system. It's all about winning afterall. To hell with the consequences. A great message for our youth. Bunch of stupid idealists.
Actually, a lot of the reasons I'm for Hillary is because I am an idealist. I want the Supreme Court to take a liberal turn. I want amnesty for illegal immigrants. I want something done about climate change. I want institutionalized racism in our police forces to end. I want early childhood education to be stressed. I want our infrastructure repaired. I want economic growth through trade agreements. I want economic prosperity. I want a responsible person to continue Obama's wise foreign policies. 

I honestly believe that Hillary can achieve most of this. I want to see her try. 

 
The incontrovertible evidence that she lied about Benghazi came out just last week!

And, of course, her aides are about to be deposed regarding her private server.

What, me worry?
1. No it didn't. If you watched Hillary's testimony, you already know that is not the case. Initially intelligence sources told the White House that the videotape was not the source of the attack. Then, only a few hours later, they changed their minds. Then a few days later they changed their minds again. 

2. We have no idea who is going to be deposed or why. It's a security review! 

 
1. Liberal my ###. You are a Trump supporters. True liberals support Bernie. 

2. Cult describes Trump supporters, not Hillary supporters. And I can't stand Hillary. 

3. Don't insult Bernie's good name by comparing his legitimate campaign slogan to that of a self-serving xenophobic bigot like Trump.

4. You didn't show any real work. 

5. Because of number 4,  I'll let everyone make their own minds up about whether you are a troll. 
In comparison to Hillary, Trump is easily the liberal choice for those who care about Minorities, Women, The Poor, Unions, and many other groups/issues. See all right here in my post. Detailed Analysis. Also, feel free to give comments on things that don't work and need improvement, I'm open to what you have to say and I'm still ironing some things out.

2. Why? Hillary has more hallmarks of a cult of personalty then Trump does which I explained in this post here. I'd love to hear a detailed counterpoint.

3. Cite your courses on self-serving xenophobic bigotry. Until then, I'll just assume the voices in your head told you to think that.

4. It seems like I do more then you do. Nice no links bub.

5. I actually contribute statistical analysis and references citations to the discussion. Who knew raising the bar of scholarly discussion was a form of trolling?

 
1. No it didn't. If you watched Hillary's testimony, you already know that is not the case. Initially intelligence sources told the White House that the videotape was not the source of the attack. Then, only a few hours later, they changed their minds. Then a few days later they changed their minds again. 

2. We have no idea who is going to be deposed or why. It's a security review! 
On 2. that's the federal FOIA case, the security review and FBI criminal investigation are off limits.

 
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Tim you asked for examples, you got examples. :shrug:

I think to Bernie's credit he does not drag Hillary through the streets. I guess it's unseemly in the public square, and I think she counts on that for the pathos, leave it to the reporters and voters to discuss. I've been occasionally frustrated but I have come to admire his long game on this, the transcripts have been a thing to behold.

 
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Tim you asked for examples, you got examples. :shrug:

I think to Bernie's credit he does not drag Hillary through the streets. I guess it's unseemly in the public square, leave it to the reporters and voters to discuss. I've been occasionally frustrated but I have come to admire his long game on this, the transcripts have been a thing to behold.
I'm not impressed by your examples. Everything you've brought up has been examined at length (sometimes for years) and debunked. As squistion has pointed out numerous times, Hillary has never been charged with anything. 

 
Tim, give it up, you're not going to change Saints or any of the hard core Hillary haters minds.  People who aren't in fantasy land know that this race has been over for awhile now, and more will sober up after tomorrow.  

3 months from now virtually all these folks will be on board supporting Hillary. There will be a couple of clowns who will refuse to get on board, but that type of childishness will be rare.  

Be satisfied with being right tim. 
This is what Hillary supporters are wheeling out? "Hey the race is over guys? Stop trying to play Woodward and Bernstein..." Bananafish gave a terrific detailed breakdown of the major reasons why she's Crooked Hillary. The Bernie supporters here are easily some of the brightest and more well thought out posters of all the campaigns. To think they'll just go Borg into the Hillary machine is an insult to their moral code and intelligence. They deserve a response other then "well it's the 4th quarter which means the game is almost over so I don't feel like running out the defense guys".

Be better than this.

 
In comparison to Hillary, Trump is easily the liberal choice for those who care about Minorities, Women, The Poor, Unions, and many other groups/issues. See all right here in my post. Detailed Analysis. Also, feel free to give comments on things that don't work and need improvement, I'm open to what you have to say and I'm still ironing some things out.

2. Why? Hillary has more hallmarks of a cult of personalty then Trump does which I explained in this post here. I'd love to hear a detailed counterpoint.

3. Cite your courses on self-serving xenophobic bigotry. Until then, I'll just assume the voices in your head told you to think that.

4. It seems like I do more then you do. Nice no links bub.

5. I actually contribute statistical analysis and references citations to the discussion. Who knew raising the bar of scholarly discussion was a form of trolling?
:lmao:

 
No, of course. Note I think that spouses of elected officials have the right to work whenever or however they like.... except if the spouse is getting paid by a company with business before the governmental entity the official is working for.

Obvious example would be a garbage company with a city contract, it would be simple to hire a mayor's wife (or husband) for instance and perhaps give land to their non-profit. The mayor in that situation actually receives that money himself through the community and the non-profit can pay a salary or give other benefits to the spouse. Not hard to figure out where influence would come into play.
But thatr would mean the the spouse of any governor or state senator could not work in the state where they live, because all companies in the state would be regulated by them. Or a mayor's spouse could only work in the next municipality over.

 
But that would mean the the spouse of any governor or state senator could not work in the state where they live, because all companies in the state would be regulated by them. Or a mayor's spouse could only work in the next municipality over.
Not really, that's not necessary. - I think my example was a good one. I think Hillary's examples are really good ones. Hillary was hired at Rose after her husband became Attorney General. Then she was promoted to partner after he became governor. Hillary became a rain maker for the Rose law firm as she and they were hired by companies with large business before the state, three different examples - Madison, WalMart & Tyson. At Madison she also got involved in a real estate venture with the owners, at WalMart she ended up with enough stock to end up on their board (at least $100K, but how much does it take to land on WalMart's board really?), and Tyson she got a magically rare futures tip.  All three skirted regulation really effectively too as it so happens. - How many government regulated clients and how many lucky stock and land deals is your hypothetical spouse getting again?

eta - btw take a look at Teneo's clients while Hillary was Senator and SOS, Bill via his LLC was 'consultant' there, same system, just in reverse with Hillary the government official and Bill the rain maker.

 
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I don't know much about Boards in the US, but I have a friend who is on the board of a large logistical company. AFAIK he owns no shares as a non executive director. He was invited to join by the Chairman of the board whom he knew from his day job (the COB of the logistics company a non executive board member of the company my friend manages).

None of them are married to politicians so not relevant in that sense but at least an example that you do not need to be a share holder or even a large share holder to be on a company, at least in Denmark.

ETA: It sems it is possible also in the US

 no need for shares

 
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I don't know much about Boards in the US, but I have a friend who is on the board of a large logistical company. AFAIK he owns no shares as a non executive director. He was invited to join by the Chairman of the board whom he knew from his day job (the COB of the logistics company a non executive board member of the company my friend manages).

None of them are married to politicians so not relevant in that sense but at least an example that you do not need to be a share holder or even a large share holder to be on a company, at least in Denmark.
Sure, ok, all kinds of companies, but this is Wal-Mart in Arkansas and Hillary was documented to have at least $100,000 stock.

The Clintons also benefited financially from Wal-Mart. Hillary Clinton was paid $18,000 each year she served on the board, plus $1,500 for each meeting she attended. By 1993 she had accumulated at least $100,000 in Wal-Mart stock, according to Bill Clinton's federal financial disclosure that year. The Clintons also flew for free on Wal-Mart corporate planes 14 times in 1990 and 1991 in preparation for Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential bid.

Wal-Mart has little to say about Hillary Clinton's board service, and will not release minutes of the company's board meetings during her tenure.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-10-clinton-walmart_x.htm

She was also paid as their attorney IIRC.

 
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Listen, I'm not saying Hillary is not corrupt. IDK if she is. Could be, could even be likely. But this is not the smoking gun you seem to think it is.
Oh I wouldn't call it that either, it's just pay to play IMO. No I don't think there are envelopes being exchanged for briefcases in the dead of night here. 

Why the billing records went missing well who knows... but that's a different Hillary client.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/05/us/hillary-clinton-s-fingerprints-among-those-found-on-papers.html

 
Yes, be satisfied in winning and perpetuating corrupt politicians and our broken system. It's all about winning afterall. To hell with the consequences. A great message for our youth. Bunch of stupid idealists.
So you don't support the Democratic platform that Hillary is running on?

 
Listen, I'm not saying Hillary is not corrupt. IDK if she is. Could be, could even be likely. But this is not the smoking gun you seem to think it is.
There never is a smoking gun, just insinuations and innuendo.  

Really sad that what started off as a positive, well run campaign focused on the issues has devolved into Sanders supporters assassinating the character of the Democratic nominee.  

 
There never is a smoking gun, just insinuations and innuendo.  

Really sad that what started off as a positive, well run campaign focused on the issues has devolved into Sanders supporters assassinating the character of the Democratic nominee.  
I agree it's a shame these baseless accusations have been flung against a woman who has a shining history of moral integrity. I'm tired of all these attacks being thrown against her for absolutely zero reasons beyond systematic sexism and vengeful conspiracies from the right wing.

 
I agree it's a shame these baseless accusations have been flung against a woman who has a shining history of moral integrity. I'm tired of all these attacks being thrown against her for absolutely zero reasons beyond systematic sexism and vengeful conspiracies from the right wing.
Remember back in the day when Bernie was above character acts and negative ads?  

 
There never is a smoking gun, just insinuations and innuendo.  

Really sad that what started off as a positive, well run campaign focused on the issues has devolved into Sanders supporters assassinating the character of the Democratic nominee.  
You have:

- a nominee who has been fingerprinted by the FBI 

- appeared before a grand jury

- had an indictment prepared against her

- had her email server seized by the FBI (yeah ok that's an actual smoking gun)

- and is currently under investigation by the FBI and is due to be interviewed by them.

But no indictments.

 
You have:

- a nominee who has been fingerprinted by the FBI 

- appeared before a grand jury

- had an indictment prepared against her

- had her email server seized by the FBI (yeah ok that's an actual smoking gun)

- and is currently under investigation by the FBI and is due to be interviewed by them.

But no indictments.
And the FBI has a 94% success rate.

http://www.thecrimereport.org/news/articles/2011-06-10-most-wanted

And I believe in my occasional lurking that we have posters here showing proof that Hillary violated the law. She's got a ticking time bomb inside of her and she'll do anything dirty she can to survive it.

The Hillary campaign is the Walter White of political campaigns.

 
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